Engine Questions...89 Wagon

Hello all...I'm somewhat new to these forums and just had a quick question. I am planning on replacing my current motor with a JDM motor of the same type (d15b). I'm currently in the process of buying my first home, but once I get moved in I would like to get the engine swapped out b/c the engine in there now not in the best of shape (piston rings/valve seals/high mileage). And the honda gets better mileage than my bu'. I was curious how long it has taken most of you all here to perform an engine swap. I figured it shouldn't take too long considering its the same engine going in that came out of it. Thanks ahead of time for your 2 cents!

Hello all...I'm somewhat new to these forums and just had a quick question. I am planning on replacing my current motor with a JDM motor of the same type (d15b). I'm currently in the process of buying my first home, but once I get moved in I would like to get the engine swapped out b/c the engine in there now not in the best of shape (piston rings/valve seals/high mileage). And the honda gets better mileage than my bu'. I was curious how long it has taken most of you all here to perform an engine swap. I figured it shouldn't take too long considering its the same engine going in that came out of it. Thanks ahead of time for your 2 cents!


yeah......a d15b isnt the same motor as whats in ur wagon....ur wagon is a single cam 1.5 without mpfi(i beleive*) a jdm d15b is a 1.5 single cam VTEC motor....about 25+more hp then what u got, and u have to re do the wiring harness for mpfi and vtec.....the time depends on how much help u have and how much u know about motor swaps... if u get the right parts maybe a few days..

Ahh Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't aware of that. I guess I need to be a little more careful when I'm engine shopping! Thanks for the info!

I guess this would be the engine to look for correct?

ZC/D16A6

So is your wagon's motor a D15b2 or a D16A6? If its a D15 then your gonna have to rewire it to mpfi if you wanna swap an A6 or ZC. Oh and when considering swapping an engine, these cars are about as easy as it gets, what might get in your way is wiring, which even that isnt too hard if you read about it.

yep all these motors brought up a mpfi yours is dpfi. it means your enigine is programmed for 2 injectors and the ones mentioned are all built for 4 injectrs. if it had d inthe begining of the engine code you could easily put your stock intake maniflod on it and drive like that but you wouldent get anymore power. i will write more later. anymore questions?

Hey Thanks again for all your help guys! I'm trying to find where my Engine Serial number is located so I can figure out what engine is in there now. Thanks!

Hey Thanks again for all your help guys! I'm trying to find where my Engine Serial number is located so I can figure out what engine is in there now. Thanks!

Should be stamped on the engine block right under the distributor and oil fill cap. Just look at you intake, if its a black plastic tuna can intake cover that says dual point, then youve got a D15B2, if its a metal cylinder with ports leading to your head that says multi point, youve got a D16A6.

Should be stamped on the engine block right under the distributor and oil fill cap. Just look at you intake, if its a black plastic tuna can intake cover that says dual point, then youve got a D15B2, if its a metal cylinder with ports leading to your head that says multi point, youve got a D16A6.

Thanks! I'll check it when I get home! After I check what engine I have...the next question will be what motor would you suggest I get? I'm not looking to rice it up...just looking to get it running again so I can take advantage of the gas mileage!!! And If I need to rewire a few wires to gain a few extra HP then I could probably handle it...Thanks guys you rock! :)

ok its like this. if you want it to be simple and for gas milage reasons. one option is to go find the hf motor it came stock in these cars and can be swapped with the same eas as any other motor but you will have 60 hp and really good gas milage. but thats if you really want better than good gas milage. the other opton is to put any other d seeries motor into your car. hear are the fast ones. d16z6, d16y8, d16a1. you can find these motors mostly in civics and the last one is from a 88-89 intagra. you could easily put one of those motors in and get good gains in hp as well as great gas milage. as for the mpfi swap. you will need to do this for the car to run right. you need to run 4 wires to the ecu from injector, 4 wires from the injectors to a resistor box. 2 wires to your distributor. and then swap some wiresat the ecu around no biggy i did it my first try (about a month ago car runs now). let us knoiw do some research on the crx/civic engine swaps and figure out wich one is best for you.

Hmm i dont recommend you swapping a D15B6 HF motor into your wagon. Its too weak and only really belongs in the lightweight HF's. With a wagon your gonna wanna either buy a cheap used D15B2 or D16A6. But if your really only looking for a cheap, reliable, gas-saving ride then stick with the D15 especially if you dont have mpfi already. Dont even waste your time doing the mpfi swap if you have dual point, get a D15B2. If you have a D16A6 in your wagon right now though, then thats a different story. Get back to us on what motor you've got.

dident think of that. and that is true. yeah check the engine code and get back to us. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1056/engine7985vl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I've got one more hour till I get off work and back home.:banghead:

I will check as soon as I get home...In the meantime I've managed to find a 70' Cadillac Fleetwood with a 472 c.i. and t-400 trans for sale here :naughty:
The car is not in the best shape but the engine and tranny caught my eye! Yea off-topic I know but what can I say....I'm bored as hell here at work!!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

And.....it was covered in oil and that's why I could not see it. The motor that is in it now is a D15B2. So I guess I'm going to try and put the same motor back in unless anyone else has any good suggestions!

Yeah look for a used d15B2. Is your tranny good? Im assuming all your intake components work well. Just find a B2 block and head or get a longblock if you want a new intake. You seriously shouldnt pay more than like 100 bucks for a used B2. Find one that someone wants to toss, or check out some junkyards..ignore the ones that charge up the ass. Good luck

Would it be worth it to buy a JDM motor for around 375 bucks? The tranny seems to be ok (its a stick) only thing that has gone wrong with it was the clutch cable breaking...and boy was that fun to fix!:grinno:

Would it be worth it to buy a JDM motor for around 375 bucks? The tranny seems to be ok (its a stick) only thing that has gone wrong with it was the clutch cable breaking...and boy was that fun to fix!:grinno:

Yeah sure you can do that and go down that road. You have to ask yourself if your willing to do the wiring conversion to mpfi and if you can afford the swap and its related components. If you want a JDM motor so your car can be peppier then thats fine, but it would be a lot better going into a lighter model civic. So if you can find a B2 block for dirt cheap, that would be a no questions asked, direct drop in. By "JDM motor" do you mean a single cam ZC? I guess you can drop the extra dimes in and make that swap a summer project, but it would be more time consuming than the B2 and probably not yield as good gas mileage. ..Plus i hear ZC's burn oil.

Hmmmm....If I got one it would be from this site. Which one would be better to go with?

http://www.nippon-motors.com/honda.htm

Depends man... most of these engines are not direct drop in swaps and require lost of modification to work. You should do some searching and googeling about 88-91 civic/ crx engine swaps. I would not recommend you buying a b18c and dropping it into a wagon..but its up to you and how pimp you wanna make your wagon. What are you aims and goals? Are you looking for simplicity, cheapness, and gas mileage? If so then i would still recomend a D15. If not then the choice is up to you..just do some searching. Also i dont know much about nippon motors, give hmotorsonline.com a shot. GL

yep hmotorsonline.com is a great site. got 2 motors from there so far with no problems. it just took i while to ship out. answer back after reading i think that would be a sick sleeper. type r in a wagon. im about to buy a 4g4d. for cheap

Yea I'm pretty much wanting to just swap it out for the "same type motor". I'm not looking to get alot of power out of it...mainly for gas mileage. But it looks like most places that sell JDM motors only sell the D15B. Now I don't mind doing a little extra wiring as long as I have you all to help me:) But I'm not looking for a huge project here...just easy swap of motors. Thanks again for your guys' help!

Yea I'm pretty much wanting to just swap it out for the "same type motor". I'm not looking to get alot of power out of it...mainly for gas mileage. But it looks like most places that sell JDM motors only sell the D15B. Now I don't mind doing a little extra wiring as long as I have you all to help me:) But I'm not looking for a huge project here...just easy swap of motors. Thanks again for your guys' help!


In that case id say either stick with a D15B2 or D16A6 or you can look into newer D series engines...b series ones involve mounts and linkages etc etc.. your gonna have to pay a lot more...you really have to have your mind set on b series if your gonna go that path. But if all your looking for is gas mileage stick with some D series.

The wagon is 4wd yes? now your looking at alot more than just the gnine and wiring, if you plan on keeping the 4wd I think youd need a braket correct? Or is that only for b series trans onto D's? Anyway, a D series definately sounds up your alley.

Mine's not 4wd...and I am having a hard time finding ANY D15B2's out there...will the plain ole D15B work instead? Thanks!

correct me if im wrong but you can just swap the intake manifold from your old motor onto the new one and still have no wiring to do. it should run like that. if just for gas milage do that. its simple about 6 12mm bolts

correct me if im wrong but you can just swap the intake manifold from your old motor onto the new one and still have no wiring to do. it should run like that. if just for gas milage do that. its simple about 6 12mm bolts

Yes I believe someone mentioned that...And I think CRXperiment said it wasn't too hard to run the wiring for it...I may just go this route.

Mine's not 4wd...and I am having a hard time finding ANY D15B2's out there...will the plain ole D15B work instead? Thanks!

Dont get a plain D15B1.. trust me i have one in my standard civic and they suck turtle nuts. The engine only has like 70 hp...you dont want to drop that into your 2400 pound wagon. The D15B2 has like 92 hp so you really dont wanna make that downgrade to a B1. Yeah you can slap a dpfi intake on a D16A6, but why? its like sticking a 2 inch cock in a porn star's cooch. Theres no point. If you wanna run an A6 might as well convert to mpfi.

Dont get a plain D15B1.. trust me i have one in my standard civic and they suck turtle nuts. The engine only has like 70 hp...you dont want to drop that into your 2400 pound wagon. The D15B2 has like 92 hp so you really dont wanna make that downgrade to a B1. Yeah you can slap a dpfi intake on a D16A6, but why? its like sticking a 2 inch cock in a porn star's cooch. Theres no point. If you wanna run an A6 might as well convert to mpfi.

Nice analogies! :grinyes: I guess D16A6 it is. So pretty much all I will have to do is run 4+ extra wires so that the 4 additional fuel injectors get juice? Doesn't sound too difficult....or does it?!?!:iceslolan

EDIT: I just saw that one guy on here that makes the harnesses...I will prolly go that route to save some hassle!

yeah bambam does that. sounds legit. and really really cheap. that would be the easyest way to go. but what i was thinking by the dpfi mani on the a6 was gas milage and it wouldent bring the power down from his old setup. and you could convert if you really wanted that power later. but sounds like you want the power now + good gas milage. this can be acheived for brobly under 500 bucks if you do the swap/pay bambam for the wiring. all in all thats really cheap. good luck

Nice analogies! :grinyes: I guess D16A6 it is. So pretty much all I will have to do is run 4+ extra wires so that the 4 additional fuel injectors get juice? Doesn't sound too difficult....or does it?!?!:iceslolan

EDIT: I just saw that one guy on here that makes the harnesses...I will prolly go that route to save some hassle!

If you want:
http://www.fourthgenhatch.net/mpfi.html

http://effinmotorworks.com/Effin_MPFI_swap.htm

There are more just search...

Just curious....Is the D16A6 the same motor as the ZC??? Or do I need to be sure and specify that I want the D16A6...thanks again!

Just curious....Is the D16A6 the same motor as the ZC??? Or do I need to be sure and specify that I want the D16A6...thanks again!

No, the D16A6 i different, it came out of USDM 88-91 civic/crx si's. The ZC was in Japanese versions. So be sure to specify which one you want.

No, the D16A6 i different, it came out of USDM 88-91 civic/crx si's. The ZC was in Japanese versions. So be sure to specify which one you want.

WORD...I greatly appreciate all your help!!! I'm sure I will have more questions come up once I get moved in into my house and then start planning the engine swap. I'm pretty excited though to see how much pep its gonna gain from the newER motor in it. Until then you all take it easy!:)

No, the D16A6 i different, it came out of USDM 88-91 civic/crx si's. The ZC was in Japanese versions. So be sure to specify which one you want.

Well, physically they are the same motor, except the sohc zc had slightly more agressive cams.

Just get any sohc d15 or d16 motor that's non-vtec. They will all work fine as a replacement motor, just use your intake manifold and distributor. I doubt you are going to find any healthy D15B2's around. You can find a D15B7 which is the SAME exact motor, just newer. Also, a sohc zc, d16a6 or d16y7 would also be a good replacement.

Just curious....Is the D16A6 the same motor as the ZC??? Or do I need to be sure and specify that I want the D16A6...thanks again!

theres a little diffence, the pistons and cam are diffent, maybe 10+hp at the most from a a6 to a sohc zc, they dont burn oil either, but then again it depends on what condition the motor is in, mine runs perfect off of the si computer........if i were u, id just do the wiriing for mpfi and get a sohc zc, more power and its not that hard......do a search for mpfi swap.....

Guys...I found a D15B2 for sale. It has around 120k miles on it (which aint nuthin for these hondas). He said it is missing the tps sensor but other than that it is all there. He is asking 120 dollars for it. Does this seem like a reasonable deal? It would be a very easy swap since its the same engine. Thanks!

Guys...I found a D15B2 for sale. It has around 120k miles on it (which aint nuthin for these hondas). He said it is missing the tps sensor but other than that it is all there. He is asking 120 dollars for it. Does this seem like a reasonable deal? It would be a very easy swap since its the same engine. Thanks!

Yah, as long as it doesn't smoke...i'd get it for a replacement motor. Just swap your throttle body onto it.