i thinking i'm done with my dsm

this is what my car was on sunday
http://www.photo-garage.com/images/jansman/S5300106.JPG
and this is what it looks like now,
http://www.photo-garage.com/images/jansman/S5300124_1.JPG

this the 3rd time my t-belt skipped and this time i bent some valves again. now i know how you feel thor. i think i'm done with it, right now i'm thinking about putting it back to stock, fix it and sell it, but i will think about it, but i just have to get a new car, i've been thinking about the audi a4 1.8t AWD. i believe it only has 150 HP i might be wrong, what car do you guys think i should get, it has to be a 4door car(girl is pregnant) and under 10k. no hondas please i still wanna be your friend(lol).

Wow, I havent seen your car since...before you left for cali and I must say with those rims and that stance it looks sweet. What rims are those? IF you want any help on your dsm you know how to get ahold of me

If you keep skipping timing and bending valves then you must be doing something wrong. I've done many timing belt jobs and got them right on the first time and the car still runs as we speak, 30,000 miles later. Maybe you should look into someone helping you.

maybe he had a bad auto tensioner?

Wow, I havent seen your car since...before you left for cali and I must say with those rims and that stance it looks sweet. What rims are those? IF you want any help on your dsm you know how to get ahold of me


thanks, a lot of people tell me it looks sexy,i dont remember what rims they are. just some cheap pep boys rims, when i left to go to cali i already had those rims but bigger tires and it wasnt lowered yet,

If you keep skipping timing and bending valves then you must be doing something wrong. I've done many timing belt jobs and got them right on the first time and the car still runs as we speak, 30,000 miles later. Maybe you should look into someone helping you


And i think i know i did wrong, i think it's the stupid t-belt, i didnt buy it from mitsu :banghead: , and i also noticed that it had stretched when the is hot. and i got everything new, auto t-belt tensioner,idler pulley and tensioner pulley.So i'll judt get this head fixed and a mitsu t-belt.

Those rims look like motegi's 10 spoke...my car had the same rims. Preety Sweet.

I guess the tires and the stance just set the rims off then..

So then are you keeping it or what?

i dont know, i just get tired of it sometimes, i wanna keep it, i might just keep it in the garage untill find all the info to do the 6 bolt swap. i think it's gonna be on spring or winter, because i want do everything,FMIC ,evo3 16g,dsmlink and all that good stuff.

Yeah, sounds like a possible auto tensioner problem to me. Bending valves sucks huh? So whats the score now?

gthomson 30 right?
Thor 20
longmoco ?

I know a guy from DSMstyle that bent 20 on his currect car and fuckin broke 3 in his old car plus bending more than he can remember. I think its funny how DSMers seem to detroy valves left and right. I really hope that new head is going to help. If it is, my current one is going in the machinist's ass along with my foot. Cant trust anyone with your car guys, do it yourself and make sure the shit is done right!

Keep it. Trial and error. Its all good. You learn from your mistakes. I've gone through a lot of motors since I started working on DSMs 7 years ago. I've toasted well over 100 valves. Blew atleast 10 motors, grenaded a couple trannys, yet I still have 3 DSMs that sit in my garage and still like working on them. Dont let a mishap like bent valves bring you down. If you need help, I have a valve spring compressor, order up some new valves and I'd help you pull the old ones out and put the new ones in. It wont take more than an hour or so. Either that or find a new head and that will work too. But if you need any help, let me know.

So whats the score now?
gthomson 30 right?
I just quit keeping score somewhere after 30, I'm sure it's looming somewhere around 50 though, hopefully it stays there for awhile too. :)


Keep it. Trial and error. Its all good. You learn from your mistakes. I've gone through a lot of motors since I started working on DSMs 7 years ago. I've toasted well over 100 valves. Blew atleast 10 motors, grenaded a couple trannys, yet I still have 3 DSMs that sit in my garage and still like working on them. Dont let a mishap like bent valves bring you down

AMEN BROTHA!
I've got a buddies GS in the shop right now that just got a different tranny and 4 sitting outside waiting to be tinkered with. I'll be installing my 7th complete motor in my RS in a couple weeks, I've gone through about 3 different heads on one block, 3 trannies, I'm on my second motor in my TSI AWD, and my second tranny. I've painted 3 DSMs and done bodywork on probably 5 of them. And I've been doing all of this for about 5 1/2 years now. And no, I don't beat the hell out of things, I just had some really stupid/unlucky mishaps in the first few years that cost me a few motors. Sometimes I feel like I should know everything possible about these damn cars, but I learn more and more every time I tear into something, and I love it.

:werd: I love learning things, its just that when you get the opportunity to learn something about a DSM, its because you or someone else fucked up and it costs money. For example, first time I pulled the head it took me roughly 20 hours. Now, I can have the bitch off in about two and a half if I take my time, a little less than 2 if I am in a hurry. Still takes 5-7 on the install though, thats mostly because I work slowly and delibrately when I am putting it back together. I used to bag all the nuts and bolts that came off it and read the Haynes manual like it was my life force, now I know which bolts are for what because I remember what size they all are and I havent done anything but check the torque specs for cam gears, crank sprocket, head bolts, and turbo/manifold bolts since I tore it down the first time. This forum has helped me out soo much, its not even funny. I can remember being a straight up ricer noob when I first started on imports to hopefully being able to call myself a productive member of the DSM society. Asking a crap ton of questions and not being afraid to get dirty, break shit, and fix shit is how you will learn about these cars.

I memorized all the inportant torque specs, my problem is I always end up with a bunch of what the fuck bolts when I'm done lol

I memorized all the inportant torque specs, my problem is I always end up with a bunch of what the fuck bolts when I'm done lol

I've had a few of those over the years (or a bucketfull actually). Usually 1 or 2 isn't bad, but sometimes I had like 6 or 7. Then you really start to worry what is really going to happen when you start it up.

I've had a few of those over the years (or a bucketfull actually). Usually 1 or 2 isn't bad, but sometimes I had like 6 or 7. Then you really start to worry what is really going to happen when you start it up.
I had a plastic bag full after I did the head...

Well, he does have another money pit on its way (the little slimy baby) He might need to consider the 4Door option..

Holy guys. I dont have any "what the fuck" bolts. I am missing a couple, (missing two of four little 10mm bolts that hold the metal timing belt shield things on, the first machinest that had my head only sent 2 back) but I know what where they went. That and I have a shit ton of exhaust manifold studs. I took my stock ones out and got all/most of the ones from the guy I bought the exhaust manifold from. I didnt use any of them though, I took a page from Garretts book and and running hardened bolts from the hardware store.

EDIT: EVO TIME!!! Makes me want to go impregnate someone, that way I have an excuse to buy a 4 door "family" car!

Holy guys. I dont have any "what the fuck" bolts. I am missing a couple, (missing two of four little 10mm bolts that hold the metal timing belt shield things on, the first machinest that had my head only sent 2 back) but I know what where they went. That and I have a shit ton of exhaust manifold studs. I took my stock ones out and got all/most of the ones from the guy I bought the exhaust manifold from. I didnt use any of them though, I took a page from Garretts book and and running hardened bolts from the hardware store.

EDIT: EVO TIME!!! Makes me want to go impregnate someone, that way I have an excuse to buy a 4 door "family" car!

i lost like 3 on my t-belt cover, and i have about 10 extra bolts(since i got the car)
And yes i've been thinking about the evo, that's only if my uncle or dad wanna help get it (i have no credit)

I took a page from Garretts book

I didn't know I had a book.....:dunno:

I usually don't end up with any WTF bolts anymore, but I used to get a shitload. And then as I would work on my car more and more, I would see all these missing bolts, so I sorta figured out where they all went one day and put them back in. I still have 3 coffee cans full of them though :smokin:

I figure if it runs without them you dont need them lol

Damn right. Think of it this way... Weight Savings! :D

I didn't know I had a book.....:dunno:
A while ago I asked about what to do with the fuckin exhaust manifold studs. You said you usually just used bolts from a hardware store... so I am as well.

Still dont know how people get a bunch of WTF bolts, its kinda funny though. 3 coffee cans full Garrett? :lol: I have a few extra, but they are on purpose. For example, the intake manifold stay and the timing cover. Fuck if I am going to spend that damn much time trying get a fuckin cover on, that bitch stays on by the 4-5 easiest bolt holes to get to.

Last time I had a WTF bolt was when I was 12 or 13 (I’m 22 now) I had one bolt left over after replacing the water pump on my Mom’s station wagon. Haven’t had a WTF bolt since.

Oh how I love WTF bolts... I have a whole box of them and I'm sure I'll find new homes for every one of them someday. :rolleyes: