Rubber Fuel lines?
Dyno247365
05-30-2006, 10:12 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a 3/8 inch rubber fuel hose and some mini hose clamps?
I installed my new fuel filter and line, which crimped, so I cut it up, Piece of...and I'm connecting the rest of the line with a rubber hose. (I got the idea from a 5/16 fuel injecter hose I had, which fit, but wasn't working like a 3/8ths and hard to fit on.)
I installed my new fuel filter and line, which crimped, so I cut it up, Piece of...and I'm connecting the rest of the line with a rubber hose. (I got the idea from a 5/16 fuel injecter hose I had, which fit, but wasn't working like a 3/8ths and hard to fit on.)
corning_d3
05-30-2006, 11:54 PM
I wouldn't put just any rubber line on there. If it's a fuel injected engine, it operates under high pressure. I'd suggest braided lines. They can be had at most auto parts or maybe even farm supply stores.
Dyno247365
05-31-2006, 01:38 AM
I wouldn't put just any rubber line on there. If it's a fuel injected engine, it operates under high pressure. I'd suggest braided lines. They can be had at most auto parts or maybe even farm supply stores.
Braided..flexible? You raise a good point but how much more do they cost? Wait a sec, are they braided on the outside or is it inside the rubber? That's what I'm buying, the 5/16ths I have has these threads sticking out of the cutaway.
Braided..flexible? You raise a good point but how much more do they cost? Wait a sec, are they braided on the outside or is it inside the rubber? That's what I'm buying, the 5/16ths I have has these threads sticking out of the cutaway.
corning_d3
05-31-2006, 02:09 AM
Inner braided is good, but make sure it is rated for at least 100 psi, more is better..
Earlsfat
05-31-2006, 08:34 AM
Russell and Earls both sell lines that would work. You're not talking thousand's of dollars either. I think the fuel lines have an inner braided core that's silicon (don't think it's rubber but could be wrong) and an outer braided sheath. Worth the money.
For Example (You'll have to find the size you need, sales people should be able to help)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=14251&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19135&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19133&parentCategoryId=10019
Think of it as the difference between Schlitz and Guiness. They're both beer, they'll both get you drunk, but Guiness tastes good, looks cool and won't destroy you the next morning.
Good luck.
For Example (You'll have to find the size you need, sales people should be able to help)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=14251&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19135&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19133&parentCategoryId=10019
Think of it as the difference between Schlitz and Guiness. They're both beer, they'll both get you drunk, but Guiness tastes good, looks cool and won't destroy you the next morning.
Good luck.
wrightz28
05-31-2006, 09:23 AM
You can get regular hose from any parts store usually, but it must be rated for fuel use (it will say so on the side). This would be cheaper than the braided way, BUT you can not exceed much more than 1 foot in length.
How did you crimp the new line?
How did you crimp the new line?
Dyno247365
05-31-2006, 01:18 PM
You can get regular hose from any parts store usually, but it must be rated for fuel use (it will say so on the side). This would be cheaper than the braided way, BUT you can not exceed much more than 1 foot in length.
How did you crimp the new line?
it's thinner than the brake line and I crimped it on the tube bending tool, so I tried uncrimping it and it split open, finally I got the idea to use rubber.
How did you crimp the new line?
it's thinner than the brake line and I crimped it on the tube bending tool, so I tried uncrimping it and it split open, finally I got the idea to use rubber.
wrightz28
05-31-2006, 01:28 PM
You can use rubber to "patch" the piece, but again, no more than 12" in length, and it must be rated for fuel use, and normally rated up to 90-100psi min.
And, it's not really htat it's thinner, it has more surface area that caused the crimp with too much pressure placed on it.
And, it's not really htat it's thinner, it has more surface area that caused the crimp with too much pressure placed on it.
Dyno247365
05-31-2006, 02:48 PM
3 words, WILD GOOSE CHASE
I went to Roadside Assistance AutoParts, "do you have braided fuel lines?" "we have normal rubber hosing but it won't stand up to 80psi...Go to Speed Planet, they should have that"
Speed Planet Guy: No braided fuel lines, Try Morlin Hoses on sunrise, there's a golf course (range) , and XXX store, and a then you'll see a stuffed shark (boat dealer), I found all of these places and no hose shop, plus I don't know how long these stores stay open for. I'll call Napa next. No they don't have it. I can't find this Morlin place in the phone book either.
I went to Roadside Assistance AutoParts, "do you have braided fuel lines?" "we have normal rubber hosing but it won't stand up to 80psi...Go to Speed Planet, they should have that"
Speed Planet Guy: No braided fuel lines, Try Morlin Hoses on sunrise, there's a golf course (range) , and XXX store, and a then you'll see a stuffed shark (boat dealer), I found all of these places and no hose shop, plus I don't know how long these stores stay open for. I'll call Napa next. No they don't have it. I can't find this Morlin place in the phone book either.
Dyno247365
05-31-2006, 02:57 PM
Russell and Earls both sell lines that would work. You're not talking thousand's of dollars either. I think the fuel lines have an inner braided core that's silicon (don't think it's rubber but could be wrong) and an outer braided sheath. Worth the money.
For Example (You'll have to find the size you need, sales people should be able to help)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=14251&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19135&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19133&parentCategoryId=10019
Think of it as the difference between Schlitz and Guiness. They're both beer, they'll both get you drunk, but Guiness tastes good, looks cool and won't destroy you the next morning.
Good luck.
I only need 1 foot of it though, I'm one SECOND away from using the 5/16ths I have. This is really discouraging.
For Example (You'll have to find the size you need, sales people should be able to help)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=14251&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19135&parentCategoryId=10019
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=19133&parentCategoryId=10019
Think of it as the difference between Schlitz and Guiness. They're both beer, they'll both get you drunk, but Guiness tastes good, looks cool and won't destroy you the next morning.
Good luck.
I only need 1 foot of it though, I'm one SECOND away from using the 5/16ths I have. This is really discouraging.
Earlsfat
05-31-2006, 03:56 PM
Call up Jeg's or Summit and order it... it'll take 1-2 days-ish to get to you. If you need it sooner than that, well, better get a phonebook and call Morlin's for directions. I can't believe that none of the big stores (Napa especially) have a braid fuel line.
WTF?
And discouraging???? Dude, how about I can't even get door lock pawls to fit my Maro because the jackass that built it (or restored it) used locksets from several different MODELS of cars and nothing fits. $54 worth of new locksets is turning into $200 of ADDITIONAL parts - when you add the bastard shipping - because I want the right stuff. Not FANCY stuff, but I want a 1970 door lock pawl on the friggin thing instead of one from a 82 Citation. What a retard.
Not only aren't the gauges not the right year, not only aren't they hooked up, but the damned things don't work either. SO, me rebuilding my transmission, TWICE mind you, has turned into $350 for new gauges, $254 for new locksets, and a boatload of headaches and time.
Discouraged... have a smoke, drink a beer, ask your woman for a hummer and relax. It'll all come together, it just takes a little time.
WTF?
And discouraging???? Dude, how about I can't even get door lock pawls to fit my Maro because the jackass that built it (or restored it) used locksets from several different MODELS of cars and nothing fits. $54 worth of new locksets is turning into $200 of ADDITIONAL parts - when you add the bastard shipping - because I want the right stuff. Not FANCY stuff, but I want a 1970 door lock pawl on the friggin thing instead of one from a 82 Citation. What a retard.
Not only aren't the gauges not the right year, not only aren't they hooked up, but the damned things don't work either. SO, me rebuilding my transmission, TWICE mind you, has turned into $350 for new gauges, $254 for new locksets, and a boatload of headaches and time.
Discouraged... have a smoke, drink a beer, ask your woman for a hummer and relax. It'll all come together, it just takes a little time.
wrightz28
05-31-2006, 04:01 PM
Discouraged... have a smoke, drink a beer, ask your woman for a hummer and relax. It'll all come together, it just takes a little time.
:lol:
Ahh Jim, man was pretax season boring without ya.
:lol:
Ahh Jim, man was pretax season boring without ya.
Dyno247365
05-31-2006, 04:33 PM
I wasn't that discouraged, was only thinking about how much more money I'd be spending that was closer to the original repro line price of 65 dollars. I did it, I took that 5/16th fuel injection hose, cut it, fit it and screwed what was left of the aluminum line into the fuel filter. All it needs are hose clamps.
If this doesn't hold up, it's just a temporary fix. I'm gonna get those mini screw clamps, and then it should be tight. Who wants to place bets on whether this succeeds or fails?
If this doesn't hold up, it's just a temporary fix. I'm gonna get those mini screw clamps, and then it should be tight. Who wants to place bets on whether this succeeds or fails?
Earlsfat
05-31-2006, 04:43 PM
You young guys... you didn't even ask for a hummer???
Dyno247365
05-31-2006, 05:18 PM
You young guys... you didn't even ask for a hummer???
I would if I could. Trust me. Screw Clamps fastened, all systems go. All I need is the fuel ump relay in the mail and I can start up the V8!
I would if I could. Trust me. Screw Clamps fastened, all systems go. All I need is the fuel ump relay in the mail and I can start up the V8!
Earlsfat
06-01-2006, 08:21 AM
YOU WOULD IF YOU COULD!?!?!
Look, the only way you COULDN'T ask for one is if you are a mute, a unic, or are too busy eating cheesesteaks and beer - in which case your mouth would be empty in a few moments depending on how much you savor the cheesesteak and beer.
Hey, it's easy... repeat after me... "Honey, give me a hummer... please".
You could substitute NOW for PLEASE, but I highly recommend against this if your woman has a tattoo of dagger or a skull, has more facial hair than you do or if she can benchpress more than you.
Look, the only way you COULDN'T ask for one is if you are a mute, a unic, or are too busy eating cheesesteaks and beer - in which case your mouth would be empty in a few moments depending on how much you savor the cheesesteak and beer.
Hey, it's easy... repeat after me... "Honey, give me a hummer... please".
You could substitute NOW for PLEASE, but I highly recommend against this if your woman has a tattoo of dagger or a skull, has more facial hair than you do or if she can benchpress more than you.
wrightz28
06-01-2006, 09:28 AM
Hopefully he just dosen't understand what getting at Jim.
Quick, think about this tho, even tho it may be a 'temporary fix' be damn sure it's a solid one, cuz what's right (ok 4 inches) next to that line with 50lbs of pressure?
Quick, think about this tho, even tho it may be a 'temporary fix' be damn sure it's a solid one, cuz what's right (ok 4 inches) next to that line with 50lbs of pressure?
Earlsfat
06-01-2006, 09:56 AM
cuz what's right (ok 4 inches) next to that line with 50lbs of pressure?
His nuts? :rofl:
I have no idea. But I agree with you (I think) and all I can say is a fuel line is one think I wouldn't want to rig.
His nuts? :rofl:
I have no idea. But I agree with you (I think) and all I can say is a fuel line is one think I wouldn't want to rig.
Earlsfat
06-01-2006, 01:33 PM
WTF... I just got a response to this thread in my email but when I get here it's gone!
Quick, you didn't delete that post did you????
DUDE, you single.. what's this about COULD??? You SHOULD. Unless you haven't a woman to ask... in which case.. GO GET ONE. (They sometimes ARE worth the trouble. Not saying you should go and marry one right away. Ask her for a hummer and she hesitates, don't marry her... if she flings you on your back with authority, the VERY NEXT THING YOU DO is go get an engagement ring.)
Quick, you didn't delete that post did you????
DUDE, you single.. what's this about COULD??? You SHOULD. Unless you haven't a woman to ask... in which case.. GO GET ONE. (They sometimes ARE worth the trouble. Not saying you should go and marry one right away. Ask her for a hummer and she hesitates, don't marry her... if she flings you on your back with authority, the VERY NEXT THING YOU DO is go get an engagement ring.)
Dyno247365
06-01-2006, 02:13 PM
Yeah, I know, that's when a girl ***** on my **** and **** and I *** while she **** and ********* it and we're ***************.
fun's over, the rubber line busted and fuel's leaking everywhere. good news is the fuel pump was working and the engine started and stayed on, choking on the bad fuel delivery, I heard that pump shoot right through the rubber though, who knows how much psi but I definitely need a metal line and pressure fittings.
fun's over, the rubber line busted and fuel's leaking everywhere. good news is the fuel pump was working and the engine started and stayed on, choking on the bad fuel delivery, I heard that pump shoot right through the rubber though, who knows how much psi but I definitely need a metal line and pressure fittings.
Dyno247365
06-01-2006, 02:18 PM
WTF... I just got a response to this thread in my email but when I get here it's gone!
Quick, you didn't delete that post did you????
DUDE, you single.. what's this about COULD??? You SHOULD. Unless you haven't a woman to ask... in which case.. GO GET ONE. (They sometimes ARE worth the trouble. Not saying you should go and marry one right away. Ask her for a hummer and she hesitates, don't marry her... if she flings you on your back with authority, the VERY NEXT THING YOU DO is go get an engagement ring.)
Yes Sir!! *salutes*
Quick, you didn't delete that post did you????
DUDE, you single.. what's this about COULD??? You SHOULD. Unless you haven't a woman to ask... in which case.. GO GET ONE. (They sometimes ARE worth the trouble. Not saying you should go and marry one right away. Ask her for a hummer and she hesitates, don't marry her... if she flings you on your back with authority, the VERY NEXT THING YOU DO is go get an engagement ring.)
Yes Sir!! *salutes*
Earlsfat
06-01-2006, 02:21 PM
Yeah, I know, that's when a girl ***** on my **** and **** and I *** while she **** and ********* it and we're ***************
I always sucked at hangman. :banghead: I'm with you to here: Yeah, I know, that's when a girl ***** on my **** :smokin: But lost you on the rest. But the rest doesn't matter anyway. :rofl: The first part is what you should be concentrating on. :evillol:
I always sucked at hangman. :banghead: I'm with you to here: Yeah, I know, that's when a girl ***** on my **** :smokin: But lost you on the rest. But the rest doesn't matter anyway. :rofl: The first part is what you should be concentrating on. :evillol:
Earlsfat
06-01-2006, 02:23 PM
Yes Sir!! *salutes*
LMAO!
LMAO!
Earlsfat
06-01-2006, 02:24 PM
Seriously though... Sucks on the rubber fuel line. Go Braided.. if you're gonna sell this thing it'll make whoever is buying think you put some heart into it, and will help you get what you're asking.
Dyno247365
06-01-2006, 02:33 PM
Seriously though... Sucks on the rubber fuel line. Go Braided.. if you're gonna sell this thing it'll make whoever is buying think you put some heart into it, and will help you get what you're asking.
you think I should do that instead of building a normal alum. line again? Might be cheaper actually..Let me check those links again.
you think I should do that instead of building a normal alum. line again? Might be cheaper actually..Let me check those links again.
wrightz28
06-01-2006, 02:38 PM
Well, the nice part about the braded stuff is you can route it diferently and more easily to clean up the engine bay, or away from heat sources (headers)
Dyno247365
06-01-2006, 02:44 PM
Well, the nice part about the braded stuff is you can route it diferently and more easily to clean up the engine bay, or away from heat sources (headers)
That's great but you know we're talking about the line by the gas tank, can I pressure fit it so it doesn't leak from 80psi of fuel? The problem is it's right on the corner, I think it's safer if that part is all one piece and closed up, know what I mean?
That's great but you know we're talking about the line by the gas tank, can I pressure fit it so it doesn't leak from 80psi of fuel? The problem is it's right on the corner, I think it's safer if that part is all one piece and closed up, know what I mean?
wrightz28
06-01-2006, 03:09 PM
Yes I know exaclty what you are tlaking aobut. If it were me, I'd be getting braided line for my enire run up to the motor.
If you have 80 PSI of fuel in that line, you have bigger problems.
The vvery same corner on mine is hosed as well, but I put a flare on the end so the clmap has something to lock to. And ifyou don't feel like flaring it, do what I'm going to do next time I change my filter which is buy a preflared filter that has line feed threaded as normal, and flared tubing to go to hose on the outout end.
If you have 80 PSI of fuel in that line, you have bigger problems.
The vvery same corner on mine is hosed as well, but I put a flare on the end so the clmap has something to lock to. And ifyou don't feel like flaring it, do what I'm going to do next time I change my filter which is buy a preflared filter that has line feed threaded as normal, and flared tubing to go to hose on the outout end.
Dyno247365
06-01-2006, 05:16 PM
Yes I know exaclty what you are tlaking aobut. If it were me, I'd be getting braided line for my enire run up to the motor.
If you have 80 PSI of fuel in that line, you have bigger problems.
The vvery same corner on mine is hosed as well, but I put a flare on the end so the clmap has something to lock to. And ifyou don't feel like flaring it, do what I'm going to do next time I change my filter which is buy a preflared filter that has line feed threaded as normal, and flared tubing to go to hose on the outout end.
No problems here, I've solved it!! And here's the prototype:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/358681fuel_line.jpg
It's not done yet, I'm either going to get a 3/8th normal rubber line around that or get another pressure fitting you see at the end.
If you have 80 PSI of fuel in that line, you have bigger problems.
The vvery same corner on mine is hosed as well, but I put a flare on the end so the clmap has something to lock to. And ifyou don't feel like flaring it, do what I'm going to do next time I change my filter which is buy a preflared filter that has line feed threaded as normal, and flared tubing to go to hose on the outout end.
No problems here, I've solved it!! And here's the prototype:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/358681fuel_line.jpg
It's not done yet, I'm either going to get a 3/8th normal rubber line around that or get another pressure fitting you see at the end.
Dyno247365
06-02-2006, 05:01 PM
IT WORKED!! The camaro stayed on and the rubber fitting didn't leak but the pressure fitting was loose and sprayed gasoline like a supersoaker gun. It's been a long time since someone said "TURN IT OFF!!" referring to my car. haha, IT IS ALIVE but I don't know how to properly tighten that fitting. My dad has night school so he's going to help me finish it tomorrow. I'm glad that the rubber worked. It's got 2 injection hose rings also. If it ever leaks anything, we can screw those tighter, end of story.
Nevermind, I figured out how to tighten the pressure fitting and while there are still some leaks, the car starts, runs and ..has other problems now.
Nevermind, I figured out how to tighten the pressure fitting and while there are still some leaks, the car starts, runs and ..has other problems now.
Earlsfat
06-04-2006, 07:42 PM
ummm... so your ok with it leaking fuel??? Near a hot exhaust pipe???
I don;t understand why you don't just fess up and by a new line from the tank to the fp regulator and be done with it once and for all. AND you could have some faith in it.
I don;t understand why you don't just fess up and by a new line from the tank to the fp regulator and be done with it once and for all. AND you could have some faith in it.
Dyno247365
06-04-2006, 07:45 PM
I fixed the leak already, don't worry about it. Now i've got other problems to solve.
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