one bit, one didn't

I was cruisin around tonight just listenin to some music (soulive for any of you that are familiar) and a gold stang gt pulled out in front of me. it was def a 99+ and looked pretty clean, and it had temp tags on it and was stock from what I could tell. a couple times he swerved into the other lane and then came back,, I couldnt tell if he was doing it on purpose or he just failed driver's ed.. so I coasted up beside the car and there was a kid driving who looked probly 17ish. I looked over and gave it a little bit of gas and revved a little as I drove, and slowed/sped up a few times,, but he refused to do anything. I guess he didnt want to lose so soon after getting his new car :dunno:

so I did a u-turn after a couple miles and headed back home. on the way I saw an acura 3.2 TL pull out behind me and as I was coastin @ ~50 in a 45 he punched it and flew by me so it was obvious he wanted a little fun. there was a light at the bottom of the hill turnin yellow just in time to stop both of us (dont you love when that happens?) and so we did. when the light turned green we both nailed it and I immediately pulled on him. at 50mph he was 7 or 8 cars back, and kept gettin smaller. I shut it down @ 90 and slowed back down to 50 fast. the guy in the TL was still gunnin it and a few secs later did a "ricer flyby" but gave me a thumbs up,, so therefore I guess you wouldn't consider it a flyby in that sense. there was another light up ahead and we talked for a sec.

HIM: "can't beat that v8 american muscle!"
ME: "thanks, your car's pretty quick too (jus tryin to be nice :) )"
HIM: "ahh she's alright"
ME: "(as the light turned green) aight take it easy man"

my turn was a couple streets up and he gave a friendly honk as I turned.

nice race. To be honest I probably would have passed on a kid behind the wheel of a GT with temp tags if he had been swerving....just sounds like a recipe for disaster, probably a good thing he didn't bite. Hell I wont race half my friends, despite the fact that I know I can destroy them, I just don't want them speeding behind me...I know them too well :grinyes: But nice kill on the TL.

Nice kill...I agree with the Acura driver, American muscle is sweet. I used to know this German chic that was here for some kind of intern thing... This girl would always talk trash about American muscle cars, calling the Corvette a cheap American sports car....I made sure that before she went back to Germany that she KNEW what an American muscle was...:lol: :lol: :lol:

This girl would always talk trash about American muscle cars, calling the Corvette a cheap American sports car


:rofl: Apparently you missed the thread where the roof of the new z06 blew off. It's a 10 second car for under 100k, I would call that a cheap American sports car.

didn't you know, no car on this planet can beat cars from duetchland. just listen to the VeeDuB commericals.

all in seriousness, german cars are overly engineered heavy cars. with all the crap they put in, you can get the same performance from a more focused basic car.

also modding them is a bitch. why does a turbo kit for a BMW cost 8-10K? its the same crap as a japanese kit but it cost 3X's as much.

but back to the topic, the kill was expected but the guy in the TL definitly seems very cool about it, and you seem like a nice guy who don't bad mouth your victims after you pwn them also.

Nice kill on the TL, at least he wasn't a dick about it.

didn't you know, no car on this planet can beat cars from duetchland. just listen to the VeeDuB commericals.

all in seriousness, german cars are overly engineered heavy cars. with all the crap they put in, you can get the same performance from a more focused basic car.

also modding them is a bitch. why does a turbo kit for a BMW cost 8-10K? its the same crap as a japanese kit but it cost 3X's as much.

but back to the topic, the kill was expected but the guy in the TL definitly seems very cool about it, and you seem like a nice guy who don't bad mouth your victims after you pwn them also.

wheres cassiesman :uhoh:

maybe he got so angry his head exploded while reading this lol...

wheres cassiesman :uhoh:

maybe he got so angry his head exploded while reading this lol...



I could see that...:swear: :newburn:

oh yeah, i forgot about cassiesman. well i'm sure cassiesman knows damn well what i mean by them overcharging and raping him with mods esp if they're the same damn thing for his car and other cars.

wheres cassiesman :uhoh:

maybe he got so angry his head exploded while reading this lol...


Why would I? Its all personal prefrence. I prefer BMWs. Some people prefer Toyotas. Other's like GMs. Personal taste is just that, taste.

Afterall, your the one who would defend the Mustang even if it was prooven that the car would be the end of the world, would bring forth satan, and demand you give up your first born child in sacrifice.

why does a turbo kit for a BMW cost 8-10K? its the same crap as a japanese kit but it cost 3X's as much

Ummm...

HKS Full Turbo Upgrade for a 94+ Supra: $6250->$8795
"" For an FD: $3950->$6395
AA Turbo kit for an E36 M3: $8700
AA SC kit for E36 M3: $5695

The kits that are really expensive are more than just a turbo and some parts. The $20k kit from DA isn't a turbo, its a fully built motor+turbo. And you can do it all pretty cheap if you just do it yourself. Anyways, if you have the money, who cares how much it costs.

And it isn't all ass expensive. If you look around, you can find the same parts cheaper elsewhere. For example, my CAI only cost $280.

Afterall, your the one who would defend the Mustang even if it was prooven that the car would be the end of the world, would bring forth satan, and demand you give up your first born child in sacrifice.

basically...

but thats exactly why i thought youd defend the bimmer, which you did.

And it isn't all ass expensive. If you look around, you can find the same parts cheaper elsewhere. For example, my CAI only cost $280.


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But i bet it came with nice stickers :grinyes:

No i don't care what type of car you drive, if you pay $200+ for an intake... :disappoin

CM, that isn't a shot at you, I say the same thing 5x a day on here.

i see that some kits you listed for hte toyota supra cost 8K but your forgetting that the supra kit from HKS will get you around 600-700whp. while your bimmer kit won't get you anywhere near that much.

so once again dollar per hp is horrible when your comparing european cars to american or japanese cars. you can find turbo kits for japanese cars for $2500 and thats with a intercooler.

i never realised how expensive it was to tune a european car was until i started reading some euro tuner at work. these guys spent soo much money on wheels paint, body, interior and they only have a intake for a mod. hmmmm thats smart, you just added like 400 lbs of weight with a wide body kit, 19x10 wheels and your only gonna add a intake. hahahah most cars i see in those mags don't break 300whp or barely break it. and if they do break that hp, its becasue they made that stock. the only real exception would be the turbo porsches, those things are just beasts.

but they're also piss hard to work on. i mean to change a timing belt for an audi 1.8T A4 or S4 cost $1200. why would they do that? why would they put the engine so far to the front that you can't even change the belt yourself without taking out the front from radiator support to put the car into service mode? they're just raping you with labor to make their car super expensive and hard to work on. the only excuse is that by putting hte engine so far forward, you gain alittle bit more interior space, but the trade off is no where near worth it.

you go to an audi dealer and buy the exact same replacement part for your VW yet it cost more but its the exact same part. why is that? all in all, if your someone who likes to work on your own car, a european is not the way to go unless you like a challenge and have lots of money.

But i bet it came with nice stickers :grinyes:

No i don't care what type of car you drive, if you pay $200+ for an intake... :disappoin

CM, that isn't a shot at you, I say the same thing 5x a day on here.


$220 for the K&N on the Cobalt. But it goes all the way from the blower, down into the fender well. Still too much money.

i see that some kits you listed for hte toyota supra cost 8K but your forgetting that the supra kit from HKS will get you around 600-700whp. while your bimmer kit won't get you anywhere near that much.
Thats because the S50, S52, and S54 were never meant to be boosted motors. The Supra and FD, only two examples I used, are already boosted, your just upgrading the turbos. With an M3, for example, your getting everything you need to add the turbo to the car.

so once again dollar per hp is horrible when your comparing european cars to american or japanese cars. you can find turbo kits for japanese cars for $2500 and thats with a intercooler.
Most people with euro cars (I'm not one of them, mind you) are willing to pay massive amounts for the kits. I know a number of BMW and Audi owners that have poured tons of money into their cars to get the same results. I'm not gonna get into the money argument however, as its another can of worms. IMHO, moeny is a non issue when it comes to tuning cars. Budget tuning is cute and all, but I find it no more impressive if you spend five thousand to get 500whp or ten+ to get 500whp. To each his own.

these guys spent soo much money on wheels paint, body, interior and they only have a intake for a mod.
I will yield you that. Thats why I don't read eurotuner. Just like import tunner. Guys spend tons of cash on their car, and barely crack out a low 13/high 12

why would they do that? why would they put the engine so far to the front that you can't even change the belt yourself without taking out the front from radiator support to put the car into service mode?
Probably for the same reason Honda or Toyota or Dodge or Ford or GM would make a front wheel drive car and then market it as sporty. Its their choice. And certain people have different ideas when buying a car. Your forgetting that not everyone in the world looks at cars the way you and I, and most other people on this site do. Is it cushy, comfy, and quiet? Yes? Then I'll buy it costs be damned.

you go to an audi dealer and buy the exact same replacement part for your VW yet it cost more but its the exact same part.
Same reason that getting a part for an Infiniti or Lexus costs more than a part for a Nissan or Toyota. Brand marketing. Its the same reason why a box of Cheerios costs more than a box of toasty yum yum circles.

all in all, if your someone who likes to work on your own car, a european is not the way to go unless you like a challenge and have lots of money.
Not really. It all depends on the car you end up getting. I know from seeing them that Audis are hard as hell to work on. But not all euros are that way. Hell, my CAI, I did in the back parking lot of my school, used the tool kit that came with my car to do it, and it took me maybe thirty minutes at most. My room mate, in order to do his Acura, had to take off the front wheel, pull off the bumper, and then get it put on, then reverse the process. It took over an hour.

but thats exactly why i thought youd defend the bimmer, which you did
Not really. I'll be the first person to point out all the faults of my car, and every car I like or want I can point out the faults with.

No i don't care what type of car you drive, if you pay $200+ for an intake
The only intakes I've ever seen for under 200 bucks for any car are the POS SRIs of eBay, and I refuse to buy parts for my car of eBay.

You can get decent sized conical K&Ns for around $70 if you shop online, add another $20 for an adapter. If you want a CAI, piping is pretty cheap, and despite what a few dozen honda fans have told me, I don't think AEM has a scientific edge over Home Depot in that department. Just my .02

I know of a few guys that didn't want to pay the outrageous prices for an AA or similar kit, so they made their own. Cost them about $5,000 or so for the parts/tuning solution. They're making over 450 whp in E36 M3's...stock engine except ARP head bolts and a thicker multi layer head gasket.

For the most part, owners of Bavarian cars will pay the stupid high prices for upgrades, but it's not as if they can't be done up yourself for the competitive price on Japo car kits.


Oh yeah, tuning a BMW is very difficult and expensive. A ton of the price is in the tuning.

You can get decent sized conical K&Ns for around $70 if you shop online, add another $20 for an adapter. If you want a CAI, piping is pretty cheap, and despite what a few dozen honda fans have told me, I don't think AEM has a scientific edge over Home Depot in that department. Just my .02

I prefer to pay for quality and knowledge that the intake was designed by someone who knew what they were doing, and not a crap shoot guess and check by me. That, and my intake is made of carbon fiber. It looks sexy.

I prefer to pay for quality and knowledge that the intake was designed by someone who knew what they were doing, and not a crap shoot guess and check by me. That, and my intake is made of carbon fiber. It looks sexy.


Yeah, home depot piping belongs under the hood of ratty Hondas and Kias, not in a nice Bimmer.

Carbon fiber is the new chrome...and man, this thread is WAY off topic now.

Carbon fiber is the new chrome...and man, this thread is WAY off topic now.

:lol: whats funny is that i had to scroll to the top of the page to see what the title was because i forgot what it was about...

actually something you mentioned earlier about being the first to mention the faults of your car. i actually do the same thing, and i know my car has faults. suspension designed in 1979 being the main one.

:lol: whats funny is that i had to scroll to the top of the page to see what the title was because i forgot what it was about...

actually something you mentioned earlier about being the first to mention the faults of your car. i actually do the same thing, and i know my car has faults. suspension designed in 1979 being the main one.


They shoulda stuck with the Mustang II layout. :lol:

yes you do have your points there CM, not everyone who buys cars will look at it like how we do. we are in fact the minority.

however that HKS kit involves just as much parts as a bimmer kit would becasue your going from a twin to a single. so it would also include the manifold, the downpipe, the fuel, and tuning, the external wastegate the turbo and everything to get you to 700whp for only $5900.

just because the car comes turboed from the factory doesn't mean that a turbo kit is just a turbo.

They shoulda stuck with the Mustang II layout. :lol:
:uhoh:

yum pinto stangs

Yeah, home depot piping belongs under the hood of ratty Hondas and Kias, not in a nice Bimmer.

yeah but does Home Depot piping come with a "Home Depot Racing" sticker? i dont think so. :icon16:

yeah but does Home Depot piping come with a "Home Depot Racing" sticker? i dont think so. :icon16:

I would soooo put one of those on my car...

wow, seriously off topic... but ummm if we could kindly steer this thread back on topic, that'd be great. :thumbsup:

i hate kids in nice, new cars.

i hate kids in nice, new cars.


I hate when kids put rims on their 4-door civics and cut me off every damn day.

i hate kids in nice, new cars.

you dont want to go to my old high school then :banghead: . here's just a few of the cars kids were HANDED by their parents (at 16 or 17):

3000gt vr-4, bmw m3, audi TT (brand new), a handful of wrx STI's (brand new), 350z (brand new), porche boxter (brand new). and about 40% of the parking lot consisted of mustangs. my car is faster than most of those, but I actually paid for my car with all my own money when I was 18 after selling my grand am (which I also paid for). I think there's something to be said for that.

yeah thats how it was at my friends school. Denali's on like 26's etc. I think its stupid. When you are given everything, youre just another helpless weakling IMO.

Heck, I was given a '70 Chevy Nova that didn't run in highschool... am I spoiled? :lol:

i was given my car in highschool... but i did have to drive around 3 clunkers for a year first. and when i say clunkers, i mean clunkers. plus we got a bargain on my car, we werent even at this auction to buy a car at all, a truck was what we meant to get.

l killed a modded one in my 97 stock formula! untill 90mph, he stayed behind me like a couple cars. after 90mph, his head lights started to get further.. 110 l shutdown and he flew by me and looked at me strangley..

nice kill.. what numbers are you putting down?

l killed a modded one in my 97 stock formula! untill 90mph, he stayed behind me like a couple cars. after 90mph, his head lights started to get further.. 110 l shutdown and he flew by me and looked at me strangley..

nice kill.. what numbers are you putting down?

killed a modded TL or GT? either way nice kill especcially if it was modded.

I havnt taken my car to the track yet or had it dyno'd. I want to do some more modding before I do that because as far as LS1 performance goes, right now mine's on the bottom of the barrel

I havnt taken my car to the track yet or had it dyno'd. I want to do some more modding before I do that because as far as LS1 performance goes, right now mine's on the bottom of the barrel

which is way ahead of mine...

racing those kind of guys are cool.....they give props where its deserved..