for the ppl that has v-tec

Ok when go on a highway...is it bad to drive with the v-tec on all the time?

Well, considering that you have to be at or above 4 or 5 thousand rpm for V-TEC to kick in, I wouldn't recommend wasting the gas.

it's not gonne hurt anything. however, you'll be "running to stand still". it's like when you shift in low rpms. you slow rather than speed up.

here is a good link to help people understand vtec
v-tec controller (http://integra.vtec.net/engine/vcontrol.html)

btw: i believe stock honda sets 4800 rpm as it's stock activation point

In 5th gear VTEC kicks in @ about 160km/h or so (100mph) I think, maybe even later, well I doesn't "kick in" so hard anymore at that speed :). There aren't many location where you can drive 160kmh + 'all the time' and even if you can it woudn't hurt it (my engine even seems to like it :D )

I understand how v-tec works and all. I just wanted to know if its ok to drive it about 5 grand ( thats when my v-tec kicks in) and stay above 5 grand. I don't care about wasting gas i just care about gettin to my gurls house fast!:D ;)

I think that it is reasonable to assume that the more you push a motor the shorter it's life span. Driving it @ 5000RPM as opposed to 4000RPM is likely worse. How much worse?? Who knows?? Just drive it like ya want to and forget about the rest until.............

God knows I beat the living hell out of this thing. Then again it is a winter beater so.....

Boy, am I retarded! I thought V-tech worked completely different than that article said...

for some reason, I always thought that v-tech cams had dual lobe profiles, and that the v-tech solenoid actually shifted the cam over a little bit, causing the valves to be operating on a different cam-lobe profile...

Originally posted by turbosmith
I think that it is reasonable to assume that the more you push a motor the shorter it's life span. Driving it @ 5000RPM as opposed to 4000RPM is likely worse. How much worse?? Who knows?? Just drive it like ya want to and forget about the rest until.............

God knows I beat the living hell out of this thing. Then again it is a winter beater so.....

whoa...don't mean to step on your toes but, your car is made to drive at high rpms. there i a reason why stock engine cut-off is 6800. if you mod your car right and then take out the limit restriction...you could tach out at 9000RPM! if honda didn't have performance in mind, they would have never created the EF9 JDM SiR b16. i would never hold a gear in a ford escort ;)

you don't even really hit the powerband until 4500rpm. try holding say 4th gear (that is a nice safe and not scary gear, hehehe) until 4500-5000 and you'll feel your car almost get a second wind. that's the power band. that is why stock v-tec activates at 4800rpm.

if you don't get enough rpm...oil pressure...fuel flow...yada, yada, yada...it is just like shifting in low rpm. it will get sluggish. so if you want to get to your girls house faster...set the vtec to kick in somewhere between 5000-5200. that is the "sweet spot" ;)

shoooooot, have to hold a gear past 4500 if you want to catch me...muhaahaaha :evillaugh

ami

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi


whoa...don't mean to step on your toes but, your car is made to drive at high rpms. there i a reason why stock engine cut-off is 6800. if you mod your car right and then take out the limit restriction...you could tach out at 9000RPM! if honda didn't have performance in mind, they would have never created the EF9 JDM SiR b16. i would never hold a gear in a ford escort ;)

you don't even really hit the powerband until 4500rpm. try holding say 4th gear (that is a nice safe and not scary gear, hehehe) until 4500-5000 and you'll feel your car almost get a second wind. that's the power band. that is why stock v-tec activates at 4800rpm.

if you don't get enough rpm...oil pressure...fuel flow...yada, yada, yada...it is just like shifting in low rpm. it will get sluggish. so if you want to get to your girls house faster...set the vtec to kick in somewhere between 5000-5200. that is the "sweet spot" ;)

shoooooot, have to hold a gear past 4500 if you want to catch me...muhaahaaha :evillaugh

ami

Well looking at his question "I just wanted to know if its ok to drive it about 5 grand" that has nothing to do with power. We are talking about wear and tear on an engine not acceleration rates at "X" RPM's.

Of course the car makes peak power way later in the RPM range. I believe somewhere around 5900RPM.

Again, the question had nothing to do with power and acceleration rates vs RPM. Hence, my response.

I have a very short geared S1 tranny on my B16 and when I'm doing 130km/h on the highway (what I generally cruize at) my car is reving at about 4900rpm.. It just takes a touch of the gas to hit VTEC at that speed.

Its not ideal, and its not good on gas, but thats just the way my tranny is geared.

Hey my v-tec kicks in at 5 grand. I also have the J1 tranny and i do believe its the longest geared tranny for any b-series v-tec engines? Somebody told me that the v-tec doesn't kick in only when the throttle is fully open? Oh well i guess i'm gonna be goin fast as hell today! Of course i'll becareful i know my limit.:)

what about those who are rocking the B&M RPM activated switch to turn on vtec?

that would be the same regardless of what gear you are in correct?

so maybe if thats a problem i should also have a cutoff switch if i ever cruize above 4k on the highway?

just a little insigt

Originally posted by ci5ic
Boy, am I retarded! I thought V-tech worked completely different than that article said...

for some reason, I always thought that v-tech cams had dual lobe profiles, and that the v-tech solenoid actually shifted the cam over a little bit, causing the valves to be operating on a different cam-lobe profile...

vtech is a phone

vtec is made by honda

VTEC (not v-tec or v-tech, it's an anacronym and as such is all caps :finger: ) will not always engage at high RPM. It depends on your speed, throttle position, oil pressure and engine temp. For this reason I'm replacing my throttle body as the TPS had been tampered with giving me a bad dyno curve where it drops off just before activation, rather than being linear. WOT isn't a requirement, but the throttle has to be a fair way open to engage VTEC on a stock ECU. I can build up slowly on the freeway to over the activation point by nursing the throttle and not have it engage. Stock ECU etc. Put the boot in and it engages if all parameters are correct.

Just my take on it :)

Originally posted by turbosmith
I think that it is reasonable to assume that the more you push a motor the shorter it's life span. Driving it @ 5000RPM as opposed to 4000RPM is likely worse. How much worse??

Factory SiR, 221,000 kilometers on it, not driven gently in general. Regularly lives between 5000 and 8000 rpm. No leaks or burning oil.

Not any worse at all in my experience ;)

Originally posted by Setanta


Factory SiR, 221,000 kilometers on it, not driven gently in general. Regularly lives between 5000 and 8000 rpm. No leaks or burning oil.

Not any worse at all in my experience ;)

Not Yet. But the day it blows or whatever is the day that I will be vindicated.:smoker2:

grab your seats folks...i'm about to agree with my good ol' friend Setanta.

turbosmith that's great, fine, and dandy if you daily drive your car shifting at 3000. but let me clue you into something. honda build high rev engines on PURPOSE. it is no accident stock V-TEC (:silly2:, sorry Setanta that's the way "yanks" say it. if you can't beat it join it?!?!) rpm activation is 4800. it was programmed at 4800. if that isn't a HUGE clue that Honda designed the engine to be daily driven in higher RPM's...then...well...ummm....help me jebus...i don't know :what:

i guess then the EF9 SiR was build for grandma's sunday drive to the grocery store for milk.

and i was gonna keep my mouth shut after i read your response to mine... but then i read your response to setanta. i'll bet anyone his ride makes it past 300,000 miles. i have personally owned 2 honda's i finally sold after the 300+ mark...i still see both of them driving around on the same engine.

have a little faith in your honda's people! :smoker:

ami

Originally posted by turbosmith


Not Yet. But the day it blows or whatever is the day that I will be vindicated.:smoker2:


Nice comeback... NOT :D

Did I mention that my Redline is 8200rpm? It's a performance engine thank you (Ami pointed this out nicely) - it's designed to be driven properly... not by a ... granny :) Look at the torque curve on a dyno sheet and you'll see why it's menat to be driven hard.

Still, I'll pass you a walking-frame to go with your 3000rpm redline... I've hear Niki's top out about there :D

Oh, and it may die, but it's had an above average life for a four pot over here - so that's all I care about. Anything else is cream :)

Well thanks for your guys help even though it kinda got off topic!!:mad: :finger: ;)

okay, in a nutshell. vtec is activated when it reaches a predermined rpm. it stays engaged while you are up in that high rpm.

so really we didn't get off topic...because you did eventually ask the right question:

I just wanted to know if its ok to drive it about 5 grand ( thats when my v-tec kicks in) and stay above 5 grand. I don't care about wasting gas i just care about gettin to my gurls house fast!

YES, you have a high performance engine...even if it's stock. 5000 is nothing when you keep in mind they factory set vtec to kick in there. if it wasn't designed to handle that high rpm then they would have made vtec kick in sooner ;)

i know it seems almost scary to hold your b16 @ 5 grand but, that is because you're used to seeing the USDM d15b2/d16a6 sohc non v-tec. i am a fan of the d series and what can be done to it aftermarket...but, it's no b16 if you like to rev high on a stock engine.

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi



but, it's no b16 if you like to rev high on a stock engine.

Yeh it won't be a b16 if its not taken care of rite. Even if its high performance engine they still can have problems even if its stock. I was told that it would hurt the engine if i kept riding on my v-tec the whole way to Rockford which is an hour drive from my house. YOU SEE WHAT GURLS DO TO A MAN!!!!;)

HAHA some of you guys are classic. So offended and yet so wrong in one respect.

Lady

I know Honda engines like to rev and are built just that way. Mine gets its daily dosage of 6500RPM, don't worry.

My point from the beginning (Note: If you can't understand this well.......) Now the point being: If you drive Car A all the time at 3500RPM and another identical car B at 6000RPM. Expect Car A's engine to go longer. If you can't understand this then sell your car and ride the bus everyday. I am sure you all can understand but some of you are not reading or understanding what I am typing and my point.

Again, I know that Honda engines are pretty darn good and like to Rev and can do it all day but........... the one that has been abused less (asuuming everything else is equal) will go longer. Simple wear and tear engine principals.

Take it easy people :flipa:

Your opinion: Carefactor = 0
:finger:

Engine dies, you rebuild it

Factory SiR still going strong after 12 years says :finger: to what you believe :)

Originally posted by Setanta
Your opinion: Carefactor = 0
:finger:

Engine dies, you rebuild it

Factory SiR still going strong after 12 years says :finger: to what you believe :)

Man your pretty stupid..... Do you not understand my point??? I never said that the engine would not go for 200000 miles or even higher and still run great. LMAO!! It is like I am talking to some illiterate little kids. READ!!!!!!! Honda engines are good and last long. HAHA

Thats what i was tryin to say in my last post. Well i understand what turbosmith is sayin and i do agree with him. My friend has a b16 in his rex and he always beat the shit out of it. Well now he only have 3 cylinders working and yes he could build it up but NO MONEY! YES I would probably beat the shit out of my engine if i was rich or had alot money saved up but i don't . IT took me a long ass time just grab me a b16 and i want to take care of it just so it can last longer with NO PROBLEMS. Yes honda engines do last long but it depends how you take care of it!:)

Originally posted by mellowboy
Thats what i was tryin to say in my last post. Well i understand what turbosmith is sayin and i do agree with him. My friend has a b16 in his rex and he always beat the shit out of it. Well now he only have 3 cylinders working and yes he could build it up but NO MONEY! YES I would probably beat the shit out of my engine if i was rich or had alot money saved up but i don't . IT took me a long ass time just grab me a b16 and i want to take care of it just so it can last longer with NO PROBLEMS. Yes honda engines do last long but it depends how you take care of it!:)

YESSSSSS!!!!!! You see the light my friend.:flash:

TO REITERATE:
The Honda engines will go a long time, no doubt!!

But you drive two of the same engines the same distance the one that is less beaten on (Ceteris paribus) will last longer. THAT IS ALL!!

So drive in the VTEC whatever, whatever..... you car will still go 200K miles but maybe it coulda went 250K miles?

Originally posted by turbosmith


Man your pretty stupid..... Do you not understand my point??? I never said that the engine would not go for 200000 miles or even higher and still run great. LMAO!! It is like I am talking to some illiterate little kids. READ!!!!!!! Honda engines are good and last long. HAHA

Ummm... having owned 8 Hondas in the 18 years I've been driving, not to mention having built engines for track and motorkhana'd them, I guess I know a little bit and am far from stupid. Given my occupation, I doubt I'm illiterate either.

Quite frankly, I consider you to be a bit of a tosser, pretty full of yourself, but without a real clue. Of course, I'd decided to keep that to myself until you came along and started putting others down.

You seem to think I care about how long my engine lasts now. It has outlasted the average lifespan of an engine that is subjected to the extremes we get in Australia. Over here, we drive our cars the way they are designed. The fact that the VTEC engagement takes place at 5000 and Honda sets the redline at 8000 RPM on a B16A. Peak power is not made until 7300. What does that suggest to you? To me it suggests that the power is there to be used, not ignored.

250,000 miles? Who cares - it dies, you rebuild it, end of story. Even someone like you can work out that 200,000 is pretty damn good.

Well, maybe not you.

Originally posted by Setanta


Ummm... having owned 8 Hondas in the 18 years I've been driving, not to mention having built engines for track and motorkhana'd them, I guess I know a little bit and am far from stupid. Given my occupation, I doubt I'm illiterate either.

Quite frankly, I consider you to be a bit of a tosser, pretty full of yourself, but without a real clue. Of course, I'd decided to keep that to myself until you came along and started putting others down.

You seem to think I care about how long my engine lasts now. It has outlasted the average lifespan of an engine that is subjected to the extremes we get in Australia. Over here, we drive our cars the way they are designed. The fact that the VTEC engagement takes place at 5000 and Honda sets the redline at 8000 RPM on a B16A. Peak power is not made until 7300. What does that suggest to you? To me it suggests that the power is there to be used, not ignored.

250,000 miles? Who cares - it dies, you rebuild it, end of story. Even someone like you can work out that 200,000 is pretty damn good.

Well, maybe not you.

I posted a logical fact. Everyone jumped on it because they did not READ. (<--Stress that word) Your not stupid or illiterate you just refused to actually READ my post. I see what you are saying, I figure it is equally easy to see what I am saying.

Maybe you don't care about engine life but a lot of people do. BUT again that wasn't even the topic or the point of my response. Please sift through the BS posted by some and get to the real point. You will see my point as I have seen yours and others points.

The whole probelm with this thread is that it's strayed far from the topic.

Originally posted by turbosmith

I posted a logical fact. Everyone jumped on it because they did not READ. (<--Stress that word) Your not stupid or illiterate you just refused to actually READ my post. I see what you are saying, I figure it is equally easy to see what I am saying.

no dude, YOU need to READ. you keep saying in the long run a high rev b16 will die quicker. we are both telling you that is not true. it was designed to be driven that way. if anything underpowering it makes the engine work twice as hard....now what? :flipa:

Originally posted by turbosmith
The whole probelm with this thread is that it's strayed far from the topic.

again, wrong. the orginal question is "Ok when go on a highway...is it bad to drive with the v-tec on all the time?". which was a beat around the bush question. then mellowboy asked: "I understand how v-tec works and all. I just wanted to know if its ok to drive it about 5 grand ( thats when my v-tec kicks in) and stay above 5 grand." so the debate of driving at high revs is right on track.

Originally posted by setanta
To me it suggests that the power is there to be used, not ignored.
some people just refuse to get it. fine. whatever :rolleyes: the numbers don't lie. "The fact that the VTEC engagement takes place at 5000 and Honda sets the redline at 8000 RPM on a B16A. Peak power is not made until 7300"

...turbosmith, you can go argue it with honda. matter of fact please, go tell them "how dare you build a car with a factory setting of 5000rpm for vtec! you make all these people ware their cars out sooner!" that sounds pretty funny! wonder why?

you keep insisting we're not reading. slow down TURBO and do a little reading yourself. you know what they say...reading is fundamental...

ami

Ladynredsi: Everybody should calm down a bit. Seriously if any honda or ANY CARgets beat on its gonna have problems no doubt! Like i said my friend always beat on his CRX and he is running 3 cylinders. Now i just talked to my other friend with a gsr swap on his 2000 si and he is the worse driver i know. HE NEVER DRIVES NORMAL! He always beat on it no matter what. He tested his compression and its like 135-140 or something like that. When he first got that motor in it was 165 -170 since he beat on it so much look what happen? I will only beat my car in a race not daily! Ppl be like "damn why is that dude driving all retarded?" LOL. NOW i definatly now for a fact that it is NOT good to ride on your v-tec the whole hour drive. I appreciate your guys help. SO thanks!:)

Originally posted by mellowboy
Ladynredsi: Everybody should calm down a bit.

lmao, i'm not upset. like i said, numbers don't lie. people can go argue it with honda.

by the way, your friends compression dropping, well yea....even a honda will suck if you beat on it stop light to stoplight. is this where the communication break down is? higer revs on a consistant base road trip is not bad. but if you drive like a stop light warrior (racing people light to light)...that is a different story. stop n' go is the #1 wear and tear on a car :)

lets recap....roadtrip okay...stoplight warrior not okay :hehe: ;)

LMAO BitchinRedSi

No really you are frickin funny. HAHA. Please tell me where in the post I said that a B16 will die faster. Your dreaming shit up!!:bloated:

You are totally confused but I know what you are thinking.

I said that taken TWO IDENTICAL engines that the one more pushed will die first. What that means is take two B16 if you want or take two B18C5, it doesn't matter what engine. I understand that the B16 was designed for high RPMS and shit. Fine! Drive one around all day at 6000 RPM (designed to do that) and drive the other at 8000RPM see who dies first!!! Prolly need a long time to determine the winner but we both know who is going longer.

Your responses are quite abrasive and you are off on some tangent line way the fuck out!! Wake the Hell up and UNDER-FUCKING-STAND what I am saying.

This is my last reply to the thread where some people like.... say...... YOU can't understand what I am saying. THis Blows my Frickin MinD. HAHA

If you understand finally and realize what I am saying then... THANKS. Because I know exactly what you are saying.:smoker:

ROTFL! i'm abrassive? lets see... you are calling people stupid, bitch, and leaving :flipa: don't go there...name calling is childish...lets see, i left 1 :flipa:

don't hate because you don't understand. you don't like the numbers...go yell at honda....or your anger management counselor...

ami

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Originally posted by turbosmith
LMAO BitchinRedSi

No really you are frickin funny. HAHA. Please tell me where in the post I said that a B16 will die faster. Your dreaming shit up!!:bloated:

You are totally confused but I know what you are thinking.

I said that taken TWO IDENTICAL engines that the one more pushed will die first. What that means is take two B16 if you want or take two B18C5, it doesn't matter what engine. I understand that the B16 was designed for high RPMS and shit. Fine! Drive one around all day at 6000 RPM (designed to do that) and drive the other at 8000RPM see who dies first!!! Prolly need a long time to determine the winner but we both know who is going longer.

Your responses are quite abrasive and you are off on some tangent line way the fuck out!! Wake the Hell up and UNDER-FUCKING-STAND what I am saying.

This is my last reply to the thread where some people like.... say...... YOU can't understand what I am saying. THis Blows my Frickin MinD. HAHA

If you understand finally and realize what I am saying then... THANKS. Because I know exactly what you are saying.:smoker:

turbosmith: Ami is win! I'd take her knowledge over your lameness any time of the week. I guess it's because she's respected on these forums whereas it seems obvious that:

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Feel free to finish with the

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and

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Being abusive towards a lady (and I mean that in the true meaning of the word) who has played a large role in these forums and has always contributed to the site merely shows what a fool you truly are.

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Ohh it is so nice that ONE GUY (who spends too much time on the net looking for family/celebrity/animal pics come to the rescue of the woman. Despite her not having a clue.

I will not make my point again as it is only 2 out of what? thousands of members that can't get it.

I am sure her knowledge about Civics is greater than mine seeing how I just bought mine and it is ONLY A WINTER BEATER/EMERGENCY ride. I would never be caught dead in it otherwise.

Never catch me driving this thing if the primary car was on the road. I should have let y'all know that I am a 5.0 owner, but I woulda got bashed right off the start. Now if y'all wanna talk engine building or anything else watch out! BUT...... I guess being that I own a pushrod dinosaur I have no idea otherwise. BUT... wonder why I am turbosmith?? Can you say turbo5.0??? At 3000RPM (the domestics don't like to REV) I produce more HP than 3-4 of ya's put together. HAHA

BTW, anyone have any timeslips?? No need to post them but don't be lying either! I have seen no times in anyones sig. WHY?

The problem here is that I am talking with a bunch of kids. I see some people's sigs around here "mods: 35% tint" and such other shit. RICERS is what we call ya. A simple point that has eluded only 2 of the members on this board?? See a problem?? Yeah, the only two asses in the room. I think the guy gets it but wants to be in Ami's good books. The girl doesn't know WTF is going on despite her knowledge?

turbosmith OWNZ the girl and her boyfriend Setanta

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Damn - now what am I going to tell my kids now I'm Ami's boyfriend? Damn Ami, what are you going to tell your family?

What a tosser :rolleyes:

Originally posted by turbosmith
Ohh it is so nice that ONE GUY (who spends too much time on the net looking for family/celebrity/animal pics come to the rescue of the woman. Despite her not having a clue.

I will not make my point again as it is only 2 out of what? thousands of members that can't get it.

I am sure her knowledge about Civics is greater than mine seeing how I just bought mine and it is ONLY A WINTER BEATER/EMERGENCY ride. I would never be caught dead in it otherwise.

Never catch me driving this thing if the primary car was on the road. I should have let y'all know that I am a 5.0 owner, but I woulda got bashed right off the start. Now if y'all wanna talk engine building or anything else watch out! BUT...... I guess being that I own a pushrod dinosaur I have no idea otherwise. BUT... wonder why I am turbosmith?? Can you say turbo5.0??? At 3000RPM (the domestics don't like to REV) I produce more HP than 3-4 of ya's put together. HAHA

BTW, anyone have any timeslips?? No need to post them but don't be lying either! I have seen no times in anyones sig. WHY?

The problem here is that I am talking with a bunch of kids. I see some people's sigs around here "mods: 35% tint" and such other shit. RICERS is what we call ya. A simple point that has eluded only 2 of the members on this board?? See a problem?? Yeah, the only two asses in the room. I think the guy gets it but wants to be in Ami's good books. The girl doesn't know WTF is going on despite her knowledge?

turbosmith OWNZ the girl and her boyfriend Setanta

Ok, I am gonna respond to some shit, although I probably shouldnt even dignify you with this.

I think the guy gets it but wants to be in Ami's good books. The girl doesn't know WTF is going on despite her knowledge?

No, people are in ami's good books because she is a hella good mechanic, and knows a lot more than most of us can ever aspire to. Also, her knowledge is not only in hondas. She also has a 68 VW bug (which I havent seen but am told is tight)

I should have let y'all know that I am a 5.0 owner, but I woulda got bashed right off the start.
We would NOT have bashed you right off the start because you are a 5.0 owner, you have a honda, and came here for help and so we have decided to offer it.

BTW, anyone have any timeslips?? No need to post them but don't be lying either! I have seen no times in anyones sig. WHY?
Umm, cause a lot of us havent been to the track, and or we dont feel like putting timeslips in our sigs cause its CHILDISH

I see some people's sigs around here "mods: 35% tint"
I believe that you are refeering to slammed89civic, and if I am not mistaken he hasnt had his car that long, so he is listing what he has so far.

So why dont you take setanta's advice and get the hell outta here with that shit.

Feel free to make fun of my fog lights and black hubcaps :finger: :finger4::finger:

Damn didn't i just say everyone calm down?? I just wanted to know if it will be bad for the v-tec to be on the whole hour drive and it is bad. So i got my answers. If you guys want to prove each other wrong then go search for proof. Don't bitch at each other man. Turbosmith i do agree with you on beating your car but man you're taking this too hard bro. Just go and search just to prove them wrong. Ami do the same gurl!:) Oh Setanta and Melt stop kissing Ami's ass!!;)

Oh Setanta and Melt stop kissing Ami's ass!!

Did you scroll up and READ some of the shit he said?

Turbosmith --
LMAO BitchinRedSi

No really you are frickin funny. HAHA. Please tell me where in the post I said that a B16 will die faster. Your dreaming shit up!!

You are totally confused but I know what you are thinking.

I said that taken TWO IDENTICAL engines that the one more pushed will die first. What that means is take two B16 if you want or take two B18C5, it doesn't matter what engine. I understand that the B16 was designed for high RPMS and shit. Fine! Drive one around all day at 6000 RPM (designed to do that) and drive the other at 8000RPM see who dies first!!! Prolly need a long time to determine the winner but we both know who is going longer.

Your responses are quite abrasive and you are off on some tangent line way the fuck out!! Wake the Hell up and UNDER-FUCKING-STAND what I am saying

Yes but i'm not gonna sweat about it. Thats why i told them to go prove each other wrong.

I can't prove anyone wrong if they can't understand what the principal is. Now, I can't even post without some childish slander coming from some people. HAHA It ain't even near this bad on clubsi!!:eek:

The reason people are pissed off is cause you dissed the founder of the '88 - '91 Civic / CRX, forum.

If it werent for her, a good number of us wouldnt even be here.

And so what if setanta uses pics to illustrate his feelings?

i'm not going to dignify your terettes syndrome and make myself look foolish by calling people names. 2 words... anger...mangement

how many engines have you swapped? how many rebuilds have you done? how many cars have you bought for $300, fixed the mechanical problem, and then sold it for 5x's what you bough it for? i have to prove myself to NOBODY

5.0? the 1% your opinion did matter to me, just dropped to 0%. their heads are made from a styrafoam mold...the exact reason they are KNOWN for cracking. a stock 5.0 runs what 15.8? yawn. my Si's sohc d16a6 ran that.

and her boyfriend Setanta

if you had been here more than 2 DAYS you would know that setanta and i do not see eye to eye on anything. we've had more heated debates than anyone here in the last 2 years. oh, but YOU KNEW THAT

ami

Originally posted by mellowboy
Yes but i'm not gonna sweat about it. Thats why i told them to go prove each other wrong.

i have had a civic 190,000+ miles (i saw every miles driven), accord sold with 305,000 (and he is still dirving it 2 years later...no problems), i have a friend that still has a 500,000 mile accord, and finally i know of someone who runs 10+psi on a 220,000 crx engine with nothing more than a thicker head gasket. i have been there and done that. i KNOW what a honda is all about.

i don't need to prove anything...he won't get it anyways....it very obvious if he's talking smack about his 4th gen and high about the :heheheh: ford

you know what they say...you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

mellowboy, have a little faith in your honda. it was build for performance. if you want, i'll hook you up with some swap shops and mechanics and they will put your mind at ease about vtec and high revs. there is only 1 person who is saying it's bad...and he disrespected his 4th gen for a ford.

My dads friend has a 91EX Accord at 380,000 miles with NO problems. The guy just does routine maintence on schedule and that thing is great.

My moms 91EX Accord is at 130,000 running fine, we bought it at 124,000. My car is currently at 140,000 but cant be a testament cause the guy who had the car before us had to put in a new engine because he forgot to fill his radiator and the car overheated.

That's ok Ami - I'm still trying to get over mellowboy's idea of me "sucking up" to someone :D :D :D

Somehow I don't think that's in my nature - do you? ;)

FYI people, although Ami and I disagree here and there, I have a hell of a lot of respect for her - she hasn't needed to prove herself in the time I've known her on the forums. Geez - I live on the opposite side of the world and know that - unlike some who talk big but have yet to get a clue.

Gotta admit that I was amazed we were both talking B16A though :devil: :apoke:

BTW - I was out at my mechanics yesterday arvo getting the new throttle body on - 30 years as a Honda mechanic in Japan and Australia and he now runs his own business that Honda farm a lot of there work out to and recommnd... he laughed himself stupid at the the thought of not running a VTEC engine on the powerband. ;) His comment was "... so just why did Honda make peak power well after 6000rpm?"

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