Everybody Get A Word In!!!

Ok i just bought a 88DX crx, i did a mpfi swap and the motor blew.... i have a jdm sohc ZC....

i have a few questions....

Should i save up and buy a si tranny or use the Dx tranny?(does it really make much of a diffence?)

My friend said he'll trade me for a dohc ZC, but if i keep the sohc ZC i could put a mini me swap on it......whats better? going dohc, or going sohc v-tec? and what could be the results on a dx tranny.....

EVERYBODY GET A WORD IN!!!

I'm pretty sure you cant swap heads with a "v-tec" motor. The differnce in the dx and si tranny is the differential gearing, and you can tell a differnce, but if your going to be cruising around alot you'll probably want to go with the dx so you get better gas milage.

I'm pretty sure you cant swap heads with a "v-tec" motor. The differnce in the dx and si tranny is the differential gearing, and you can tell a differnce, but if your going to be cruising around alot you'll probably want to go with the dx so you get better gas milage.


Ive checked, u could use a ZC bottem end and a y8 head together, i also read that if u do this mini me, get a skunk2 68mm tb and intake manifold, that the motor will produce more HP then a stock b16a(i read from honda tunining)

Ive checked, u could use a ZC bottem end and a y8 head together, i also read that if u do this mini me, get a skunk2 68mm tb and intake manifold, that the motor will produce more HP then a stock b16a(i read from honda tunining)

more power than a b???? not happening with that setup, send me the link I would like to see it!...but i think mr silent thought you meant putting a z6 or y8 head on the dohc zc which you cant but you can on the sohc zc...member a d16a6 is the same as the zc sohc except for maybe lil better air flow an tiny bit of bump on the cam

I wouldnt doubt if that setup would make more than a b, if you look at the true numbers and useable power band, b16's arnt that impressive.

more power than a b???? not happening with that setup, send me the link I would like to see it!...but i think mr silent thought you meant putting a z6 or y8 head on the dohc zc which you cant but you can on the sohc zc...member a d16a6 is the same as the zc sohc except for maybe lil better air flow an tiny bit of bump on the cam


a ZC isnt the same as a d16a6, sure the cam is a lil more agressive, but the main diffence is in the bottem end, the ZC has slightly longer rocker arms and domed pistions, whitch with a vtec head = higher comression, i cant find the link at the moment, but its on last months honda tuning magazine(the one with the 4 door Si and honda Fit) go peep it, they dinoed the ZC mini me at 146whp and a b16a at 141whp..

[QUOTE=talonpunk831]a ZC isnt the same as a d16a6, sure the cam is a lil more agressive, but the main diffence is in the bottem end, the ZC has slightly longer rocker arms and domed pistions, whitch with a vtec head = higher comression,QUOTE]

You go talking about bottom end and put longer rocker arms in the sentence???? You sure you know what you are talking about...go to honda-tech.com and search and learn about this build....

[QUOTE=talonpunk831]a ZC isnt the same as a d16a6, sure the cam is a lil more agressive, but the main diffence is in the bottem end, the ZC has slightly longer rocker arms and domed pistions, whitch with a vtec head = higher comression,QUOTE]

You go talking about bottom end and put longer rocker arms in the sentence???? You sure you know what you are talking about...go to honda-tech.com and search and learn about this build....



opps my bad i think i forgot the word......umm shit...i cant remeber at the moment what there called....hmmm....connecting rods?.....what ever the fuck there called...the thingys that connet the pistons to the crank...i hate weed....

make it plain and simple and say rods and pistons save some embarassments lol...but like i said show me link that says the rods and pistons are diff, honestly I own a sohc zc right now and ripped apart both and they are literally identical.....

You don't even need a vtec head... you're just asking for wiring headaches. If you keep the sohc ZC, put a nice loppy cam in that bitch and maybe some itbs... LOL... J/K minime would work well with that set-up, just remember to use 93 at the pump... Oh yeah, and dx tranny would be fine until you get vtec. You may want the si tranny to stay in vtec when you shift so you don't have to bounce off the rev-limiter all the time to stay in vtec.

[QUOTE=turtlecrxsi]You don't even need a vtec head... you're just asking for wiring headaches. isnt a sohc zc vtec already?

isnt a sohc zc vtec already?

Nope. It's almost the same as a d16a6

Zc's are junk anyway. Why do you think they are so cheep?

Zc's are junk anyway. Why do you think they are so cheep?

for the last time zc's arnt the same as d16's diffent cam,rods,pistons.....

and there not junk, there so cheap because theres a grip in japan because of emissions laws over there, after all, at least with a ZC swap its EZ to keep ur A/C

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for the last time zc's arnt the same as d16's diffent cam,rods,pistons.....

different cam yes, rods no, pistons....maybe its only got like .2 higher compression which can easily be done with a slightly smaller combustion chamber. Still the same block and same head for the most part. IMO they are trash.

They are so cheap cause no one wants them. Most of them burn oil anyway lol. I'd much rather pick up a d15b and convert to obd1.

Oh and no way in hell is a mini me going to produce more than a b16. Just think a z6 makes 128 hp, and the upped compression with the head swap is NOT going to add another 42 hp.

i'll get my words in... ready...
Damn it is funny listen to some of you bitch. :smokin:

seriously, its like he wants us to say the sohc zc is a god and can take anything.

It'd make good use in the backyard, tie the dogs lease to it.

[QUOTE=Hybrid1990crx]seriously, its like he wants us to say the sohc zc is a god and can take anything.

lolz its not even like that.....well since u guys are honda guys do u ever read honda tunning?

look a few issues back on the lx vtec, were the show how to make a mini me....now if a d16a6 and a ZC have the same block then why would the comression be a 12.5.1 when u put a y8 head on it, and a d16a6 is 9.55.1........hmmm thats funny....mabye because im 100% right when i say ZC have domed pistons and longer rods.....that = higher comression with the y8 head....true a stock y8 is going to push out 126hp....but when u up that comression higher with the sohc ZC bottem end, throw on a 68mm TB and intake manifold its going to push out 145+*Whp

yeah b16's are rated 160hp....at the fly....there usally around 140 at the wheels...

Anyways im going to do this swap, the ZC bottem end with a Y8 head, i order the skunk2 intake manifold the TB, a cam gear a 98 civic EX header, i already have a exhaust and intake and the for time being im going to use my DX tranny till i could get a si tranny....wish me luck.

Your a fucking moron.

Your a fucking moron.

fuck u faggot.....dont talk shit on A.M......thats just sad....

now if a d16a6 and a ZC have the same block then why would the comression be a 12.5.1 when u put a y8 head on it, and a d16a6 is 9.55.1........hmmm thats funny....mabye because im 100% right when i say ZC have domed pistons and longer rods.....that = higher comression with the y8 head....true a stock y8 is going to push out 126hp....but when u up that comression higher with the sohc ZC bottem end, throw on a 68mm TB and intake manifold its going to push out 145+*Whp

yeah b16's are rated 160hp....at the fly....there usally around 140 at the wheels...


Well to start off, you know nothing about anything.

I already told you that the zc wouldnt surprise me if it had different pistons that are domed. Now with the rods, YOU ARE WRONG, a zc is a 1.6, and so is a d16a6. If the zc had longer rods it would be able to rev higher since there would be less rod angle, and it doesn't. It would also mean that the pin would be higher up on the piston skirt, so why don't you get a a6 and zc piston next to each other. Also, longer rods DO NOT up compression at all because you can't send the piston up any higher and pop the rings out or send it into a valve, all longer rods do is help with high revs. NEXT, You are not going to get 145 whp out of a mini me, there'd be a hell of a lot me people out there doing them if you could, you'll be lucking to get 110 whp out of it. A TB and IM aren't going to be adding that much power bucko, im sorry, even skunk2 only says like 8 hp from their manifold.

Now for the high compression. 12.5:1 eh? un-tuned, on pump gas you say? You better knock on wood, cause that motor is going to have some really fun detonation and start knocking. And since you'll be using a zc block, which has no knock sensor, theres going to be nothing to help pull timing with that happens which is going to = Kabloomy.

Have fun being a fucking idiot. How about you go on www.honda-tech.com (http://www.honda-tech.com) and tell everyone there what you told us. :nono:

Listen to Hybrid. He knows what he's talking about.

Also, d16a6 has 9.1:1 compression ratio stock. The sohc zc may have like 9.3:1 cr... wow.

You must also realize that the dudes in HT or any other mag (especially Sport Compact Car) like to experiment and usually blow shit up because they don't always do it right the first time. But guess what? They can afford to do that. They do it so that you don't.

Now if you really want a decent set up and want to be cheap you can get some P29 pistons out of an 89 d16a1 dohc and put them in a d16a6 or sohc zc block and it will bump up your compression to 10.5-11.0:1. But you better make damn sure your ignition is up to par... and I don't mean buying MSD crap either. I mean that your distributor and your timing is conservatively tuned. I had a similar set up with 2* advance timing at the cam and 18-20* btdc at the dizzy and the dizzy failed even with a Jacobs Ignition (which suck) and blew my shit up causing a nice fire in my engine bay and that was always running 93 octane.

Before you make outlandish claims and everything you should listen to people with experience.

Well to start off, you know nothing about anything.

I already told you that the zc wouldnt surprise me if it had different pistons that are domed. Now with the rods, YOU ARE WRONG, a zc is a 1.6, and so is a d16a6. If the zc had longer rods it would be able to rev higher since there would be less rod angle, and it doesn't. It would also mean that the pin would be higher up on the piston skirt, so why don't you get a a6 and zc piston next to each other. Also, longer rods DO NOT up compression at all because you can't send the piston up any higher and pop the rings out or send it into a valve, all longer rods do is help with high revs. NEXT, You are not going to get 145 whp out of a mini me, there'd be a hell of a lot me people out there doing them if you could, you'll be lucking to get 110 whp out of it. A TB and IM aren't going to be adding that much power bucko, im sorry, even skunk2 only says like 8 hp from their manifold.

Now for the high compression. 12.5:1 eh? un-tuned, on pump gas you say? You better knock on wood, cause that motor is going to have some really fun detonation and start knocking. And since you'll be using a zc block, which has no knock sensor, theres going to be nothing to help pull timing with that happens which is going to = Kabloomy.

Have fun being a fucking idiot. How about you go on www.honda-tech.com (http://www.honda-tech.com) and tell everyone there what you told us. :nono:


ooooh snap!! you just got served!

fuck u faggot.....dont talk shit on A.M......thats just sad....


That doesnt even make sence...

Well thats nice advise, but back to my point, they proved it in HT that it makes more then a B seires, safe or not, they did it, and thats what i want to do.

listen idiot, i still don't belive it. how about you link me to the article.

listen idiot, i still don't belive it. how about you link me to the article.

dude why do u always have to fucking talk shit, if u dont like the thread then dont fucking post, stop talking shit over the net like a pussy man, for reals, im going to scan the article and post it back onto this tread sometime this weekend.....

if you don't like getting flamed, don't post on forums.

if you don't like getting flamed, don't post on forums.

uh huh....isnt the whole point of the website is so that information and help can be shared? how the hell are u helping with all u do is talk shit and assume u know everything? I'll show you that ur wrong about the zc/mini me this weekend im going to scan and post it....we'll see. thanks for not helping me, why do u even bother to post?

Why didnt you title the thread "Everybody (unless you disagree with me, because I dont know what the fuck I'm talking about) Get A Word In!!!"?

i bet they have a little more experience with engine swaps than you so i'd listen to them..if you want to blow your engine and dont really care then why are you dumping money into it?? theyre cheap for a reason!!

uh huh....isnt the whole point of the website is so that information and help can be shared? how the hell are u helping with all u do is talk shit and assume u know everything? I'll show you that ur wrong about the zc/mini me this weekend im going to scan and post it....we'll see. thanks for not helping me, why do u even bother to post?

Yes it is, BUT I was once a newbie and also got flamed, I still do sometimes on honda-tech by the veterans, so deal with it.

You better prove me wrong with dyno graphs and everything.

I bother posting so that everyone else reading this thread doesn't think that all the nonscene informantion you are blurting out is true.

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Yes it is, BUT I was once a newbie and also got flamed, I still do sometimes on honda-tech by the veterans, so deal with it.

You better prove me wrong with dyno graphs and everything.

I bother posting so that everyone else reading this thread doesn't think that all the nonscene informantion you are blurting out is true.

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make sure when i post you, that kiss my ass, because ur going to look like the biggest re-tard alive, talking all this shit, and ur completely rong.....

And Berry Bonds didnt take steroids.

make sure when i post you, that kiss my ass, because ur going to look like the biggest re-tard alive, talking all this shit, and ur completely rong.....

I'm wrong? About what EXACTLY? Everything I stated is true, I even agreed with you about the pistons being different. YOU ARE NOT going to get 145whp from a mini me.

Acutally I got into the mood to do alittle searching.

with a zc block and a y8 head your compression ratio will be 12.612222016429251. Wanna double check? Be my guest. The well known compression calulator for D series http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/dcalc.htm

Seems VERY high for pump gas and no tuning, since you havent mentioned if, if you plan on tuning, i'd like to know what system you are using, and what your fuel maps are.

Also funny how hmotorsonline rates the sohc zc at 9.1:1, but from what I know personally the zc has a 9.5:1 ratio, but what do I know..... And when you use a a6 block on the compression calculater you get the exact same compression ratio with a y8 yeah that you do with a zc block.....hmmmm.

well im done looking around for now. feel free to come back tomorrow and make yourself look like more of an ass.

awww shiiit soon!!!

Acutally I got into the mood to do alittle searching.

with a zc block and a y8 head your compression ratio will be 12.612222016429251. Wanna double check? Be my guest. The well known compression calulator for D series http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/dcalc.htm

Seems VERY high for pump gas and no tuning, since you havent mentioned if, if you plan on tuning, i'd like to know what system you are using, and what your fuel maps are.

Also funny how hmotorsonline rates the sohc zc at 9.1:1, but from what I know personally the zc has a 9.5:1 ratio, but what do I know..... And when you use a a6 block on the compression calculater you get the exact same compression ratio with a y8 yeah that you do with a zc block.....hmmmm.

well im done looking around for now. feel free to come back tomorrow and make yourself look like more of an ass.




ok......we'll see soon enuff....

yes we will, and its going to be slow.

yes we will, and its going to be slow.

damn dude u think u know fucking everything, well what does a sohc vtec pull out? 125hp right? we can agree ZC pistons are doomed...and all other d seires pistons arnt, so the compression is going to be higher with the ZC bottem end, so lets just guestamate a ZC Mini would have to put out a lil more hp then a d16 vtec right? mabye 130? then u put on the skunk2 intake manifold...thats +8whp gaurented by the ppl at skunk2 so thats 138, then a 68mm tb, whitch is usally between 3 and 5whp, so well go with 3, thats going to be 141, the buld from HT says all u need is the intake manifold, the tb, a exhaust, and a cam gear to get 146whp out of this zc mini me, so what are we up to? 141....throw on a cam gear, ive seen ppl get gains of up to +8whp from one if tunned right, but well just say idk.....2hp gain? so thats 143hp, then the cat-bake exhaust....hmm usally around 4 to 6, but damn all we need is 3 to prove it right....not to mention throwin on a intake and a header...whitch would EAsly put this buld into the 150whps.......and most stock b16a's(and i just said most**********)are around 140whp....so thats a mini me that puts down more then a b16a....now im having problems with my scanner so im not sure when i can put these pages of honda tunning up, but when i can i will, but if anybody out there has the June issue, would u please look at page 60 and verifie that im right...thank you...

damn dude u think u know fucking everything, well what does a sohc vtec pull out? 125hp right? we can agree ZC pistons are doomed...and all other d seires pistons arnt, so the compression is going to be higher with the ZC bottem end, so lets just guestamate a ZC Mini would have to put out a lil more hp then a d16 vtec right? mabye 130? then u put on the skunk2 intake manifold...thats +8whp gaurented by the ppl at skunk2 so thats 138, then a 68mm tb, whitch is usally between 3 and 5whp, so well go with 3, thats going to be 141, the buld from HT says all u need is the intake manifold, the tb, a exhaust, and a cam gear to get 146whp out of this zc mini me, so what are we up to? 141....throw on a cam gear, ive seen ppl get gains of up to +8whp from one if tunned right, but well just say idk.....2hp gain? so thats 143hp, then the cat-bake exhaust....hmm usally around 4 to 6, but damn all we need is 3 to prove it right....not to mention throwin on a intake and a header...whitch would EAsly put this buld into the 150whps.......and most stock b16a's(and i just said most**********)are around 140whp....so thats a mini me that puts down more then a b16a....now im having problems with my scanner so im not sure when i can put these pages of honda tunning up, but when i can i will, but if anybody out there has the June issue, would u please look at page 60 and verifie that im right...thank you...

Yeah sure, I guess you can get those #'s from a all motor D, but with all that work put into it, you could pretty much have swapped a B series in, and had all that HP from a STOCk motor, that can be ran on pump gas with no problems. With a motor running a 12.6:1 ratio, some good tuning is going to be needed to get the full potential out of the motor, so don't forget to factor in the price for the management system you are going to run, and swapping over to obd1, since any asshole knows running a mini me on a pm6 is ghetto as hell, and since obd1 is much more tuner freindly. Do you think your stock injectors are going to be able to deliver enough fuel for the high compression without maxing out? How about uping fuel pressure? Also what are you going to do for your ignition since you won't have a knock sensor? Are you not afraid of knock? Do you even know what knock is? Are you going to retard the timing? If so how much? Don't forget about dyno tuning as well, since its really the only way to really tell if your motor is making more hp, so make sure you factor in the price of that. Do you think those stock zc rods are really going to like trying to be forced down, while they are still coming up on a compression stoke when you start to detonate? Oh and skunk2 manifolds don't guarantee 8 whp. More like 8 bhp, so thats like 4 whp. Do you think with all this upped air flow, the cam is still going to be efficent witout starting to cause a blockage, kinda like a maxed out turbo can do?

And don't always think all your boltons are really making that much extra power, I've seen motors acutally LOOSE hp adding bolt on parts to them in person, on the dyno, after installing them myself, and running the car on a dynojet chassis dyno myself.

So after building this super great D series motor, and getting it running to its full potential, and being really reliable, you could have just swapped in a B for the same price if not cheaper, and had the same, or MAYBE a few less HP that could be made up with some minor breathing mods and some tuning.

I could go on much longer, but I won't cause I know none of this is getting past your thick skull.

Yeah sure, I guess you can get those #'s from a all motor D, but with all that work put into it, you could pretty much have swapped a B series in, and had all that HP from a STOCk motor, that can be ran on pump gas with no problems. With a motor running a 12.6:1 ratio, some good tuning is going to be needed to get the full potential out of the motor, so don't forget to factor in the price for the management system you are going to run, and swapping over to obd1, since any asshole knows running a mini me on a pm6 is ghetto as hell, and since obd1 is much more tuner freindly. Do you think your stock injectors are going to be able to deliver enough fuel for the high compression without maxing out? How about uping fuel pressure? Also what are you going to do for your ignition since you won't have a knock sensor? Are you not afraid of knock? Do you even know what knock is? Are you going to retard the timing? If so how much? Don't forget about dyno tuning as well, since its really the only way to really tell if your motor is making more hp, so make sure you factor in the price of that. Do you think those stock zc rods are really going to like trying to be forced down, while they are still coming up on a compression stoke when you start to detonate? Oh and skunk2 manifolds don't guarantee 8 whp. More like 8 bhp, so thats like 4 whp. Do you think with all this upped air flow, the cam is still going to be efficent witout starting to cause a blockage, kinda like a maxed out turbo can do?

And don't always think all your boltons are really making that much extra power, I've seen motors acutally LOOSE hp adding bolt on parts to them in person, on the dyno, after installing them myself, and running the car on a dynojet chassis dyno myself.

So after building this super great D series motor, and getting it running to its full potential, and being really reliable, you could have just swapped in a B for the same price if not cheaper, and had the same, or MAYBE a few less HP that could be made up with some minor breathing mods and some tuning.

I could go on much longer, but I won't cause I know none of this is getting past your thick skull.


i didnt bother to read this post, because the only thing that matterd about this tread is that u can buld a mini me to out power a b16....and ive proved that, everything else is besides da point...and the honda tunning article, said how to buld a D seires that cost $1050, to out power a B seires swap that cost 3k.....i think its a better deal, with the other 2k, u could throw on a turbo, do more to the motor, hell, get some rims, system and a body kit...better deal to me

i didnt bother to read this post, because the only thing that matterd about this tread is that u can buld a mini me to out power a b16....and ive proved that, everything else is besides da point...and the honda tunning article, said how to buld a D seires that cost $1050, to out power a B seires swap that cost 3k.....i think its a better deal, with the other 2k, u could throw on a turbo, do more to the motor, hell, get some rims, system and a body kit...better deal to me

Yeah you didn't bother to read it because you can't answer my questions because you don't know what you are talking about. Sure you can build the motor itself for $1050, but you also need supporting mods for it to run correctly and be reliable. Seriously, try posting this on honda-tech, where more than 3 people acutally know what they are talking about.

You made this thread asking for peoples opinion, and you only want to listen to people that agree with you.

:thumbsdow Nice additude, you'll get far in life.

i think hybrid laid it out pretty well for you..have fun tryin to get your AMAZING ZC SWAP to run better than a b16..why build up a sohc cam when obviously youre goin to get the power out of a base b...not all b series swaps cost 3k..thats just me because im doin it right and gettin all new shit for my front end..i plan on never sellin my rex so im puttin the money in now and making sure some stupid little thing doesnt fuck me over in the long run. but you obviously know what youre doing cuz youve got an issue of a magazine to back you up lol..see you in a month or so when your swap is done and your engine decides to take a shit..go ahead and spend the money on a turbo ill be laughin when youre back here askin why your block is cracked in half..


so incase you didnt read that paragraph ill summarize it for you to make it easy..

YOURE AN IDIOT!! you get what you pay for..

damn dude u think u know fucking everything, well what does a sohc vtec pull out? 125hp right? we can agree ZC pistons are doomed...and all other d seires pistons arnt, so the compression is going to be higher with the ZC bottem end, so lets just guestamate a ZC Mini would have to put out a lil more hp then a d16 vtec right? mabye 130? then u put on the skunk2 intake manifold...thats +8whp gaurented by the ppl at skunk2 so thats 138, then a 68mm tb, whitch is usally between 3 and 5whp, so well go with 3, thats going to be 141, the buld from HT says all u need is the intake manifold, the tb, a exhaust, and a cam gear to get 146whp out of this zc mini me, so what are we up to? 141....throw on a cam gear, ive seen ppl get gains of up to +8whp from one if tunned right, but well just say idk.....2hp gain? so thats 143hp, then the cat-bake exhaust....hmm usally around 4 to 6, but damn all we need is 3 to prove it right....not to mention throwin on a intake and a header...whitch would EAsly put this buld into the 150whps.......and most stock b16a's(and i just said most**********)are around 140whp....so thats a mini me that puts down more then a b16a....now im having problems with my scanner so im not sure when i can put these pages of honda tunning up, but when i can i will, but if anybody out there has the June issue, would u please look at page 60 and verifie that im right...thank you...

I'm not the best motor guy on here by any means - but I think you missed one thing that may have caused all these problems - It's your starting HP. The 125hp that a d16 vtec motor starts at is not whp - it's the horsepower at the flywheel - not at the wheels. WHP stands for wheel horse power, that 125hp is 125 horses at the flywheel which in reality is probably not over 110whp. So right there are you way overestimating right off the bat. And if you take the same decrease in power that you are giving the b16 which states 160hp at the fly and you say it has 140whp then your d16 vtec which is 125hp stock is really only 105whp and then after all your mods you are only at 125whp instead of 145whp. I doubt that'll beat a b16 which you state is 140whp stock. In the same car it would lose head to head.

I'm not the best motor guy on here by any means - but I think you missed one thing that may have caused all these problems - It's your starting HP. The 125hp that a d16 vtec motor starts at is not whp - it's the horsepower at the flywheel - not at the wheels. WHP stands for wheel horse power, that 125hp is 125 horses at the flywheel which in reality is probably not over 110whp. So right there are you way overestimating right off the bat. And if you take the same decrease in power that you are giving the b16 which states 160hp at the fly and you say it has 140whp then your d16 vtec which is 125hp stock is really only 105whp and then after all your mods you are only at 125whp instead of 145whp. I doubt that'll beat a b16 which you state is 140whp stock. In the same car it would lose head to head.

good point, but then just go to a store and read honda tunning....i beleive june issue, page 60.....

You also dont realize that you cant take what companies say word for word, 8hp, doesnt really mean that if you bolt it in its going to make 8hp, it means that out of all the combinations of it with other parts, the best combination yielded 8hp. You also dont understand that each part doesnt make more power, motors work in sync and ballance, if you throw off one part and replace it with another, you have at counterbalance that with another part for each part to make its full potential.

We aren't saying it CAN'T be done. We are saying it can't be done with just a new head, intake and throttle body. You are going to need to have some type of fuel management to manage that high compression ratio, higher octane gas to stop the engine from knocking, probably a header and exhaust system to help everything breath more freely. What were they using for a vtec controller?? I don't have access to the article so I can't read it. But did they mention any of this?? You can't really run a high compression motor with out some other mods to help support it or you'll blow it up. It may run fine just to test on the dyno, but on the track or daily driving it won't last. And I highly doubt that you would like to build a motor for $1050 or whatever the number was just to blow it up in less than a month. Double check that article and see if they have any other mods listed like a header or some type of management system. What octane of fuel were they running? Things like this make a big difference on the dyno. If they used race gas that's over 100 octane you'd get a much different result than just 92-93 octane pump gas. We aren't trying to tell you don't do it, you're stupid, we're trying to tell you that if you do want to do it you're going to need more than just an intake and TB with the y8 head to make it last a few years. Sorry this is a long post.

this thread needs to be locked LOL...to much shit going on here and WAY TOO MANY NEEB'S

We aren't saying it CAN'T be done. We are saying it can't be done with just a new head, intake and throttle body. You are going to need to have some type of fuel management to manage that high compression ratio, higher octane gas to stop the engine from knocking, probably a header and exhaust system to help everything breath more freely. What were they using for a vtec controller?? I don't have access to the article so I can't read it. But did they mention any of this?? You can't really run a high compression motor with out some other mods to help support it or you'll blow it up. It may run fine just to test on the dyno, but on the track or daily driving it won't last. And I highly doubt that you would like to build a motor for $1050 or whatever the number was just to blow it up in less than a month. Double check that article and see if they have any other mods listed like a header or some type of management system. What octane of fuel were they running? Things like this make a big difference on the dyno. If they used race gas that's over 100 octane you'd get a much different result than just 92-93 octane pump gas. We aren't trying to tell you don't do it, you're stupid, we're trying to tell you that if you do want to do it you're going to need more than just an intake and TB with the y8 head to make it last a few years. Sorry this is a long post.

THANK YOU. I'm relieved that there are some people on here that acutally have brains.

This kid is so stubborn he doesnt want to believe anything anyone tells him that is different. The guys at honda-tuning AREN'T that smart, thats why you see readers writing in atleast once a issue or so correcting them on their mistakes.

I still think you need to concentrate on your goals instead of what magazines try to do. As I've previously stated, magazine dudes blow shit up all the time.

Are you going to use lightweight pulleys? How about a lightweight flywheel? What clutch are you going to use?

You most certainly should upgrade your harness and ecu to OBD1 with a remapped p28... definitely dyno tune and hopefully you'll use an adjustable cam gear to regulate the timing.

Built SOHC engines can be little monsters, but in the end a DOHC with the same mods and tuning will always win.

DOHC . :smooch: