Firehawk LT4s

How rare are they really? Only 30 made in a year? For how many years and are they seriously worth 20 grand? They're the coolest formulas I've ever seen.
http://www.morrisonmotorco.com/photos/A227719-1.jpg

Minus the hood....GREAT car.

Minus the hood....GREAT car.
But the hood says "330 HP"

I think the hood makes the car; It's our opinions. Flat formulas look strange to me, and it's the same reason I prefer a reverse hood on a trans am to the ws6 hood.

Well the LT4 was only available on the firebird and camaro in '97 so I think only like 29 firebird firehawks had the LT4 engines..and it's a shame they never used the trans am style body, looks much better than the formula IMO..

Well the LT4 was only available on the firebird and camaro in '97 so I think only like 29 firebird firehawks had the LT4 engines..and it's a shame they never used the trans am style body, looks much better than the formula IMO..

I could have sworn they were made in 1996 also.

http://www.f-body.org/tech/4th_gen.htm
if you scroll down a bit to the firebird production numbers box '97 is the only year listed with LT4's

http://www.pontiac-club.com/engines.php
and same for this one..although I'm confused about the number of them becase they both say that 400 LT4 powered f-bodies were made but the first site says in one of its boxes that only 29 firehawks were made in '97 :confused:

http://www.f-body.org/tech/4th_gen.htm
if you scroll down a bit to the firebird production numbers box '97 is the only year listed with LT4's

http://www.pontiac-club.com/engines.php
and same for this one..although I'm confused about the number of them becase they both say that 400 LT4 powered f-bodies were made but the first site says in one of its boxes that only 29 firehawks were made in '97 :confused:

You think that means LT4 f-bodies other than the firehawks? found it
http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=232616
110 Camaro SS and 30 Firehawks

Well I figured the rest were camaro's I was just surprised that they made so many more than they did firebirds..

What do those things run 1/4 mile wise.

For $20K i'd buy a C5 vette. Dunno about it being worth that much. Sheesh.

Nothing can chance my mind about LS1s.. even if they make LT1212323423432 Engine.. l dont care, l want an LS1 :D

Nothing can chance my mind about LS1s.. even if they make LT1212323423432 Engine.. l dont care, l want an LS1 :D

This may seem offtopic but why do you think your LT1 is slow compared to an LS1?

What do those things run 1/4 mile wise.

For $20K i'd buy a C5 vette. Dunno about it being worth that much. Sheesh.

1/4 mile...low 13s maybe? I can't find anything official

Sure a common C5 is better but the LT4 f-body is a collector car and the fastest production f-body for it's time.

This may seem offtopic but why do you think your LT1 is slow compared to an LS1?

Numbers shows us!

Numbers shows us!
LT1 are not as far behind LS1 as you may think. A few mods and your right there. I was beating LS1 with a gear swap and my catback.

Numbers shows us!
Also Typical LT1's run low 14's , high 13's. while typical LS1 runs mid 13's to low 13's. Not a huge margin there. Typical 6 speed stock LS1's dyno around 300 mark while typical 6 speed stock LT1's dyno around 250 - 260. Thats not a lot to make up for.

Also Typical LT1's run low 14's , high 13's. while typical LS1 runs mid 13's to low 13's. Not a huge margin there. Typical 6 speed stock LS1's dyno around 300 mark while typical 6 speed stock LT1's dyno around 250 - 260. Thats not a lot to make up for.

I disagree. A few tenths of a sec. isn't as easy as alot of people make it out to be. The LS1 motor typically dynos over 30whp more then an LT1. I dunno why people say that the LT1 motor makes more rwtq earlier on in the powerband, cause judging by my dyno run I had 300rwtq at 2500 rpms on.

Of course if you wanna mod it's probably cheaper to go with the LT1, but I do honestly think that the LS1 is more reliable (No optispark bs to deal with).

I've raced alot of LT1's and the races weren't close. They had mods, I have mods, but the results were the same.

I disagree. A few tenths of a sec. isn't as easy as alot of people make it out to be. The LS1 motor typically dynos over 30whp more then an LT1. I dunno why people say that the LT1 motor makes more rwtq earlier on in the powerband, cause judging by my dyno run I had 300rwtq at 2500 rpms on.

Of course if you wanna mod it's probably cheaper to go with the LT1, but I do honestly think that the LS1 is more reliable (No optispark bs to deal with).

I've raced alot of LT1's and the races weren't close. They had mods, I have mods, but the results were the same.
To each there own but Opti aren't as huge a issue as most people make them out to be generally they go around 100K (which is alot of mile before it becomes a issue). This is ofcourse assuming you don't have a crappy water pump. Also I can give you a million different examples on how to drop a few tenths off a stock 14 second car. Once you start getting into 12's and lower. Yes it is more difficult to drop tenths but thats not the case on stock LT1. I have also raced a ton of LS1 from when I first got my car til now and even in near stock form 0 - 100MPH was very very close.

and that good old iron block lasts longer than aluminum..actually I don't know if thats true but I also like the less flashy styling of the LT1's over the LS1's..and of course I love third gens the best..:grinyes:

and that good old iron block lasts longer than aluminum..actually I don't know if thats true
that is true. the iron block is heavier but stronger

^^^sweet^^^

and that good old iron block lasts longer than aluminum..
This is why you build an iron block 402 LSx. :grinyes:

Also Typical LT1's run low 14's , high 13's. while typical LS1 runs mid 13's to low 13's. Not a huge margin there. Typical 6 speed stock LS1's dyno around 300 mark while typical 6 speed stock LT1's dyno around 250 - 260. Thats not a lot to make up for.

But still LS1 bigger and newer.. aslo 1 SECOND is a great time on track. for example cobras are like low-mid-high 12s. which means they are 1 sec. faster than LS1s.. and this makes them TERMINATOR.. and l believe they are more relaible than LT1s.. but about sound, l think LT1 gives much much more aggressive sound then LS1s..

But still LS1 bigger and newer.. and l believe they are more relaible than LT1s.. but about sound, l think LT1 gives much much more aggressive sound then LS1s..
Bigger how so?. As for more reliable, any car thats kept in good tune and has regular maintance will treat you good as well. Both engines have been known for having specific issue's but I can honestly say that I have never had a problem directly related to my Engine. I have had issue's with fuel injectors and my fuel pump. I have had issue's with a fuel injector clip coming loose and setting a code. I have had issue's with my air pump blowing a fuse (which the air pump is scrapped now) but nothing directly linked to my LT1 being unreliable. Alot of the supporting equipment is much more unreliable than a LT1 but alot of those same components are also used on LS1's. I have said this a million times but I think it is the truest thing I know about the comparison. Out of the box, LS1 is definetly superior power wise but LT1 easily equals the playing field and is cheaper to mod. Also as has been mentioned you can take the cast iron block that the LT1 uses farther cause of the strength difference between Iron and aluminum. To most people this is a important issue cause as most people find out once they get the performance bug. Your never done making her faster.

But still LS1 bigger and newer..

bigger? not at all, both LS1's and LT1's are 5.7L

bigger? not at all, both LS1's and LT1's are 5.7L

AHA!!!!!!

the LT1 is a 350 and the LS1 is a 346, pwned!

(doesn't know for sure, someone back me up before I look like an ass)

You are right.
LT1 is an actual 350.
LS1 is a 346.

Of course...there is always the 402 LSx. :grinyes:

well good, cause I was backing up the LT1, so its actually bigger than the LS1, sweet..

You are right.
LT1 is an actual 350.
LS1 is a 346.

Of course...there is always the 402 LSx. :grinyes:

Where did you find that engine anyway?

To stay ontopic, the LT4 is a 350 also right? Just built with better internals than an LT1.

The LT4 is exactly the same block as used on all Corvette (which is the 4 bolt main 350 LT1 cast marked 327). If is just factory hot rodded. Here is a page with the differences http://www.grandsportregistry.com/lt1vslt4.htm

Where did you find that engine anyway?
Find???
It is a GM truck block. LQ9 block, LS1 internals.
The newer GM blocks have interchangable parts.

when l said bigger, l meant POWER not engine size..

when l said bigger, l meant POWER not engine size..
I agree for you a LS1 might be a better idea only cause your not really as familiar with modifying cars and don't really have the experience yet to start improving performance yourself. So alot of the mods may require you having someone else install them which costs bucks. So a LS1 is pretty quick car right in stock form,.

I agree for you a LS1 might be a better idea only cause your not really as familiar with modifying cars and don't really have the experience yet to start improving performance yourself. So alot of the mods may require you having someone else install them which costs bucks. So a LS1 is pretty quick car right in stock form,.

if my LT1 would have low miles (60k or less) l wouldnt even thinking about getting an LS1. l have heard that LT1s with ported heads and a good cam makes over 450rwhp. THAT WOULD BE PLENTY FOR ME. but it has very high miles and can't handle any mods.. so since l got chance to get another car. l would like to go with newer model and more powerfull one.. dont get me wrong guys..

l am a ''BIG'' f-body fan.. no matter which year and which power they have..

Erdal

How many miles you have?

How many miles you have?

133k miles and l bought her at 124.5k miles on it.. but we found out it had odometer frough or whatever you guys call.. so technicly unknown real mileage but on the clock 133k

133k miles and l bought her at 124.5k miles on it.. but we found out it had odometer frough or whatever you guys call.. so technicly unknown real mileage but on the clock 133k

That's funny, my friend found an LS1 Firehawk with 131k. My jaw dropped, It's a 1999 firehawk with that many miles and was selling for about 9 grand. I just don't understand how a 99 car gets THAT many miles, especially a collector car.

there's a guy on thecarspace.com who has a '00 TA with 223,000 miles on it :eek2:

oh yeah and did that guy buy that? he posted a thread about it a little while ago..

133k miles and l bought her at 124.5k miles on it.. but we found out it had odometer frough or whatever you guys call.. so technicly unknown real mileage but on the clock 133kWell unfortunetly with that many "at least miles". I guess your right about not wanting to go too crazy as you could very well be limited on how much longer she will stay together. However I have seen well taken care of LT1's last double that without a issue but unfortunetly I am sure the past of the car is a little sketchie if one of the owners needed to set back the odometer.

That's funny, my friend found an LS1 Firehawk with 131k. My jaw dropped, It's a 1999 firehawk with that many miles and was selling for about 9 grand. I just don't understand how a 99 car gets THAT many miles, especially a collector car.
Did what they were supposed to do with it.

Drive it. :grinyes:

Did what they were supposed to do with it.

Drive it. :grinyes:

*cough*8k miles*cough*

I just think it's extremely odd that a 99 LS1 at all has that many miles already.

oh yeah and did that guy buy that? he posted a thread about it a little while ago..

Did he own an automatic fourth gen camaro? that's him. He said he didn't want the car because of the mileage. I agree with him.

*cough*8k miles*cough*

I just think it's extremely odd that a 99 LS1 at all has that many miles already.
It is 7 years old.
My 2001 Grand Am has 80,000.

Of course, my 1999 WS.6 has 30,600. :icon16:

It is 7 years old.
My 2001 Grand Am has 80,000.

Of course, my 1999 WS.6 has 30,600. :icon16:

I heard 8k somewhere, were you referring to the 402 or did I hear the 8k from someone else?