speed limiter
cargod22
05-06-2006, 04:07 AM
I have a 2003 4.8 silverado. i want to know how to take the speed limiter off of it can anybody help me?
MT-2500
05-06-2006, 11:48 AM
I have a 2003 4.8 silverado. i want to know how to take the speed limiter off of it can anybody help me?
First things first.
It may be illegal to tamper with it.
It is part of your federal emmisions and any time you operate it on a federal highway you are subject to federal emmisions laws.
Also if you are involved in a accident your insurance company may check your trucks computer system and if it has been tampered with you could be in hot water.
After reviewing that do you still want to know how to do it or think it is a good idea?
Where there is a will there is a way.:grinyes: :lol:
But for now can you give us a good reason why you want to remove it?
Is it going to be operated on a federal highway or only drag strip/raceway?
MT
First things first.
It may be illegal to tamper with it.
It is part of your federal emmisions and any time you operate it on a federal highway you are subject to federal emmisions laws.
Also if you are involved in a accident your insurance company may check your trucks computer system and if it has been tampered with you could be in hot water.
After reviewing that do you still want to know how to do it or think it is a good idea?
Where there is a will there is a way.:grinyes: :lol:
But for now can you give us a good reason why you want to remove it?
Is it going to be operated on a federal highway or only drag strip/raceway?
MT
silveradoking
05-06-2006, 10:35 PM
I don't know what mt2500 is talking about, but if you want to remove the speed limiter... just get a tune.....You can get a tune for $75 bucks from Jesse Performance, just specify that you want the speed limiter removed......Then you can drive faster then a speeding bullet......
MT-2500
05-07-2006, 10:40 AM
I don't know what mt2500 is talking about, but if you want to remove the speed limiter... just get a tune.....You can get a tune for $75 bucks from Jesse Performance, just specify that you want the speed limiter removed......Then you can drive faster then a speeding bullet......
Would it be that you do not want to know?:grinyes: :lol:
Shoot I though my post was perty plain and self explanatory.
Read it one more time and may be you will get the point.
MT
Would it be that you do not want to know?:grinyes: :lol:
Shoot I though my post was perty plain and self explanatory.
Read it one more time and may be you will get the point.
MT
silveradoking
05-07-2006, 08:49 PM
Then why would it be illegal....when you can enter some info on your computer and you can go as fast as you want......or what does your speed limiter have to do with emissions?
silveradoking
05-07-2006, 08:51 PM
oh, and you spelled 'perty' wrong?
MT-2500
05-08-2006, 11:17 AM
oh, and you spelled 'perty' wrong?
I posted to make the poster aware of some of the problems and laws he may be violating by tampering with the speed limiter.
You are getting a little nit pickie on that spealing anit you?
I am not here to spell it right or to ague about it and do not give a shit if it is spealed right.
I am only making you aware of the laws as I see and understand them.
So you can take it or leave it makes no difference to me.:grinyes: :lol:
As to the laws on it.
Any car manufactured after 1980 is subject to a lot of strict emissions laws.
And also safety laws. Seat belts ABS DRL and a lot of other stuff.
Take the cats for instance.
But it does not stop there. Anything that the PCM/VCM controls is covered under emission laws on them.
And tampering with or removing or changing the emissions controls comes under it.
You are from Canada where the law may be different on it but in the USA any vehicle operated on a federal high way is covered under emission and safety laws.
Also as we know there are speed limits. In the USA it is illegal to operate any vehicle over the speed limit unless it is a emergency vehicle and at all times a emergency vehicle must be equipped and in use with emegarancy lights and safety equipment if being operated over the speed limit.
Something else for you to consider or may not now.
The newer the vehicle the more information the computer stores.
Just like the black box on airplanes after an accident the police and insurance companies can go in your computer and retrieve information. Depending on your computer they record information about the speed and braking engine rpm and other stuff at the time of the accident.
And like I said in first post if the speed limiter has been tampered with you can be in hot water.
So if you tamper with it do so at your own risk and do not say I did not tell you so.
MT
I posted to make the poster aware of some of the problems and laws he may be violating by tampering with the speed limiter.
You are getting a little nit pickie on that spealing anit you?
I am not here to spell it right or to ague about it and do not give a shit if it is spealed right.
I am only making you aware of the laws as I see and understand them.
So you can take it or leave it makes no difference to me.:grinyes: :lol:
As to the laws on it.
Any car manufactured after 1980 is subject to a lot of strict emissions laws.
And also safety laws. Seat belts ABS DRL and a lot of other stuff.
Take the cats for instance.
But it does not stop there. Anything that the PCM/VCM controls is covered under emission laws on them.
And tampering with or removing or changing the emissions controls comes under it.
You are from Canada where the law may be different on it but in the USA any vehicle operated on a federal high way is covered under emission and safety laws.
Also as we know there are speed limits. In the USA it is illegal to operate any vehicle over the speed limit unless it is a emergency vehicle and at all times a emergency vehicle must be equipped and in use with emegarancy lights and safety equipment if being operated over the speed limit.
Something else for you to consider or may not now.
The newer the vehicle the more information the computer stores.
Just like the black box on airplanes after an accident the police and insurance companies can go in your computer and retrieve information. Depending on your computer they record information about the speed and braking engine rpm and other stuff at the time of the accident.
And like I said in first post if the speed limiter has been tampered with you can be in hot water.
So if you tamper with it do so at your own risk and do not say I did not tell you so.
MT
Faze3
05-08-2006, 01:30 PM
I looked on several search engines and the EPA site. I found nothing that states this is illegal.
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
MT-2500
05-08-2006, 02:56 PM
I looked on several search engines and the EPA site. I found nothing that states this is illegal.
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for a repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal emmisions stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car manfactures have to meet federal emmisions and saftey guide lines.
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto emmisions laws.
MT
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for a repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal emmisions stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car manfactures have to meet federal emmisions and saftey guide lines.
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto emmisions laws.
MT
MT-2500
05-08-2006, 03:30 PM
I looked on several search engines and the EPA site. I found nothing that states this is illegal.
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
Here is a starter. I did not have time to go into it very deep.
Run a search under federal emissions laws or the Federal clean air act
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/emissions.htm
Emissions Laws
The Federal Clean Air Act as amended in 1990 has extended the prohibition against removal or rendering inoperative vehicle emissions control devices by the consumer. Changing an engine or even a transmission in a vehicle may change its pollution status and render it illegal for street or even off-road use on lands that are covered by emissions laws. This usually applies to later model vehicles and this, along with other pertinent laws vary from state to state. Generally engines and associated emissions controls from vehicles that are the same year or newer vintage as the vehicle to which they are being converted are legal swaps. However, it is the owner's responsibility to investigate the smog laws and determine that any changes you make to your vehicle will not cause it to be in violation of any state and federal regulations.
Many often ask about the difficulty of installing late model engines, especially those which are OBDII compliant - which includes all engines after 1996. There are some sticky issues involved, but as interest in swaps remains so strong, many resources are available to help decipher it all. We will continue to work in this area so we may be of assistance and offer helpful products to assist with these technologically advanced conversions.
http://www.racingbeat.com/emissions.htm
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Vehicle Programs & Compliance Division (6405J)
Attn: Warranty Complaints
401 M Street, SW
Washington, DC 20460
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
Here is a starter. I did not have time to go into it very deep.
Run a search under federal emissions laws or the Federal clean air act
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/emissions.htm
Emissions Laws
The Federal Clean Air Act as amended in 1990 has extended the prohibition against removal or rendering inoperative vehicle emissions control devices by the consumer. Changing an engine or even a transmission in a vehicle may change its pollution status and render it illegal for street or even off-road use on lands that are covered by emissions laws. This usually applies to later model vehicles and this, along with other pertinent laws vary from state to state. Generally engines and associated emissions controls from vehicles that are the same year or newer vintage as the vehicle to which they are being converted are legal swaps. However, it is the owner's responsibility to investigate the smog laws and determine that any changes you make to your vehicle will not cause it to be in violation of any state and federal regulations.
Many often ask about the difficulty of installing late model engines, especially those which are OBDII compliant - which includes all engines after 1996. There are some sticky issues involved, but as interest in swaps remains so strong, many resources are available to help decipher it all. We will continue to work in this area so we may be of assistance and offer helpful products to assist with these technologically advanced conversions.
http://www.racingbeat.com/emissions.htm
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Vehicle Programs & Compliance Division (6405J)
Attn: Warranty Complaints
401 M Street, SW
Washington, DC 20460
MT-2500
05-08-2006, 03:52 PM
I looked on several search engines and the EPA site. I found nothing that states this is illegal.
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
Here you go.
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html#iia
EPA Laws sections.
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt
Sec. 203. (a) The following acts and the causing thereof are
prohibited-
(1) in the case of a manufacturer of new motor vehicles or
new motor vehicle engines for distribution in commerce, the
sale, or the offering for sale, or the introduction, or
delivery for introduction, into commerce, or (in the case of
any person, except as provided by regulation of the Adminis-
trator), the importation into the United States, of any new
motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine, manufactured
after the effective date of regulations under this part
which are applicable to such vehicle or engine unless such
vehicle or engine is covered by a certificate of conformity
issued (and in effect) under regulations prescribed under
this part or part C in the case of clean-fuel vehicles
(except as provided in subsection (b));
(2)(A) for any person to fail or refuse to permit access
to or copying of records or to fail to make reports or
provide information required under section 208;
(B) for any person to fail or refuse to permit entry,
testing or inspection authorized under section 206(c) or
section 208;
(C) for any person to fail or refuse to perform tests, or
have tests performed as required under section 208;
(D) for any manufacturer to fail to make information
available as provided by regulation under section 202(m)(5);
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
(4) for any manufacturer of a new motor vehicle or new
motor vehicle engine subject to standards prescribed under
section 202 or Part C-
(A) to sell or lease any such vehicle or engine
unless such manufacturer has complied with (i) the
requirements of section 207 (a) and (b) with respect to
such vehicle or engine, and unless a label or tag is
affixed to such vehicle or engine in accordance with
section 207(c)(3), or (ii) the corresponding
requirements of part C in the case of clean fuel
vehicles unless the manufacturer has complied with the
corresponding requirements of part C
(B) to fail or refuse to comply with the requirements
of section 207 (c) or (e), or the corresponding
requirements of part C in the case of clean fuel
vehicles
(C) except as provided in subsection (c)(3) of
section 207 and the corresponding requirements of part
C in the case of clean fuel vehicles, to provide
directly or indirectly in any communication to the
ultimate purchaser or any subsequent purchaser that the
coverage of any warranty under this Act is conditioned
upon use of any part, component, or system manufactured
by such manufacturer or any person acting for such
manufacturer or under his control, or conditioned upon
service performed by any such person, or
(D) to fail or refuse to comply with the terms and
conditions of the warranty under section 207 (a) or (b)
or the corresponding requirements of part C in the case
of clean fuel vehicles with respect to any vehicle; or
(5) for any person to violate section 218, 219, or part C
of this title or any regulations under section 218, 219, or
part C.
No action with respect to any element of design referred to in
paragraph (3) (including any adjustment or alteration of such
element) shall be treated as a prohibited act under such
paragraph (3) if such action is in accordance with section 215.
Nothing in paragraph (3) shall be construed to require the use
ofmanufacturer parts in maintaining or repairing any motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine. For the purposes of the
preceding sentence, the term "manufacturer parts" means, with
respect to a motor vehicle engine, parts produced or sold by the
manufacturer of the motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine. No
action with respect to any device or element of design referred
to in paragraph (3) shall be treated as a prohibited act under
that paragraph if (i) the action is for the purpose of repair or
replacement of the device or element, or is a necessary and
temporary procedure to repair or replace any other item and the
device or element is replaced upon completion of the procedure,
and (ii) such action thereafter results in the proper functioning
of the device or element referred to in paragraph (3). No action
with respect to any device or element of design referred to in
paragraph (3) shall be treated as a prohibited act under that
paragraph if the action is for the purpose of a conversion of a
motor vehicle for use of a clean alternative fuel (as defined in
this title) and if such vehicle complies with the applicable
standard under section 202 when operating on such fuel, and if in
the case of a clean alternative fuel vehicle (as defined by rule
by the Administrator), the device or element is replaced upon
completion of the conversion procedure and such action results in
proper functioning of the device or element when the motor
vehicle operates on conventional fuel.
(b)(1) The Administrator may exempt any new motor vehicle or
new motor vehicle engine from subsection (a), upon such terms and
conditions as he may find necessary for the purpose of research,
investigations, studies, demonstrations, or training, or for
reasons of national security.
(2) A new motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine offered for
importation or imported by any person in violation of subsection
(a) shall be refused admission into the United States, but the
Secretary of the Treasury and the Administrator may, by joint
regulation, provide for deferring final determination as to
admission and authorizing the delivery of such a motor vehicle or
engine offered for import to the owner or consignee thereof upon
such terms and conditions (including the furnishing of a bond) as
may appear to them appropriate to insure that any such motor
vehicle or engine will be brought into conformity with the
standards, requirements, and limitations applicable to it under
this part. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, if a motor
vehicle or engine is finally refused admission under this
paragraph, cause disposition thereof in accordance with the
customs laws unless it is exported, under regulations prescribed
by such Secretary, within ninety days of the date of notice of
such refusal or such additional time as may be permitted pursuant
to such regulations, except that disposition in accordance with
the customs laws may
not be made in such manner as may result, directly or indirectly,
in the sale, to the ultimate consumer, of a new motor vehicle or
new motor vehicle engine that fails to comply with applicable
standards of the Administrator under this part.
(3) A new motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine intended
solely for export, and so labeled or tagged on the outside of the
container and on the vehicle or engine itself, shall be subject
to the provisions of subsection (a), except that if the country
which is to receive such vehicle or engine has emission standards
which differ from the standards prescribed under section 202,
then such vehicle or engine shall comply with the standards of
such country which is to receive such vehicle or engine.
[42 U.S.C. 7522]
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt
SEC. 205. CIVIL PENALTIES.
(a) Violations.- Any person who violates sections 203(a)(1),
203(a)(4), or 203(a)(5) or any manufacturer or dealer who
violates section 203(a)(3)(A) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $25,000. Any person otherthan a manufacturer or
dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) or any person who
violates section 203(a)(3)(B) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $2,500. Any such violation with respect to
paragraph (1),(3)(A), or (4) of section 203(a) shall constitute a
separate offense with respect to each motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine. Any such violation with respect to section
203(a)(3)(B) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to
each part or component. Any person who violates section 203(a)(2)
shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000 per
day of violation.
(b) Civil Actions.- The Administrator may commence a civil
action to assess and recover any civil penalty under subsection
(a) of this section, section 211(d), or section 213(d). Any
action under this subsection may be brought in the district court
of the United States for the district in which the violation is
alleged to have occurred or in which the defendant resides or has
the Administrator's principal place of business, and the court
shall have jurisdiction to assess a civil penalty. In determining
the amount of any civil penalty to be assessed under this
subsection, the court shall take into account the gravity of the
violation, the economic benefit or savings (if any) resulting
from the violation, the size of the violator's business, the
violator's history of compliance with this title, action taken to
remedy the violation, the effect of the penalty on the violator's
ability to continue in business, and such other matters as
justice may require. In any such action, subpoenas for witnesses
who are
required to attend a district court in any district may run into
any other district.
(c) Administrative Assessment of Certain Penalties.-
(1) Administrative penalty authority.- In lieu of
commencing a civil action under subsection (b), the
Administrator may assess any civil penalty prescribed in
subsection (a) of this section, section 211(d), or section
213(d), except that the maximum amount of penalty sought
against each violator in a penalty assessment proceeding
shall not exceed $200,000, unless the Administrator and
the Attorney General jointly determine that a matter
involving a larger penalty amount is appropriate for
administrative penalty assessment. Any such determination
by the Administrator and the Attorney General shall not be
subject to judicial review. Assessment of a civil penalty
under this subsection shall be by an order made on the
record after opportunity for a hearing in accordance with
sections 554 and 556 of title 5 of the United States Code.
The Administrator shall issue reasonable rules for
discovery and other procedures for hearings under this
paragraph. Before issuing such an order, the Administrator
shall give written notice to the person to be assessed an
administrative penalty of the Administrator's proposal to
issue such order and provide such person an opportunity to
request such a hearing on the order, within 30 days of the
date the notice is received by such person. The
Administrator may compromise, or remit, with or without
conditions, any administrative penalty which may be
imposed under this section.
(2) Determining amount.- In determining the amount of
any civil penalty assessed under this subsection, the
Administrator shall take into account the gravity of the
violation, the economic benefit or savings (if any)
resulting from the violation, the size of the violator's
business, the violator's history of compliance with this
title, action taken to remedy the violation, the effect of
the penalty on the violator's ability to continue in
business, and such other matters as justice may require.
(3) Effect of administrator's action.- (A) Action by
the Administrator under this subsection shall not affect
or limit the Administrator's authority to enforce any
provision of this Act; except that any violation,
(i) with respect to which the Administrator has
commenced and is diligently prosecuting an action
under this subsection, or
(ii) for which the Administrator has issued a
final order not subject to further judicial review
and the violator has paid a penalty assessment under
this subsection,
shall not be the subject of civil penalty action under
subsection (b).
(B) No action by the Administrator under this
subsection shall affect any person's obligation to comply
with any section of this Act.
(4) Finality of order.- An order issued under this
subsection shall become final 30 days after its issuance
unless a petition for judicial review is filed under
paragraph (5).
(5) Judicial review.- Any person against whom a civil
penalty is assessed in accordance with this subsection may
seek review of the assessment in the United States District
Court for the District of Columbia, or for the district in
which the violation is alleged to have occurred, in which
such person resides, or where such person's principal place
of business is located, within the 30-day period beginning
on the date a civil penalty order is issued. Such person
shall simultaneously send a copy of the filing by certified
mail to the Administrator and the Attorney General. The
Administrator shall file in the court a certified copy, or
certified index, as appropriate, of the record on which the
order was issued within 30 days. The court shall not set
aside or remand any order issued in accordance with the
requirements of this subsection unless there is not
substantial evidence in the record, taken as a whole, to
support the finding of a violation or unless the
Administrator's assessment of the penalty constitutes an
abuse of discretion, and the court shall not impose
additional civil penalties unless the Administrator's
assessment of the penalty constitutes an abuse of
discretion. In any proceedings, the United States may seek
to recover civil penalties assessed under this section.
(6) Collection.- If any person fails to pay an assessment
of a civil penalty imposed by the Administrator as provided
in this subsection-
(A) after the order making the assessment has become
final, or
(B) after a court in an action brought under
paragraph (5) has entered a final judgment in favor of
the Administrator,
the Administrator shall request the Attorney General to
bring a civil action in an appropriate district court to
recover the amount assessed (plus interest at rates
established pursuant to section 6621(a)(2) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986 from the date of the final order or the
date of the final judgment, as the case may be). In such an
action, the validity, amount, and appropriateness of the
penalty shall not be subject to review. Any person who fails
to pay on a timely basis the amount of an assessment of a
civil penalty as described in the first sentence of this
paragraph shall be required to pay, in addition to that
amount and interest, the United States' enforcement
expenses, including attorneys fees and costs for collection
proceedings, and a quarterly nonpayment penalty for each
quarter during which such failure to pay persists. The
nonpayment penalty shall be in an amount equal to 10 percent
of the aggregate amount of that person's penalties and
nonpayment penalties which are unpaid as of the beginning of
such quarter.
[42 U.S.C. 7524]
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
Here you go.
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html#iia
EPA Laws sections.
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt
Sec. 203. (a) The following acts and the causing thereof are
prohibited-
(1) in the case of a manufacturer of new motor vehicles or
new motor vehicle engines for distribution in commerce, the
sale, or the offering for sale, or the introduction, or
delivery for introduction, into commerce, or (in the case of
any person, except as provided by regulation of the Adminis-
trator), the importation into the United States, of any new
motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine, manufactured
after the effective date of regulations under this part
which are applicable to such vehicle or engine unless such
vehicle or engine is covered by a certificate of conformity
issued (and in effect) under regulations prescribed under
this part or part C in the case of clean-fuel vehicles
(except as provided in subsection (b));
(2)(A) for any person to fail or refuse to permit access
to or copying of records or to fail to make reports or
provide information required under section 208;
(B) for any person to fail or refuse to permit entry,
testing or inspection authorized under section 206(c) or
section 208;
(C) for any person to fail or refuse to perform tests, or
have tests performed as required under section 208;
(D) for any manufacturer to fail to make information
available as provided by regulation under section 202(m)(5);
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
(4) for any manufacturer of a new motor vehicle or new
motor vehicle engine subject to standards prescribed under
section 202 or Part C-
(A) to sell or lease any such vehicle or engine
unless such manufacturer has complied with (i) the
requirements of section 207 (a) and (b) with respect to
such vehicle or engine, and unless a label or tag is
affixed to such vehicle or engine in accordance with
section 207(c)(3), or (ii) the corresponding
requirements of part C in the case of clean fuel
vehicles unless the manufacturer has complied with the
corresponding requirements of part C
(B) to fail or refuse to comply with the requirements
of section 207 (c) or (e), or the corresponding
requirements of part C in the case of clean fuel
vehicles
(C) except as provided in subsection (c)(3) of
section 207 and the corresponding requirements of part
C in the case of clean fuel vehicles, to provide
directly or indirectly in any communication to the
ultimate purchaser or any subsequent purchaser that the
coverage of any warranty under this Act is conditioned
upon use of any part, component, or system manufactured
by such manufacturer or any person acting for such
manufacturer or under his control, or conditioned upon
service performed by any such person, or
(D) to fail or refuse to comply with the terms and
conditions of the warranty under section 207 (a) or (b)
or the corresponding requirements of part C in the case
of clean fuel vehicles with respect to any vehicle; or
(5) for any person to violate section 218, 219, or part C
of this title or any regulations under section 218, 219, or
part C.
No action with respect to any element of design referred to in
paragraph (3) (including any adjustment or alteration of such
element) shall be treated as a prohibited act under such
paragraph (3) if such action is in accordance with section 215.
Nothing in paragraph (3) shall be construed to require the use
ofmanufacturer parts in maintaining or repairing any motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine. For the purposes of the
preceding sentence, the term "manufacturer parts" means, with
respect to a motor vehicle engine, parts produced or sold by the
manufacturer of the motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine. No
action with respect to any device or element of design referred
to in paragraph (3) shall be treated as a prohibited act under
that paragraph if (i) the action is for the purpose of repair or
replacement of the device or element, or is a necessary and
temporary procedure to repair or replace any other item and the
device or element is replaced upon completion of the procedure,
and (ii) such action thereafter results in the proper functioning
of the device or element referred to in paragraph (3). No action
with respect to any device or element of design referred to in
paragraph (3) shall be treated as a prohibited act under that
paragraph if the action is for the purpose of a conversion of a
motor vehicle for use of a clean alternative fuel (as defined in
this title) and if such vehicle complies with the applicable
standard under section 202 when operating on such fuel, and if in
the case of a clean alternative fuel vehicle (as defined by rule
by the Administrator), the device or element is replaced upon
completion of the conversion procedure and such action results in
proper functioning of the device or element when the motor
vehicle operates on conventional fuel.
(b)(1) The Administrator may exempt any new motor vehicle or
new motor vehicle engine from subsection (a), upon such terms and
conditions as he may find necessary for the purpose of research,
investigations, studies, demonstrations, or training, or for
reasons of national security.
(2) A new motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine offered for
importation or imported by any person in violation of subsection
(a) shall be refused admission into the United States, but the
Secretary of the Treasury and the Administrator may, by joint
regulation, provide for deferring final determination as to
admission and authorizing the delivery of such a motor vehicle or
engine offered for import to the owner or consignee thereof upon
such terms and conditions (including the furnishing of a bond) as
may appear to them appropriate to insure that any such motor
vehicle or engine will be brought into conformity with the
standards, requirements, and limitations applicable to it under
this part. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, if a motor
vehicle or engine is finally refused admission under this
paragraph, cause disposition thereof in accordance with the
customs laws unless it is exported, under regulations prescribed
by such Secretary, within ninety days of the date of notice of
such refusal or such additional time as may be permitted pursuant
to such regulations, except that disposition in accordance with
the customs laws may
not be made in such manner as may result, directly or indirectly,
in the sale, to the ultimate consumer, of a new motor vehicle or
new motor vehicle engine that fails to comply with applicable
standards of the Administrator under this part.
(3) A new motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine intended
solely for export, and so labeled or tagged on the outside of the
container and on the vehicle or engine itself, shall be subject
to the provisions of subsection (a), except that if the country
which is to receive such vehicle or engine has emission standards
which differ from the standards prescribed under section 202,
then such vehicle or engine shall comply with the standards of
such country which is to receive such vehicle or engine.
[42 U.S.C. 7522]
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt
SEC. 205. CIVIL PENALTIES.
(a) Violations.- Any person who violates sections 203(a)(1),
203(a)(4), or 203(a)(5) or any manufacturer or dealer who
violates section 203(a)(3)(A) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $25,000. Any person otherthan a manufacturer or
dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) or any person who
violates section 203(a)(3)(B) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $2,500. Any such violation with respect to
paragraph (1),(3)(A), or (4) of section 203(a) shall constitute a
separate offense with respect to each motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine. Any such violation with respect to section
203(a)(3)(B) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to
each part or component. Any person who violates section 203(a)(2)
shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000 per
day of violation.
(b) Civil Actions.- The Administrator may commence a civil
action to assess and recover any civil penalty under subsection
(a) of this section, section 211(d), or section 213(d). Any
action under this subsection may be brought in the district court
of the United States for the district in which the violation is
alleged to have occurred or in which the defendant resides or has
the Administrator's principal place of business, and the court
shall have jurisdiction to assess a civil penalty. In determining
the amount of any civil penalty to be assessed under this
subsection, the court shall take into account the gravity of the
violation, the economic benefit or savings (if any) resulting
from the violation, the size of the violator's business, the
violator's history of compliance with this title, action taken to
remedy the violation, the effect of the penalty on the violator's
ability to continue in business, and such other matters as
justice may require. In any such action, subpoenas for witnesses
who are
required to attend a district court in any district may run into
any other district.
(c) Administrative Assessment of Certain Penalties.-
(1) Administrative penalty authority.- In lieu of
commencing a civil action under subsection (b), the
Administrator may assess any civil penalty prescribed in
subsection (a) of this section, section 211(d), or section
213(d), except that the maximum amount of penalty sought
against each violator in a penalty assessment proceeding
shall not exceed $200,000, unless the Administrator and
the Attorney General jointly determine that a matter
involving a larger penalty amount is appropriate for
administrative penalty assessment. Any such determination
by the Administrator and the Attorney General shall not be
subject to judicial review. Assessment of a civil penalty
under this subsection shall be by an order made on the
record after opportunity for a hearing in accordance with
sections 554 and 556 of title 5 of the United States Code.
The Administrator shall issue reasonable rules for
discovery and other procedures for hearings under this
paragraph. Before issuing such an order, the Administrator
shall give written notice to the person to be assessed an
administrative penalty of the Administrator's proposal to
issue such order and provide such person an opportunity to
request such a hearing on the order, within 30 days of the
date the notice is received by such person. The
Administrator may compromise, or remit, with or without
conditions, any administrative penalty which may be
imposed under this section.
(2) Determining amount.- In determining the amount of
any civil penalty assessed under this subsection, the
Administrator shall take into account the gravity of the
violation, the economic benefit or savings (if any)
resulting from the violation, the size of the violator's
business, the violator's history of compliance with this
title, action taken to remedy the violation, the effect of
the penalty on the violator's ability to continue in
business, and such other matters as justice may require.
(3) Effect of administrator's action.- (A) Action by
the Administrator under this subsection shall not affect
or limit the Administrator's authority to enforce any
provision of this Act; except that any violation,
(i) with respect to which the Administrator has
commenced and is diligently prosecuting an action
under this subsection, or
(ii) for which the Administrator has issued a
final order not subject to further judicial review
and the violator has paid a penalty assessment under
this subsection,
shall not be the subject of civil penalty action under
subsection (b).
(B) No action by the Administrator under this
subsection shall affect any person's obligation to comply
with any section of this Act.
(4) Finality of order.- An order issued under this
subsection shall become final 30 days after its issuance
unless a petition for judicial review is filed under
paragraph (5).
(5) Judicial review.- Any person against whom a civil
penalty is assessed in accordance with this subsection may
seek review of the assessment in the United States District
Court for the District of Columbia, or for the district in
which the violation is alleged to have occurred, in which
such person resides, or where such person's principal place
of business is located, within the 30-day period beginning
on the date a civil penalty order is issued. Such person
shall simultaneously send a copy of the filing by certified
mail to the Administrator and the Attorney General. The
Administrator shall file in the court a certified copy, or
certified index, as appropriate, of the record on which the
order was issued within 30 days. The court shall not set
aside or remand any order issued in accordance with the
requirements of this subsection unless there is not
substantial evidence in the record, taken as a whole, to
support the finding of a violation or unless the
Administrator's assessment of the penalty constitutes an
abuse of discretion, and the court shall not impose
additional civil penalties unless the Administrator's
assessment of the penalty constitutes an abuse of
discretion. In any proceedings, the United States may seek
to recover civil penalties assessed under this section.
(6) Collection.- If any person fails to pay an assessment
of a civil penalty imposed by the Administrator as provided
in this subsection-
(A) after the order making the assessment has become
final, or
(B) after a court in an action brought under
paragraph (5) has entered a final judgment in favor of
the Administrator,
the Administrator shall request the Attorney General to
bring a civil action in an appropriate district court to
recover the amount assessed (plus interest at rates
established pursuant to section 6621(a)(2) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986 from the date of the final order or the
date of the final judgment, as the case may be). In such an
action, the validity, amount, and appropriateness of the
penalty shall not be subject to review. Any person who fails
to pay on a timely basis the amount of an assessment of a
civil penalty as described in the first sentence of this
paragraph shall be required to pay, in addition to that
amount and interest, the United States' enforcement
expenses, including attorneys fees and costs for collection
proceedings, and a quarterly nonpayment penalty for each
quarter during which such failure to pay persists. The
nonpayment penalty shall be in an amount equal to 10 percent
of the aggregate amount of that person's penalties and
nonpayment penalties which are unpaid as of the beginning of
such quarter.
[42 U.S.C. 7524]
MT-2500
05-08-2006, 04:09 PM
I looked on several search engines and the EPA site. I found nothing that states this is illegal.
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
I found most of it under the clean air act and it does look like the good old EPA has a big hand in it.
Secton 3 of 203[a] covers it real good.
Does that cover or answer your question on it?
MT
Would you happen to have any links to show this? I'm not trying to be an @ss, but want to know where you're getting your information from.
I found most of it under the clean air act and it does look like the good old EPA has a big hand in it.
Secton 3 of 203[a] covers it real good.
Does that cover or answer your question on it?
MT
Faze3
05-08-2006, 04:13 PM
Hmm.
Glad I got rid of my 2001 Ram 1500 then (don't say it).
I had a problem w/cold starts. One of their attempted solutions was a software update that just happened to remove the govenor. I think it was supposed to limit you to 99, but I was able to get it upto 120 after they flashed the computer.
Still makes me wonder how everyone can be selling these devices...
Glad I got rid of my 2001 Ram 1500 then (don't say it).
I had a problem w/cold starts. One of their attempted solutions was a software update that just happened to remove the govenor. I think it was supposed to limit you to 99, but I was able to get it upto 120 after they flashed the computer.
Still makes me wonder how everyone can be selling these devices...
silveradoking
05-08-2006, 07:49 PM
I wonder what moron is going to read all that crap......If you want to move the speed limiter, just get a tune......
--Nelson Performance
--Jesse Performance
--Wester's
--PCM for Less
All quality tunes. Do a search for them and call them up, and see for yourself. 100% LEGAL
You can even buy a handheld tuner, and change it yourself.
--Nelson Performance
--Jesse Performance
--Wester's
--PCM for Less
All quality tunes. Do a search for them and call them up, and see for yourself. 100% LEGAL
You can even buy a handheld tuner, and change it yourself.
silveradoking
05-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Oh, by the way, I '()' all your spelling mistakes...
"That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for (a) repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal (emmisions) stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car (manfactures) have to meet federal (emmisions) and (saftey) (guide lines.)
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto (emmisions) laws.
MT"
"That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for (a) repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal (emmisions) stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car (manfactures) have to meet federal (emmisions) and (saftey) (guide lines.)
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto (emmisions) laws.
MT"
MT-2500
05-08-2006, 10:14 PM
Hmm.
Glad I got rid of my 2001 Ram 1500 then (don't say it).
I had a problem w/cold starts. One of their attempted solutions was a software update that just happened to remove the govenor. I think it was supposed to limit you to 99, but I was able to get it upto 120 after they flashed the computer.
Still makes me wonder how everyone can be selling these devices...
10-4 on that Faze3
Sorry about the long post on rules and regulations on it. But when the EPA has a hand in it no wonder. That part even surprised me. :grinyes: :lol:
MT
Glad I got rid of my 2001 Ram 1500 then (don't say it).
I had a problem w/cold starts. One of their attempted solutions was a software update that just happened to remove the govenor. I think it was supposed to limit you to 99, but I was able to get it upto 120 after they flashed the computer.
Still makes me wonder how everyone can be selling these devices...
10-4 on that Faze3
Sorry about the long post on rules and regulations on it. But when the EPA has a hand in it no wonder. That part even surprised me. :grinyes: :lol:
MT
MT-2500
05-08-2006, 10:34 PM
Oh, by the way, I '()' all your spelling mistakes...
"That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for (a) repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal (emmisions) stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car (manfactures) have to meet federal (emmisions) and (saftey) (guide lines.)
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto (emmisions) laws.
MT"
Well run this threw your spell checker and it might be in your best interest to learn to read while you are at it.
Have a good day and keep up that spell checking for me. :grinyes: :lol:
MT
"That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for (a) repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal (emmisions) stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car (manfactures) have to meet federal (emmisions) and (saftey) (guide lines.)
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto (emmisions) laws.
MT"
Well run this threw your spell checker and it might be in your best interest to learn to read while you are at it.
Have a good day and keep up that spell checking for me. :grinyes: :lol:
MT
MT-2500
05-09-2006, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=silveradoking]Oh, by the way, I '(@#*&%$#))&^#@!&&)' all your spealling mistakes...
Check this out for spealling and read it to while you are at it.
Federal emissions laws of the EPA clean air act
203 section 3-A
The Law reads.
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
The penality can be.
SEC. 205. A CIVIL PENALTIES.
(a) Violations.- Any person who violates sections 203(a)(1),
203(a)(4), or 203(a)(5) or any manufacturer or dealer who
violates section 203(a)(3)(A) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $25,000. Any person otherthan a manufacturer or
dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) or any person who
violates section 203(a)(3)(B) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $2,500. Any such violation with respect to
paragraph (1),(3)(A), or (4) of section 203(a) shall constitute a
separate offense with respect to each motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine. Any such violation with respect to section
203(a)(3)(B) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to
each part or component. Any person who violates section 203(a)(2)
shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000 per
day of violation.
Check this out for spealling and read it to while you are at it.
Federal emissions laws of the EPA clean air act
203 section 3-A
The Law reads.
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
The penality can be.
SEC. 205. A CIVIL PENALTIES.
(a) Violations.- Any person who violates sections 203(a)(1),
203(a)(4), or 203(a)(5) or any manufacturer or dealer who
violates section 203(a)(3)(A) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $25,000. Any person otherthan a manufacturer or
dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) or any person who
violates section 203(a)(3)(B) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $2,500. Any such violation with respect to
paragraph (1),(3)(A), or (4) of section 203(a) shall constitute a
separate offense with respect to each motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine. Any such violation with respect to section
203(a)(3)(B) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to
each part or component. Any person who violates section 203(a)(2)
shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000 per
day of violation.
NoRiceHere01
05-09-2006, 06:08 PM
what the heck is all this?all the guy asked was what he needed to do to remove the speed limiter on his truck. he didnt ask if it was legal or smart. he also didnt ask about catalytic converters. im savin my pennies for a nelson tune and when i get it my speed limiter and cats r both gonna be gone. if that is not in accordance with new jersey or federal emission standards they can buy the truck from me and fix it. for fear of bein banned or gettin the thread locked im not gonna say what i feel about those people tellin me what i can and cannot do to my own vehicle.
MT-2500
05-09-2006, 07:33 PM
what the heck is all this?all the guy asked was what he needed to do to remove the speed limiter on his truck. he didnt ask if it was legal or smart. he also didnt ask about catalytic converters. im savin my pennies for a nelson tune and when i get it my speed limiter and cats r both gonna be gone. if that is not in accordance with new jersey or federal emission standards they can buy the truck from me and fix it. for fear of bein banned or gettin the thread locked im not gonna say what i feel about those people tellin me what i can and cannot do to my own vehicle.
No problem No sweat. Go ahead and do what you gota do.
The origional poster asked how to do it.
I informed him there was a way but it was illegal and asked why and if if he still wanted to do it.
{quote from my post back to him}
First things first.
It may be illegal to tamper with it.
It is part of your federal emmisions and any time you operate it on a federal highway you are subject to federal emmisions laws.
Also if you are involved in a accident your insurance company may check your trucks computer system and if it has been tampered with you could be in hot water.
After reviewing that do you still want to know how to do it or think it is a good idea?
Where there is a will there is a way.
But for now can you give us a good reason why you want to remove it?
Is it going to be operated on a federal highway or only drag strip/raceway?
But as you can see he did not post back with any info.
But Another poster also told him how to do it.
And then another poster Faze 3 wanted to know the laws on it or where I found/got them so i posted it back to him.
So as you can see it was all asked for and recieved.
Why make a big deal out of it?
MT
No problem No sweat. Go ahead and do what you gota do.
The origional poster asked how to do it.
I informed him there was a way but it was illegal and asked why and if if he still wanted to do it.
{quote from my post back to him}
First things first.
It may be illegal to tamper with it.
It is part of your federal emmisions and any time you operate it on a federal highway you are subject to federal emmisions laws.
Also if you are involved in a accident your insurance company may check your trucks computer system and if it has been tampered with you could be in hot water.
After reviewing that do you still want to know how to do it or think it is a good idea?
Where there is a will there is a way.
But for now can you give us a good reason why you want to remove it?
Is it going to be operated on a federal highway or only drag strip/raceway?
But as you can see he did not post back with any info.
But Another poster also told him how to do it.
And then another poster Faze 3 wanted to know the laws on it or where I found/got them so i posted it back to him.
So as you can see it was all asked for and recieved.
Why make a big deal out of it?
MT
TaNK_Em
05-09-2006, 09:00 PM
Hey guys, Lets not get all upset over something like this. People are just trying to give friendly advice no need to take it the wrong way.
- Kevin
- Kevin
silveradoHO
05-10-2006, 10:47 AM
If it's illegal to remove the speed limiter, how come all these companies, like Hypertech, Superchips, ect. can sell their product and claim that it is 50 state legal, when it allows you to change the speed limiter. I have a chip on my truck, and it still passed the states emissions test, therefore I believe it's legal.
MT-2500
05-10-2006, 11:56 AM
If it's illegal to remove the speed limiter, how come all these companies, like Hypertech, Superchips, ect. can sell their product and claim that it is 50 state legal, when it allows you to change the speed limiter. I have a chip on my truck, and it still passed the states emissions test, therefore I believe it's legal.
Your state laws and state inspections may not get into it or cover it.
The law on it is covered by the federal and calif. EPA clean air act.
Sections 203 and 205 as I posted in upper post deal with it.
Some times it takes a lawyer to figure them out.
But take the time to Read them and draw you own conclusion on it.
But keep in mind if a vechicle is involved in a major accident your state police and insurance companys and lawyers can go into your cars computer and retrieve information out of it just like on a flight recorder.
The newer the car the more information is stored in the pc.
Like what speed it was going at the time of accident and when you stepped on the brake and all sorts of other info.
Stuff that a lawyer can have a field day out of.
This info is posted as information only. :grinyes: :lol:
MT
Your state laws and state inspections may not get into it or cover it.
The law on it is covered by the federal and calif. EPA clean air act.
Sections 203 and 205 as I posted in upper post deal with it.
Some times it takes a lawyer to figure them out.
But take the time to Read them and draw you own conclusion on it.
But keep in mind if a vechicle is involved in a major accident your state police and insurance companys and lawyers can go into your cars computer and retrieve information out of it just like on a flight recorder.
The newer the car the more information is stored in the pc.
Like what speed it was going at the time of accident and when you stepped on the brake and all sorts of other info.
Stuff that a lawyer can have a field day out of.
This info is posted as information only. :grinyes: :lol:
MT
jethro_3
05-10-2006, 12:08 PM
Now I remember why I don't come here as much....:icon16: :chair: :banghead:
If you read the post there is a key line that should stand out ==> "...under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser ..."
Be careful and do not read into something that it does not mean nor say. You will also find there is a difference between the letter of the law and the intent of the law.
I think this applies to all decisions..... "Choose wisely Grasshopper!" :2cents:
If you read the post there is a key line that should stand out ==> "...under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser ..."
Be careful and do not read into something that it does not mean nor say. You will also find there is a difference between the letter of the law and the intent of the law.
I think this applies to all decisions..... "Choose wisely Grasshopper!" :2cents:
silveradoHO
05-10-2006, 04:28 PM
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
According to your theory, Hypertech, Superchips and all other programmers are in violation of this law. If this were true, they would be subject to a $25000 fine. I can't believe the EPA would pass on a chance to fine these companies $25000 a piece, not to mention how much they could fine every person that installs one on their vehicle.
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
According to your theory, Hypertech, Superchips and all other programmers are in violation of this law. If this were true, they would be subject to a $25000 fine. I can't believe the EPA would pass on a chance to fine these companies $25000 a piece, not to mention how much they could fine every person that installs one on their vehicle.
vnotaro
05-10-2006, 06:13 PM
If a speed limiter was truly installed on vehicles to keep us from speeding, we all would be limited to whatever the fastest speed limit was or maybe a little higher. One of the main reasons that speed limiters are on our vehicles is that the "most" of the tires that come as factory equipment aren't rated for high speed. Obviously there are exceptions. My Camaro SS came with high speed rated tires and is limited for close to 160 mph.
rustcal
05-10-2006, 08:34 PM
basically if you alter your vehical in any way you are "suppose" to disclose it to the buyer. Dealers have to disclose info like that if they have the intel, not 100% sure about the general public. changing the speed limiter doesn't alter emissions and the factory settings are usually a combo of performance and fuel economy. but there is a window that the engine can be tuned to stay within emissions regulations. that is where nelson, hypertech etc come into play.
MT-2500
05-11-2006, 09:43 AM
If a speed limiter was truly installed on vehicles to keep us from speeding, we all would be limited to whatever the fastest speed limit was or maybe a little higher. One of the main reasons that speed limiters are on our vehicles is that the "most" of the tires that come as factory equipment aren't rated for high speed. Obviously there are exceptions. My Camaro SS came with high speed rated tires and is limited for close to 160 mph.
10-4 on that Vnotaro
You may be on the right tract there.
The speed limiter may be more of a safety device than emissions control.
MT
10-4 on that Vnotaro
You may be on the right tract there.
The speed limiter may be more of a safety device than emissions control.
MT
silverado122775
05-11-2006, 10:15 AM
My God, People!! MT-2500 while you do make valid points, they were unneccessary. A simple question deserves a simple answer.
How do you remove the speed limiter? Retune the PCM to have it removed.. see simple. :)
How do you remove the speed limiter? Retune the PCM to have it removed.. see simple. :)
MT-2500
05-11-2006, 05:24 PM
My God, People!! MT-2500 while you do make valid points, they were unneccessary. A simple question deserves a simple answer.
How do you remove the speed limiter? Retune the PCM to have it removed.. see simple. :)
In my post back to him I told him there was a way and but I asked him why he wanted to do it.
Also I informed him it was an illegal operation and some of the problems he may encounter if he done it.
Also I asked him if he still wanted to do it after that information.
But as you can see he has not posted back with an answer or any more information on it.
As to his question.
That has done be taken care of in the first 2 post back to him.
He has done got the info on how to do it.
It is the after affects from other posters that is taking a while to work out.
But let me ask you this. Or throw in my 2 cents worth on some things to keep in mind..
If a person asks a question on something that may be illegal or that might led to how to kill or injure other people or how to kill or injure himself should be that eager to tell him how to do it?
In my opinion when a poster asks how to remove the speed limiter and if we tell him sure it is ok to do that and jump right to how to do it may be like handing some people a loaded gun and telling them how to kill there self or someone else.
Most speed limiters are set around a 100 MPH.
If removed most cars/trucks can go faster.
And in the wrong hands a speeding car/truck at over a 100 MPH can be a lot more dangerous than a loaded gun.
Or even the with the best of drivers things can go wrong at them speeds.
MT
How do you remove the speed limiter? Retune the PCM to have it removed.. see simple. :)
In my post back to him I told him there was a way and but I asked him why he wanted to do it.
Also I informed him it was an illegal operation and some of the problems he may encounter if he done it.
Also I asked him if he still wanted to do it after that information.
But as you can see he has not posted back with an answer or any more information on it.
As to his question.
That has done be taken care of in the first 2 post back to him.
He has done got the info on how to do it.
It is the after affects from other posters that is taking a while to work out.
But let me ask you this. Or throw in my 2 cents worth on some things to keep in mind..
If a person asks a question on something that may be illegal or that might led to how to kill or injure other people or how to kill or injure himself should be that eager to tell him how to do it?
In my opinion when a poster asks how to remove the speed limiter and if we tell him sure it is ok to do that and jump right to how to do it may be like handing some people a loaded gun and telling them how to kill there self or someone else.
Most speed limiters are set around a 100 MPH.
If removed most cars/trucks can go faster.
And in the wrong hands a speeding car/truck at over a 100 MPH can be a lot more dangerous than a loaded gun.
Or even the with the best of drivers things can go wrong at them speeds.
MT
silveradoking
05-11-2006, 09:13 PM
Your perfectly valid points have lead to a few key points.....
A. It's not illegal.
B. Has nothing to do with emissions.
C. And is not dangerous. Speed on, brother.....
D.MT learned how to spell. Now the grammer is something esle......
A. It's not illegal.
B. Has nothing to do with emissions.
C. And is not dangerous. Speed on, brother.....
D.MT learned how to spell. Now the grammer is something esle......
silverado122775
05-12-2006, 10:46 AM
In my post back to him I told him there was a way and but I asked him why he wanted to do it.
Also I informed him it was an illegal operation and some of the problems he may encounter if he done it.
Also I asked him if he still wanted to do it after that information.
But as you can see he has not posted back with an answer or any more information on it.
As to his question.
That has done be taken care of in the first 2 post back to him.
He has done got the info on how to do it.
It is the after affects from other posters that is taking a while to work out.
But let me ask you this. Or throw in my 2 cents worth on some things to keep in mind..
If a person asks a question on something that may be illegal or that might led to how to kill or injure other people or how to kill or injure himself should be that eager to tell him how to do it?
In my opinion when a poster asks how to remove the speed limiter and if we tell him sure it is ok to do that and jump right to how to do it may be like handing some people a loaded gun and telling them how to kill there self or someone else.
Most speed limiters are set around a 100 MPH.
If removed most cars/trucks can go faster.
And in the wrong hands a speeding car/truck at over a 100 MPH can be a lot more dangerous than a loaded gun.
Or even the with the best of drivers things can go wrong at them speeds.
MT
A car at 25MPH in the wrongs hands is a lethal item.. You still did not make your point.. Not to mention, that removing the speed limitor is not illegal by anymeans. It is a safety feature they started to install that is required by all car manufactures, but it does not state at what speed the limitor has to be.
And if you know how the speed limitor function works you would know that it does not remove it. most PCM retunes program the chip to make the limitor kick in at higher speeds.. usually matches the recommend tire speed. so instead of the 95MPH it is set now.. it could be set to 160MPH, which we all know, very few trucks that are stock or slightly modified will never reach. So technically, even if there is law against it, you are still not breaking it, because the speed limitior is still on.
If what you said about removing the speed limitor is illeagel, then all cars would have the same limitor. NOT 95 for Chevy trucks, 105 for Dodge trucks 160 for Grand Prix.. they would all be the same..
Also I informed him it was an illegal operation and some of the problems he may encounter if he done it.
Also I asked him if he still wanted to do it after that information.
But as you can see he has not posted back with an answer or any more information on it.
As to his question.
That has done be taken care of in the first 2 post back to him.
He has done got the info on how to do it.
It is the after affects from other posters that is taking a while to work out.
But let me ask you this. Or throw in my 2 cents worth on some things to keep in mind..
If a person asks a question on something that may be illegal or that might led to how to kill or injure other people or how to kill or injure himself should be that eager to tell him how to do it?
In my opinion when a poster asks how to remove the speed limiter and if we tell him sure it is ok to do that and jump right to how to do it may be like handing some people a loaded gun and telling them how to kill there self or someone else.
Most speed limiters are set around a 100 MPH.
If removed most cars/trucks can go faster.
And in the wrong hands a speeding car/truck at over a 100 MPH can be a lot more dangerous than a loaded gun.
Or even the with the best of drivers things can go wrong at them speeds.
MT
A car at 25MPH in the wrongs hands is a lethal item.. You still did not make your point.. Not to mention, that removing the speed limitor is not illegal by anymeans. It is a safety feature they started to install that is required by all car manufactures, but it does not state at what speed the limitor has to be.
And if you know how the speed limitor function works you would know that it does not remove it. most PCM retunes program the chip to make the limitor kick in at higher speeds.. usually matches the recommend tire speed. so instead of the 95MPH it is set now.. it could be set to 160MPH, which we all know, very few trucks that are stock or slightly modified will never reach. So technically, even if there is law against it, you are still not breaking it, because the speed limitior is still on.
If what you said about removing the speed limitor is illeagel, then all cars would have the same limitor. NOT 95 for Chevy trucks, 105 for Dodge trucks 160 for Grand Prix.. they would all be the same..
jethro_3
05-12-2006, 12:28 PM
THe VHO had a limit of 98
The AWD SS had a limit of 108....
Same frame, one with extra differentail and transfer case, same body one minus the body cladding.
So now we ask again WHO set the limiter for WHAT reason?????
The AWD SS had a limit of 108....
Same frame, one with extra differentail and transfer case, same body one minus the body cladding.
So now we ask again WHO set the limiter for WHAT reason?????
silverado122775
05-12-2006, 01:36 PM
THe VHO had a limit of 98
The AWD SS had a limit of 108....
Same frame, one with extra differentail and transfer case, same body one minus the body cladding.
So now we ask again WHO set the limiter for WHAT reason?????
who are you directing this question to?
The AWD SS had a limit of 108....
Same frame, one with extra differentail and transfer case, same body one minus the body cladding.
So now we ask again WHO set the limiter for WHAT reason?????
who are you directing this question to?
MT-2500
05-12-2006, 03:09 PM
A car at 25MPH in the wrongs hands is a lethal item.. You still did not make your point.. Not to mention, that removing the speed limitor is not illegal by anymeans. It is a safety feature they started to install that is required by all car manufactures, but it does not state at what speed the limitor has to be.
And if you know how the speed limitor function works you would know that it does not remove it. most PCM retunes program the chip to make the limitor kick in at higher speeds.. usually matches the recommend tire speed. so instead of the 95MPH it is set now.. it could be set to 160MPH, which we all know, very few trucks that are stock or slightly modified will never reach. So technically, even if there is law against it, you are still not breaking it, because the speed limitior is still on.
If what you said about removing the speed limitor is illeagel, then all cars would have the same limitor. NOT 95 for Chevy trucks, 105 for Dodge trucks 160 for Grand Prix.. they would all be the same..
We could throw that around all day and not get anyplace.
But.
I do not see where being a safety feature is a loophole.
The pcm/vcm is an emission device period
Anything that goes threw or is controlled by the PCN/VCM is covered under EPA remove or render inoperative or make or sell or install any device to render inoperative any device is covered under the emissions laws.
The pcm/Vcm is an emission control device.
Even if something is a safety feature. If it is controlled by and is still part of an emissions device it is covered under emission laws.
Everybody should.
Read the rules and regulations on it real close.
And not only the Federal/calf EPA clean air act rules.
Each state and county and city may have there own rules and regulations to add on to the federal rules.
PART 3 [a] of section 203
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
(4) for any manufacturer of a new motor vehicle or new
motor vehicle engine subject to standards prescribed under
section 202 or Part C-
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa205.txt
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html#iia
Good Luck MT
And if you know how the speed limitor function works you would know that it does not remove it. most PCM retunes program the chip to make the limitor kick in at higher speeds.. usually matches the recommend tire speed. so instead of the 95MPH it is set now.. it could be set to 160MPH, which we all know, very few trucks that are stock or slightly modified will never reach. So technically, even if there is law against it, you are still not breaking it, because the speed limitior is still on.
If what you said about removing the speed limitor is illeagel, then all cars would have the same limitor. NOT 95 for Chevy trucks, 105 for Dodge trucks 160 for Grand Prix.. they would all be the same..
We could throw that around all day and not get anyplace.
But.
I do not see where being a safety feature is a loophole.
The pcm/vcm is an emission device period
Anything that goes threw or is controlled by the PCN/VCM is covered under EPA remove or render inoperative or make or sell or install any device to render inoperative any device is covered under the emissions laws.
The pcm/Vcm is an emission control device.
Even if something is a safety feature. If it is controlled by and is still part of an emissions device it is covered under emission laws.
Everybody should.
Read the rules and regulations on it real close.
And not only the Federal/calf EPA clean air act rules.
Each state and county and city may have there own rules and regulations to add on to the federal rules.
PART 3 [a] of section 203
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or
(4) for any manufacturer of a new motor vehicle or new
motor vehicle engine subject to standards prescribed under
section 202 or Part C-
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa205.txt
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html#iia
Good Luck MT
silverado122775
05-13-2006, 03:23 AM
"prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser". All this means is that they have to disclose if they tampered or modified anything from the manufacture.. says nothing about the ultimate purchaser not able to make your own mods. Perhaps you need to re-read the quotes you sent.. I think you just stabed youself in the foot again. :D
Anyways.. I am done with this topic. I think we all made our point.
Anyways.. I am done with this topic. I think we all made our point.
MT-2500
05-13-2006, 05:15 PM
"prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser". All this means is that they have to disclose if they tampered or modified anything from the manufacture.. says nothing about the ultimate purchaser not able to make your own mods. Perhaps you need to re-read the quotes you sent.. I think you just stabed youself in the foot again. :D
Anyways.. I am done with this topic. I think we all made our point.
Before we go stabing people in the foot.
What is the problem with reading the hole thing and not just the part of it that suits you wants.
Right after prior to sale it covers after the sale.
3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or[/COLOR]
Anyways.. I am done with this topic. I think we all made our point.
Before we go stabing people in the foot.
What is the problem with reading the hole thing and not just the part of it that suits you wants.
Right after prior to sale it covers after the sale.
3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or[/COLOR]
MT-2500
05-13-2006, 11:13 PM
Well wake up there fellows. You are now in the head lines on Google search engine. :grinyes: :rofl: :lol:
Even though it is standard information and procedure for a repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal emmisions stuff or saftey devices. ...www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t561463.html - 116k - Cached - Similar pages
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automotive safety devices laws
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The law was soundly defeated. After a period the legislature passed another mandatory seat-belt ... Active saftey devices are designed to prevent crahses.
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jumpingjack66
05-14-2006, 12:38 AM
Here is a starter. I did not have time to go into it very deep.
Run a search under federal emissions laws or the Federal clean air act
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/emissions.htm
Emissions Laws
The Federal Clean Air Act as amended in 1990 has extended the prohibition against removal or rendering inoperative vehicle emissions control devices by the consumer. Changing an engine or even a transmission in a vehicle may change its pollution status and render it illegal for street or even off-road use on lands that are covered by emissions laws. This usually applies to later model vehicles and this, along with other pertinent laws vary from state to state. Generally engines and associated emissions controls from vehicles that are the same year or newer vintage as the vehicle to which they are being converted are legal swaps. However, it is the owner's responsibility to investigate the smog laws and determine that any changes you make to your vehicle will not cause it to be in violation of any state and federal regulations.
Many often ask about the difficulty of installing late model engines, especially those which are OBDII compliant - which includes all engines after 1996. There are some sticky issues involved, but as interest in swaps remains so strong, many resources are available to help decipher it all. We will continue to work in this area so we may be of assistance and offer helpful products to assist with these technologically advanced conversions.
http://www.racingbeat.com/emissions.htm
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Vehicle Programs & Compliance Division (6405J)
Attn: Warranty Complaints
401 M Street, SW
Washington, DC 20460
I had know idea that they had done this and passed this kind of restictions. But i say they can kiss my ass, I'm putting a 6 liter in mine, while sipping on some very clear and tasty moonshine...jj
Run a search under federal emissions laws or the Federal clean air act
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/emissions.htm
Emissions Laws
The Federal Clean Air Act as amended in 1990 has extended the prohibition against removal or rendering inoperative vehicle emissions control devices by the consumer. Changing an engine or even a transmission in a vehicle may change its pollution status and render it illegal for street or even off-road use on lands that are covered by emissions laws. This usually applies to later model vehicles and this, along with other pertinent laws vary from state to state. Generally engines and associated emissions controls from vehicles that are the same year or newer vintage as the vehicle to which they are being converted are legal swaps. However, it is the owner's responsibility to investigate the smog laws and determine that any changes you make to your vehicle will not cause it to be in violation of any state and federal regulations.
Many often ask about the difficulty of installing late model engines, especially those which are OBDII compliant - which includes all engines after 1996. There are some sticky issues involved, but as interest in swaps remains so strong, many resources are available to help decipher it all. We will continue to work in this area so we may be of assistance and offer helpful products to assist with these technologically advanced conversions.
http://www.racingbeat.com/emissions.htm
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Vehicle Programs & Compliance Division (6405J)
Attn: Warranty Complaints
401 M Street, SW
Washington, DC 20460
I had know idea that they had done this and passed this kind of restictions. But i say they can kiss my ass, I'm putting a 6 liter in mine, while sipping on some very clear and tasty moonshine...jj
MT-2500
05-14-2006, 10:09 AM
10-4 on that Jack
I am glad to here an opinion from West Virginia.
Good luck with the conversion to 6. Liter.
Have you figured out how to slip a little moonshine in the fuel tank?
Here in Missouri they are setting up a lot of E-85 corn moonshine plants.
Also glad you took the time to read some of the regulations.
I am not here to ague the point or to get it spelled right just to inform people of the laws and rules and regulations on it.
Thanks for posting.
Good Luck
MT
I am glad to here an opinion from West Virginia.
Good luck with the conversion to 6. Liter.
Have you figured out how to slip a little moonshine in the fuel tank?
Here in Missouri they are setting up a lot of E-85 corn moonshine plants.
Also glad you took the time to read some of the regulations.
I am not here to ague the point or to get it spelled right just to inform people of the laws and rules and regulations on it.
Thanks for posting.
Good Luck
MT
MT-2500
05-14-2006, 11:16 AM
Oh, by the way, I '()' all your spelling mistakes...
"That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for (a) repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal (emmisions) stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car (manfactures) have to meet federal (emmisions) and (saftey) (guide lines.)
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto (emmisions) laws.
MT"
Silveradoking Now if you think my spelling is bad just run this [Google] search on automotive saftey devices speed limiter threw your spelling checker!!!!!!!!!
Even crash is spelled crahes :lol: :lol: :grinyes: :rofl:
EDACafe Weekly : Automotive Electronics - April 11, 2005
The law was soundly defeated. After a period the legislature passed another mandatory seat-belt ... Active saftey devices are designed to prevent
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"That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for (a) repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal (emmisions) stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car (manfactures) have to meet federal (emmisions) and (saftey) (guide lines.)
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto (emmisions) laws.
MT"
Silveradoking Now if you think my spelling is bad just run this [Google] search on automotive saftey devices speed limiter threw your spelling checker!!!!!!!!!
Even crash is spelled crahes :lol: :lol: :grinyes: :rofl:
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automotive safety devices laws
Bicycle Accidents: The Law Office Of Gerald Oginski, LLC
You want an attorney who not only knows the law, but also knows how to bike. This attorney knows first ... Contrast that with the saftey devices on a bike: ...http://www.oginski-law.com/practice_...-accidents.cfm - 68k - May 12, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration - Wikipedia, the ...
NHTSA has conducted numerous high-profile investigations of automotive ... yet these are one of the single most important saftey devices ever created. ...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration: Information From ...
NHTSA has conducted numerous high-profile investigations of automotive safety ... belts - yet these were single most important saftey device ever created. ...http://www.answers.com/topic/nationa...administration - 47k - Cached - Similar pages
EDACafe Weekly : Automotive Electronics - April 11, 2005
The law was soundly defeated. After a period the legislature passed another mandatory seat-belt ... Active saftey devices are designed to prevent crahses.
...www10.edacafe.com/nbc/articles/view_weekly.php?section=Magazine&articleid=209172& printerfriendly=1 - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
AutoLab - 2003 Show Archives
Evaluating the 2003 American Automotive Environment ... Infrared Saftey Devices. Robert Erskine, Senior European Correspondent . ...http://www.theautochannel.com/cyberc...3archives.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages
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jveik
05-14-2006, 12:43 PM
lol heres another solution... get a restored 73 chevy truck without engine or tranny for like 3 grand... put a high output 454 in there from gm and put an even bigger cam in it... stick a turbo 400 automatic behind it with a 2000 or 2500 rpm converter in it... put a huge-ass holley vaccum secondary on top of a massive intake manifold... and you have a street legal 500+ horsepower 500+ pound feet of torque monster with no speed limiter lol... altough that costs a little more than a nelson tune or whatever you pepul do to your fuel injected ones... im too poor to mess with newer cars, so mine all have carbs lol
cargod22
05-14-2006, 11:28 PM
ok i brought the truck to a mechanic that i know and ive had the govenor taken off. it was just a simple question damn ...any way this truck is going to be used in a stock drag races at a local drag strip..this is not an every day truck that will be driven.
MT-2500
05-15-2006, 07:58 AM
ok i brought the truck to a mechanic that i know and ive had the govenor taken off. it was just a simple question damn ...any way this truck is going to be used in a stock drag races at a local drag strip..this is not an every day truck that will be driven.
Cargood22
Thanks for posting back with that info.
And telling us know why you wanted to remove it.
Sorry about all of the extra stuff and head to a simple question.
And you can see the post even made the Google search headlines.
Even if they did not get every thing spelled right
But as you have saw there is a lot of technical stuff involved if it was going to be operated on a federal highway.
That is why I asked why you wanted to do it. And posted some of the regulations on it. To make people aware of things like that.
Good luck and let us know how the truck does on the drag strip.
MT
Cargood22
Thanks for posting back with that info.
And telling us know why you wanted to remove it.
Sorry about all of the extra stuff and head to a simple question.
And you can see the post even made the Google search headlines.
Even if they did not get every thing spelled right
But as you have saw there is a lot of technical stuff involved if it was going to be operated on a federal highway.
That is why I asked why you wanted to do it. And posted some of the regulations on it. To make people aware of things like that.
Good luck and let us know how the truck does on the drag strip.
MT
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