AWD to RWD Conversion...

Hi,
i was wondering if its possible to convert a 1992 AWD imported Japanese market Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT-VR4) to a RWD?
Cheers

I know a 94 has done it.

Possible? Yes. Why do you want a RWD?

I don't see why anyone would want to convert AWD to RWD. AWD>RWD

^^ Not to a lot of people. This has been discussed a trillion times in the racing>non-specific section.

drifting it maybe! i've had it since 1995 done only 50k miles and been in storage for the past 3 years! a mint car but Mitsi GTOs are not very sought after in New Zealand so i thought instead of buying a rear wheel drive car i just convert this one and drift it:) it was an Automatic when i bought it and then i conveted it to manual 5spd!
cheers

An auto AWD 3/S? Hmmm...I think someone has seen one to many previews for the new F&F Tokyo Drift. J/k

all Mitsubishi GTO's sold in NZ are 4WD! Auto and manual. TT ones come only with manual transmission. theres no front wheel drive GTO's in tha land down under :)

An auto AWD 3/S? Hmmm...I think someone has seen one to many previews for the new F&F Tokyo Drift. J/k
Yup we in the land of North America were screwed over and werent offered a AWD NA. All 3000gt's/GTO's outside of the US/Canada are AWD and some were autos.

And as for wanting to drift this may be an opinion but drifting is not only a waste of tires, but a waste of life. Its not even a sport. Sure I want a high horsepower RWD that could kick the ass end out at any time I romp the throttle, but to go out and try to "impress" judges with putting a car on the edge of losing control is stupid. Drifting is a fad and it will die off in a very short time. There is my :2cents:

how would it be done? i know that on the skyline 4wd system you only have to disconnect a 4wd fuse, what about on the vr4

the conversion done on likes of WRX and Skylines before as they are RWD base cars. i suspect all 4WD 3000GT's are FWD base so it might be an impossible job sadly :( im not sure so thats what im tryin to find out here!

Bret Brinkman on 3si modified the planetary gears to where the tranny only sent power thru the t case to the rear wheels. Its not really a good way to go about it though because the t case is a weak link in the drivetrain. It also seems to absorb some of the extra power you should gain from going to powering only 2 wheels instead of 4. There are a few vids of his car floating around. He was at a Nopi event and entered the burn out contest.

And BTW yes the GTO/3000gt/Stealths are ALL FWD based.

hi mate
i must agree with ya driftin not bein a sport! its more as a show event than anything else eventhough it requires some skills. not sure about bein just a fad. the biggest advantage of drifting is being a very affordable way to enter motorsport world! lots of drift cars are almost normal street legal cars. its relatively cheap to buy, setup a drift car and compete therefore i do believe drifting is here to stay and it only gets bigger and more glamourous as time goes by.
thanks

The problem is you have young dumb kids who think they are gods and go out and hurt themselves or some innocent person. There arent many D1 events even held in the states so there is no "safe" places to be drifting. The only reason it even became popular in teh states is because its the latest "yo JDM tyte" thing and ricers will follow anything.

Back on topic, RWD makes a 3s lose a significant ammount of time in the 1/4.

even if its possible to convert an AWD 3's to RWD i just not sure if its worth it! its already cost me some to convert it to manual transmission and then theres the 4WS system as well. i dont know if ya can turn that thing off too!!!
i think im better off buy a RWD Silvia/200SX instead and forget about this. i just thought it would be good to be different.

You can take the 4Ws off but from what I have heard its not worth the hassle. And it wouldnt screw up a drift anymore considering it only turns 1.5 degrees.

Okay, just to dispell the rumor that it can't be done, heres an article from last years 3S magazine.


Laying some stripes- Bret Brinkmann's REAR wheel drive VR4

Well folks, hands down this has to be the most unique car featured in this magazine. Exterior? Stock. Interior? Stock. Engine? Nearly stock. Drivetrain? I think we have some explaining to do!

About a year ago, Bret Brinkmann was reading a thread at 3si that was discussing RWD verses AWD. One member stated how he disliked AWD because it restricts the car after the launch and that if the 3/S was RWD, it would have a better quearter mile without a significant loss in the 60 foot times. Bret, an engineer by trade, immediately thought of a way to convert the 3/S AWD drivetrain to RWD. The solution was pretty simple. Weld up the planet gears in the planetary assembly. This gives a constent unvarying 50/50 torque split. Next he removed the ring gear on the front differential. That way the pinion gear is the only part of the front diff getting torque. Since the pinion gear (with no load on it) requires virtually no torque, all the torque goes to the rear wheels.

So, what are the results? Bret can start out at part throttle in first at 2000 RPM, floor it, and by 2700 RPM's the rear end breaks loose, the rear right tire lifts up out a little as the chassis flexes, and the wheels spin all the way to redline.

So, what about those quarter-mile times? Everyone was convinced AWD would be faster in the 1320, with a slightly slower 60' but bigger top-end. However, upon Bret's maiden voyage the car felt significantly slower. His times tell the whole story: in AWD form his best run was a 13.9 @102. In RWD form the best he could muster was a 14.5@95. The car would spin through first, spin second for a bit, and chirp third.

Don't think this experiment is futile, however. Bret has plenty of ideaas in store. He is currently trying to break something in the rear end (2nd gear 7K RPM clutch dumpst havn't worked yet!). This fun research should give us all some insight as to the weak links in the rear of our cars. Plus, heck, what else is there to do with a bunch of old tires than to smoke them off ant turn them into rubber vapor? We're happy to report this VR4 is now doing its job in that regard.




:smokin:

Buy a 240. These cars are rare enough...no need to butcher them.

How to on RWD.

Weld center diff and remove front ring gear.
Remove front axles.
Done.

^talskinny, I thought someone on here said that you were doing a RWD conversion for your project, is that true???


I'd pretty much do what govert said, but a 240, or a silvia or whatever, becuase they're light, RWD, and can make good power.

^yes, and if you put it into the wall while drifting, it will be easier to repair or find another one.

Actually, I'd go with a miata but thats just me :-p

i <3 my silvia

Actually, I'd go with a miata but thats just me :-p

are there miatas in New Zeland???

are there miatas in New Zeland???
yeah but they are called the mx5

And as for wanting to drift this may be an opinion but drifting is not only a waste of tires, but a waste of life. Its not even a sport. Sure I want a high horsepower RWD that could kick the ass end out at any time I romp the throttle, but to go out and try to "impress" judges with putting a car on the edge of losing control is stupid. Drifting is a fad and it will die off in a very short time. There is my :2cents:

Drifting a fad? maybe where you are but its actually huge in Japan, AND getting bigger in little ol NZ. You gotta have alot of "SKILL AND BALLZ" to do this type of motorsport style.

if you dont like this clip then there is definetly something wrong
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/34291/a_drift/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/34291/a_drift/):smokin:

:2cents:

^why the fuck would anyone want to drift in a 69' charger... that's like that mustang with the RB engine in it, it's just a big no-no.

Why would someone drift in a 69 charger.........easy.......TORQUE

As far as my RWD project, I was going to try and put a v8 in a stealth and make it RWD. I realized I didnt have the money to do it so I sold the shell. Im hoping to someday, just not right now.

^why the fuck would anyone want to drift in a 69' charger... that's like that mustang with the RB engine in it, it's just a big no-no.

thats the general lee on the movie dukes of hazard. you gotta admit that was a mean drift tho :grinyes: . all good to drift anything with power like that... all comes down to style :smokin:

Plenty of big cars have made it into Formula D. Look at Matt Hubinett and the Viper. Huge ass car, huge ass wins.

Dont forget the GTO (i cant remember the guys name that drives it for some reason, im sure ill remember right after i post this lol)

Edit: I knew i would remember, his name is ries millen.

Why would someone drift in a 69 charger.........easy.......TORQUE

As far as my RWD project, I was going to try and put a v8 in a stealth and make it RWD. I realized I didnt have the money to do it so I sold the shell. Im hoping to someday, just not right now.


lol lemme re-phrase that for you; why would someone drift in a 69 charger and risk fucking it up.

Rhys Millen.

Come on now....i remembered the name, you want me to spell it right too? lol j/k.

lol lemme re-phrase that for you; why would someone drift in a 69 charger and risk fucking it up.

People drift other cars that are worth more. So why not?

^I suppose, it's just that so many are either rotting in junk yards, or were wrecked as stunt doubles in the movie and the dukes of hazard series.

i know the easiest way to convert a 3kgt into a RWD ........get a shot gun... shoot the front 2 tires then yourself in the head for being an idiot lol :devil:
im just kidding :rofl:

that drift was MEAN though i have to admit doing that takes balls but think if someone was crossing the street around the corner.... NO way to stop in time

I wonder what that brett guy would have run in the 1/4 if he had a some slicks or a decent set of tires that wouldn't break loose...I hate our T-case, it scares me.

I wonder what that brett guy would have run in the 1/4 if he had a some slicks or a decent set of tires that wouldn't break loose...I hate our T-case, it scares me.
Tires breaking loose isnt the issue. The T case seems to soak up some of the extra power that should be gained. Now if tehre were a way to eliminate the T case and run with no restrictions to the rear diff then that would be a different story.