DSM going bye bye...HONDA TIME!

Well i've finally had it with my Eclipse breaking.

after much deliberation i've decided to buy a 2006 Civic SI. finances have been approved. I'm on the 8-12 week waiting list. I know i know i'm going to the dark side.

I test drove it and fell in love. Its just as quick as my GS-T, and its going to have awsome reliability and safety. It also has enough tuner potential for me. I'm not looking for a 12 sec car. Some bolt ons and good driving and the SI's are doing low 14's. thats fine for me.

I need something that can get me to work, fit people in the back seet, fit grocerys in the trunk, and not break down daily. My eclipse can't do any of this things.

I agree with you. My eclipse is fast and i love it but when it comes to reliability its bad. Honda's SI looks nice and atleast you know you can get to where you want to go. Also MPG is very very good on that car for the horsepower it has. Good luck, and I think you made a good choice.

I don't understand why DSM's have such a bad reliability factor. Mine's been great, but I understand. I know you want a back seat but go drive an S2000, you won't be wanting a back seat ;)

:1: s2000 > SI

Sorry to hear that man. I hope that your car makes it to a good new home, I am sad to hear one of the seixest DSM's I've ever seen has to change owners.

I think you'll be happy with the new Civic. Ive always wanted a GSX but never got the chance to buy one. Oh well.

What makes DSMs unreliable is the driver. If you take car of your car, dont beat the shit out of it, and keep everything maintained it wouldnt break down. Easy as that.

I daily drive my car. It has a GT42r on it, 1600cc injectors, a fuel cell in the back, and doesnt have a speedometer anymore.

I havent had the car leave me stranded anywhere. Starts everyday, uses the 3 gallons of race gas it takes to get me to work and back (1 mile away) :D 35psi is a daily occurance. If you own a DSM you should know that you must take care of it or your car is going to go to shit. Same goes with any other car, but DSMs need more attention.

Good luck with your Honda.

What makes DSMs unreliable is the driver. If you take car of your car, dont beat the shit out of it, and keep everything maintained it wouldnt break down. Easy as that.

I daily drive my car. It has a GT42r on it, 1600cc injectors, a fuel cell in the back, and doesnt have a speedometer anymore.

I havent had the car leave me stranded anywhere. Starts everyday, uses the 3 gallons of race gas it takes to get me to work and back (1 mile away) :D 35psi is a daily occurance. If you own a DSM you should know that you must take care of it or your car is going to go to shit. Same goes with any other car, but DSMs need more attention.

Good luck with your Honda.


3 gallons to drive a mile. Sounds like a waste of money.

What makes DSMs unreliable is the driver.
:iagree:

I've seen plenty of reliable cars become unreliable due to the driver beating the shit out of it. I've also seen some very unreliable cars become reliable cars by the driver not driving it like he stole it every single day of its life.

Good choice on the new SI. Those things look really nice, and probably drive great too. You won't regret it. :cheers:

I would have personally have gone with the new 4G Eclipse Spyder; I know a lot of people don't like it: it's underpowered and heavy, some say it's fugly, blah blah, but it's started to grow on me and I would love to own one. I'd buy it, and mod the shit outta it, and make it look like the Shpyder! But that's just me. :smokin:

As for DSMs as reliable, I'm not sure I completely agree on the "it's all about the driver" stance, even though that does, needless to say, have a significant contribution to the deterioration of the vehicle, and experiences vary :dunno:. Sometimes, cars just break down on you no matter how much care you take: e.g., my spyder. I believe that Mitsu build quality is inferior to most Hondas; everything from interior to parts, though they might be getting better. I base this on a dozen Hondas that I have personally owned, versus a dozen Mitsus that I have also owned; new and old. Then, there are cars within my extended family and circle of friends. There is a very quantifiable difference that I have noticed over the years between Hondas and Mitsus. But, I have always owned Mitsubishis, not for their reliability or build quality, but because I love these cars, and nothing excites me more than driving one, being seen in one, modding one. I think there's nothing else like a DSM or a 3000GT or a VR-4 GSX Galant or an Evo, etc. Mitsu has made some of the most amazing, ball-busting machines at a time when the competition, in their nascency, were timid and afraid to evoke high maintenence projects like AWD and forced induction. :ylsuper::ylsuper::ylsuper:

Would I reccomend a turbo DSM to a first time driver who's still in high school and earns minimum wage at a fast-food joint? No. Would I buy one if I were in the same situation as previously described? Hell yes. For the philosophers in the house, figure out the paradox. :smooch::2cents:

Good luck with the new Civic SI, it's definately a decent car.

Are we going to be seeing a post in the classifieds section soon? lol I know it would get plenty of attention.

My 94 eclipse have over 216k mile, dont give me any problem, just the other day it wont start, cause die battary, oil leak from oil pan, that it, the car run perfect, hell it even run better then my old 97 rs auto ( sold ).

i've never had any problems with my DSM either... and its daily driven... only thing that was kinda bad was that i blew off intercooler pipes before i had a chance to beed them... but other then that... nothing... But its your choice...good luck with it.

So treefrog.. you selling me your car then or what?

So treefrog.. you selling me your car then or what?

Finally wanted 4g63t now huh ? :grinyes: .

I would have personally have gone with the new 4G Eclipse Spyder; I know a lot of people don't like it: it's underpowered and heavy

if it can run a 14.4 in the 1320, its not underpowered to me. heavy yea
but my sig can respond to that :wink:

its not underpowered to me.

Could I expect any less from a VR4 guy? :p

when I read the topic to this post I thought it was a joke :(
Nuff said

man if you look at frogs car he takes care of it, i've seen his pix, if he does beat the fuck outta it then its gunna be no good.... as of now my 0z rally has to go back to the dealer for a tranny rebuild lol

i feel ya, i have not beat my oz lancer at all, and go figure...i am taking the lancer to the dealer... lost second gear... so they rebuild tranny for 0$ and i get a loaner car to beat on lol

What makes DSMs unreliable is the driver. If you take car of your car, dont beat the shit out of it, and keep everything maintained it wouldnt break down. Easy as that.

I daily drive my car. It has a GT42r on it, 1600cc injectors, a fuel cell in the back, and doesnt have a speedometer anymore.

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What are you putting down for power? and how is the idle with the 1600cc's?

The new Si is a nice car, for a Honda lol. I don't really like the styling though... the front just looks weird having almost no hood hah. Aren't they comming out with the Si in sedan format? I think that looks alot nicer.

Personally, I think the Si's are gay. And aftermarket stuff wont hardly do shit, they didnt get 200 hp stock on a NT 4 cylinder for press bending 1.5" exhaust and makign big, clunky air boxes. I would go S2000, they make more power and they are wayyyyy sweeter looking.

also way more expensive and the insurance is way higher and they are a 2 seater. The car I had before the talon was a crx and I hated only having 2 seats.
Edit: if and when I get a new car its going to be a sedan, wether it be an evo, sti, IS300, or whatever.

Personally, I think the Si's are gay. And aftermarket stuff wont hardly do shit, they didnt get 200 hp stock on a NT 4 cylinder for press bending 1.5" exhaust and makign big, clunky air boxes. I would go S2000, they make more power and they are wayyyyy sweeter looking.

aftermarket stuff won't hardly do shit? really? :rofl:

I/H/E = 14.1@98mph

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=11mbvuv

Considering there is 1 CAI, 1 header, and 2 cat backs out so far.... this isn't bad at all. you don't seem to realize this. Most idiots of this forum don't realize i bought a CIVIC SI as a practical car. my DSM is no longer practical for me. An s2000 cost $14k more than my SI. and its anything but practical. wow it runs a 14.2.... look at the video! who cares!


Are we going to be seeing a post in the classifieds section soon? lol I know it would get plenty of attention.

Yes, car is for sale. Also i will part out if i can't get blue book. Car is mechanicly perfect save for the brakes are going to need replaced soon. Factory origanial rotors. However i don't think i'm going to post my car on any forums. I don't need to get into a debate over what its worth or what its not worth. And typicaly no one buys it off a forum anyways.

So treefrog.. you selling me your car then or what?

If you want to drive 10 hours and pay retail blue book you can have it. Wheels, stock parts, maintence records a mile long, the works.

Wow, why so much fire? I was only stating my opinion, not a personal attack, atleast not intended to be. Whatever though dude, its your live and your 20 grand.

Yes, car is for sale. Also i will part out if i can't get blue book. Car is mechanicly perfect save for the brakes are going to need replaced soon. Factory origanial rotors. However i don't think i'm going to post my car on any forums. I don't need to get into a debate over what its worth or what its not worth. And typicaly no one buys it off a forum anyways.
So my question is, how much are you asking for it?

well if he is infact asking the suggested retail for it thats around $10k

If you part it out, I may be interested in the rims. They are very sexy.

Oh, and yes I have been thinking about getting a honda too. However, I want to keep my dsm too. I almost like the new si however, after some thinking if I ever do buy another car I would absolutly go with an s2000.

So what made you decide to get a Civic SI over any other car there is out there? There are plenty of nice cars out there that will be... 1. Cheaper on insurance. 2. Less car payment (or none at all). 3. Have the same reliability.

BTW... How much does a new SI go for? Like to buy one directly off the showroom floor today, what would it cost you? Insurance is definately not going to be cheap either seeing its a brand new car. Especially if you are under 25.



Sorry for the off topic....

What are you putting down for power? and how is the idle with the 1600cc's?

Dyno's are over rated. All they do is break shit and whos to say they dont put my car at 2700lbs so my power is lower. I mean look at Buschurs Evo. They have a dyno sheet of how much power it put down but they rated the car at 3200lbs. We all know the car is gutted to hell and as light as it possibly could be. So when you up the weight of the car, the dyno shits out higher numbers. There is no way that car is 3200lbs.

I show in the neighborhood of 72-75lbs/min of airflow. The turbo is rated at 92lbs/min. I cant wait until I get to that point. The car feels to have the power of a low 10. If I upped the boost a little, added Meth injection and had slicks all around I bet I could hit a 9. I will find out July 9th what it does.

1600's idle fine. No problem at all. DSMLink takes care of everything. -72% Global and a 450 Deadtime. :)

So what made you decide to get a Civic SI over any other car there is out there?


The civic SI is the fastest car at its price point. I want a new car. I did the whole used sports car thing and it didn't work out so far. people tend to beat them up pretty bad. also with new cars i can get better ineterest rates.

"There are plenty of nice cars out there that will be..."
1. 1. Cheaper on insurance.

Wrong. its a civic si. above all its a civic. its the top modle of a compact family car. it has a 5 start crash rating, the top rating in its class. hondas are cheap to insure because of cheap repair cost. The insurance will be about $75 less/month than my "sports car" eclipse. i am 25

2. Less car payment (or none at all).

Wrong Its the fastest car under $20k. it takes the title from the tiburon GT.

3. Have the same reliability.

Wrong The other cars that can compair with the realiabity are the RSX, and Celica. And they are not making these anymore. ONly thing thing left is the Scion TC. So with new cars, a quick sporty import from a top auto making priced at 20k. civic si has little competition. The tc, is a high 15 car compaired to the 15.1 of the SI. Even the S/C puts it still slightly behind the SI.

BTW... How much does a new SI go for? Like to buy one directly off the showroom floor today, what would it cost you? Insurance is definately not going to be cheap either seeing its a brand new car. Especially if you are under 25..

$20k. Insurance IS going to be cheap. read above. it has all those safety features. a cars value means nothign with insurance. if this were the cars your insurace would go down ever year when your car looses value. a shit box still cost the same to get it fixed as if it were new. and it can do just the same about of damange to wothers.

yea im doing the same thing im sick of fixing crap even when its something little it sucks.

i drove the SI but im about positive im getting an srt4 since they stopped makeing them this dealer by me is having a sell and the last 2 they have are going for 18500 on is a white acr and the other a copper looking color but both brand new and fast and sweet

but the SI is a sweet car and you will like it. i even heard they sound like ferrari's when you get high in the rpms. but come around a srt4 with a stage 2 and your going down and i still got reliability and a half decent warranty

It's the fastest car under $20k. it takes the title from the tiburon GT.

Who told you the Tiburon is fast? They need to be shot! I've been selling them 4 years now. They suck... Don't ever use the tiburon and fast in the same sentence. :)

Congratulations on your new car!

That is all.

what about the new gti?

G T I = U G L Y!

I dont think they are bad and you get a good bang for the buck

the GTI is $2k more than the SI, and its the same speed. and rated on the worst 10 for reliability according to consumer reports.

The SI is a complete package. 6-speed, LSD, reliablie, 5 star crash rating, 32 mpg high way. etc etc

The way I look at it is what has more potential. But you seem to have your mind made up so good luck with a honda

do it up, drive by with it after you get it, i'd like to see it lol

bwahaha at this thread now

treefrog saying the tiburon GT used to be the fastest car under 20k?? HAHAHA

but it gets better, he has the nerve to call the people of this forum idiots, but he's the one who couldn't even maintain his car....

BWAHAHAH

And for the record the Si isnt the fastest car for under 20 grand. It base prices at $20,290 remember? :smooch:

SRT4's used to base price about $500 more than the Si and made quite a bit more power. I've heard of people getting 13 second slips on a stock SRT4. Even if it was a high 13 it was still like a third of a second faster than your Si AFTER bolts ons. Sure the SRT is $500 more, but you'd have to drop atleast a grand to get the name brand CAI, header, and exhaust. Even after that, the SRT would beat it. So I think the title for The Fastest Car Barely Over 20 Grand definately goes to the SRT4. Also, never heard of a single reliability issue from any of my 3 friends with them.

A Honduh is a Honduh, whether it's an 89 CRX or an 06 Civic SI. I would probably ride my bike before buying one, but it's your money so do with it what you want.

Actually... The SRT-4 is the fastest car under $20k right now.

You can get a brand new one for less than 19k right now. My friend just bought one from the dealer, an 05' fully loaded with sunroof for 17.9k and it had 15 miles on it from his test drive.

I can't believe you're proud of getting a Honduh after owning a very sexy DSM. I hope you get into an accident with it the first day you get it and total it out, that'll teach you a lesson.

I can't believe you're proud of getting a Honduh after owning a very sexy DSM. I hope you get into an accident with it the first day you get it and total it out, that'll teach you a lesson.

:eek: , so cold !! I mean frozen cold !!

Congrats on the Honda. Have fun, I'm sure it's a fast car.

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