found b16a1 & bought pr4

ok,
I'm going back to the tracks on friday,hopfully (if not ran)
I was looking for a pg7,pm7 or just a integra form the junkyard,
so I could get the ecu,run again,,,just to hit that high 15 mark,anyways,
I ended up seeing a b16a1 out of a 90 teg,manual,
the cluster had 77k on it,it had the motor,dizzy,intake,tranny,axels & all!!!,
it was actually very clean looking
the whole half of the car was cut in half,lol,welded on to another car,
anyways,I took the PR4 ecu,I took a list of ecu's that work with our obd0 cars,hoping i could get a little bit faster one then this pm6,
(to run at the tracks,)my brother's mazda 626 thinks hes going to beat me this time,by putting his 14's on,
so I put the pr4 ecu in my car today & took it for a drive,
my pm6 redlined at 7200 in 1st gear & like 6800-7000 in all other gears,
the pr4 redlined out at 6800 in 1st gear & I kind of slowed down & was like huhhhh.....
not sure if I felt any difference,(but I think I did,...not sure)
I know the A/F gauges dont really work,but when I installed the pr4 it stayed on rich the whole time,when usally its ideal,( i read up on the pr4 alot today)
so I tried somthing new,if it did help my car out by a couple of tenths of seconds,just to hit the 15's,then I really wouldn't notice it,
but my whole plan has changed on my car,
he wants 600.00 for everything,motor,tranny,axels,ext....
I'm jumping all over it,I know theres probably another 500-600 that I need to put into the motor,mounts,tune up,timing belt,brakes,ext...
but its well worth it,
I'm very happy to be going to b series w/soon 2 b turbo,
can't wait,
they also have a 89 prelude b series motor out there,already out & in the garage,I didn't get to see what model of motor it is,but I took a quick look at it,hes only wanting 300.00 for it,without any trans,
so my questions & posts will be up in about a month or so,
because I'm holding back all my money for this swap,
but I'm still going down the track this friday with the pr4 & pm6,..lol
I got my money on smokin a junkedout camaro,heavy-azz d16y8 & a 626...
they aint gotta chance to this d15....seriously

pr4 wouldnt run a b16. well i guess it kinda would, but not really since a pr4 is a 90-93 integra rs, ls, and gs ecu. you sure it was a b16?

the b series from the prelude is trash, the red headed step son of b series, stay away from it.

the b series from the prelude is trash, the red headed step son of b series, stay away from it.
:iamwithst

yea this was a 90 integra,with a pr4 inside,
I thought 4 sure it said b16a1,

well you might already know this but that could have been easily mistaken for b18a1 wich is the motor that comes in the 90-93 tegs. but hey maybe you will be luckey. and good luck i just put a b16a in my crx with a turbo and hope to get it running soon. let us know. and i heard the b20 out of the preludes are hard to get into the crx or somthin like that. but trust hybrid he knows. oh and even if it is a b18a1 check the miles and then you could pull that out for a turbo. i hear the b18a1 is close to best for the b series turbos

You put a B18a1 ecu in your car that is why you're running rich. You have a sohc 1.6 and are running a dohc 1.8 ecu. Congratulations for fucking up your car. You really should have just left the pm6 alone.

i dont really see how anyone could mistake a b18a for a b16a the valve covers are totally different, and even if the valve cover was gone, a quick look at the cams would tell you.

i dont really see how anyone could mistake a b18a for a b16a the valve covers are totally different, and even if the valve cover was gone, a quick look at the cams would tell you.

this is true. very easy to tell apart.

ok,this thread went a little bit far,
mostly on turtle telling me that I fucked up my car,...lol
I knew what engine it was coming from,& what the different fuel settings & ign curves would be,(I read up on ppl that done the ecu swap)
man I just swapped ecus & seen how it runs,
I done alot of searching on ecus(obd0's) whatever & found alot of ecus that run the 1.6 engine,mainly just the MPFI....
from my knowledge they run exactly the same,(pm6 & pr4)
& I needed the ecu or another one to run the b series engine,

& on another subject about what engine it is,
I looked at the engine code on the front,
it said B16A1,
I had to double look incase it said b18,
which I would of probably liked a b18 better then the b16,
not really sure which ones better but it for sure said,b16a1,
I'll be honest you guys are leading me to believe that it said b18,
but I double looked & it said b16,
not that this is all a big deal,both would be great over this d15,
but the numbers 6 & 8 are pretty close in common,
just a half a circle off on the top 6..lol
but I'm saving my money up right now,hes a good guy,I think he would let the setup go for 500.00
I'll have it in a month.

another thing,the valve coiver on the car looked like this:
http://brainerdstreetracing.com/Dave/b16a1.jpg
(but it didn't have the words,DOHC Vtec,(just the honda symbol & honda motors co.)

it did not look like this:(with the lined blocks on the valve cover)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura-Integra-b18a1-Engine-for-swap-to-Civic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQitemZ80207 89267QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

I was only stating what has already been done by somebody else on this forum... *cough*Derek*cough*. The PR4 ecu dumps more fuel because it is meant for an engine that has 2 cams and more displacement. Putting this ecu on a single cam engine with less displacement will cause a negative effect. But you already knew this.

I was only stating what has already been done by somebody else on this forum... *cough*Derek*cough*. The PR4 ecu dumps more fuel because it is meant for an engine that has 2 cams and more displacement. Putting this ecu on a single cam engine with less displacement will cause a negative effect. But you already knew this.

but thanks for stating the truth about the swap,
just so happens if I didn't know,I would of known now..lol
so would the pr4 ecu go good with this engine..?
or is the pg7 & pm7 still on the map?

Could it have been a d16a1? or did they stop in the 88 integra?

ok,
I done alot of searching just now & the only thing I could find,
is that a 90 teg is a b18a1....
but I know for sure it said 16,but it could of said d16a1 & me not looking close enough for a little change like that,
but I really thought the whole thing just said b16a1,
could of been a swap is what im thinking,
& if thats true then the 77k on the cluster is wroung!
to get down to it,
I'm going to have to drive all the way across city again
just to see what type of engine this is,
maybe pick somthing little off the car....

i think he said it was a 90 integra not sure tho. but isnt it illegal to put a d16a1 into a 90 teg. since the year differance. and you cant put a older motor in a new car right?

its not illegal to put in a d16a1 but really stupid seein as how that motor is slower then a d15. but a b16 is a common swap in integras, and he prob was runnin his pr4 cause it will run that motor with a v-tec controller or jus never had the v-tec hooked up.

a pr4 running a b16 would suck, it would rev limit around 7k and no have the correct fuel maps at all, and would throw a lot of codes for knock sensor and what not.

and a d16a1 in a teg will be legal as long as its still obd0. i think the d16a7 came in the 1st gen tegs.

yeah the ecu does suck but it would run, u could use a pm6 or pg7 and it would workm never said the orignal owner was intelligent. might have been a7 not a1 but either way the motor sucks ass.

uhhhh you sure about a pm6 running a dohc motor?

yea seen it done also seen a p28 runnin a gsr. i know for a fact the p28 works the gsr casue that was what was runnin my crx before i swapped the motor n ecu out. u would think it wouldent but it works, just puts on the check engine light.

im heading out to the tracks again,
this time a bunch of ppl's going,I gotta hurry & get some things done,
this time I'm stripping my rear seats & passenger side seat,
trying it out with the pr4 then my regular pm6,
I'll come back & post my times up again,
this is test & tune,so it aint no biggie what I run with whatever,

well,I just got back & didn't really change anything except stripped my interior,just the passenger side seat & rear seats,
but fastest time was a 15.9 in a d15 w/mpfi,
I'm not gonna run it anymore,I wanna build me a motor up so I can put on a turbo,I've got heavy plans for what I'm wanting to do,
but a 15.9 with a stock motor,I'm very pleased.
my brothers stock mustang ran a 14.7

Not bad for d15 with mpfi and stock head/cam.

yea seen it done also seen a p28 runnin a gsr. i know for a fact the p28 works the gsr casue that was what was runnin my crx before i swapped the motor n ecu out. u would think it wouldent but it works, just puts on the check engine light.

Thats because they programmed it. PM6 ? I wouldn't touch. I dont understand why ppl does not pick up the right ecu for there b16s lately. PR3 is the way to go. IM not too much of a fan of PWO though...

I have a PW-0, and as far as I can research, the maps are identical...

I have a PW-0, and as far as I can research, the maps are identical...

They dont have many mods for the PWO. PPL rather go with PR3 because the chip mods is more available. Its not reall that big of a deal.

yea seen it done also seen a p28 runnin a gsr. i know for a fact the p28 works the gsr casue that was what was runnin my crx before i swapped the motor n ecu out. u would think it wouldent but it works, just puts on the check engine light.

riggggght. i highly doubt that p28 wasn't chipped. just think of the vtec cross over point, and the fuel maps, would never work. how about you try knowing what you are talking about before making yourself look dumb. :nono:

actually no its not chipped its stock and as i said dont means it runs right like it suppose to, but the v-tec does com on at diffrent rpm then a p72 and also redlines sooner. i know what im talkin about cause i build hondas at a shop i own for a living that is very repuatable in philly yea so dont talk shit.

yeah? im from philly whats the name of the shop?

i know what im talkin about cause i build hondas at a shop i own for a living that is very repuatable in philly yea so dont talk shit.

If you're goin to claim something, be sure to back it up. Because other members will ask you to prove it.

why dont you get a pr3...b16a obd0 ecu with vtec...i think its the only obd0 ecu with vtec...you did say you have a b16a....right?...

The PW0 is the only other obd-0 with vtec.

why dont you get a pr3...b16a obd0 ecu with vtec...i think its the only obd0 ecu with vtec...you did say you have a b16a....right?...

Theres PWO also...

what part of philly u from? Its called Ghetto Engineering on D street.

what part of philly u from? Its called Ghetto Engineering on D street.

Philly Suburbs. Whats the phone # to the shop?

Philly Suburbs. Whats the phone # to the shop?

Im not sure if hes serious bro LOL

I hope im wrong....

uhhhh you sure about a pm6 running a dohc motor?

a pm6 will run ls's pretty decent, pr4's are better for it obviously but a pm6 will run an ls fine

ill send both numbers to you on a pm, what parts of the burbs, northeast?