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What is the difference between short and long blocks?

A short block will come with the block of course, but will have the rotating assembly (crankshaft, connecting rods, and pistons) installed. Sometimes that have a cam installed with would mean it should come with timing gears and a timing cover installed.

A long block with come as a short block but it will have heads on it as well. Also should come with an oil pan.

A short block will come with the block of course, but will have the rotating assembly (crankshaft, connecting rods, and pistons) installed. Sometimes that have a cam installed with would mean it should come with timing gears and a timing cover installed.

A long block with come as a short block but it will have heads on it as well. Also should come with an oil pan.

what!?!:uhoh:

ok...took me a sec to realize what you were saying. this is true for crate motors.

short vs long block (http://www.hiperformer.com/engine_basics/long_vs_short.html)

it also depends on the context you are talking about. my truck has a long block--the spacing between the cylinders is thicker--giving the engine a longer stretched appearance. some other cars have short blocks--the spacing is thinner between cylinders(most of the time 4 cyls are like this, but there a few 4 cyl long blocks)

jeep is another "long block" maker--they have a 6 cyl long block.
chevy is notorious for these things also--they have a v8 long block for some of the trucks

of course--this isn't to be confused with small block and big block

small vs big block (http://www.hiperformer.com/engine_basics/small_vs_big.html)

Lol I had alot of typos in the earlier post.

But, you may wanna re-read your link there. It says basically the same thing I said. The difference between short block & long blocks is simply the stage of assembly. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with the piston spacing...
Take for instance a 5.0/302, since this is the mustang forum. Are you saying that there are both short block and long block versions of this motor? If so then you need not offer any more advice, because there is no such thing. Like I said the only way short blocks and long blocks differ is dependant on the stage of assembly. Yes you can buy short block or long block crate motors. But, they both will share the same block, piston spacing, whatever. I think you have some very wrong information there.

directory: "my truck has a long block--the spacing between the cylinders is thicker--giving the engine a longer stretched appearance. some other cars have short blocks--the spacing is thinner between cylinders(most of the time 4 cyls are like this, but there a few 4 cyl long blocks)

jeep is another "long block" maker--they have a 6 cyl long block.
chevy is notorious for these things also--they have a v8 long block for some of the trucks"

There is nothing correct about this statement. I will agree that chevy sells "long blocks" for some of their trucks, but as I have said, that is just a stage of assembly. The term "long block" in no way means the block is physically longer than a short block assembly of the same motor. I think you are very confused.

The short block on my V8 SHO ran $17,000 usd ;_; Damn Ford rip-off

short vs long block (http://www.hiperformer.com/engine_basics/long_vs_short.html)

it also depends on the context you are talking about. my truck has a long block--the spacing between the cylinders is thicker--giving the engine a longer stretched appearance. some other cars have short blocks--the spacing is thinner between cylinders(most of the time 4 cyls are like this, but there a few 4 cyl long blocks)

jeep is another "long block" maker--they have a 6 cyl long block.
chevy is notorious for these things also--they have a v8 long block for some of the trucks

of course--this isn't to be confused with small block and big block

small vs big block (http://www.hiperformer.com/engine_basics/small_vs_big.html)

I also realized another mistake in your posting you said your truck I think you mean mid sized SUV.

I also realized another mistake in your posting you said your truck I think you mean mid sized SUV.

bah...

It has absolutely nothing at all to do with the piston spacing...
Take for instance a 5.0/302, since this is the mustang forum. Are you saying that there are both short block and long block versions of this motor? ..

not saying that at all. notice in my original post--i didn't mention anything about ford motors...right?

I think you have some very wrong information there..

not wrong, appearantly i was refering to a few engines that you aren't aware of. and that's ok--

you are correct when you state that long/short block refers to a stage of assmbly--i'm not denying you that.

i was also letting him know that depending on the engine manufacturers--the term long/ short block does also refer to the length between the front and back (respectively as appearing in the vehicle). again--this statement isn't a general statement and doesn't refer to every engine ever made--just a few.

I also said "for instance" on the 302 example.

I think we just have a misunderstanding and a possible difference in terminology. For instance, Jeep's 4.0 6cyl motor, I call it a straight 6. Are you calling it a "long block" 6 cyl? If thats what you meant then now I understand what you where talking about and I think we can call it a difference in terminology.

But, this being the Mustang forum I think its fair to say that the original question here was probably about the difference between short block and long block crate engines.

The term "Long Block" in reference to engine size died out about the same time people stopped calling Flat Heads "H" blocks.

Anyways a Long Block use to be any inline engine measuring over 256ci/
650.25cc

Thanks for the clarification. After his last reply I figured he meant something like that.

I'm 32 and have been into cars since I was 8. I have NEVER heard of a straight 6 or an old straight 8 refered to as a "long block". The only way I have ever heard the terms short block/long block is for how they are assembled, with heads (and other parts) or without. I agree with 351 on this one.

I think Passport boy is smokin the good stuff.....What the hell is a Passport? Is that an Izuzu or Honda?

Ah....I see in your avatar. It's a Honda. Honda is known for it's quality. But I could NEVER buy one knowing that the Japanese sneak attacked us 60 years ago. Yes, they probably are made here but, who gets the majority of the money for each car? The Japanese. Not the American worker or American company!

You're probably saying that was 60 years ago get over it. Then let me ask you this. Would you buy a car made by Iraq or Afganastan 40-60 years from now? I SURE AS HELL WOULD NOT!!!!!!!!

Ah....I see in your avatar. It's a Honda. Honda is known for it's quality. But I could NEVER buy one knowing that the Japanese sneak attacked us 60 years ago.
I would do a little research on the Commodore Perry's & Townsend Harris's Japanese Naval Campaign and the events leading up to the Convention of Kanagawa before criticizing Japan's actions towards the United States.

You're probably saying that was 60 years ago get over it. Then let me ask you this. Would you buy a car made by Iraq or Afganastan 40-60 years from now? I SURE AS HELL WOULD NOT!!!!!!!!
I want you to go through your house and burn or trash everything from the following countries: Cuba, Mexico, United Kingdom, France, Spain, Portugal, Afghanistan, Japan, Algeria, Greece, Nicaragua, Korea, Chili, Syria, Honduras, Turkey, China, Hawaii, Russia, Germany, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Cambodia, Philippines, Lybia, Taiwan, Dominican Republic, Persia(Iran), Guatemala, Italy and Samoa.

Those are all countries I can remember off-hand that have attacked the United States of America.

If you are going to a bigot towards one country that attacked the United States do so towards all of the countries that attacked United States. Also the Confederacy of the United States of America attacked the Union so don't buy anything that comes from the Southern United States.

Ah....I see in your avatar. It's a Honda.

Yes, they probably are made here but, who gets the majority of the money for each car? The Japanese. Not the American worker or American company!

the passport only has honda badging--it's made by isuzu. if you look under the hood--there are many GM parts.

--you will find that GM owns half (maybe more) of isuzu. so a lot of the parts on my truck are american made...go figure.

you aren't going to find any car in the u.s., let alone --made by u.s. companies, that are completely 100% using american made parts.

Then let me ask you this. Would you buy a car made by Iraq or Afganastan 40-60 years from now? I SURE AS HELL WOULD NOT!!!!!!!!

why not? we brought war to their door step recently and they are buying our cars...

I would do a little research on the Commodore Perry's & Townsend Harris's Japanese Naval Campaign and the events leading up to the Convention of Kanagawa before criticizing Japan's actions towards the United States.


I want you to go through your house and burn or trash everything from the following countries: Cuba, Mexico, United Kingdom, France, Spain, Portugal, Afghanistan, Japan, Algeria, Greece, Nicaragua, Korea, Chili, Syria, Honduras, Turkey, China, Hawaii, Russia, Germany, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Cambodia, Philippines, Lybia, Taiwan, Dominican Republic, Persia(Iran), Guatemala, Italy and Samoa.

Those are all countries I can remember off-hand that have attacked the United States of America.



If you are going to a bigot towards one country that attacked the United States do so towards all of the countries that attacked United States. Also the Confederacy of the United States of America attacked the Union so don't buy anything that comes from the Southern United States.

OK....It's been awhile since history class. Please. Refresh my memory on why Japan attack us.

As for throwing away everything in my house. That's easier said than done these days. You know we can't buy all products made in the U.S.A anymore. That's also the "typical" answer that SOME people have for that statement. But, we do have a choice in some products that we purchase, like cars, shoes, furniture, and I'm sure others I can't think of right now.

As for being a "bigot". I'm not being a bigot or racist at all. I feel the same way about German, Italian and British cars. Although I will admitt I like Ferrari's and Lamorghini's. I just don't think that we should support them with the things we purchase. I know, Ford is joint with Volvo, Jaguar, and Land Rover, I know. And other U.S. companies are joint with other foriegn companies. But atleast when I buy a Ford I'm not directly helping the foriegn company. Here's one that will trow ya. In high school I dated a girl that came over from Russia. Sorry, I don't know the names of any Russian cars. If I did I would hate them also. Just because I dislike or do not want to support (sometimes we don't have a choice) a product or the country that product was made does not mean I hate the people.

the passport only has honda badging--it's made by isuzu. if you look under the hood--there are many GM parts.

--you will find that GM owns half (maybe more) of isuzu. so a lot of the parts on my truck are american made...go figure.

you aren't going to find any car in the u.s., let alone --made by u.s. companies, that are completely 100% using american made parts.



why not? we brought war to their door step recently and they are buying our cars...


Don't forget Toyota aswell.

Yes, I know, unfortunately no car is 100% made in U.S.A. anymore.

As for the war, I can't argue that one (plus this isn't the place for it). Plus, Iraq and Afganastan don't make cars. So they have to buy "foriegn" cars. I assume they have mostly Toyotas. That's mostly what you see on the news in that area.

OK....It's been awhile since history class. Please. Refresh my memory on why Japan attack us.
Manifest Desitny and Modernaztion.

Japan was an isolate country they did not wan to deal with the US because of bad dealing they had with Dutch and Portugese. The United States in a display of Naval power attacked a port town in Japan killing as many as 50,000 unarmed civilians in attempt to force Japan to trade with the United States.

As for the war, I can't argue that one (plus this isn't the place for it). Plus, Iraq and Afganastan don't make cars. So they have to buy "foriegn" cars. I assume they have mostly Toyotas. That's mostly what you see on the news in that area.

Most cars found in embargo'd countries are pre-persian gulf GM cars. But the people that get new cars tend to use Tata, Kia, Sapia, Adam Motors and Mahindra.

I should research that again, not doubting you. Just sayin I should remember how it all started and I don't remember that.

Interesting about the cars. Never heard of any you listed except Kia. Where are the others from?

Sorry if I came off alittle abrasive earlier. I was trying to get you going. I'm not as closed minded as I sounded earlier (did I just say that?). Although I do feel that way (about buying a foriegn car). But I'm not that bad. Like I said before, I like Ferrari, Lamborghini, and I actually like BMW's. I didn't until I was working at a Ford dealership and drove one. I'll just say it was...bitter/sweet. I also like the Mazda 6 and Speed 6. They are joint with Ford, so I guess that would be OK. Nah, I'll just stick with Ford and some GM's.

Interesting about the cars. Never heard of any you listed except Kia. Where are the others from?
Tata
India based automotive company and 4th largest automotive company in the world by volume.
Kia
South Korea's oldest automotive manufacturer and a member of the Hyundai Group. Through Kia's subsidiary company Asia Motor it supplies much of the Middle East with automotive products and currently develops aftermarket products for GM, Daimler Chrysler and Ford for sale in the Middle East.
Saipa
Iran's leading car company it primarily leases European and Japanese cars for production and distribution throughout the Middle East.
Adam Motors
A Pakistan based company with a world wide reputation for delivering some of the best truck, diesel and Jeep 4X4 vehicles on the market. Adam Motors is responsible for developing the Chevy Aveo, Jeep Commander and Jeep Cherokee.
Mahindra and Mahindra
Third in India for automotive sale and third in the world for farming and industrial equipment many call Mahindra the Ford of Asia.