civics worth it??

trust me even if you can find a raver forum, someone will bitch at your particular style of techno, or at your favorite drink to go with your extacy, or because you dont wear enough childrens beads.

lighten up :rolleyes: its not that serious. calm down. noone was attacking you personally. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

if you cant handle a little constructive criticism this is definitely not the place for you. good luck wherever you end up

Come on people lets get back on topic and stop :monkeypis around so the commen felling is civics are not worth it but what is? supras are around 20$ when i was looking at them and a little less and thats used :angryfire thats to much money for my friend he needs somthing under 7,000 and then he will mod it. Hes not looking for anything awsome just some he can win races with until he can afford somthing nice

Late model Supras are very pricey, but the older Supras still have a very strong inline 6 that handles boost very well.

The 240SX is a good pick, you can get them for fairly cheaply, around 4K in good condition, and spend another 3K rebuilding the engine. A built KA24DE should be able to make near 300hp, and they weight about 2800-2900 lbs. Good cars, they handle very well.

Just do a web search for the Supra. The latest ones, the MK IV (mark 4), are quite pricey and highly sought after. However, the earlier MKIIIs are almost as good, and much cheaper. If these are still out of your budget, a Celica Supra MKII can be had for a song, and can still offer very good performance on a budget. Check out the Supra and 240SX sections of the board, and do a little research on Supra/240SX boards...

Oh yeah, always a good idea before deciding on a car... read the reviews, which for the the Supra, are absolutely spectacular.

http://www.carsurvey.org/model_Toyota_Supra.html

Mark II Celica Supra, based off Celica, but with inline 6 cylinder
http://www.celicasupra.com/gallery.htm

http://www.celicasupra.com/images/83Kaminari.jpg

Mark III Supra

http://www.dreamwater.org/auto/mk3supra/Pictures/pictures.html

This is really a great car that doesn't get enough recognition. It's capable of awesome performance, but at the same time is incredibly reliable. Oh yeah, they also make a million body kits for these things...

The only honduh i would even consider owning would be the S2000. I'n my opinion, if you're not gonna go with a domestic V8, is maybe an older 300ZX, supra, or DSM. The 84-89 300ZX really isn't that bad if you get a turbo model, they're not too heavy, they're easy to mod, and it's a RWD car, thats already faster stock than your average/basic mods honda. But thats just my opinion. (Stay away from the honduhs)

I think he got the impression hondas are not for racing :D

Yeah, 300ZXs are a great choice as well. They go for very little nowadays, because they're older cars. They have really good performance potential. On a stock engine, add an intercooler and a boost controller, and you can make 275hp...

Lot's of people go after all these small displacement cars, and try to make them faster by throwing money at them, but the truth is, there's no replacement for displacement! A 3 liter motor, ala Supra or 300ZX has a lot more potential, especially when factory turbocharged. All you have to do is just beef up a few minor parts, like injectors and intercoolers, and raise the boost.

I personally like the old sentra SE-Rs and 200SXs. Come stock with the famed SR-20 motor. They are pretty quick box stock, and you can build em up pretty easy too.:cool:

where can u get the new supras?

If by "new" you mean the MK IV, they're around. Import auto trader should have a couple. Be prepared to spend at least $25K on a good Supra though.

If by "new" you mean, the new Supra which they are finishing the body shape of right now, probably 2005/2006... A long time to wait, and it is going to be naturally aspirated, probably with the Lexus 4.3 liter V8, and the inline 6 as a base engine. :(

aww... no turbo sucks.

A lot of people try and make fun of those of us who find enjoyment in making a car faster. I like it when I hear people brag that their V8 will beat my car. I always want to say "DUH, Really? I wouldn't have thought that...duh...." The people that act like a 4 cylinder car is simply an economy car simply don't understand car classes. I find that train of thought to be the equivalant of somebody trying to argue that Nascar is stupid, because there's formula cars out there that will smoke a Nascar. Well, ya, duh.. of course it would. it's 2 totally different cars. That's no different then a civic vs. a mustang. Of course the mustang will win, it's got almost 3 times the engine in it. But somone in a Civic wouldn't race a Mustang, it wouldn't make sense. However, that same person in the Civic steps up to a Integra or a G20 or any 4 cyl out there, now you have a race. As for draggin, I totally agree, if that's what you're lookin for, then you should get a big car with a V8. But if your lookin for road speed, handling, and a fun car to modify, then a Civic really can't be beat. They have more parts for those cars then any other car on the road, minus an Accord.. A list of cars that I'd recommend would be:

90-95 Accord
90-98 Civic
94-up Integra
92-96 G20 (infiniti)
97- up Sentra

I would steer clear of Talon's/Eclipse's, because they have timing belt issues, and unless the person that owned it was very good at maintaining the car, they've probably broken a belt and the engine's gonna have problems if it already doesn't.

The G20 (nissan primera over seas) is a solid 2.0 n/a here in America.That's why I bought it. Over seas they have a variety, including the turbo edition. This is my 2nd G. They use a chain instead of a belt for the timing, so you shouldn't really ever have timing issues. And it's a very solid block, used for the SR20DET engine, capable of handling 205 horses + with the turbo, but in America they come stock with 140-145 horses....

Integras are cheap. Even the 3rd generations, if the year is low enough (94-95) and is a solid foundation for some tuning as well.

The Civic is good, with an engine swap, but that's always a pain, and I haven't had a friend yet that has swapped an engine and not had problems with it. though I'm sure theres some on AF that haven't had problems.

Just my 2 cents as well....

Hey Cbass, a built 240 with the KA can make a lot more than 300hp ;)

http://www.executivecleancar.com/240/

Check out his dyno sheets! I'm dead sure you could probably get it a bit higher than that too.

Yeah, but I'd only want about 300hp for that car. I decided it would be more fun to try an 86 with a 20V engine.

As for your post g-ealousy, I'll quote Terminal Velocity on this one...

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
hahaha...honda...oh my,...

As for your post g-ealousy, I'll quote Terminal Velocity on this one...
hahaha...honda...oh my,...

Have you ever even owned a new Honda? I have... I'm speaking from experience... where is the information forming your opinion coming from??:rolleyes:

Every knows civics are not worth it IF YOU WANT TO RACE (well mybe not the people in the honda forums) but let me guess you either dont care about street racing which then i chould see your point they are great cars for getting to point A to point B but if you are trying to say they are good racers your out of your mind just look at the damn info i just dont get how people can just ignor the facts. The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

Bottem line Civics ARE NOT RACERS (unless you drop an insane amount of cash)

I have an opinion... all my cars should have some degree of balls. In this light, I will not buy a honda. I don't care how fast you think it is, or even how fast it really is, I want a car that can race when it's full of people.

hahahaha, T-BIRD!

*hasnt bothered to keep up with this thread, and I just had to throw this in for how many times i've raced with it full of people, and won *:D

Every knows civics are not worth it IF YOU WANT TO RACE (well mybe not the people in the honda forums) but let me guess you either dont care about street racing which then i chould see your point they are great cars for getting to point A to point B but if you are trying to say they are good racers your out of your mind just look at the damn info i just dont get how people can just ignor the facts. The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

Bottem line Civics ARE NOT RACERS (unless you drop an insane amount of cash)

Ha ha!
1st of all, what "race car" hasn't had a lot of money put into the car? Otherwise, wouldn't it just be a car? 2nd, I have a friend with a civic that can run a 11's at sea level... but, that's probably not cool to any of you, just stupid to you all...
And I guess I'll ask again, since it seems everyone dogged the question the first time, have any of you even owned a NEW Honda, or, are v8's all you've ever owned? If you haven't owned a 4 cyl any time in the last 4 years, then you really wouldn't know what you are talking about right?
Oh, and, RACER D12, what facts did I ignore again? That a V12 can beat a V8, and that a V8 can beat a V6, and that a V6 can beat a V4? Well, I guess by that standard, that the "people" have over looked, none of us should try and race, cause there's always a car that will beat your machine.... I guess we should just have 1 class of auto races, instead of multiple classes... eh? :rolleyes:

The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

I'd dare ya to go in the Civic Forum and say that, but I know you wouldn't... if you honestly believe that, you've got a lot to learn young padawan....:sun:

To be honest Vladimer, your best bet to find out info on a car is to visit that forum, not this one. These forums are allways filled with people that own big V8's and have the view that anything less is "stupid'...

Pull your head out of your ass G-ealousy, if you think that statement goes for everyone, you really are more closeminded than I thought. Not all domestic V8's have a "my car's a v8 what's your's" complex. Import tuners have the same mentality when it comes to "my SI has 100 hp per litre, what does your domestic have" kinda crap. Race what you brought, and don't go home crying if you loose. It's for the love of the cars...

I used to have a 90 Integra, in answer to your question. Do not group everyone into stereotypes, it won't ever work...

First of all i like imports and i love 4cyl and the facts i was refering to are the civics compare it to a WRX or a GTI, jetta,A4 1.8t and im sure thier are other cars you all think of the point is civics are not good for racing most of the time people end up replacing the engine and then its not a civic any more. thats my point and notice i didnt slam you like a jackass


Get a WRX or if you can wait get the WRX STI thats what im wanting for

I used to have a 90 Integra, in answer to your question. Do not group everyone into stereotypes, it won't ever work...

As soon as people stop feeding the stereotype, I'll stop sterotyping...And as long as there's quotes such as CAptynCrunch said

So, if you want to drag race you've got two choices. You can do the smart thing and buy either a domestic(sorry guys, i love japanese cars, but they aren't designed for drag racing.) with a large displacement engine because that is by far the easiest, cheapest and most importantly fastest way to quicker times.

or the quote from 93speed

If you wanna play The Fast and the Furious and street race then go buy something else like a mustang.

I don't really see how I could view it any other way then a sterotype...

Perpetuating stereotypes doesn't solve anything, make it start with you and convince others with what you know...

Perpetuating stereotypes doesn't solve anything, make it start with you and convince others with what you know...

Well said, that is true, and I do agree. But, when you try and voice against a mass view, more often then not, your opinion and knowlege doesn't matter much... At least on AF that is... You just get bashed anyway...

Wait we still talking about civics:confused: any ways maybe we did jump all over you for saying civics are good at street racing G-ealousy sorry its your opinion. And i like making cars fast just not cars I THINK are not worth it. I go more for germen, and some japs like EVOs WRXs, STIs, Skylines that stuff. But one thing you never really explaned why you would race a civic, to me i see Fwd bad, almost no torq Important for racing, small displacment bad for drag racing, but thats me what do you see?

But one thing you never really explained why you would race a civic, to me I see Fwd bad, almost no torq Important for racing, small displacment bad for drag racing, but thats me what do you see?

Wanna know.... ? To be honest, this is what I view the race world as.... I see kids that take these cars (civics, escorts, all your little 4's), and like this forum has been talking about, try and drag race them. Well, I have a couple friends that too, try and do this, and do rather well at it too. But, if you look, the only way this is accomplished is through Nos (or the sorts) and some serious, serious dollars in the engine. That's not what it is to me. I think Hollywood ruined the image of this sport with ideas like "fast and the furious"... Personally, I would NEVER try and drag race my little G. That's not what it's designed for. My car, (and the little 4's around the streets), if modified, should be modified for a track, not a drag strip. I think "Red Shoe Racing" when I think of the 4 cyl. cars. If I want to drag race, I'm with everyone on this forum, I'd buy a domestic Z28, or a Cobra 'Stang, you know? That's horse power designed to be quick off the light. My car is not designed to be quick off the light. My car is designed to run at high RPM's to be maintained for extended periods of time... just like a motorcycle engine. A GSX-R is not designed to have torque at 2500 rpm's, it peaks at 7000 rpms... you know? That's what a 2.0 VTEC, or the SR20DE/T is designed for. Racing around a course, not to try a drag strip with. But for some reason, I think American kids got confused, and tried to blend the two types of racing into one. A four, or even a six cyl. car is not designed for draggin. Period. Can a Skyline hang at a drag strip? Absolutely.. but, that doesn't mean that's what the designers had in mind when they developed the car. They're meant to be driven, fast, and be able to handle turns at high speeds etc. A "muscle car" such as a new 'Stang, could really handle it's own on either course I'd bet, but, on a Race Course, you'd never match a Mustang up to my little G, or a Civic, or an Escort even, you would match it up to other V8's. The 6's vs. the 6's, etc... classes of races just like you see at a drag strip. As for a "Drag Strip", though true, I have seen some 4's that really can pull respectable numbers, but, they just really don't belong there. In my opinion anyway. I'll probably get bashed for saying that too.. I don't really care.. But, I do believe that 4 cyl cars are really sweet. I think they handle great (with the right mods) look great and are a fun way to zip around the streets of your city. Nissan, Toyota and Honda too, have made great strides in performance to match European cars in just the last 5 years alone, with the new generations of their models coming out, that, they are the future of Auto Racing... Minus the Drag Strips.... My views and I'm stickin to em....

:bandit:

we're currently posting in a street racing message board... so the assumption is that we're talking about racing on the streets. And usually(from my knowlege), most street racing rarely involves corners.. its usually straightline competitions.

i dont think theres anything wrong with drag racing 4 cylinder cars. there is a good amount of little 4 cylinders that would whup on v8's... and i'm talking about in stock form. and is there a rule or something that two 17 second cars can't race? no, racing is racing... wether its a camaro vs a mustang or a geo metro vs my minivan.

Damn, this thread still exists? Oh well, where are we now?

Originally posted by fatninja19
we're currently posting in a street racing message board... so the assumption is that we're talking about racing on the streets. And usually(from my knowlege), most street racing rarely involves corners.. its usually straightline competitions.

Boring :) but then I have to remember most people don't live in an area where the population density is only like 1 person for every 10 or 15 square kilometers, then take into account an old abandoned U.S. base with like 3 or 4 square kilometers of open unused asphalt...so most people don't have my freedoms.

[B]i dont think theres anything wrong with drag racing 4 cylinder cars. there is a good amount of little 4 cylinders that would whup on v8's... and i'm talking about in stock form. and is there a rule or something that two 17 second cars can't race? no, racing is racing... wether its a camaro vs a mustang or a geo metro vs my minivan.[B]

Ok, I'm trying as hard as i can here and I'm still having trouble trying to think of a stock USDM 4 banger that can out drag a stock V8. I mean whats the slowest stock V8? A mustang GT? Maybe a WRX could take it?

Boring but then I have to remember most people don't live in an area where the population density is only like 1 person for every 10 or 15 square kilometers, then take into account an old abandoned U.S. base with like 3 or 4 square kilometers of open unused asphalt...so most people don't have my freedoms.

Well, to be honest CAptynCrunch, I think we all do have access. But, like I said, either kids today are to lazy to try and actuall book a race at a local track, or an abandoned business districts... maybe old air ports... or it's just "easier" for them to drag race... There's also the fact that, once you start adding turns, god forbid, the racers might have to DOWNSHIFT and then UPSHIFT through the course of the race... But, that's not really my point anyway... my point really is that kids in America don't really understand why they're fixing their cars to look like they do... Every true drag FF4 cyl I see has super tubed slicks with a 14' inch rim in the front, and 17" lo-pro tires and wheels in the back... but, that's not what you see on the street.. On the street you see kids with 17" wheels all the way around with tires that cost as much as the rims, and the kids are burnin 'em out?! That's not what that tire was designed for, and that's not what the 17"s are designed for. they're designed for track racing.... but, hey, we'll see if this civic can spin the wheels and burn up a clutch and wear these tires down all in a month! Yeah! Lame....

Captyn,
a friend of mine drives a 94 convertable mustang GT(4.9L). My mom has a 01 HONDA accord 4dr v6. Both are automatics. We raced twice, and we were dead even up to 80, then we let off becuase we ran out of road. The automotive magazines say the accord runs anywehre from 15.9-16.1. YES, i know the accord is not a 4 banger, but there are many other four bangers that run faster than 15.9 STOCK. EXAMPLE: Integra GSR(mid 15's). Another EXAMPLE: Integra Type R(high 14's). Now, all these times I posted are in stock configuration. All these cars aforementioned are USDM.

there are also other v8's that are slower than GSR integras... such as the new mecury maruader.

dont get me wrong, i dont hate domestics. i just like motoring in general.

I thought it had a 4.6L V8 :confused:

I'm pretty sure 95 was the first year for the 4.6 modular V8... The 94 and earlier shipped out with a 5.0, that was rated at 215hp I think... I don't know the figures for the base 5.0 HO.

Originally posted by Cbass
I'm pretty sure 95 was the first year for the 4.6 modular V8... The 94 and earlier shipped out with a 5.0, that was rated at 215hp I think... I don't know the figures for the base 5.0 HO.

ok, for mustangs 95 was the last year for the 5.0
T-birds it was 93

The 5.0HO was rated *by -most- info I find* at 200hp and 300 torque, in the mustang it had the t-5 so it made around 330 torque I believe.

And BS an accord could hang with a newer gt, even a slower one. That stang musta had a really really bad driver :rolleyes:

Oh, and saying "base" 5.0HO is kinda funny

The HO is a 5.0 with a better cam, better heads, headers, and more bearing meterial I believe.

No no no guys, he's not referring to the new style 4.6L mustangs. He's talking about the 5.0L foxbody.

I'm guessing ninja reads car and driver? cause i think it was last issue or at least within the last couple of issues someone worte in a letter to correct them about saying the mustang had a 4.9L V8, saying it had a 5.0L. The editors response to this was that although it says 5.0L on the car it's actually 4.9L because the engine is i think something like 4944cc's so they say technically it should be rounded to a 4.9L

And although I'll allow that a GS-R might be able take a foxbody, I feel the need to point out that your using the old, best versus worst argument.

I mean where does a GS-R rank in the lineup of 4 cylinder japanese cars? It's somewhere in between the middle and the top. And your comparing it to the slowest sports oriented V8. I see the GS-R as more along the lines of equivilancy as the Camaro and the Firebird.

None are the top of the game for they're markets, but they're all relatively popular and well performing vehicles. And theres no way your gonna convice me that a stock GS-R could walk a firebird.

Oh yeah, and the maraduar doesn't count as a sports car. It's a boat with wheels. Actually it doesn't even rank as a boat, cause that things way to heavy to float :)

Good then, I learned something new.

Muchas Gracias :D

Yo TV, notice i said 94 mustang. not the new gt's.. new gt's are pretty damn quick.

Captyn, sorry about not knowing that we're only comparing "sports" cars.. i thought you just told me to find any stock usdm 4 banger that would beat a stock v8. so yea.. i agree that the majority of import cars are not ideal for drag racing, and i'm a fan of both imports and dometics. i agree that theres no way a stock gsr can touch any LS1 or LT1 f-body's, but it'd probaly beat a f-body with the p.o.s. economy 305! hahaha... but the 80's was a pretty horrible time for v8 performance.

I'd think that a subaru wrx would give a new GT a run for its money down the 1/4...(i doubt the wrx would beat the gt, but it'd probaly be close)

ps. i dont read car and driver, I just know because my friend drives one. and i dont think a 94 is called a foxbody because it looks quite similar to a 96 stang. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/usedsingleyear.aspx?modelid=1061&src=vip

I dont know about a WRX but the STi could beat a GT i think. I mean if you are a good driver you should not have a problem because the Sti is going to beat the GT off the line every time the STI just has crazy traction. And the way the Sti just gets up to its top speed so fast is amazing so if you chould just hold on you would win, but anything more than a 1/4 the GT would get you it just has more high end power. This is JUST MY opinion












[SIZE=3]GOT RICE

ps. i dont read car and driver
Too bad. What a great magazine....:bandit:

i like auto week, it comes more often.. haha

i know you guys arent gonna believe me, but people have hit 13's in bone stock usdm wrx's. thats definately quick enough to top a gt. the newer (96-ish) gt's run mid-high 14's dont they?

You lie, 13's? that is complete bs. Post your time slips and pictures if you have any.

Hey riceboy, don't come into this forum and call people liars! Especially not members of the Tofu Crew, because we'll mess you up man :D

i didnt say they do it easily, or often, just they can, on those rare, special fast run times. normally the best drivers run around 14.2 in stock wrx's. go on over to www.i-club.com and search around for the fastest 1/4 mile times if you dont believe me. i dont have a timeslip to show you because i dont own a wrx...

Civics are not bad. I think they are nice little cars, but they should not be used as race cars.

Ok quick ? my friend said a super charger is that thing you see some times on dragsters that comes out of the hood is that right?

Any ways are all honda's Fwd or are thier any Rwd ones:confused:

And what do you guys think about old chorvets my friend is geting his dads old 80 somthing or 70 somthing one but he donst think it would be a good street racer i think it would i have to get some more info on it

Ok quick ? my friend said a super charger is that thing you see some times on dragsters that comes out of the hood is that right?

Any ways are all honda's Fwd or are thier any Rwd ones:confused:

And what do you guys think about old chorvetts my friend is getting his dads old 80 somthing or 70 somthing one but he dosnt think it would be a good street racer i think it would i have to get some more info on it

how do you post pics

man, i missed you delayson...hahaha.. where've you been?
i've heard that the wrx is hard to drive fast... people say it is hard "because its AWD". I've driven a 5 spd wrx, but didnt get on it at all. Even my friend who owns a type R and is a pretty good driver says its hard to be quick in one. he says that it bogs like crazy off the line, and he said he dumped the clutch at about 4k rpm ... The fastest way to launch a WRX is by reving it up, then just dumping the clutch right? there won't be any traction problems because of awd... so whats the deal?

to delayson or any other tofu crew: how would one become one of the tofu boys?

You should inquire in the Initial D forum about being a member. It's found in the Racing forum, so just back up a few pages. That's probably your best bet...

Originally posted by RACER D12
Ok quick ? my friend said a super charger is that thing you see some times on dragsters that comes out of the hood is that right?

Any ways are all honda's Fwd or are thier any Rwd ones:confused:

And what do you guys think about old chorvets my friend is geting his dads old 80 somthing or 70 somthing one but he donst think it would be a good street racer i think it would i have to get some more info on it


Yes, the thing you see out of 99% of all the top fuel dragsters is what is called a SuperCharger... or a Blower. Not many that i know are powered by Turbochargers.

the early honda's, like the CVCC 600 was rwd... if im not mistaken... and i do believe the S2K is also. Im not a honda buff, so im not one to ask.

Depending on the year of the Corvette, with todays technology you can swap out the tired old 350 with a Vortec 350 with 330hp/380tq... which is about 50-65% more than what was stock on anything Corvette from like 74-82... those years Corvettes werent all that fast. Just make sure to make the Vortec 350 EFI for more ponies.


Hope i was helpfull.

currently only 2 hondas are RWD. one is the S2K and the other is a NSX. and about being a tofu crew. you have to ask Tom_S8. in the initial D forums. but i haven't heard from him in ages!! sooooo i dunno. but might as well try right?

you shouldnt even consider a civic when the acura rsx is out there... come on think about it. My RSX is almost as fast as a cobra.

you shouldnt even consider a civic when the acura rsx is out there... come on think about it. My RSX is almost as fast as a cobra.

Not everyone's mommy n daddy will buy them an RSX for their first car...:bandit:

Rsx is nice but its only got a 2.0 200hp not a big enuff engine for me you can only mod a RSX so far before you have to do some heavy mods.

And i dont want a honda i just wanted to know if they had any Rwd ones

YO Captain... you got a twin turbo huh? I really hope you're being sarcastic... I dont know of any twin turbo 4 cylinders that work well..

its called 17 grand at a racing store.. and it works fine, and your assuming that the audi tt doesnt work very well either.. right?

Let me get this straight:

A base RSX Type S starts around $24K. You put a $17K TT set up on it, plus your other modifications. You have over $41K in your car. WTF for??? For that amount of bank you could have gotten a TT Supra, a 03 Cobra, any 98-02 LS1 F-body, a slew of old muscle car beasts (restored or not), or hell, even a used Z06. All of these have more potential then your RSX will ever have, just because of your motor limitations (size, life with TT set up).

Why just waste perfectly good money, I mean I understand working on a car and making it your own. Why start with an RSX Type S when you have at least $17k+ to work with afterwards???

Just doesn't make sense...

c'mon guys, isnt it obvious hes just making his car up? his mod list sounds exactly like the "3 honda civics with spoon motors, turbos and NOS, and motec system exhaust" line in the fast and the furious.



man, wrx's are a lot harder to be quick off the line in that most people think. rev it all the way to redline, hell put your foot on the floor with it bouncing off the rev limiter, and drop the clutch, it will still bog. not to mention your clutch and tranny wont last too long like that. its even harder in an rs/ts like mine, even less power. its all about slipping the clutch JUST right to keep it from bogging, err kinda yanking on it a couple times, i dunno how to describe it. its possible to get 1.9 60ft's in a stock 2.5rs if you can drive it well, but its also very possible to get 2.4's if you cant.

The audi TT isnt a twin turbo...