Stock 2002 Spec V vs Stock 95 Mitsu GS-T

who will win i think the spec v will stay with maybe even win but i think i might be hyping the spec v alittle too much.....also anyone know the stock 1/4 times of both these cars

the stock times for the spec claimed 15.5 but people are hitting 15.1 stock.....and the eclipse gst hits 14s, watch out for them tho, they are the master sleeper car, my friend's car looks all stock but has a fat ass t4 turbo in his with a blitz intercooler....damn, he's fast

Quarter mile time I have reported from Sport Compact Car is 15.7 sec at a top speed of 87.4 mph.

Hmm. Interesting match up. I'm actually facing a challenge from a friend who has a 96 Eclipse Turbo. Considering whether to accept...

I figure that if I can keep the race distance short enough before his turbo can spool to speed I might have a chance in my Spec V. The QR25DE engine has some pretty high torque and can make the SER jump quickly at the start. The car starts to lag at higher rpms and speeds. I predict the race would begin with the SE-R taking the lead, but losing it as the Eclipse's Turbo kicks in and begins to pull ahead.

The question is at what point will his car's turbo start to kick in and how long should I make the race? I don't think any of the venues (stop light to stop light) he wants to take me are even 1/4 mile long. Yeah, it's a cheap win, I know. He isn't nearly as technical as I am when it comes to cars. I just figure I'll know when to reject his challenges at stop lights and when to entertain him and then spank his butt.

Then again I'm more a specialist with turns. I could just take him on downhills where power matters less.

I've raced 2 gst's in my 2001 sentra se 5-spd. One was a 1g with no visible mods, at first I pulled ahead about a car length and then he stayed on my tail till a car pulled into my lane and I had to slow down (maybe 0-45). The other was a 2g from a roll on at about 60-100, we were even all through 3rd and then when I hit about 80 and went to 4th I started pulling on him and by 100 I was about a car length ahead of him, he had exhaust. My friend with a 2000 maxima se auto has also raced a 2g gst about 3 times in a row and beat it by a car length or 2 every time. I've raced my friend twice and both times we were perfectly even.

I can see a sentra vspec, but your telling me youv'e beat turbo DSMs in your 140hp sentra?

it's 145 plus intake, but anyways, yes

Uh-huh, I bet that intaked gives you the 60hp you would need to keep up with the DSM's and the Max.:rolleyes:

Ok, eclipses are heavy as shit for their size, I don't know the exact #'s but my friend has a 3g gs and it weighs around 3200lbs. About the maxima, it weighs in the range of 3200-3300lbs and has around 220 hp. The auto has around 180 whp giving it a power to weight ratio of ~18.06. The sentra se weighs about 2650 and has about 125-130 whp with the intake, putting at a power to weight ratio of 20.87. With the gearing ratios of the 4-spd maxima and 5-spd sentra, yes, we ran even, twice, once from ~35-100 and the other was 0-45.

I also tried to find the 1/4 mile times for a 2000 maxima se auto but all I could find was one for a 5-spd. Although a 5-spd running a 15.4 would be about right. It would make the auto be high 15's, which, remarkably, is what the 2001 sentra se runs!

heres a link to the thread with that timeslip

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=137233

oh, and I headed over to dsmtalk.com and got some 1/4 mile times on stock gst's

[email protected] with exhaust and k&n drop in filter
[email protected] with k&n drop in and kumho tires
15.35@93 with k&n filter, starquest fmic, free mods, ported t25, turbo back 2.5" no cat, boost control set down to 9 psi
[email protected] with a t-25 @ 15 psi
15.9@89 with HBC @ 15psi, buschur 2.5" turbo back

Those are the only close to stock times I could find. Maybe the drivers I ran against weren't very good but by the looks of these times they were about average if the cars were stock (other than the 2g having exhaust)

[email protected] with k&n drop in and kumho tires

-This is about the only one who knows how to drive.


15.35@93 with k&n filter, starquest fmic, free mods, ported t25, turbo back 2.5" no cat, boost control set down to 9 psi

-Somethings wrong with this, he's got intake, a front mount intercooler, a full exhaust (striaght thru mind you), a ported stock turbo, 9psi, normal is like 11psi, and he's running just about stock. Come'on, somethings going on here.

A GS-T weighs 2900 lbs.

A 3rd gen shouldn't even be called an Eclipse.

And let me get this right, you think your car only loses 15-20hp when you measure at the wheels?
-You'd be lucky if you had 100whp.

One more thing, HP isn't everthing. A stock GST makes roughly 205 lb. ft. of torque at 3000rpm.
-Whats your sentra make? 130, maybe 140.

So your 250lbs lighter but also lack 60+hp and more importantly 60+lb. ft. at a low 3000rpm.

Uh-huh:rolleyes:

PS. A 1st gen. GS-T only weighs about 2600lbs.

And how does a 140hp sentra se run a high 15 when a beastly 180hp/175lb ft Vspec runs a mid 15.

Why do you keep lying?

omg, do some research before you start flaming people.....

15.759 @ 84.55 MPH ('00 SE Radium) - intake, exhaust, pulleys, suspension
[email protected] ('01 SE White) - intake, exhaust, pulleys, short shifter, suspension
15.935 @ 85.56 MPH ('01 SE Blackout) - intake, exhaust
15.672 @ 85.54 MPH ('00 Sentra SE 5spd, White) - intake, exhaust, pulleys, suspension, timing advanced
15.45 @ 88mph, ('01 SE Granite) - short shifter, timing advanced, intake
15.160 @ 91.33 MPH ('01 SE, Radium) - intake, headers, exhaust, timing advanced, short shifter, suspension
15.070 @ 88.01 MPH ('01 SE Black) - intake, headers, exhaust, cams, short shifter, suspension, tires

the times all depend on the driver but from what i've read the se runs about a 15.9 stock with a pretty good driver, 15.8 with a really good one

btw, the spec-v is a low 15 sec car, not mid

Also, the spec is showing a much more significant drivetrain loss than the se. Most of them are dynoing in the 145 hp range with the se around 125. Personally I think 20 whp is about what it takes to drop the sentra from a 15.9 to a 15.2

Originally posted by 1320B4U
PS. A 1st gen. GS-T only weighs about 2600lbs.


well please tell me why then, oh lord, my 91 gs eclipse was SO much slower than my sentra, when, according to you they have the same hp and weigh the same and have basically the same gearing???

Probably because its a 12 year old car that hasn't been kept up by an enthusiast.

youre right, but it was kept up by a very good mechanic and had no major problems during the time we had it other than at 160,000 miles the 2nd gear synchro started to go out

also, if you have any more questions as to the drivetrain loss on the b15 sentra then head on over to www.b15sentra.net there are timeslips, dyno graphs, etc. backing up what i just told you

Okay, let me get something right here. How in the world did you ever beat a Eclipse GS-T?????:confused: Now I am not here to argue but I deffinately have to agree with 1320B4U. I have a SpecV and I can't even beat one. Now a stock one I have no idea. Now on to the quarter mile times. There is no way in hell a Eclipse GS-T is running 15's. Okay, first off my friend in my car club has an I don't know 96-98 GS-T. Now here's my point, first off he has exhaust, intake. He's messed around to raise his boost level, anyway what I'm trying to say is that he beat my friends Type R integra, that Type R's best time at the track was 14.2. Now this TypeR has mods from Spoon, Toda and Aem. There is no way that those GS-T's with some mods are running high 15's. The only thing that guy did to beat the Type R was raise his boost up to 19psi, he only does it when he is racing. The drivers of those cars must be horrible drivers. I mean the best I ever gotten my car down to was 15.0, 15-1.

road and track quotes gs-t [email protected] mph
motortrend nissan ser specv [email protected]
now granted these are 2 different magazines but remeber both cars were driven by profeesional drivers so those quotes are the quickest you may get however hands down you should lose to the gs-t stock to stock

i also agree with babyskyline and the rest, the actual car runs mid 14s to high 14s, i don't think a gs-t could ever get 15 unless they missed a gear and the driver sucked really bad...

anyways, stock vs stock, the spec will lose, so i don't think a SE even have a chance, not to flame or anything, i think u imagine that "T" on the back or someone was posing they have a "gs-t"

So to beat that type r ALL he had to do was raise his boost to 19 psi??? you realize how much above stock that is right?

Anyways, I know they were gs-t's for several reasons, one I saw gs-t on the 2g and turbo on the 1g, now the gs-t is easy to fake on the 2g but the turbo emblem isnt as easy on the 1g. 2nd, I heard the BOV every time they shifted. 3rd, the gs is not that fast unless it has heavy mods. 4th, the 2g had the gs-t spoiler (also pretty easy to fake). The drivers of those 2 gs-t's could have been the worst drivers on the face of the earth, I have no idea, but apparently there are a lot of bad drivers because some of those gs-t times from dsmtalk were bad too. I don't know what is going on with those gs-t times I posted, all I did was take them directly off of http://dsmtalk.com if you don't believe me you can check them out yourselves. Also, obviously that magazine you quoted is wrong banditkiller because the spec does not run a 15.6, I mean hell, babyskyline got a 15.0 and he's not a professional driver, well maybe he is, I have no idea. Also, my friend in the 2k maxima beat a gs-t also and I run even with him. Maybe that gs-t driver was horrible too...I have no idea. I know there are a lot of bad drivers out there and many people don't know how to race well with a turbo, these kids could have gotten the cars 2 days before for their 16th birthday, I don't know, I didn't talk to them. They could have been autos too, I don't know that either, but my friend said that the one he raced in the maxima was a manual.

Originally posted by pinyoot4you
i also agree with babyskyline and the rest, the actual car runs mid 14s to high 14s, i don't think a gs-t could ever get 15 unless they missed a gear and the driver sucked really bad...

anyways, stock vs stock, the spec will lose, so i don't think a SE even have a chance, not to flame or anything, i think u imagine that "T" on the back or someone was posing they have a "gs-t"

please go to dsmtalk.com and find ONE stock gs-t that ran in the 14's

Okay I have an Idea sr20de4evr. Go to my car clubs website. www.kutsujuracing.com and you post on the Lounge threads. The guys name with the GST is Gumby. Go ahead and ask the the guy with the Type R and did he or did not lose to Gumby. Tell them that you are just inquiring about the GST times or go ahead and ask what he has done to his car. Trust me I know what I'm talking about, the whole car club saw him beat the typeR twice. Then you tell me what they said.

SR20, plain and simple, stock for stock you'll get beat, modded for modded you'll get stomped. I can see maybe if you had a DET. You do realize the 4G63 is one of the best 4's on the planet? Did they even know you wanted to race? Even so, sometimes I don't even risk it if I know im going to win. An SE, I would laugh. An S-ER, I would definetly step up.

you guys kill me.. .. stock for stock.. GS-t OWNS JOO>>

modded for modded.. think about this for a second.. modding a friggen TURBOED car.. HELLO??

de-t vs.. GST.. there are gs-t pulling 7's and 8's modded.. however.. i dont think that the DET owner is rebuilding his engine as much. (despite the fastest one i know of only runnign mid 9s)

GS-t VS stock SE.. funny.. gst vs modded SE still kinda funny... gst vs spec.. still laughing over here.. gst vs modded spec.. still laughing.. do you people think about what you people are comparing???


in a spec id step up to a gst.. LOL get out of here.. ;)

sr20dee, for a second there i thought u were the same guy that thinks a SE can smoke a gst ( sr20de4evr )

Man i totally agree with u, stock gst vs stock spec, we can hang but still get spanked, modded spec vs. stock gs-t still we gotta chance,

a good race would be a modded SC spec vs. modded gs-t... maybe

sr20dee or whateva your name is. Let me ask you this. Forget for a minute that we are talking about GS-T's. Are you telling me that your car can smoke or even hang with a SpecV or especially a modded SpecV? I ran plenty of SE's or whatever you have, they don't stand a chance. Whatever ishh your on, yo you need to pass it around because you've obviously been smokin it to much. You can't even sit there and honestly tell me that you beat one, cause if you were in my face I would call you a liar. I take it you never went to the website.

babyskyline....:flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa:



can you point out somewhere i said that i will beat any and all SE-R spec V's???? if not i would STFU.. GTFU

i have only faced a spec up a hill once.. it was rather embarrassing that i wound out my engine and still only was next to him(and not gaining any ground).. while he was chillin out in 5th.. got torque ? :)

back to the topic..

gs-t vs any b15 until REAL tuners get there hands on it will be a Waste of the Mitsus time.. i certainly would not waste my time with one if i had a GS-t..

sr20odee, is ur engine a sr20de-T???

because earlier ur talking about det vs. gst

i have a semi stock SE..there are no bolt on mods on it.. unless you really want to count spark plugs as a mod..

Alright first of all there's no need to be a dick bro, I don't know what all this :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: ishh was about. All I was trying to do was ask a question. So :finger: you with your slow ass SE

To everyone, I am not sr20dee, I think some of you thought he was me so you started bashing him. He was agreeing with all of you so lay off him. I never said I can hang with a spec, hell I know I would get my ass handed to me. Also, I never said that your friend's gs-t didn't beat that type r, what I said was that in order to do it he raised his boost to 19psi. I never said I beat a modded gs-t, I know those things can put down some serious power and they respond very well to bolt ons, just like every other turbo car out there. So please stop saying dsms can run 7-8's...any car can run an 8 with enough money put into it. Hell, theres a celica on the cover of the Oct issue of Turbo that ran a [email protected], but you know what, its not stock, thats what im talking about, stock or very close to stock cars. The 1/4 mile times I posted for every car show that if the gs-t's had a lousy driver or if they were auto, then the outcome would be exactly as it occured. Granted if they had a very good driver, they would beat me. I also never said I killed them, I barely beat both of them. Now please stop the unprovoked flaming and post some hard evidence that what I have said could in no way be true...

"So please stop saying dsms can run 7-8's...any car can run an 8 with enough money put into it. Hell, theres a celica on the cover of the Oct issue of Turbo that ran a [email protected], but you know what, its not stock,"
-sr20de4evr


Yeah, but 9sec.+ DSM's keeps their stock layout, stock discplacement 2.0L(they can be upped to 2.3 i think), aren't tube framed, still stock looking, and are streetable(if you dare). Thus, its going to be a hella of alot cheaper.

To where the Celica and a lot of other imports are apples compared to oranges.

ya I know what you mean, I was just using it to make a point

alright guys, i think that's enough flaming now, it's kinda getting out of hand, sr20de4evr explained himself already, and the guys in the eclipses sucked......so we should just squash this and move on, it's getting childish don't ya think, latez

Originally posted by babyskyline
Alright first of all there's no need to be a dick bro, I don't know what all this :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: ishh was about. All I was trying to do was ask a question. So :finger: you with your slow ass SE

for the record i did answer your question.. the :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: was for the Spec-v vs SE comment.. grow the fuck up..

as far as turning this thread to a flame war.. who cares its only autmotive forum ;)

Anyone who knows me on this site knows that I get along with everyone. I never had a problem with this individual whoever his name is. The problem I had was when he had all this:flipa: :flipa:That was my problem, if I misunderstood someone or something, then thats my bad.

this smiley :flipa: is pretty cool tho

Originally posted by babyskyline
Anyone who knows me on this site knows that I get along with everyone. I never had a problem with this individual whoever his name is. The problem I had was when he had all this:flipa: :flipa:That was my problem, if I misunderstood someone or something, then thats my bad.

i respect that.. im hardly on this board enough to have a rep here. i did however feel accused of saying stuff i didnt. so I replyied with the now infamous:flipa: ;) so accept my apology.. :frog:

No problem, it's squashed:D