build a honda beat a vette

ok me and my friends were talking one day about just hondas and my friend brought up carvettes. i personaly hate vettes for no reason i just do. but we got to talking about how fast they were. he said they were i think 12 sec cars or somwhere around there. i said a honda could take that anyday. he said ya right. i said sure how much do vettes cost. (the zo6) he said i think around 56,000. i siad ok. you could probly build a honda for half the price than that and make it faster. so basicly what i want to know is can you keep it street legal and take it. i think you could but am not quite sure. so if anyone knows of any setups that could take a vette in any honda/acura or videos. let me know im gonna show my friends this post after a while of building it up. and sure you might get more girls from the sporty looks of that car but wait till the race is over. isnt that the main reason for guys to buy that peice of crap car.

C6 Z06 is an 11 second car stock. With minor mods and good driver can dip into 10s. Even if somebody did take a Honda like a CRX with a fully built K20 turbo with spray, suspension and slicks, you would still be hard pressed to give that Z06 with some minor bolt ons (only seems fair right?) a good match. Just think of what a built Z06 with a supercharger would do to that fully built Honda...

What I think he is asking is if it could beat a stock vette, and I would say yes, I cant remember right now where it is but a guy put his list of parts and prices, and his dyno run up, it was a b16SiR 2 motor, fully built no turbo, but sprayed, It had over 300 hp and like 222 tq while on the spray, lots of mods but still cheaper than that shitty chevy

its been done...
99 civic si stock b16 on 10psi and an lsd tyanny... it beat corvetts...but blew up
in about 6 months

I still don't think it would touch a C6 Z06... sorry.

well i mean. can you buy and build a crx for the honda part and made it an 10 sec car. could this be done for the price of the vette. i say it could and it could be alot cheaper. but sure you wont get the looks people say. but i myself would grabe a vette up right away. just to sell it and buy me a 92-95 hatch and build it though. sorry to you vette lovers but i hate them with a passion

quarter mile doesnt really mean shit, you could spend 10 grand, run the same in the quarter, while he can drive away from the track, corner at 1g, and top out at 180+mph.... all while your loading your track queen back on the trailer.

quarter mile doesnt really mean shit, you could spend 10 grand, run the same in the quarter, while he can drive away from the track, corner at 1g, and top out at 180+mph.... all while your loading your track queen back on the trailer.

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To get a honda into the high 11's, and be reliable and street legal at the same time, you're going to be dumping alot of money into it, almost the price of the vette im sure if not more. And even if you do beat it, the vette's gonna hang stock, with full interior, power steering, a/c, power windows, etc. And if its got some mods.....have fun. Who's gonna be laughing then? I love hondas to the end, but gotta give it up to the muscle cars.

One more thing.

I was witness to a all motor built b18c5 93 hatch with gutted interior vs. a stock late 80's early 90's automatic vette, yes the really ugly ones. The vette won 3 out of 3.

The fox body I believe it is..I was under the impression that a stock crx could take one of those things..?

Fox body? WTF are you on? Thats a mustang, which will also walk a honda.

and no a stock 16 sec crx si is not going to take one.

ok i am going to start off by saying i love Hondas and Chevys with a passion but when it comes down to this issue even if you hate vettes they will kick ass every tiime. yeah a new vette does 60mph in 3.8 seconds. like ur saying and i know what you getting at is take a old stock civic and throw 60 k in it and it will be competitive. totally agree the honda will kick a new vettes (z06) ass in the quarter. but how bout take the same era vette (late 80's) and throwing 60 k in it. you wil easily be pushing over 1000hp, and it is rear wheel drive and wont have to worry about torq steer. yeah this argument can go on forever but look at it this given the same amount of money a v8 will always beat a 4 cylinder. i know a lot of you Honda guys are :banghead: saying honda honda honda forever but for once come to grips with common sense:screwy:

Whoa damn..brain disconnected...mustang, what the hell..I hate ford too.

ford sucks.
and that is all i have to say about that

fox body mustangs are the shit. i'd probably trade my car for one lol or maybe not.

yes fox chassis is my fav..but it would definately have to be a notchback..and 7-800hp is easily achieved with stock internals with the sexy twin turbo setups they offer for like 5-$6,000!!! i will own a fox again and it will be a 87-93 metallic blue notch with chrome ponies!!! hrmm i wouldnt mind a 87 with t-tops either

dammit people. hondas vettes when did mustangs get into this. i hate those thing. i dont know why. probley cuz they can beat me most the time

There is a guy that lives near me with a 92 yellow hatch on 17's he has a b20 vtec setup with a custom turbo kit, the entire car with mods costed him a lil under 10k and he smoked 2 vetts in one night...

yeah ok. we are talking new vettes by the way.

owning a honda...id never have a new vette on my list..its a real sports car. only would u see topics like this on AF:shakehead

only would u see topics like this on AF:shakehead

you know it, dustin. we need to go out for beer sometime.

yeah ok. we are talking new vettes by the way.


2001 and 2004 are pretty new..

yeah okay a 2001 and 2004. yeah they were probably coupes with ls1's in them that rate at 350 hp. they probably wheren't even z06's with the ls6 that rate 400 ponies. we are talking about a new 2006 z06 with ls7 talking 500 horse. it isn't a grocery getter. you have to understand that the new zo6 can compete with SOME of the fastest production cars in the world. dont talk to me that a civic (meant for commuting) can beat a new z06. dont get me wrong i think honda has it's shit together and i would back you guys and honda up on just about anything... but not this.

look i more then respect the new corvette, i mean its weight to power ratio is like 6lbs per hp...thats fuckin insane and it out performs ford's unbelievable "GT" in some performance categories...but seriously dollar for dollar it wouldnt be hard to get a honda to out perform a vette in every aspect...thats why most newbs to the import scene alone run to honda.. and cause its some kind of fad! & a hell of a bang for its buck! but its true..there is no comparing a honda to a well engineered american sports car like a new z06!!!!!!

i guess i have to get over this. i hate those cars. dammit i wish. oh well thanks everyone for the info. and i just got my mpfi wired. i had to fix some mistakes and my ecu is throwing code 10 i believe. it blinks once for a long time so im pretty sure that means ten. right?

Yup, thats a ten..

I love vettes. A couple years ago I saw a turbo 4th gen hatch run 11 someting seconds against a vette and win at street night at New England Dragway so it was street legal. It was pretty cool to see a hatch smoke a vette like that. The vette ran low 12s i think.

Ya well reading some your guys post and yes a c6 zo6 is plain out nasty road in one 2 weeks ago and you wont even come close to touching it cause it does 90 in second bear before having to shift but one my friends works at chevy and said if you get a corvette or camaro 2006 or newer get a automatic cause its 3 tenths quicker in the quater mile i know doesnt sound much but it is when it comes down to a close race that much will help by far.

Ya well reading some your guys post and yes a c6 zo6 is plain out nasty road in one 2 weeks ago and you wont even come close to touching it cause it does 90 in second bear before having to shift but one my friends works at chevy and said if you get a corvette or camaro 2006 or newer get a automatic cause its 3 tenths quicker in the quater mile i know doesnt sound much but it is when it comes down to a close race that much will help by far.

okay so what dealership does your buddy work at that has 06' camaros cus i would sure like the hook up. (THEY QUIT MAKING THEM IN 02') and when would a automatic from factory (non stall) be faster than a manual? NEVER because it takes more horsepower to turn a auto tranny versus a manual. i seriously think we should end this thread because no one knows what they are talking about any more.

it takes alot of work to get to the 11s with the b series. thats all that need be said.

Hey, i dont mean to throw this topic any ways, but while your on kinda of the subject of crx's stock speed... What can a stock crx beat?

the si might take some cars but the other modles cant hang with pretty much anything but geo metros.

it aint gonna beat too much..maybe like old pickup trucks and milk delivery trucks if the guys doesnt know how to shift right

Actually, the crx has a faster 1/4 than alot of cars, most of them are not coupes and such but still..its not really bad.

high 15's, low 16's arent fast. most cars can beat stock si's.

Ok... Well could you tell me what a crx si with a turbo, running on... about 6 to 7 psi could stay up with or take. Or if easy way to answer that, what kinda time would i be looking at in the 1/8? ...maybe i should just start a new post.. damn i got so many questions...

okay so what dealership does your buddy work at that has 06' camaros cus i would sure like the hook up. (THEY QUIT MAKING THEM IN 02') and when would a automatic from factory (non stall) be faster than a manual? NEVER because it takes more horsepower to turn a auto tranny versus a manual. i seriously think we should end this thread because no one knows what they are talking about any more.

omg I think you should do some serious research before you smart off...new camaro be out next year, they brought them back do to ford and mopar brought back the old looks on there new mustang and charger...oh and research the tranny setup a c6 z06 auto will take on a manual by 3tenths anyday...I do my research before I post so i dont look like you and ruine my reputation here

omg I think you should do some serious research before you smart off...new camaro be out next year, they brought them back do to ford and mopar brought back the old looks on there new mustang and charger...oh and research the tranny setup a c6 z06 auto will take on a manual by 3tenths anyday...I do my research before I post so i dont look like you and ruine my reputation here

yeah maybe you should do some more research because the new camaro isn't due out until 09'. The new concept camaro made its first appearance at the detroit auto show early 06'. Do you really think they would have a concept in production and hit the show room floors in less than a year. And you said the 06' camaro in your original post.THERE IS NO 06' CAMARO. Here is a site proving it comes out in 09'(http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0601_chevrolet_camaro_concept/) And the Z06 DOESN'T COME WITH AN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. It isn't even an opition. Here look it up. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/
Now look who doesn't do their research and ruins their reputation. So why dont you take back all the bs you said and quit ruining my rep.:angryfire

"omg" i think u queers are really getting some (HARD) satisfaction outta this shit lol im just kidding:grinno: in the yr 09 the damn camaro will prolly be a $50,000 car. and i said prolly..meaning im not sure..i havent done my research.

At work but here you go smart camaro guy and if I recall you said camaros are no longer gonna be made but now your sdaying there coming out in 09...get facts straight cause I know that 2002 last made with the special edition silver stripe and badges and rims.....


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I beat a stock corvette (non z06), newer body style, the first day I put my lsvtec on the road. Total cost of the build was 2800, which included some machine work, a COMPLETE rebuild, pistons, cams, valvetrain, bolt ons, and engine management. I built the motor myself and did the install. Price of the car was $400 and price for BFG's and traction bars was another $700. Total cost for a 12.5 second, reliable, daily driver is $3900. No turbo, no nitrous, no SC, all motor, full completely stock interior. I'm just getting started. I'll be scooting 11's all motor, by this time next year.

It's definitely doable. For another 2k or so, i'll be hitting 11's, reliably, which will make it an 11 second car for 6k. Don't forget though, I do all my own work and building, as well as tuning. So, I save alot of money in that department. It would've probably cost me nearly 5-6k for the build and parts and tuning, if someone else was doing the work.

it takes alot of work to get to the 11s with the b series. thats all that need be said.

not all motor. you can run 11's for under 10k....probably high 10's. Tbone on honda tech run's 11.1's on an all motor bseries setup in a full bodied crx. It's 10's easy with some weight reduction.
It'd take nearly 3 times as much HP in a honda to run the same times w/ turbo.

Exactly, it is doable..reliably, while keeping your sanity as well, and for some more money you could make a honda that could hang with the corvette around a few corners as well, granted..it is FWD, and im not saying youll be doing 150 with it, but you can make a fully racable honda for less than 20,000, far below the corvette. But your not doing it in leather interior, with the AC blowin and one hand on the wheel lol.

[QUOTE=YZ125rider21]At work but here you go smart camaro guy and if I recall you said camaros are no longer gonna be made but now your sdaying there coming out in 09...get facts straight cause I know that 2002 last made with the special edition silver stripe and badges and rims.....


you are even bad at recalling stuff. i didn't say they were no longer going to make them, i said they QUIT MAKING them in 02'. why don't you seriously shut up because now you are just trying to come up with lame shit to make your self not look so bad. and yeah 2002 was the last year but it was not limited to special edition. Not sure exactly though what you are trying to say. they may have had silver stripe and badges etc because it was the 35th anniversory edition. Lets just drop all this because i am getting pissed off at a fucking computer screen.

[QUOTE=YZ125rider21]At work but here you go smart camaro guy and if I recall you said camaros are no longer gonna be made but now your sdaying there coming out in 09...get facts straight cause I know that 2002 last made with the special edition silver stripe and badges and rims.....


you are even bad at recalling stuff. i didn't say they were no longer going to make them, i said they QUIT MAKING them in 02'. why don't you seriously shut up because now you are just trying to come up with lame shit to make your self not look so bad. and yeah 2002 was the last year but it was not limited to special edition. Not sure exactly though what you are trying to say. they may have had silver stripe and badges etc because it was the 35th anniversory edition. Lets just drop all this because i am getting pissed off at a fucking computer screen.


LOL...never mention about that automatic 6 speed tranny did you...was that a suprise to a big chevy fan stuck in a honda forum lol...member C comes before H here so go back to that forum and read up and come try and suprise us with something diff

all i wanted out of this post was to see if anyone had a good setup or if it was possible. even tho i had a pretty good guess it would happen for way less than a corvette. and for bambam i cant wait to see your car hit 11's that would be sick. did you built your head at all? and were they high/low compression pistons. help a newb out. i assume they were high since you are going all motor. let me know. you were the most help from all this

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LOL...never mention about that automatic 6 speed tranny did you...was that a suprise to a big chevy fan stuck in a honda forum lol...member C comes before H here so go back to that forum and read up and come try and suprise us with something diff

i didn't mention the auto 6 speed because it is still techinally an auto, and we are talking about z06 and they dont have autos. i guess i dont follow you on the whole c before h thing. seriously quite trying to make up stupid shit that makes me look like an ass. all this start because i had to correct you stupid ass. by the way y are u stuck in a honda forum with a dirt bike name. maybe you're like me and like hondas regardless of your name. (i signed up two years ago before i became a honda guy, course i should go change my name so you will quite trying to make up wierd and stupid shit just to make fun.)

seriously blkcamaro why does his name matter?? this shit talking on here is getting really old and gets nobody anywhere so stop contributing..there are auto z06's out there i drove one the other day. so what are you talkin about?

one of you has to be the better guy and quit now. just to get this thread out of here. its cool i made my first thread that got people talking but not that they are arguing over some bull crap stuff. who cares really. but thanks to anyone who helped

Someone helped?

i dont really remember. someone had to of helped a little.

Hmmm even after what bambam said, im not having it. even if you do beat a vette off the line, its going to get you in the end, since they do 160+.

buddy of mine has a fully built gsr motor with 13:1 ratio, tuned on s200, and only sees high mid 12's on street tires in a stripped ek chasis with cage.

Hmmm even after what bambam said, im not having it. even if you do beat a vette off the line, its going to get you in the end, since they do 160+.

buddy of mine has a fully built gsr motor with 13:1 ratio, tuned on s200, and only sees high mid 12's on street tires in a stripped ek chasis with cage.

You are right about that.....hondas just can't go faster than corvettes, theoretically, although I can build a honda tranny using nothing but honda gears and final drives, that can get you up to near 200 mph, although it would take a honda forever to get there. But, if we are talking about 1/4 mile times, they are more than capable. Besides, it's just dumb to drive 160 on the highway/streets anyway, so lets not go there.

And your buddy's motor...that's good for 11's in my crx. His car is about 600-700 lbs. heavier than mine is. He also wasted money on the hondata...there are plently of similar programs for free, which I am running.

all i wanted out of this post was to see if anyone had a good setup or if it was possible. even tho i had a pretty good guess it would happen for way less than a corvette. and for bambam i cant wait to see your car hit 11's that would be sick. did you built your head at all? and were they high/low compression pistons. help a newb out. i assume they were high since you are going all motor. let me know. you were the most help from all this

Yes, I guess you can say my head is "built"...but that is a subjective term between different people i guess.
I am running buddy club spec 3 cams with JG engine dynamics valve springs retainers. I also have a very very light port job.
I don't really consider it built. I am going with buddy club spec 4's by the end of this month though.
As for my plans for next summer, I plan on building a 230-250+ whp bseries crx. I will need to increase my displacement to at least 2.0 though with an 84mm sleeved block, as well as get higher compression pistons (13:1), and a better flowing head (port/polish done by rlz). An smsp header will top it all off. This is guarantted to give me 225whp out of the box. I could possibly make 250 whp with this setup, tuned, which is good for 11's at the very minimum with the right suspension and BFG's. Throw on some slicks and I'm knocking on 10's.
As for my compression, I'm running roughly 12:1. It is daily driven, on 93 pump gas, and tuned by me as well. The ONLY reason to run low compression pistons is turbo. Nitrous motors like compression in the 11.0-11.5:1 range (ideal) and with all motor, the higher the better. But, the higher you go, the less piston to valve clearance you have, and the less room you have for higher lift cams and cam gear tuning. IMO the best compression for an all motor honda is in the 12.5-13.0:1 range. This allows you to run some pretty big cams, with some room for cam tuning, and still pretty high. This can still be run on 93 octane with good tuning and is very streetable.

look i never ment for it to turn into an argument but i just corrected him then he jumped on my back and started to be an ass so i had to defend my self. just to get things straight there is no auto z06. go to chevrolet.com and look up z06 options. i am done with this thread i dont care if you guys totally make fun of me. all i did in this thread was correct yz and now i am getting ripped on and i dont get it so what ever. i guess i dont need to help people on af if they are going to be asses. dont get me wrong there are lots of good people on here.

look i never ment for it to turn into an argument but i just corrected him then he jumped on my back and started to be an ass so i had to defend my self. just to get things straight there is no auto z06. go to chevrolet.com and look up z06 options. i am done with this thread i dont care if you guys totally make fun of me. all i did in this thread was correct yz and now i am getting ripped on and i dont get it so what ever. i guess i dont need to help people on af if they are going to be asses. dont get me wrong there are lots of good people on here.t

dude, chill out. This is an online message board. Don't go stressin about it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how wrong it is, period.

Hey guys new and all

hey even easy/er then that-
just do what i did(good ol mopar)

take an old jeep and ARB difflocker front and back-plus good second hand tranny plus V8-mine about 400Hp-so how about 400hp front and back and smoke cars all day long mind you the looks all car types give you when you drive through knee deep mud and smake them at the lights is a look you just gotta get once to experince it it's like what the?
P.S. down in Australia vetts are held in high regard like all american stuff but there is all so a jap respect too.
hey thats just my way

Hey guys new and all

hey even easy/er then that-
just do what i did(good ol mopar)

take an old jeep and ARB difflocker front and back-plus good second hand tranny plus V8-mine about 400Hp-so how about 400hp front and back and smoke cars all day long mind you the looks all car types give you when you drive through knee deep mud and smake them at the lights is a look you just gotta get once to experince it it's like what the?
P.S. down in Australia vetts are held in high regard like all american stuff but there is all so a jap respect too.
hey thats just my way

you have a 400HP jeep. cool. :disappoin

At NE Dragway I also saw an old two door Bronco run high 11s, that was pretty sick, same idea as the Jeep.

yeah. one of the guys that works at collective racing was at the track he said he had a 13 somethin compression and he was running racing fuel and nitrous i dont know what shot tho. but its in a 92 95 hatch all interior still thre and he ran a 14.5 last night. but the nos wasent on that race. but he did have slicks. just 6.5" wide tho. and he blew somthin or broke an axle the next run with the nos. i hav e it on video. maybe i waill put it up somtime