I Need Ga Performance Advice!

ok guys please forgive me, as iam a newbie to this. So if iam in the wrong forum please redirect me. Ok im 17 and currently have a 91 talon tsi fwd..it was alot of fun and still is......tons of jam at any speed. 220kph+ topspeed and its stock. ok anyway now it has no first gear missing marker light screwed up pop up lights.....ect tipical dsm. anyway im getting rid of it and my grampa who is helping me wants me to get somthing like am alero or grand am. But the problem is i want ....no i need speed! So i guess what iam really trying to say is i dont want a sunfire or cavy, but i need some reliability, and jam so does anyone out there no about these cars??? all i know is that the v6 gt and gls are a 3.4 170hp 4spd auto and 0-60 around 7.7-7.9 seconds and a 1/4m around 15.7-16 "witch isnt up to tsi standards" but would it be able to roast some cars.....eg buddies acura 3.0cl v-tech pretty quick but, any performance info,kill stories stuff like that would be greatly apretiated...oh ya is there any way to bypass the governer? 110MPh is kinda lame thanx guys!

Use the search button, also there are plenty of people that have GA's that have a couple of mods and would blow your talon away. You can mod any car some are going to cost more money to get them to the speed and jam that you want like my 2.4L to get it above 200Hp is a PITA, but its fun DIY, Grand Ams are reliable as you treat them, just like any car they all have there problems, possibley look into a newer vehicle G6 or G5 Pursuit there the new generation and have had very few problems for such a new car, also the new Gen's and the Cavys such as the Cobalts are stylish and look better than the Cavy's and are reliable you can get a new base model one for under 13000 CDN thats cheaper than what i bought my 2001 GA used and it was only 2 years old at the time with 15000 Km , it all depends on how much money you want to spend or who wants to spend the money on you, or if they really want you to get a GA or cavy or sunfire, i guess either suck it up or buy it your self. ITS all about the compromise. Hope it helps...

I bet a stock GT will giv that TSI a run for its money!
Talons are Cute, with thier what ... 145-150 hp 4 cyl?

I could run on for Days with my experiances with my GAs and those little ricers :grinyes:
Honda's, Toyota's, Mitsubishi(Eclipse, Spyder, Galant), Stangs, V6 Firechickens :lol2:

One thing, mods for GAs are very expensive at this point in time. And yes the Govnr can be lifted, with a little work.
See the off topic thread, you might see some stories there.......

Good Luck with your new car!

as Xero said, check out the 'Off Topic Thread' (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=395193) and/or the Grand Am SE/GT Performance Thread (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=502706)

Both I am sure will help you find what you need and IF a grand am is what you can put down on the table with some performance parts...

But, because of all the problems that people have .. and every single car is different in its own way... your best bet for some fun & speed would be the latest year Grand AM GT 2 door with not many miles on it....

http://www.gbnperformance.com/Project%20V6Fury.htm
The above link is probly one of the best put together Grand AMs I have ever seen... I wish it was mine :rofl:

I bet a stock GT will giv that TSI a run for its money!
Talons are Cute, with thier what ... 145-150 hp 4 cyl?

I could run on for Days with my experiances with my GAs and those little ricers :grinyes:
Honda's, Toyota's, Mitsubishi(Eclipse, Spyder, Galant), Stangs, V6 Firechickens :lol2:

One thing, mods for GAs are very expensive at this point in time. And yes the Govnr can be lifted, with a little work.
See the off topic thread, you might see some stories there.......

Good Luck with your new car!


Well for one my friend my talon has 195hp 2.0l turbo ans will roast most stock 5.0 stangs from roll and dig. Secondly the 0-60 time of my talon is 6.8 seconds and the last time i checked ga's were around 7.8-8.0 seconds, plus its a 5spd unlike your 4spd auto. And lastly i know of many many ricers that will blow the doors off of most ga's any day "my car included" so get your facts str8 before you start giving me some advice you amateur....

http://www.texasracingscene.com/images/smilies/lol.gif LOL Kid please, you make my eyes tear up....

Ok back to business...
No need for strong remarks, you came to us in this forum?
Please see my previous post in this thread as goes for performace.

p.s. - Xero's GA SE, I think... would whip up on ur 2L http://www.texasracingscene.com/images/smilies/gtfo.gif

Well for one my friend my talon has 195hp 2.0l turbo ans will roast most stock 5.0 stangs from roll and dig. Secondly the 0-60 time of my talon is 6.8 seconds and the last time i checked ga's were around 7.8-8.0 seconds, plus its a 5spd unlike your 4spd auto. And lastly i know of many many ricers that will blow the doors off of most ga's any day "my car included" so get your facts str8 before you start giving me some advice you amateur....

Your the NEWB in here right now asking questions, There are lots of cars that can take GA as well as there are just as many cars that can take your talon, so dont think your all special cause your talon has 195 HP, you might be able to take a car off the line but can you keep in control on the track.?

I knew Talons with Turbo's were around 190hp, see you didnt say it was a turbo:silly:(lets get it straight) .... that doesnt evn Matter!

Sure it might beat a "stock" SE or GT, maybe!!!

But My lowly SE is no where near stock, and it will eat all non turbo/super charged Stangs for a Snack :lol: Probly giv TA's a run for thier money tooo. Sorry Mr Luos :lol:

And 0-60 in 6.8, is slow! especially since its a turbo 5spd, inside a tiny can :smooch: :)

My POS GT is more lik 5.8-6sec on the 0-60. ANd tops out 150+mph , and is mostly stock.
Like to see a Talon fly at those speeds :grinyes: :lol2:

BTW I was an amateur 10 years before you were born, so better trade in the Talon on a good ol :yugosmili

Have a nice Day!

I knew Talons with Turbo's were around 190hp, see you didnt say it was a turbo:silly:(lets get it straight) .... that doesnt evn Matter!

Sure it might beat a "stock" SE or GT, maybe!!!

But My lowly SE is no where near stock, and it will eat all non turbo/super charged Stangs for a Snack :lol: Probly giv TA's a run for thier money tooo. Sorry Mr Luos :lol:

And 0-60 in 6.8, is slow! especially since its a turbo 5spd, inside a tiny can :smooch: :)

My POS GT is more lik 5.8-6sec on the 0-60. ANd tops out 150+mph , and is mostly stock.
Like to see a Talon fly at those speeds :grinyes: :lol2:

BTW I was an amateur 10 years before you were born, so better trade in the Talon on a good ol :yugosmili

Have a nice Day!

Nicely Said...

I also know you hav the 14b turbo, better then the 13g's in the Autos. Engine code 4G63T ???

Had any exhaust manifold cracks yet ??

You also hav Smaller O2 housing.
Small 10.2" front calipers on pre 92 model year cars, Single-piston calipers on pre 92 model year cars.

Weaker 3-bold rear differential,
Pre 91 model year cars came with LSD or ABS, not both.

Only some models came with an EPROM ECU,
And the worst ABS system among DSMs.

So good luck stoping that thing when an Elk or some shit jumps out when you doing 220kph :lol:

:useless:
heres my GT...
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/xeroinfinity/AUTOMOBILES/clusterA.jpg

I also know you hav the 14b turbo, better then the 13g's in the Autos. Engine code 4G63T ???

Had any exhaust manifold cracks yet ??

You also hav Smaller O2 housing.
Small 10.2" front calipers on pre 92 model year cars, Single-piston calipers on pre 92 model year cars.

Weaker 3-bold rear differential,
Pre 91 model year cars came with LSD or ABS, not both.

Only some models came with an EPROM ECU,
And the worst ABS system among DSMs.

So good luck stoping that thing when an Elk or some shit jumps out when you doing 220kph :lol:

:useless:
heres my GT...
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/xeroinfinity/AUTOMOBILES/clusterA.jpg
well let me say to you congrads! your tuned to the balls ga is a little faster than my stock 91tsi....wow thats really impressive:rofl: And to get things sr8, yes i do know my shit the 4g63 is used in many cars including the evo's but they use a 16g turbo, aswell as did you know you can get a jdm cyclone engine from japan with an extra 20 horse? And yes they manifolds on the 1g talons are known to crack, so many replace it with a 2g manifold. And one thing about your pic there is ive taken my car up to 145mph so no biggie there. And there is no way your engine rpm would be that low at that speed! Im only 16 but i pack a punch for my age, but ya im sorry foe bein an AS@H&LE but i just dont like it when people bash sport compacts cuz alot of em are damn fast....evo, srt-4, sti, rx-8, 300zx, s2000, skyline, supra even alot of honda and acura's given they have a b-series or k-series engine.....

Its kinda funny that when I came to check out the forums I would find some air head talking about a "fast" Talon somewhere!!! I just smoked an "AWD Turbo Talon" in 1/4 mile and from a 30 mph roll. This talon had after market intercooler and downtube with full exhaust, after market wastegate, hks super sequential bov and larger injectors. All I had was a 50 shot of NX, dry none the less intake and exhaust on a 2.4L. So, If you like, we can arrange a run someday.

R.I.P.
94 AWD Eagle Talon :naughty:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/214000-214999/214298_141.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/214000-214999/214298_143.jpg:evillol:

Its kinda funny that when I came to check out the forums I would find some air head talking about a "fast" Talon somewhere!!! I just smoked an "AWD Turbo Talon" in 1/4 mile and from a 30 mph roll. This talon had after market intercooler and downtube with full exhaust, after market wastegate, hks super sequential bov and larger injectors. All I had was a 50 shot of NX, dry none the less intake and exhaust on a 2.4L. So, If you like, we can arrange a run someday.

R.I.P.
94 AWD Eagle Talon :naughty:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/214000-214999/214298_141.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/214000-214999/214298_143.jpg:evillol:

ya, oh did i mention that a talon has the second fastest awd 1/4m time in the world. Oh and ya nicely done any loser can use spray. Spray on the street is for....WELL NEVER MIND, THE POINT IM TRYING TO PROVE IS THAT TALONS HAVE WAY MORE POTENTIAL AND YOUR GONNA NEED A LOT OF MODS OR LIKE IN YOUR CASE SPRAY TO TOUCH A MODERATLY MODDED TALON:screwy: I dont know about you but i cant think of many streetable ga's running 11,12's in the 1/4m.....Or Mabe you would like to run with my buddies r32 skyline???? 276hp stoclk goodnight ga turbocharged imports will walk all over ga's on the otherhand i can have respect for gtp's, ta's z28's ect......Oh man and i love reading about your guys kill stories against v6 ta's and z28's lol wow thats is really somthin to be proud of!:rofl:

well let me say to you congrads! your tuned to the balls ga is a little faster than my stock 91tsi....wow thats really impressive And to get things sr8, yes i do know my shit the 4g63 is used in many cars including the evo's but they use a 16g turbo, aswell as did you know you can get a jdm cyclone engine from japan with an extra 20 horse? And yes they manifolds on the 1g talons are known to crack, so many replace it with a 2g manifold. And one thing about your pic there is ive taken my car up to 145mph so no biggie there. And there is no way your engine rpm would be that low at that speed! Im only 16 but i pack a punch for my age, but ya im sorry foe bein an AS@H&LE but i just dont like it when people bash sport compacts cuz alot of em are damn fast....evo, srt-4, sti, rx-8, 300zx, s2000, skyline, supra even alot of honda and acura's given they have a b-series or k-series engine.....
thiers alot of motors you can order up from Japan, that is if you hav the 10k+$ for them.
And FYI that rpm is totally norm when the cars comeing down from speed, since its probly in Neutral at that point :thumbsup:

I'm not knocking imports by no means! Most of them are superior to domestic cars, when it comes to hp and long lasting engine life and mpg.
But all the ricers I see are POS, leaking oil out the tail pipe, out the head. Smoke like a chimney! :shakehead

Ya I'd like to see that Skyline :grinyes:
what year you trying to say IT is??
I'd pay $20-30k for a 99+ Skyline GTR , impossible to get it in to the US. I know that for a Fact!
So maybe Cananada has laxed laws on imports, but I doubt it.

I hav owned a few imports, T Supra and a Mazda with that funky rotory engine, 280ZX Datsun turbo from the 70's(180mph top speed).

And I dont think the AWD Talons are the fastest AWD, better check those stats again :lol: The Mits 3000GT AWD's are mighty fast/quick too.
Hell evn the AWD/AWS Stealth turbos are pretty damn fast/quick!

My GA SE will soon be even faster, once I throw on the Super charger, and change the cam. should put me around 240+hp easily. And then it will run 10-11s in the 1/4.

Good Luck on your performace needs,
and keep it safe on the street. ;)

thiers alot of motors you can order up from Japan, that is if you hav the 10k+$ for them.
And FYI that rpm is totally norm when the cars comeing down from speed, since its probly in Neutral at that point :thumbsup:

I'm not knocking imports by no means! Most of them are superior to domestic cars, when it comes to hp and long lasting engine life and mpg.
But all the ricers I see are POS, leaking oil out the tail pipe, out the head. Smoke like a chimney! :shakehead

Ya I'd like to see that Skyline :grinyes:
what year you trying to say IT is??
I'd pay $20-30k for a 99+ Skyline GTR , impossible to get it in to the US. I know that for a Fact!
So maybe Cananada has laxed laws on imports, but I doubt it.

I hav owned a few imports, T Supra and a Mazda with that funky rotory engine, 280ZX Datsun turbo from the 70's(180mph top speed).

And I dont think the AWD Talons are the fastest AWD, better check those stats again :lol: The Mits 3000GT AWD's are mighty fast/quick too.
Hell evn the AWD/AWS Stealth turbos are pretty damn fast/quick!

My GA SE will soon be even faster, once I throw on the Super charger, and change the cam. should put me around 240+hp easily. And then it will run 10-11s in the 1/4.

Good Luck on your performace needs,
and keep it safe on the street. ;)

well said, but ya its an r32 so they arent overly expensive anywere's between 14-20k here in canada, and no i dont mind ga's for like daily driving and for a well rounded fun car, but it makes me mad cuz i have to deal with so many hicks were i live....oh and their shi& slow trucks! Ah you just cant reason with them, so ya sorry.
:grinyes:

Wow, there is so much bias and all out crap being spewed in this thread, it's funny.


To the original post, I wouldn't rule out a cav or sunfire. Unless you just plain don't like the looks or something, they've got just as much potential. If you get a Cav Z24 or a Sunfire GT, you've got places such as JTuners.com to go to for your performance parts, and you'll be skirting yourself around with plenty of power.

ok guys please forgive me, as iam a newbie to this. So if iam in the wrong forum please redirect me. Ok im 17 and currently have a 91 talon tsi fwd..it was alot of fun and still is......tons of jam at any speed. 220kph+ topspeed and its stock. ok anyway now it has no first gear missing marker light screwed up pop up lights.....ect tipical dsm. anyway im getting rid of it and my grampa who is helping me wants me to get somthing like am alero or grand am. But the problem is i want ....no i need speed! So i guess what iam really trying to say is i dont want a sunfire or cavy, but i need some reliability, and jam so does anyone out there no about these cars??? all i know is that the v6 gt and gls are a 3.4 170hp 4spd auto and 0-60 around 7.7-7.9 seconds and a 1/4m around 15.7-16 "witch isnt up to tsi standards" but would it be able to roast some cars.....eg buddies acura 3.0cl v-tech pretty quick but, any performance info,kill stories stuff like that would be greatly apretiated...oh ya is there any way to bypass the governer? 110MPh is kinda lame thanx guys!

so let me get this right, you got this awesome car thats so fast, but you don't know how to drive it, so you blew 1st gear out of it, trashed the outside, and now your thinking about getting a grand am ... so you come into a grand am forum and start talking $hit about how fast your car is ... :nono: :rofl: :lol: :banghead:

If your so concerned with top speed, buy a 1300 cc crotch rocket, and do the world a favor, ride without a helmet ...

Oh and by the way, how did you get younger as the thread progressed? started out at 17, now your 16 ... must have found the fountain of youth in the same place you got your stats on how fast cars are ....

If your cars that awesome then pick up a wrench, fix it, and drive it ... but don't try to sell that piece to me! If you spent as much time working on cars as you do making up your stats you'd be driving it right now! :grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes:

:rofl: dont make me bring out the "goat". And yes, the GA is my daily driver. and it cracks me up everytime I see the look on their faces when I start pulling them. Grand Am's and not know for being "record breaking cars". Its the look on their faces you get when then cant hang. And as far as money spent on performance upgrades, the talon should have smoked my a$$, he spent well over a grand as to where I spent a mere $200.00. So call it what you like kid. And if you ever like run and want to race something faster than the GA. Well then we can bring out the 06 goat with the HP performance rear mount twin turbo kit. I dont have to say much more. Just remember this when you buy a different car, cuz alot of people forget this. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. And when you see them hicks again let them know that I need a couch moved to my new Apt.!! hahaha:evillol:

LMAO!!!!

You guys get so carried away :lol2:
Oh hell I think I busted a gut :eek2:

I will say the older Z24's with the 3.1, are f***ing quick!
But still no match for the GAs 3.4s.
The thing about GA's is that they were DISCONTINUED. And thiers reasons why, ask any one owning a 99+ how many HUBs and LIMs they replaced. How many times they get stranded by the "security" feature :thumbsup:

These days, My SE is a Parts runner :lol: Inconspicuos , and the fold down back seats are great for the big stuff :)

-- R32s arent shit!
Automotive Forums here has a Skyline GT-R racer!
Some GTR'S (http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-52,GGLD:en&q=Skyline%20GTR&sa=N&tab=wi)

R32's (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-52%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=Skyline+R32)

thiers some Skylines, which one You like :D

BTW- I'm about as far away from "red Neck" as one could get :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
lol, the kid got caught by mommy on the comp. after 5:30
:evillol: :evillol: :evillol: :evillol: :evillol: :evillol:

Lmao!

Listen kid...youre 16 or 17 years old so you dont need a car that goes any faster than 60 mph. Go invest in a Geo Metro

metros, thats GM :rofl:

YA spoolinmonkey,
no one should ever be racing on the streets, me included. Though, I hav driven close(if not more) than 1million miles in the years I've been driving.
When I was 15 I raced 1/4 mile in a 71 Cuda, 10sec car @ 168mph.
I've also raced(not pro) on road coarses and street coarses in go-karts off and on for 10yrs. I'm talking 200-300cc go karts that'll do 100+mph :)

When I did the 150, it was very Brief.
Remember @60mph= 1mile a minute, @ 120=2mls a minute(or 1 ml every 30secs), 150 is about 2.5mls a minute.
If I were to crash at that speed, my car and my self, we would be spread over 1000's of feet, what a mess that would be :grinyes:

And believe me, crashing sux! I know from experiance.
Pins in my legs and arm, how fun.

So keep it safe,
keep it outta da ditch,
and keep your racing ass off the street :evillol:

hey i've seen some fast cars in my life foreign and domestic. It really doesn't matter it all depends on the driver. If you can't drive the high hp car then you need to get out from behind the wheel. HP doesn't mean $h1t it all has do with driving skill. That is the only way a car can beat another. It's all about the skill :evillol: . And that is all I have to say. B-law has a 00 grand prix gtp and will basically stomp a mudd hole in any import and pretty much hang with a 06 mustang gt. I know for a fact because he has a 06 mustang gt. and we ran them. he took on a ram air ta, t supra, evo VIII, sti, tt rx-7, tt 350z, and basically tore them up and it's pretty much stock except the upgrade pulley and the after cooler. he hasn't had it dyno'd yet. but all I have to say is for a 4 door grocery getter it will hag with the best on the road. And it's heavier and it's auto. so don't me that eclipse or a talon is quick stock. the reason why I know is because i had one ( 1996 eagle talon tsi awd) and it wasn't stock either I spent almost $9,500 in and it would hang with a modified tt supra. in order for a rice burner to be fast you have to drop alot bank to make it run. Your to young to understand. your just still a pup so set your a$$ on the porch and let us big dogs have all the fun. I've seen your 16 and 17 year old kids drive, you don't deserve a licens yet, you need to let your mother drive you to were ever you need to go:evillol:

This is a funny thread. Im only 16 and have a 99 grandam gt, which I love but there is not alot of potential mostly because the aftermarket is soo small and the tranny's suck. Plus with grandams it cost an arm and a leg to make fast(atleast v6's). Talons are very quick cars if you know what to do to them. I was actually gonna buy a 1st gen talon tsi awd, but the guy never came through. You can make boost controllers for about $5, and make many other performance parts from home depot lol. Grand ams are more of a streetable, every day drver car, but are very quick for a stock v6. As of now I know of no n-bodies running 11's but alot of that is due to tranny's breaking. Another thing some talons have over grandams is AWD, which Ive seen them pull on crotch rockets off the line. But dont come to a forum talking smack when youre trying to get info, and dont be so hot-headed. Im youre age and I guarantee I act more mature and know more about cars than you. My point is... If you want a cheap, race car that breaks all the time get a talon. If you want a very streetable and comfortable daily driver with some pep and some potential, get a grand am.

And why is everyone talkin shit about young people? Im 16 lol. Thats ok youll all be takin viagra while Im out goin all night haha j/k.

And why is everyone talkin shit about young people? Im 16 lol. Thats ok youll all be takin viagra while Im out goin all night haha j/k.

because You young drivers think you know it all about driving and the rules :22yikes: :lol2:

Go look up the trafic safty rating on a Talon Vs a GA...
The GA should hav a higher side impact and rollover structure rating then the talon. thats why they are quick, they weigh nothing, like this thread :) :bloated: :grinyes:

YA AWD is nice. If you want a real racer, go get a Nova and an LS1 :thumbsup:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/a/t/atl126/ricers1.gif

http://www.ginetx.net/~tsarbin/funny/ricer-max.jpg

http://www.rsxtaci.com/images/owned/bmwowned.jpg

because You young drivers think you know it all about driving and the rules :22yikes: :lol2:

Go look up the trafic safty rating on a Talon Vs a GA...
The GA should hav a higher side impact and rollover structure rating then the talon. thats why they are quick, they weigh nothing, like this thread :) :bloated: :grinyes:

YA AWD is nice. If you want a real racer, go get a Nova and an LS1 :thumbsup:

Yea but Im not the one coming on this forum talking about doing 150mph on an open road. I dont drive stupid at all, because i know the consequences and I know how unsafe it is. And Im def a domestic over impot person, but Im saying that DSM's have potential for 4 bangers, but theres a lot of cars that do. Like I said grand ams are great street cars and are very quick, but have their flaws just like any other car.

llots of cars hav potential, if you hav the money.

And they all hav flaws, you just hav to keep those areas under control / isolated.
i might or might not hav been on a "open road" .... and I wasnt really braggin, but now that you mention it ....:lol::cool: I was only giving an example of what the GA GT is capable of. I could hav been wearing a helment ;) you dont know :dunno: :dupe:

And I was also willing to suffer the consiquences, :cheers:
I did say that I dont recomend going those speeds :grinyes:

damn, I did say Nova :22yikes: :confused:

Hey Gir, nice rockets thier :thumbsup: :cool:
I heard about those WM hub caps :lol:

Yea I didnt really mean you, that was more directed toward the kid who started this thread. Theres nothing wrong with having a lil fun, as long as your not stupid and dont put anyone else in danger.