Recap of European F1 Fleet (EXCLUDING England)

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mini magic

06-08-2006, 02:34 PM

Peloton25

06-08-2006, 03:12 PM

Cool - this should be great. :thumbsup:

Interesting speculation on that being #001. Makes sense with the mirrors in the first two shots, but if you look a little closer the car in the third photo has the standard production mirrors.

#047 and #18R are definitely kept by BMW. They also have a longtail FINA car with an unconfirmed chassis number. Could be #26R as you suggest, but that kind of depends on what chassis is in Connecticut at Highcroft.

Bscher also owns #22R - not sure where the two GTRs are kept.

#13R is in Europe somewhere now - it would not surprise me if Ralf Schumacher purchased it.

Does anyone have any info on this car?

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/7753/mclarenf1grised6oc6ik.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf1grised6oc6ik.jpg)

That is the car that Bernd Pischetsrieder destroyed. Compare it with the aftermath photo and you will see that the plates are a match. I'm still unsure of the chassis number though.

#064 is in Sweden - there are one or two people here who know the owner's name and location. I'm drawing a blank on it at the moment.

That's it for now...

>8^)
ER

mini magic

06-08-2006, 03:34 PM

Thanks for the info! Shame about that F1, it looked nice :(

If only we had info on Schumachers F1

cabrio92

06-08-2006, 04:09 PM

Hello,

great ! Fantastic post. The only drawback is very few accurate infos on Continental Europe F1s :(

I add one :)

#05R kept in France and french owner ; last seen : Circuit du Luc (south France) in 2005

Ciao
Phil

Peloton25

06-08-2006, 04:45 PM

I add one :)

#05R kept in France and french owner ; last seen : Circuit du Luc (south France) in 2005

Ciao
Phil

Ahh yes - how silly of us to exclude that one. :icon16:

>8^)
ER

mini magic

06-08-2006, 04:59 PM

oops. Yeah, dunno how i forgot that one

bucciali

06-08-2006, 05:12 PM

Great initiative! I'm sure this will proof to be a good knowledge repository and a thread that will last for a while, like its Japanese counterpart.

Detail-whining: 11R is indeed for sale at KS Autohandel, however this garage is located in Germany.

Not too sure if I will be able to add info regarding this fleet, but we'll see. I'll do my best ;-)

mini magic

06-08-2006, 05:22 PM

Thanks

McLaren F1 Guy

06-08-2006, 05:33 PM

I had written down that #047 is in Russia.

#071's been destroyed, hasn't it?

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

06-08-2006, 06:37 PM

What about #040? Anything in Monaco?

mini magic

06-08-2006, 07:21 PM

040 is an English car even though it spends most of its time in Europe

I've added a red car that is in Monaco. No pics or chassis # unfortunatley

mini magic

06-08-2006, 07:36 PM

Compare it with the aftermath photo...

I assume you mean the one i just attached? I never saw the unedited version of that pic with the full plate # so i don't know what the full plate was.

Peloton25

06-08-2006, 07:59 PM

I had written down that #047 is in Russia.

The article on #047 that some of those photos come from was reprinted in a Russian magazine and on a Russian website, but it most definitely the BMW Mobile Tradition museum car kept in Germany.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20B/Mobile_Tradition_Museum.jpg

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

06-08-2006, 08:04 PM

I assume you mean the one i just attached? I never saw the unedited version of that pic with the full plate # so i don't know what the full plate was.

Oh - I must have another one then. I didn't have the aftermath photo handy, but now that I went to look I see that you can't compare those two and get a match. I'll clear it up later with the proper images, but the info is correct.

>8^)
ER

mini magic

06-08-2006, 10:01 PM

But its the same car as in the pic i posted?

Peloton25

06-08-2006, 10:12 PM

Even the same parking space. :grinyes:

Spotted somewhere in Monaco during one of the Grand Prix's as I recall.

Edit: Here's the image that shows the full plate - title of the photo confirms 1995 Monaco GP. Car appears identical to the one that was trashed and the last few digits of the plates are a match. Someone from Supercarfrance.com brought this to my attention, but I don't recall whom to give them credit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20B/McLarenF1-1995-MonacoGP.jpg

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

06-09-2006, 03:22 AM

Hello,

quite hard ! I want to point out different things :

1) And the one in Belgium we spoke about one year ago ?

2) For the red one in Monaco, it's crazy ! Nobody sees it ! Some sources say very different things... two said "4 in Monaco" and another one on Supercarfrance (who works at Casino) said "at Monaco no 911 GT1, no CLK-GTR and no McLaren" He means with Monaco plate.

3) always nothing about Hakkinen F1's ?? It's false ?

Chris > Where is announced #075 please ?

Erik > the last pic was taken by Phil75, he shoot many F1 in Europe !

Ciao
Phil

BMW V12

06-09-2006, 10:51 AM

071 - ?

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9218/071chrisdawes8nj3tu.th.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=071chrisdawes8nj3tu.jpg) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7896/mclarennewsletter7un.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

well, the plates on this two pictures look like the ones from germany..

^_^

Jimmyc

06-09-2006, 11:02 AM

Here's a couple of old German articles which confirm Thomas Bschers F1chassis no. and suggest the chassis no. of Bernd P's crashed car was around number 30. (The actual test says one of scarcely 30 built)
I hope I'm not posting old news.

[img=http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5476/102431653637376435647ve.th.jpg] (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=102431653637376435647ve.jpg)

[img=http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7381/102439373965623137646eh.th.jpg] (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=102439373965623137646eh.jpg)

mini magic

06-09-2006, 12:25 PM

F1 monster

06-09-2006, 01:34 PM

I just want to put a rumor to rest here. Chris Dawes NEVER owned 071. I have no idea where that rumor started and can't find anything to prove that he did. If anyone has any proof that he did, then show me. But i'm telling you, you won't find any because he didn't own it.Wait a sec, first of all you are saying you can't or didn't find anything to support this. Then you are saying that no one else ever will either. You cannot leap to that conclusion simply because you haven't found the proof so far.

Not saying you are wrong about his ownership, but your logic certainly is.

If you know the entire chain of custody, that is a different matter. But you haven't indicated that you do. Do you? If so, just say that he didn't ever own the car. You seem to imply that you don't KNOW this, though.

I believe the rumours might have come from Maarten, who has not posted on here in a while.

My information seems to indicate that he did own the car that he crashed. And he only had one. Clearly, therefore, it was not 071.

Peloton25

06-09-2006, 01:37 PM

That point has been made several times now actually.

The info of Dawes association with #071 started with someone on SC.net in like 2003 who claimed that the orange F1 in Driving Ambition was his and that it was him pictured with the car once it was completed. I don't recall who said it anymore, but obviously they were not correct. End of story.

>8^)
ER

Le Man

06-09-2006, 01:48 PM

The gentleman pictured with 071 in driving ambition, is definitely not Chris Dawes. As I have pics of Mr Dawes on video in police custody.

PatrickT82

06-10-2006, 08:11 AM

third pic of 001 and first of 23R are my pics:-)

Anyways: the bMWMuseum in München can be visited?

I must see those 3 macs!!!!!!!!

please can anyone confirm the adress or url? opening times??

PatrickT82

06-10-2006, 08:18 AM

btw are you sure the first is 001?

I saw it in 1995 at a carshow in The Netherlands

bucciali

06-10-2006, 08:23 AM

Hey Patrick,

I think the following will give you enough info:

Go to www.google.com.

Type in the string "BMW museum München".

Hit enter.

PatrickT82

06-10-2006, 08:23 AM

yep sorry allready found out that it is closed until 2007. damnit

Peloton25

06-10-2006, 08:50 AM

btw are you sure the first is 001?

I'm not so sure. Especially since as I mentioned before the car in the third photo wears the standard F1 mirror sourced from the VW Corrado. To me that suggests a later build number.

001 - Switzerland?

Look at the pics below and compare them to the pics of 001 in Driving Ambition. I've not seen another F1 with that black license plate thing on it that is that size (068 had one but it was bigger). I've heard that this car is in Switzerland

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3779/f1niceairportfrance199916iu.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f1niceairportfrance199916iu.jpg) http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7418/f1niceairportfrance199928mv.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f1niceairportfrance199928mv.jpg) http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1290/58832512dtnuktph4iw.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=58832512dtnuktph4iw.jpg)

Also, you have see another F1 wearing that same exact black license plate holder. Allow me to refresh your memory with this image from "Driving Ambition":

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/th_firstandlast_L.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/firstandlast_L.jpg)

You'll recall that the caption for this photo in DA identifies the silver F1 as #002, with the orange one being #075. I have a feeling the car on display at the airport was more than likely #002, and the third photo is just another unknown silver F1 unfortunately.

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

06-10-2006, 08:52 AM

I repost :)

1) And the one in Belgium we spoke about one year ago ?

2) For the red one in Monaco, it's crazy ! Nobody sees it ! Some sources say very different things... two said "4 in Monaco" and another one on Supercarfrance (who works at Casino) said "at Monaco no 911 GT1, no CLK-GTR and no McLaren" He means with Monaco plate.

3) always nothing about Hakkinen F1's ?? It's false ?

Chris > Where is announced #075 please ?

mini magic

06-10-2006, 09:05 AM

Erik, i'm an idiot. I was thinking about 002 all along. Doh. I thought it was 001 pictured in DA

Peloton25

06-10-2006, 09:16 AM

You're not an idiot - we all make mistakes.

Remember that when #002 was built it was Dorchester Grey with a red stripe on the ventline of the door, much like Leno's car looks today. Seems strange to me someone would take a unique F1 and repaint it silver. Oh well - their car, their money.

>8^)
ER

mini magic

06-10-2006, 09:21 AM

Erik, i knew i was right ;) :p "The Bible" DOES identify the silver car as 001

I also read that 002 went to Brunei :(

Peloton25

06-10-2006, 09:44 AM

Erik, i knew i was right ;) :p "The Bible" DOES identify the silver car as 001

I also read that 002 went to Brunei :(

The caption in my copies of "Driving Ambition" read very clearly next to that photo:

"Almost the first and definitely the last: early production car '002' dating from 1993 lined up with the last production customer car '075', summer 1998."

The only production car built in 1993 was chassis #002. Chassis #001 was the third F1 completed and that happened in 1994.

Tag, you're it. :evillol:

>8^)
ER

mini magic

06-10-2006, 10:14 AM

WHOA! Mine says 001! And it says its a 1994 car, not a 1993 car. Scanning now.... :)

Edit: Here it is. I wonder if there are many differences in the books. I think mine would be correct, would it not? I can't see Mclaren having the 2nd road car and then the last next to each other. 001 would make a lot more sense. My other copy of DA is in England so i can't check to see what that one says.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2640/untitled16ms.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Peloton25

06-10-2006, 10:26 AM

No need - my roommate's copy reads '001' as well. His was reprinted in 2000. Weird though - that's the first real discrepancy I think we have found between the original and reprints of DA. :screwy:

Here's a scan from the original printing for reference, and so no one thinks I'm crazy. :lol2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/th_firstandlast_Lcaption.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/firstandlast_Lcaption.jpg)

>8^)
ER

PatrickT82

06-10-2006, 04:14 PM

:screwy: thats weird indeed!

hurstg01

06-10-2006, 05:21 PM

Here's a scan from the original printing for reference, and so no one thinks I'm crazy. :lol2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/th_firstandlast_Lcaption.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/firstandlast_Lcaption.jpg)

>8^)
ER

Mine reads '002' too!

Peloton25

06-10-2006, 06:29 PM

I can't imagine they would make the change to that caption unless something needed updating. If #002 went to Brunei then it's likely still there in it's original (and maybe slightly decaying :uhoh: ) form.

#001 it is.

>8^)
ER

Ak3

06-11-2006, 04:40 PM

I know who owns/location of the swedish F1 (064) to!

Peloton25

06-11-2006, 07:21 PM

I believe we do as well - Claes Wachtmeister - Stockholm, Sweden. Joey Stockholm gave us this info in an old thread.

>8^)
ER

Ak3

06-12-2006, 03:46 AM

I believe we do as well - Claes Wachtmeister - Stockholm, Sweden. Joey Stockholm gave us this info in an old thread.

>8^)
ER

Oke!

cabrio92

06-12-2006, 08:58 AM

075 - Switzerland?

The car below was listed for sale recently, could it be 075?

Eh Chris, can you answer to my precedent question ? Where and when the car was listed ? Thanks.

Phil

jkbon

06-12-2006, 09:39 AM

Cabrio62, check this thread (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=528726&highlight=jkbon)

cabrio92

06-12-2006, 03:22 PM

Hello jkbon,

thank you ! I missed this post. I am not 62 years old too :)

Phil

jkbon

06-14-2006, 02:37 AM

I am not 62 years old too :)
Phil

Désolé de t'avoir rajeuni de 30 ans ... si je comprend bien :p

cabrio92

06-14-2006, 07:48 AM

Arf :)

What do you think about the presence of #020 at Ferrari Days ?

Phil

jkbon

06-14-2006, 08:52 AM

Arf :)

What do you think about the presence of #020 at Ferrari Days ?

Phil

Each time i went there, it was not present :banghead:
I think I will wait unstill sunday (25) to decide if i go or not, to let other poeple to have a chance to see it :lol:

Otherwise I prefer to go to SpaItalia now (this weekend) which is more "open", instead of Ferrrari Days which is more "locked" ;)

PatrickT82

06-14-2006, 09:52 AM

Ferrari Days will have the FXXs racing Must see that!

has 020 ever bene at Spa Italia??

jkbon

06-15-2006, 02:40 AM

has 020 ever bene at Spa Italia??

NO.

cabrio92

06-15-2006, 08:30 AM

Hello,

the timing is quite difficult this WE with Le Mans and Spa Italia ! I hope to see the F1 GTR tomorrow :)
I believe #020 was at Ferrari Days in 2002,03,04 so, will he come back ??

JKbon > You have a mission :) if the car is there on friday, please post ;)

Phil

PatrickT82

06-15-2006, 10:46 AM

yes JKbon and please try to find out if its there on saturday as well!!;-)

Le Man

06-21-2006, 05:17 PM

15R...Location...Paris, France...Owner Lindsay Owen-Jones,...Trust me.

Peloton25

06-21-2006, 05:35 PM

15R...Location...Paris, France...Owner Lindsay Owen-Jones,...Trust me.

From Chris' post in the UK fleet and several others - I think this is more than likely #15R:

Which GTR was seen in Monaco?

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8252/mclarenf1gtrmonaco220502byedva.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf1gtrmonaco220502byedva.jpg)

>8^)
ER

mini magic

06-21-2006, 05:36 PM

My post? What about it? Those are UK plates, are you saying Le Man is wrong?

Peloton25

06-21-2006, 05:45 PM

No - I'm saying that LOJ's GTR wears UK plates even if it does live in France.

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

06-21-2006, 06:30 PM

Hello,

15R...Location...Paris, France...Owner Lindsay Owen-Jones,...Trust me.

Awesome !!!!!! In the same time, it is in contradiction with David Clark when I spoke to him...
So, can you say more ? I want to believe and know more about McLaren in France :)

Phil

Le Man

06-22-2006, 07:42 AM

Hello,

Awesome !!!!!! In the same time, it is in contradiction with David Clark when I spoke to him...
So, can you say more ? I want to believe and know more about McLaren in France :)

Phil

Hi Phil,

The information passed on to me is correct, not unless anybody knows different. All I can add is that Lindsay Owen-Jones kept 15R after finishing 5th at LeMans in 96 and it is at his house in Paris.

Joey Stockholm

06-22-2006, 06:00 PM

011R that is listed at KS was in Swedish traffic until 050801, owned by mr Bryant-Meisner, after that im not sure if its sold but translated my info is "not in traffic" and not "no longer in record". All according to Swedish Goverment.
The Fina-car that you have listed the location as "Sweden" is also a Bryant-Mesiner owned car but I think you already knew that.

cabrio92

06-23-2006, 09:41 AM

Hello,

075 - Switzerland?

The car below was listed for sale recently, could it be 075?

we are sure it is #075 ? So, you can update #075 was sold.

Phil

mini magic

06-23-2006, 09:59 AM

How do we know it was sold?

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