Evo I, II, III Vs DSM

I haven't found out a lot of info and I tried to search for this topic but didn't come up with anything. I own a 90 DSM Eclipse AWD Turbo. I love the evos but can't afford one or the newer ones anyway. However there was a couple of evos that never saw american pavement. I am just going over the first couple of cars because they have a similar 4g63 engine layout meaning that the timing belt is to the right of the engine if you were looking at it vs the Left side on the latest evos.

What were the differences between the engines of these cars and the ones that we got? I know there is a turbo difference with the evo 3 16G being a favorite with the DSM people. I would like to know what else was in these japanese power plants that we didn't see in our DSM or was there not anything?

What besides the turbo can I add to my eclipse that would make it powerful like one of the evos?

Which one has the better suspension set up? The Evo or the DSM? or is this preference? I know the japanese VR-4 Galants are really close to the DSMs with parts being really easy to interchange.

So anyway just trying to start a discussion.

Thanks and post any links that might be helpful with this discussion

You're better off posting this in the DSM forum. Also, the Evo's suspension is far more sophisticated than the DSM's.

Evos had to meet WRC homologation requirements which meant, generally, much heavier duty components than the DSMs got. Better brakes, stiffer suspension components, stronger half-shafts, etc. The ECUs were tuned more agressively, intercoolers were front mounted and the engines had higher compression (8.8:1 for the Evos, 8.5:1 for the 2G DSMs and 7.8:1 for the 1Gs) and more efficient heads. All Evos before 1998 also had the anti-lag misfire system plumbing (but not the computer to run it) installed from the factory.

You can make your DSM's engine identical to the Evos', but it'll never stop or turn like one.

ive driven an evo 2, and a tsi awd... and they are 2 very different cars... if it were for the durability, and "beating on" ability i think the evo takes it... but personally i like the dsm better, its lower, its a coupe, and i like coupes. and to me it has better street manners. personnally i want to buy a 90 tsi awd. im not sure you would want to take this arguement to the dsmers though, they know thier cars really well.... and you know your car. but on evo's im not sure they know part for part whaich is better.

Evos had to meet WRC homologation requirements which meant, generally, much heavier duty components than the DSMs got. Better brakes, stiffer suspension components, stronger half-shafts, etc. The ECUs were tuned more agressively, intercoolers were front mounted and the engines had higher compression (8.8:1 for the Evos, 8.5:1 for the 2G DSMs and 7.8:1 for the 1Gs) and more efficient heads. All Evos before 1998 also had the anti-lag misfire system plumbing (but not the computer to run it) installed from the factory.

You can make your DSM's engine identical to the Evos', but it'll never stop or turn like one.

Bravo. Good post, except I disagree that you can NEVER make a DSM turn or stop like an Evo. Never say never; the aftermarket for DSM's is pretty big and it's certainly possible to make a DSM handle and stop like an Evo. That said, if you want to upgrade your DSM simply go to dsmtuners.com and buscherracing.com. Also, importtuner did up a DSM and got the best bang-for-the-buck of any car they ever modified. I think it was just a boost controller, fuel cut suppressor and a downpipe that got them more than 80 extra hp on the dyno.

dont forget too though alot of dsmers swap from the stock turbo to an evo. ( just something i remember)

i dont know why but we're not allowed to import eclipse's into NZ??? so i wouldnt have a clue on how they perform.... as for the Evo *Drools*
this is one of Chosen Few's Evo's....

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6679/chris49ga.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dude that Evo's nasty...ugly wheels, a HOLE in the hood (functional but ugly still)

im guessing you dont really know your evos :rolleyes:

...it's not a matter of "knowing your Evos". How a car looks is a matter of opinion, and he thinks the car looks nasty...and so do I.

i think its quite tough looking.

Massively oversized and overweight chrome rims don't represent toughness, they represent slowness. He could probably take two seconds off of his quarter mile time, and improve his handling to boot, just by putting a set of good, lightweight 17-inch rims on there. Other than that, it doesn't look too bad...

i agree with the rims... shiny ones were ment for show not go, and im all about the go. but they way i figure it if everything there is either functional, or add a nice show off touch it would look pretty bad ass at the stop light.

Bravo. Good post, except I disagree that you can NEVER make a DSM turn or stop like an Evo. Never say never; the aftermarket for DSM's is pretty big and it's certainly possible to make a DSM handle and stop like an Evo.


But you can do exactly the same thing to an EVO, only the aftermarket is even bigger, and includes the suport required to build a WRC rally car. You can't realisticly build a DSM to that level.


I would be very interested in know how similar the cars are though.
They share a similar platform, altough I believe the DSM is derieved more from the FTO, which is itself derived from the Lance/Cedia.


As for the EVO posted, its all show. The Choosen Few are a small "club" here who think big wheels and no suspension equals performance.

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God dammit I do NOT miss seeing shit like that at all. :p I don't think "Chosen few" were around when I left, all I remembered was the BBK and thier Ev-boes and the unbelievable retardedness of it all. I'm guessing the Chosen few are the sort of idiors think it's all sweet to drive around in 318i's and 190E 1.8's (Or have they moved onto C180's and C220's now?) on 18 inch Chrome wheels rubbing against thier bump stops, because fiddy cent would be down fo that. Dawg....

I'm guessing the Chosen few are the sort of idiors think it's all sweet to drive around in 318i's and 190E 1.8's (Or have they moved onto C180's and C220's now?) on 18 inch Chrome wheels rubbing against thier bump stops, because fiddy cent would be down fo that. Dawg....



Yip.
That is so accurate its not even funny.
And all of it is owned by a finnance company, or daddys dairy.

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God dammit I do NOT miss seeing shit like that at all. :p I don't think "Chosen few" were around when I left, all I remembered was the BBK and thier Ev-boes and the unbelievable retardedness of it all. I'm guessing the Chosen few are the sort of idiors think it's all sweet to drive around in 318i's and 190E 1.8's (Or have they moved onto C180's and C220's now?) on 18 inch Chrome wheels rubbing against thier bump stops, because fiddy cent would be down fo that. Dawg....

Chosen Few were around when BBK were around and now they one of the biggest or could be the biggest car club in NZ an they are also in Aussie. One thing i know is that they have alot of respect out there because they have done it, and been around for so long. They even have their own 10sec car. (BUKYLD). And as for cars with 18inch chrome rubbing against their bump stops, they usually on bags.
www.chosenfew.co.nz (http://www.chosenfew.co.nz)

oh an im a member of another big car club...:D

Airbags on a rally-bred homologation special are ridiculous, leave them for the kids in thier 318i's, F22 Accords or Skyline GTS, or whatever is the thing these days.

Far as I'm concerned the Chosen few are no better than the kids over here who race around in thier 106's, Opel Corsas and Puntos

Ok People on a side note here I may have a project brewing now

If you look at the back of a mitsubishi mirage (4 door) and an evo, they kind of look similar. I have been trying to figure out how these people import these cars and are able to drive them around the US. They aren't they are making them out of mirage (or accually importing them and calling them mirages)

I think it would be a fun project to make one of these cars. However the Mirage are kind of rare. (if anyone has one for sale I am very interested (4 door))
It would take a 1994-1995 4 door and rip it down completely and reasemble it with evo parts. I think I would choose to do an Evo 3 because of the engine is still in the origional position where as the evo 4 has it flipped (and good luck trying to find parts for that) Right now I am trying to figure out which parts would be interchangable. I am thinking they may share a lot of components with the Galant vr-4 and DSM hopefully. When I am done though I should get something that weighs 2800 or less, 4 door, and very good handling. What do you people think.

I am definatly going to need peoples help who own an evo 3 (looking to the people from australia NZ) to tell me how to mod or what parts look a like or what parts do I need to get it looking like a real evo

Anyway it would be a fun project

who race around in thier 106's, Opel Corsas and Puntos

those cars are slow:disappoin

those cars are slow:disappoin

Just like 90% of the shit the choosen few drive.
I live in Auckland, Iv seen them around.

And just how many members does the choosen few have? And are they actualy registered as a "club" i.e. a non profit organisation, with an elected comittie, and recognition by one of the national motorsport bodies?
And do they organise legal events, inter club compitions, car shows etc?
Or are they just a bunch of wanna be's with a common email list who can't arrange much more than some illegal burn outs in a patch of diesel around East Tamiki?

I think you will find that one of the more establish clubs, like the South Auckland Car Club would be the biggest.
I believe the Southland Car Club is currently the biggest though.

Ok People on a side note here I may have a project brewing now




If you have a search in the Lance and Mirage forums you will find some threads on just this project.
The Japanese Lance was sold in the US under both the Lancer and Mirage names depending on generation.
And I think that at the end of the day, it would be cheaper and easier to buy a US spec EVO, and modify it.

those cars are slow:disappoin



Wow, I heard that Click all the way from over here.



Seriously, Has there ever been a Chosen Few trackday? The way I gather it, is that they are a group of 16-20 year old kids from that huge suburban thing they were building at Botany (And prolly finished ages ago, I just never was there to see it :p), Glendowie-ish area and the North Shore driving 318i's and C Class' (Or completely rooted GTSt Skylines and Lancer GSR's), drive around with thier less than fortunate mates from Otara/Otahuhu and try to drag anyone next to them at the lights. (It could be grandma in her Toyota Echo and they'd still do it).


That's before proceeding to East Tamaki/Wiri to do burnouts and then whinge when pinged by the Police for being little shits. Also, do they think Hondas are Ghey boe?

Just like 90% of the shit the choosen few drive.
I live in Auckland, Iv seen them around.
well you properbly havent seen them all then...


And just how many members does the choosen few have?

im not quite sure but they have made it to Aussie aswell.


And are they actualy registered as a "club" i.e. a non profit organisation, with an elected comittie, and recognition by one of the national motorsport bodies?
And do they organise legal events, inter club compitions, car shows etc?

Yes to all.

Wow, I heard that Click all the way from over here.



Seriously, Has there ever been a Chosen Few trackday? The way I gather it, is that they are a group of 16-20 year old kids from that huge suburban thing they were building at Botany (And prolly finished ages ago, I just never was there to see it :p), Glendowie-ish area and the North Shore driving 318i's and C Class' (Or completely rooted GTSt Skylines and Lancer GSR's), drive around with thier less than fortunate mates from Otara/Otahuhu and try to drag anyone next to them at the lights. (It could be grandma in her Toyota Echo and they'd still do it).


That's before proceeding to East Tamaki/Wiri to do burnouts and then whinge when pinged by the Police for being little shits. Also, do they think Hondas are Ghey boe?

come on... you should know honda's will always get mocked :p . well not from me anyway. i love VTEK!!!:smokin: and as you said about Chosen Few... times change dude... Hell even 8ballrollin has changed. (in a good way)

faaa all this over a pic:rolleyes: :lol:

God knows, I haven't been in NZ since 2002, but for a week last December, but that's very much the way the BBK were back when I was living there.

God knows, I haven't been in NZ since 2002, but for a week last December, but that's very much the way the BBK were back when I was living there.

yea i know, ive heard they have actually finished now, cause they couldnt get the club to grow.... proberbly cause of all the sh*t that went down years ago..

Yes to all.


Then why have I never heard of any of them?

Jimster, from what Iv seen most of these guys are in the mid 20s, working at average jobs, but still live at home. So they have lots of money to throw around.
Hence the big shiny wheels on an EVO.
And the Police have done a good job of shutting down a lot of the illegal racing, it still goes on of course, just in smaller numbers (no more groups of 2,000 cars traveling in file through red lights).
Unfortunatly it now means they all cruise around at 10kph below the speed limit hoping everyone is looking at them, and thinking thier cool (yeah right).
Then when its dark, and raining, they might, if they've checked there are no cops around, try and do a burn out.

heard of who?

this is my E3 and i liked it better them my old E7 i had

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/celm74/evo%203/100_0160.jpg

Then why have I never heard of any of them?


they were around when BBK were around...have you never heard of BUKYLD? or TAADOW?