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zx2guy
05-09-2006, 10:27 PM
i sat in at a Pitt U. history class and the professor was talking of what our world might be like at complete peace. he spoke of natural progression of our technology and knowledge through thought of "what if?" and "can we?"

i sat and listened to this lecture for about an hour ( the class was 3 hours long... i think) and he got to a point where he asked if anyone had any questions. a moment of silence passes and i raise my hand. and i am called upon. i turn the lecture around by talking of the arms races, the race to the moon, and the cold war. bottom line i put down was even if we are not at "war" you can not have a world at peace as long as the neighbors have a standing bet of whos car is faster. and through that technology will progress. so what do you think? do you believe that war or peace is the cause of progress? and why? the reason i ask is after about another 45 minutes on my lecturing part, i asked if anyone had questions... the professor said my opinion was "very good." so either i covered the topic well or he brushed me aside

mellowboy
05-10-2006, 12:23 AM
I turn the lecture around by talking of the arms races, the race to the moon, and the cold war. bottom line i put down was even if we are not at "war" you can not have a world at peace as long as the neighbors have a standing bet of whos car is faster. and through that technology will progress.so what do you think? do you believe that war or peace is the cause of progress? and why?the reason i ask is after about another 45 minutes on my lecturing part, i asked if anyone had questions... the professor said my opinion was "very good." so either i covered the topic well or he brushed me aside




Well you can define WAR in many terms. Like war with words , or any sports rivalry that does not have anything to do with violence. Peace? Everyone has there own belief that how/if/when peace will arrive. Your views on arms race is more complexed than you think. Look at N.Korea/Iran for an example. American gov't is telling them to get rid of nukes. They refuse because we have nukes. Its like " why should we get rid of ours if your not goin to get rid of yours?" If they refuse, and theres no "peaceful" solution, then WAR can happen. Like how we destroyed Iraq for nothing. Thats what doesn't make sense to me. IF we believe in peace, then why engage in a war? Its like we're forcing peace (on our terms) on other countries. Thats my speculation on things that are goin on today.

Peace only works if ppl learn to compromise and are united but we're so divided on many issues.

KustmAce
05-10-2006, 01:37 AM
its human nature to fight/compete, therefore there will never be complete peace. its a natural impossibilty

mellowboy
05-10-2006, 01:42 AM
its human nature to fight/compete, therefore there will never be complete peace. its a natural impossibilty


Nothing is impossible. Like I said earlier...everyone has different beliefs which include religious wise also. Sure its human nature to have "animal instinct" (as I like to describe) but we all have to learn how to control ourselves and not making excuses for our behavior.

Broke_as_****
05-10-2006, 02:15 AM
Agreed.

You'll never get everyone to agree on anything, however, since there is people in the world that can resolve differences without resorting to violence there is the hope that one day they will be the majority in the general populace and more importantly in leadership positions around the world.

I actually believe right now that most people wouldn't resort to violence as long as it's on a personal level. However if a few people in key leadership positions can instill a mob mentality playing off peoples fears and prejudices and induce them into a "us vs them" mind set then violence can be brought upon the world as we've seen through out history back to the beginings of society.

I doubt we'll see peace our lives, or the lives of anyone for a thousand years. Humanity will figure it out and prosper or destroy itself.

Either way, I got a nice car so I'm good.

zx2guy
05-10-2006, 10:49 PM
to touch on religion look at this. thought provoking to say the least.but does anyone else think the iraq war was an attempt at foresight failed? this was brought up today in one of my talks with my friends im not sure what to make of the thought, however i have read books that believe that if we start war in to stop the posibility of one we still have war, we fear desease so we huddle the sick and create one. scary stuff.
http://www.wickedjester.com/incitewar.gif

NAVY IC
06-03-2006, 07:33 PM
If they refuse, and theres no "peaceful" solution, then WAR can happen. Like how we destroyed Iraq for nothing. Thats what doesn't make sense to me. IF we believe in peace, then why engage in a war? Its like we're forcing peace (on our terms) on other countries. Thats my speculation on things that are goin on today.

Iraq is not destroyed...Sadam and his sons are.
The next time you talk to some Iraqis, ask them to tell you how grateful they are,
because they personally told me over and over...

mellowboy
06-03-2006, 07:46 PM
Iraq is not destroyed...Sadam and his sons are.
The next time you talk to some Iraqis, ask them to tell you how grateful they are,
because they personally told me over and over...


Since I'm Iraqi and have family over there.....all of them said they're not grateful and are in worse situation when the war started. You'll get different views from different individual.

drunken monkey
06-03-2006, 08:06 PM
the saddest thing to me about the iraq war is the destruction of the cities.

the place of the arabian nights is now a pile of rubble.
it really saddens me to even think about how something so tragic could happen to a place with so much cultural history.

NAVY IC
06-03-2006, 09:36 PM
Since I'm Iraqi and have family over there.....all of them said they're not grateful and are in worse situation when the war started. You'll get different views from different individual.

I'll bet former members of Saddam's republican guard are in worse shape also...I'm not insinuating anything, just agreeing with you on the different views from different people....

mellowboy
06-03-2006, 10:18 PM
I'll bet former members of Saddam's republican guard are in worse shape also...I'm not insinuating anything, just agreeing with you on the different views from different people....


Which has nothing to do with my families/friends views.

03cavPA
06-04-2006, 07:29 AM
Do your family or friends know anyone who was "questioned" by Saddam's regime or killed by members of his regime?

That's not a sarcastic remark, nor is it meant to elicit another longwinded diatribe. I actually would like to know of any personal experience there.

Most of the servicemembers I've talked to think they really are making a difference in the middle East. I agree that it depends upon whom we talk to. They also say that a number of Iraqis are glad they don't have to keep looking over their shoulders to see if Saddam's men are coming for them. They would like to see the extremists stop killing everything they can get their hands on, though.

It's too bad that it took this to remove Saddam from power, but there are other dictators we can set our sights on, too.

NAVY IC
06-05-2006, 10:14 PM
It's too bad that it took this to remove Saddam from power, but there are other dictators we can set our sights on, too.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of all who threaten it...
America...F?ck Yeah!!!

mellowboy
06-06-2006, 09:59 AM
Do your family or friends know anyone who was "questioned" by Saddam's regime or killed by members of his regime?



No one in my family.Not that I know of atleast. Some actually worked for the goverment. Both Shi'as and Catholics worked for the gov't. Thats all I know...

zx2guy
06-06-2006, 07:23 PM
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of all who threaten it...
America...F?ck Yeah!!!


uhuh thats the type of attitude that will get your american ass shot if you ever decide to visit out of country... personally i look forward to the day that we all can cross eachothers borders w/o kidnappings, assassinations and so on and so forth... and being an american my self im getting tired of all this targeting we are getting.

NAVY IC
06-06-2006, 08:35 PM
uhuh thats the type of attitude that will get your american ass shot if you ever decide to visit out of country... personally i look forward to the day that we all can cross eachothers borders w/o kidnappings, assassinations and so on and so forth... and being an american my self im getting tired of all this targeting we are getting.

are you serious...I joined the us military, (the world's foremost ass-kicking organization) on september 12th, 2001 for the single purpose of kicking ass, and that's exactly what we are doing, it's what america's been doing since forever, and now I'm a part of it....

and just so you know, I've been all over the world. I've been through the gulf, the suez and a whole bunch of those countries in the middle east. I've been to over twenty different countries worldwide and you know what...f?ck what you heard on cnn, we do what we want, when we want, wherever we want and nobody have ever or will ever say sh?t to us....

America, F?ck Yeah...!!!!

mellowboy
06-06-2006, 08:55 PM
we do what we want, when we want, wherever we want and nobody have ever or will ever say sh?t to us....

America, F?ck Yeah...!!!!


LOL im sure my ppl will thank you with that attitude of yours.:rolleyes:

NAVY IC
06-06-2006, 09:43 PM
mellowboy, your missing my point...
yeah, today's headlines are about your people...
but headlines or not, we're constantly kicking ass worldwide.
This is our country, some of us decided to run it, some of us decided to defend it, and some of us just talk about it.

let me tell you where that 'tude came from

the us navy is about .0001% of the worlds population...
but every country we pull into, the girls line up, the guys get out of the way,
and the local law acts like our personal security/taxi/tour guide.
I can go on and on about how friendly the locals really are only if the moderators say they won't ban me

drunken monkey
06-06-2006, 10:21 PM
wait a minute.... you get a certain reaction at certain ports and you take that to be the general attitude and consensus of the WHOLE country?
when you say the "girls line up", are you aware of what kind of girls those are?

constantly kicking ass?
sounds like someone believes their own press a little bit too much.
how many americans died this week?

cody_e
06-06-2006, 11:28 PM
I doubt it will happen as long as religions fight. Hell in Iraq there seems to be a civil war now with all the sectarian violence. if two sects of the SAME RELIGION can't get along how is two completely differnt religions supposed to get along?

mellowboy
06-07-2006, 02:18 AM
mellowboy, your missing my point...
yeah, today's headlines are about your people...
but headlines or not, we're constantly kicking ass worldwide.
This is our country, some of us decided to run it, some of us decided to defend it, and some of us just talk about it.



No I didn't miss your point. Dont think you're kicking ass with your advance weapons to prey on the weak. I wouldn't feel too big about that.

mellowboy
06-07-2006, 02:20 AM
I doubt it will happen as long as religions fight. Hell in Iraq there seems to be a civil war now with all the sectarian violence. if two sects of the SAME RELIGION can't get along how is two completely differnt religions supposed to get along?


And so you think. Before the war started...NO ONE fought over religion. As I've mentioned before that I have a mixed family backround that has shias/sunnis/catholics. Im sure someone from the outside is instigating between the 2 sects.

cody_e
06-07-2006, 09:39 AM
And so you think. Before the war started...NO ONE fought over religion. As I've mentioned before that I have a mixed family backround that has shias/sunnis/catholics. Im sure someone from the outside is instigating between the 2 sects.

I didn't say that. I said if 2 sects of a religion can't get along how can other completely different religions get along? The Catholic and protestants have been fighting just as long especially in Ireland. It's just sad that people can't have their own religion and respect other peopel's religion.

NAVY IC
06-07-2006, 12:21 PM
No I didn't miss your point. Dont think you're kicking ass with your advance weapons to prey on the weak. I wouldn't feel too big about that.

how high tech is a box cutter? how many deaths can it cause?
ask all of the people that died on 9/11 if they felt like they were preyed upon...

I know a couple of 17 year old chix that had to get a permission slip signed by their parents just so that they could join in on the ass-kicking.

dead is dead, whether you choke on a grape at the day spa, get your neck slit by a box cutter on an airplane, or suffer fatal injuries from an improvised explosive device (IED).

This forum is full of people who'll risk their lives and innocent lives for a drag race, but I have more respect for those that risk their lives for all of our well being.

NAVY IC
06-07-2006, 01:24 PM
wait a minute.... you get a certain reaction at certain ports and you take that to be the general attitude and consensus of the WHOLE country?
listen, I could assume that they love what we're doing. I could also assume that they hate what we're doing.
what I decided to do was not assume and just accept what our actual reality is. I know how we're treated.


when you say the "girls line up", are you aware of what kind of girls those are?
I know where you're going, but you shouldn't always assume the worst, or force your sense of morality onto other people.
People invite me all the time to stay at their homes, I've been introduced to daughters, sisters, and even a couple of mothers.
The locals are usually like, "You don't have to check into that hotel, we have plenty of room at my place."
They're always saying suff like I know where the places to eat are at, I know where all the sites to see are at.
The girls always know where the best clubs are at, and the guys always know which clubs got the hottest chix.
Don't get me wrong, the red-light/butt-naked scene is alive and well overseas if that's what your into...


constantly kicking ass?
sounds like someone believes their own press a little bit too much.
how many americans died this week?

believes their own press is a comment usually reserved for the Hollywood types (re: the land of make believe)...
in no way shape or form does what we do have anything to do with the press, or the land of make believe.

phase one: briefing about up coming evolutions
phase two: execution
phase three: de-briefing
phase four: talking to the press can only happen after sh?t has been
previewed, reviewed, classified, reclassified, declassified and then ok'd by
your entire chain of command all the way up to the press secretary who
makes sure the info has been properly edited for television.

I'm not going to talk about my fallen brothers,
We didn't join the military to die for our country.
We joined the military to make sure those other sons-of-bitches die for theirs.

drunken monkey
06-07-2006, 01:39 PM
a little question for you then.
are you privvy to the whole process that goes on when command is going through the results of completed operations?

NAVY IC
06-07-2006, 01:46 PM
Hell naw,
all that sh?t is straight up spook level (GS-43 CLASSIFIED).
However, ops that we actually participate in eventually get broadcast on
cnn and fox news, but it's usually what we call the NEWS version of events.

drunken monkey
06-07-2006, 01:59 PM
are you as informed of the entire story as it were, that command is?

NAVY IC
06-07-2006, 02:36 PM
I'm stationed on an amphib, my job is to get the marines and their gear to the fight, and then bring them home.
The most immediate threat to us while we're at sea is boarding other ships, small boats and mines.
The average marine see way more than than the average sailor, (excluding special warfare), once they leave the yacht.
But we all work together, live together, eat, sleep, play and party together for months at a time while we're deployed.
Anything that happens to us while we're deployed is a sea/war story, and that's pretty much how we spend our time.
Regardless of what the Big Wigs talk about, or what the NEWS is "allowed" to report, we're the ones living these stories, we know what's going on.

RickwithaTbird
06-07-2006, 04:19 PM
funny how a conversation about world peace begins an argument.

it'll never happen.

cody_e
06-07-2006, 08:39 PM
I'm stationed on an amphib, my job is to get the marines and their gear to the fight, and then bring them home.
The most immediate threat to us while we're at sea is boarding other ships, small boats and mines.
The average marine see way more than than the average sailor, (excluding special warfare), once they leave the yacht.
But we all work together, live together, eat, sleep, play and party together for months at a time while we're deployed.
Anything that happens to us while we're deployed is a sea/war story, and that's pretty much how we spend our time.
Regardless of what the Big Wigs talk about, or what the NEWS is "allowed" to report, we're the ones living these stories, we know what's going on.

And that is why I have the utmost respect for you guys and am proud to have my "support your troops" magnet on the back of my car.

zx2guy
06-07-2006, 10:56 PM
and just so you know, I've been all over the world. I've been through the gulf, the suez and a whole bunch of those countries in the middle east. I've been to over twenty different countries worldwide and you know what...f?ck what you heard on cnn, we do what we want, when we want, wherever we want and nobody have ever or will ever say sh?t to us....

America, F?ck Yeah...!!!!

im not arguing and im proud that you joined up, and are fighting for our country... all im sayin is i wish there was a way that we can enforce ourselves without appearing overly commanding, because i think thats one reason terrorists dont like us... they dont agree, and when we say "too damn bad, do it" they get all pissed. and i recall a quote from Gen. patton " noone ever won a war by dying for thier country, they won by making the other poor bastsard die for thiers." and i would rather you not die for yours because some terrorist prick sucker punches us again.

Rufe
07-15-2006, 05:03 AM
the saddest thing to me about the iraq war is the destruction of the cities.

the place of the arabian nights is now a pile of rubble.
it really saddens me to even think about how something so tragic could happen to a place with so much cultural history.

If you knew one tenth of that cultural history, you would realise that it has been a continual cycle of conquering and war. Perhaps you might read up on Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes for a starter. How many times did babylon revolt under them? What happened?

Another comment for an earlier poster, Do not confuse the man with the religion.

If you want to eliminate wars, a good way is to eliminate Hatred first. If you can tell me how to do this, (eliminate a basic human instinct), then you can try to persuade me that peace has a chance. A very noble endeavor, regardless.

travis712
07-27-2006, 09:42 PM
You'll never get everyone to agree on anything, however, since there is people in the world that can resolve differences without resorting to violence there is the hope that one day they will be the majority in the general populace and more importantly in leadership positions around the world.



Yes I suppose there is hope, but I believe there is more people that will stand up for there opinion and fight there believings instead of just coming to a agreeable term, etc.


hope that made sense

Toksin
07-28-2006, 09:48 PM
are you serious...I joined the us military, (the world's foremost ass-kicking organization) on september 12th, 2001 for the single purpose of kicking ass, and that's exactly what we are doing, it's what america's been doing since forever, and now I'm a part of it....

and just so you know, I've been all over the world. I've been through the gulf, the suez and a whole bunch of those countries in the middle east. I've been to over twenty different countries worldwide and you know what...f?ck what you heard on cnn, we do what we want, when we want, wherever we want and nobody have ever or will ever say sh?t to us....

America, F?ck Yeah...!!!!

That post pretty much embodies everything that's wrong with America.

03cavPA
07-30-2006, 08:06 AM
I'd rather visualize whirled peas. Vegetables are more forgiving.

As long as there are 2 humans left on the earth, world peace is still just a dream. Not gonna happen, but it's nice to dream.

mellowboy
07-30-2006, 11:28 AM
As long as there are 2 humans left on the earth, world peace is still just a dream. Not gonna happen, but it's nice to dream.

It will happen someday God willing.

cody_e
07-30-2006, 02:07 PM
I think wihtout radicalism the world would be a way more peaceful place.

erb
09-10-2006, 06:03 PM
There will never be peace in the world and also the bible says if i remember correctly right before the anti christ comes back there will peace in the middle east. Which would you rather hae?

TexasF355F1
09-10-2006, 06:41 PM
There will never be peace in the world and also the bible says if i remember correctly right before the anti christ comes back there will peace in the middle east. Which would you rather hae?
I think you've got that backwards.

The bible states there will be a 7 year war(i believe) that will be a war greater than all wars before it. At the end of the war is when God will come down from Heaven destroying the anti-christ and all who turned their back on him. Then there will be peace on earth among all men.

The current area in Jerusalem I believe where the Mosque or whatever is that all Muslims view as holy is supposedly built on top of what was the holyest of holy sites of christians and jews. The holy grail is supposedly one artifact believed to be at that site.

I'm sure I'm a little confused, I'm trying to recall too much from too far back in my mind.

mellowboy
09-11-2006, 04:48 PM
There will never be peace in the world and also the bible says if i remember correctly right before the anti christ comes back there will peace in the middle east. Which would you rather hae?


Thats your beliefs and opinion. I respect that. Every religion has there own version on how the world will end or how Isa (Jesus) would come and destroy the Anti-Christ. It is interesting to hear different versions from different religions.

DVS LT1
09-12-2006, 06:59 PM
I joined the us military, (the world's foremost ass-kicking organization) on september 12th, 2001 for the single purpose of kicking ass, and that's exactly what we are doing, it's what america's been doing since forever, and now I'm a part of it....

Just an observation… (which I’m expecting to get an ear full of “fuck yeah!” & “America!” in response to)

You say you’ve been all over the world,
You say people treat you special and that you party with hot bitches wherever you go,
You say you drive a boat full of guys to a fight and then pick them up (while yelling “America, fuck yeah!” to & fro no doubt),
You don’t seem to care about fellow servicemen dying because the important thing is killing the other guys,
You don’t seem to care about civilians caught up in conflict because you guys are really helping them and doing them a service…


Well, it sounds for one thing like you’ve got a pretty cool job (seriously) – I sit behind a desk all day and hit up a gym a few evenings a week if I’m lucky. Closest thing to boating or traveling I get is taking my friend’s SeaDoo out for a spin up at the cottage but that’s only a few times every summer… but I, eh-hem, have a pretty sweat toboggan for the winter. (lol you probably don’t even know what a toboggan is. But I’m sure you could strap explosives to it and ghost ride it down a hill towards any army of snowmen if you wanted to). ANYWAYS – I’m reading your posts about how wicked your job is, how great “ass-kicking” is, how people dying or suffering don’t matter because as long as it’s the enemy is being killed that’s the key… I’d like to see what your attitude would be like if you were the one whose job it was to stand on a street corner in downtown Baghdad everyday. That’s right: standing in the same spot every day, in full gear in the hot sun, watching car bombs blow up all around you on a daily bases, having to talk to the people whose lives get rearranged on a daily basis. I’d like to see how righteous you would be then.

Because it seems to me – from what you’ve provided in your posts anyways – that you are NOT the one doing the fighting or talking to the people living in turmoil. You drive around a boat to the war zone then split; the only people you seem to talk to are the people along the ports who probably make their living on the sailors coming in (not necessarily in a bad way but its money coming into their economy either way when a boat load of sailors arrive). This is not to say that your job isn’t dangerous either – but I would love to see your reaction and comments if you were dropped in the middle of the street in Baghdad with a rifle, helmet, and a granola bar, and made to trek through neighbourhoods sticking your head into doorways to look for insurgents.

To me you are just a guy who likes to watch and talk about ass kicking and nothing more. I could do the same at home on TV if I wanted to; you’d simply have the inside scoop (but I’d have the popcorn). Why don’t you ditch the zinc oxide and boat driving job, put on a pair of marching boots, and take a rifle and go door to door in these urban hell holes they call residences in Iraq if you want to kick ass. Once you see what ass kicking is really like, you might not think the same.

DVS LT1
09-18-2006, 12:48 PM
Sorry... I'd feel bad if this were the last post in a thread that's supposed to be discussing world peace. :frown:

I think whatever brings us closer together as a global people is what is going to help promote peace. Right now religion seems to charge people's emotions so much - just look at what the Pope is going through; I have no idea what he said but just read how there's been isolated incidents of backlash throughout the world. People need to mellow out - it's fanaticism that's going to do us all in. May sound strange (sad moreover) but I think it's going to take a massive natural disaster or something that will effect the whole planet like a massive doomsday asteriod before everbody on earth unites and works together. Then again some people may see that as a religious sign and welcome such an event... who knows. Maybe some evil aliens coming down would band us all together.

mellowboy
09-18-2006, 01:23 PM
just look at what the Pope is going through; I have no idea what he said but just read how there's been isolated incidents of backlash throughout the world. People need to mellow out - it's fanaticism that's going to do us all in.


He was reading some scripture written by some past emporer.







In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness, abrusqueness which leaves us astounded, on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable.



http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html


IMO, he did this intentionally.Why else would he bringit up? This is not the time for one to disrespect peoples belief because we are in a crisis ando pe0ple especially muslims are very sensitive as if this moment. With the war goin in the Muslim countries, how the media potrays Islam , the terrorists everything has gone wack. The Pope couldn't pick a better time...

Many Muslims feel oppressed by stupid foreign laws and the media. People always say "how come the Muslims doesn't say anything on the terrorists." Im not speakin for them but let just say that we are not responsible for other people's actions! Second, we only hear one side of the story and thats the media. Third, we are doing something about by promoting peace. Look at it as if it was a tug of war..

Muslims (promoting truth/peace) <<<<Non Muslims >>>> Terrorists (promoting violence/wahabbism)


Some muslims forget to the that our Prophet (pbuh) has been insulted many times during his prophetic time. He did not go out and killed the people who hated him, disagreed with him or insulted him. Theres Hadiths (Prophets sayings) and Sunnah (Example of how the Prophet lived) that proves my point.These are the examples that the Muslims most follow. The Prophet says that if anyone rejects the Sunnah they are not of him. Meaning if they rejected his ways, they are not Muslims. I will find some Hadiths that some of you care to read. If theres any Muslims on this board, speak up!

Thats my take on it.

drunken monkey
09-18-2006, 01:27 PM
If you knew one tenth of that cultural history, you would realise that it has been a continual cycle of conquering and war. Perhaps you might read up on Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes for a starter. How many times did babylon revolt under them? What happened?

and how many of those wars involved bombing the crud out of the cities?
does the fact that the place has a history of wars make my opinion that it is a tragic that a place like bagdad with such a massive cultural history any more wrong?
Am i wrong in pointing out not just the cultural history of the place but literary significance of the place in western culture as well?
if i read up on the complete history of the place, would that make my opinion of the current situation in Bagdad any different?

anyway, [i]you[/i[ should realise that this is currently not a war on Iraq nor is it a conquering. It is a war on people that are happen to live in Iraq. It is also not the people of Iraq that are doing the fighting against the terrorists; it is a bunch of outsiders who are fighting and the people are caught in the middle.


Regarding the Pope and the quoted text; what was the context of the quote?
is that the complete quote?
if so, i can only see that the complete quote is part of a longer text that discusses the wrongs of fighting to force religion which i can't see to be a wrong thing to say.
It seems to me that the Pope's quoted text has been taken totally out of context.

zx2guy
09-18-2006, 07:26 PM
im starting to wonder how much "backlash" the world in itself can take. i mean this is turning into one hell of a powder keg here. we have cultural problems, religous, international, national, terror, "factions" (< for lack of a better term of some groups). i do agree with DVS people need to chill. but im sure that wont happen... people no longer forgive and forget, not take things so literal. shit in 10years time i have no doubt that things people say now sarcasticly will get thier asses shot.

and did any one else hear about this "international day of anger" someone is promoting? obviously this person needs to be drowned out of the spotlight. could you imagine if people get behind this idea? hell even worse what if a nation in itself decides to join in. there will be hate killings (in my eyes above all the worse type> there is no reason to be murdered because of the color of your skin... religion... in my mind the one that sticks out was some guy i think in colorado(?) that was gay, he was tied to a fence with barb wire and left for dead (and he did). what pissed me off most about the story was one of them was a friend of his that strung him up). and my problem with this day of anger is.... could this be the match that starts ww3? and how will we draw our battle lines? religion? race? nation?

03cavPA
09-20-2006, 12:19 PM
We have a world population that is competing for limited resources. Wait until China and India really get cranking on their consumer economy.

The rest of us will have to take a back seat, or fight for it. Not a happy thought.

zx2guy
09-22-2006, 07:08 PM
We will always have conflict as long as there are things that distinguish us.

what ever happened to cherishing our differences... now if everyone doesnt get what everyone else has, they throw a fit.

thrasher
09-24-2006, 11:13 AM
John Lennon had it right...

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace..."

We will always have conflict as long as there are things that distinguish us.

I would argue that we will have conflict as long as we have people who are willing to kill to advance their goals. We still teach violence to our children as a means to solve problems, and as long as that continues, we will never have peace. It starts with a change in mentality, not by continuing to kill those who kill us. Ghandi had it right by advocating non-systems, non-violent thinking, and it was working, until he was quite ironically murdered.

Muscletang
09-25-2006, 07:26 PM
I'll throw something in here.

There will NEVER be world peace because of three reasons...

A. Somebody, somewhere, will always want power.

It doesn't matter if we have a nice government like in Star Treck where everybody is equal and has a share. Somebody will always want complete and total power over everybody and everything. It's human nature.

B. This guy is different from this, one doesn't like the other for it.

Hell some are still bitter about the Civil War. Again, it's human nature to fear the unknown or different.

C. My beliefs are correct, yours are not.

See Osama Bin Ladin. Finally, it's human nature to hold our beliefs close and defend them, sometimes stupidly like suicide bombing but still defend.

chadwick_90
10-15-2006, 01:17 PM
I think the U.S should just stay out of other countries problems. Why does our government spend more time and money in other countries than here in the U.S.

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