looky looky what I am getting

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=58


It's safe to say. :ylsuper: :bananasmi

Sweet, its the China GT though, hope it works out good for you.

mmm
no it's not actually, it;s made in their shop, check out their home page about the lawsuit against SBR, it is the real deal.

here is a link http://turbochargers.com/evo316g.htm

Breast implants? Oh a turbo, missed that sorry.

worrrrddd....

Does gt mean ball bearing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First off, if you actually read the article, it says that they come from a factory in Taiwan, not made in their shop, and unless its MHI its not the real deal. Now heres my two cents.

How is that knock off any different from ssautochrome's knock off? A knock off is a knock off is a knock off, do you think that they same design turbo came from two different factories? What exact brand is it? If its so great why didnt they make their own name for the turbo instead of playing off of MHI's Evo III 16g name and why isnt this "NASA of turbos" (as called by their "experts" pretty easy for them to say that their stuff is the shit, why no one elses opinion?) brand name never mentioned? What other turbos do they make? Taiwon, China, either way its probably made in a sweat shop. Also, that article said that they are the leading volume turbo producers in Taiwon. Do you think that a company whose name has never been said and turns out the most turbos in Tiawon is really going to be that good? Also, if they are so engineered and so well built, why are they so much cheaper? I doubt that MHI and this super good mystery brand have that much different of costs per unit in terms of labor and heat, lighting, rent, etc so the money must be saved on materials (also SBR's article had some pretty revealing info on the metal content of many of the parts but they erased it because of this lawsuit) so they must have used lesser quality materials. If the quality of those turbos is so damn good, why did turbochargers.com have to put it through 6 months of testing, tweaking, and fine tuning?

You guys can say all you want about how great this turbo is, but you will never convince me. If anything, that article did a better job convincing me NOT to get it. You get what you pay for, and that is supposedly an better engineered version of the Evo III 16g for $150 less than the real one and they have to play off the Evo III's name recognition with a GT to make it legal so they could sell them? Makes no sense to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First off, if you actually read the article, it says that they come from a factory in Taiwan, not made in their shop, and unless its MHI its not the real deal. Now heres my two cents.

How is that knock off any different from ssautochrome's knock off? A knock off is a knock off is a knock off, do you think that they same design turbo came from two different factories? What exact brand is it? If its so great why didnt they make their own name for the turbo instead of playing off of MHI's Evo III 16g name and why isnt this "NASA of turbos" (as called by their "experts" pretty easy for them to say that their stuff is the shit, why no one elses opinion?) brand name never mentioned? What other turbos do they make? Taiwon, China, either way its probably made in a sweat shop. Also, that article said that they are the leading volume turbo producers in Taiwon. Do you think that a company whose name has never been said and turns out the most turbos in Tiawon is really going to be that good? Also, if they are so engineered and so well built, why are they so much cheaper? I doubt that MHI and this super good mystery brand have that much different of costs per unit in terms of labor and heat, lighting, rent, etc so the money must be saved on materials (also SBR's article had some pretty revealing info on the metal content of many of the parts but they erased it because of this lawsuit) so they must have used lesser quality materials. If the quality of those turbos is so damn good, why did turbochargers.com have to put it through 6 months of testing, tweaking, and fine tuning?

You guys can say all you want about how great this turbo is, but you will never convince me. If anything, that article did a better job convincing me NOT to get it. You get what you pay for, and that is supposedly an better engineered version of the Evo III 16g for $150 less than the real one and they have to play off the Evo III's name recognition with a GT to make it legal so they could sell them? Makes no sense to me.
:1: I couldnt agree more MHI all the way

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First off, if you actually read the article, it says that they come from a factory in Taiwan, not made in their shop, and unless its MHI its not the real deal. Now heres my two cents.

How is that knock off any different from ssautochrome's knock off? A knock off is a knock off is a knock off, do you think that they same design turbo came from two different factories? What exact brand is it? If its so great why didnt they make their own name for the turbo instead of playing off of MHI's Evo III 16g name and why isnt this "NASA of turbos" (as called by their "experts" pretty easy for them to say that their stuff is the shit, why no one elses opinion?) brand name never mentioned? What other turbos do they make? Taiwon, China, either way its probably made in a sweat shop. Also, that article said that they are the leading volume turbo producers in Taiwon. Do you think that a company whose name has never been said and turns out the most turbos in Tiawon is really going to be that good? Also, if they are so engineered and so well built, why are they so much cheaper? I doubt that MHI and this super good mystery brand have that much different of costs per unit in terms of labor and heat, lighting, rent, etc so the money must be saved on materials (also SBR's article had some pretty revealing info on the metal content of many of the parts but they erased it because of this lawsuit) so they must have used lesser quality materials. If the quality of those turbos is so damn good, why did turbochargers.com have to put it through 6 months of testing, tweaking, and fine tuning?

You guys can say all you want about how great this turbo is, but you will never convince me. If anything, that article did a better job convincing me NOT to get it. You get what you pay for, and that is supposedly an better engineered version of the Evo III 16g for $150 less than the real one and they have to play off the Evo III's name recognition with a GT to make it legal so they could sell them? Makes no sense to me.
actually ive had the gt for a year now and no problems. i actually beat my friends spyder and he had a real MHI. and turbochargers.com sells the gt and the real MHI turbo for the same price :thumbsup: i bought both from them. http://www.turbochargers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=68

WHat about this one on ebay its a little cheaper
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EVO-3-16G-Ported-Turbo-DSM-ECLIPSE-1G-2g-w-install-kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQitemZ8054324 440QQrdZ1
which one is that
it doens't look like the Gt

fix the link

Most of you won't have the patience to read all of this, I emplore (sp?) to read it and don't get hot headed. We are all grown up, Except EZ.(I hate him)

lol.... why do you think they removed it? as you said, because of the lawsuit, if it is correct, they would have no reason to take the information out of the site. If something is going to give me a X amount of year(s) unconditional warranty , I have no problem buying it. I have heard of the education there; my friends forigen exchange person, will be working for that exact company, he is going straight to working for them, He was offered a full ride at Wash U and and MIT said that they would be "flexiable" with his situation. I am well aware of the reputation of Industrial Research Technology Institute, It's people like you and crunchy milk (not slamming, don't start flaming) that keep the SBR's and Extreme PSI's in business, as long as you beleive the name equals quility, the longer the prices will remain jacked up. The way SBR packaged my shit, I would not fucking trust them with a turbo. They spent so much time tuning it because, what good is a half ass'd job? They have eliminated many flaws from SBR "real" GT turbo. and don't charge you for it, because it has been MOLDED, not ported by some dude, who may or may not do a good job at it, remember we after all, are human. but I mean, I don't remember seeing SBR backing their shit up with a warranty without charging you extra.


Why bother with something that already works? People know the evoIII name with performence, why fuck with it? Did you honestly just question the ethics of Industrial Research Technology Institute... are you seriours? Did you even bother to reaserch them? Knock offs? I know this is a shitty comparison, but the group buy of the 2g FMIC, have you heard anything negitive about except some mounting issues? No matter how many times people tried to smash them, they still were bought, and still are flowing as efficently as a SBR or whatever companies over priced FMIC.

Nothing is perfect the first or the second time you make it, (ask EZ) You have to perfect it before you put it out there, I wouldn't expect anything else other than perfection from a turbo. And dude, if your going to smash something with a quote, atleast get the quote right. "NASA of product development" Not of bloody turbos. And I am not defending the fucking statment right there either because, what the fuck has NASA done? blow space shuttles up beacuse of FOAM. So this quote doesn't help either of us. LOL Not true. "This factory is Taiwan 's leading volume turbo factory, and a major supplier of turbos into Japan , and for good reason, quality." Is the full quote as well.


"To ensure that the compressor wheel can withstand any amount of abuse without breaking, we performed a thorough series of "stop tests." This is performed by bringing the turbo up to 120,000 RPMs through pumping air into the compressor housing inlet, then, to test the strength of the compressor wheel blades, the compressor housing outlet is blocked, thus putting literally tons of air pressure onto the compressor wheel blades. This test is performed over and over again until the president of the factory is satisfied, usually 40 or 50 consecutive times.
In order to comfortably pass this rigorous compressor wheel strength test, we decided to make the blades on the compressor wheels thicker than Mitsubishi's. Fundamentally, Mitsubishi's 49178-01470 (Evo III) is designed to be stock replacement turbo. The Evo III GT was designed and built for racing."

Uhhh... are you really going to refute that? I learned in a Bio and Physics class from my teachers, they said "Stop the waste of life of thinking of an original idea, there is no such thing. Instead, improve on the things that already work, and make it perfect."


"This is the most critical part of turbo. During racing conditions, turbos often heat up to 1200+ º degrees (f), and therefore the turbo needs to be built to handle those hellish conditions with ease.
TURBINE WHEEL: Extreme heat can weaken the wheel's metal alloy and cause it to stretch, bang up against the turbine housing, chip, and then consequentially destroy the turbo. This is the most difficult part of the turbo to test, requiring the turbo to run at red-line speeds for 7 days straight at great expense to the factory. Needless to say, the turbine wheel passed this test with flying colors, not even stretching a fraction of a millimeter."

TURBINE HOUSING: The turbine housing is equally susceptible to heat damage as the wheel. Improperly designed turbine housings can warp and distort the ultra-fine tolerances, or simply crack (like how cheap headers crack). This is tested at the same time as the turbine wheel, 7 straight days of 150,000 RPM at an average temperature of 1300 º (f). Like the wheels, the turbine housing performed beautifully.

MATERIAL COMPOSITION: Turbine housings are composed of 42 different elements, but the most important element is nickel (Ni). The Evo III GT's turbine housing is composed of 12.45% nickel, higher than Mitsubishi's, which gives the GT greater resilience to heat.

COLOR: The difference in color between the GT and Mitsubishi Evo 3 has more to do with the trace elements than the primary materials. Our competitors want you to believe that color is a reliable indicator of quality

If you need more proof, then don't buy it =P

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=186

Gonna get the MHI evo 3 + ported mani + install kit + warranty = badass freakin deal.

that looks like the real thing

Most of you won't have the patience to read all of this, I emplore (sp?) to read it and don't get hot headed. We are all grown up, Except EZ.(I hate him)

lol.... why do you think they removed it? as you said, because of the lawsuit, if it is correct, they would have no reason to take the information out of the site. If something is going to give me a X amount of year(s) unconditional warranty , I have no problem buying it. I have heard of the education there; my friends forigen exchange person, will be working for that exact company, he is going straight to working for them, He was offered a full ride at Wash U and and MIT said that they would be "flexiable" with his situation. I am well aware of the reputation of Industrial Research Technology Institute, It's people like you and crunchy milk (not slamming, don't start flaming) that keep the SBR's and Extreme PSI's in business, as long as you beleive the name equals quility, the longer the prices will remain jacked up. The way SBR packaged my shit, I would not fucking trust them with a turbo. They spent so much time tuning it because, what good is a half ass'd job? They have eliminated many flaws from SBR "real" GT turbo. and don't charge you for it, because it has been MOLDED, not ported by some dude, who may or may not do a good job at it, remember we after all, are human. but I mean, I don't remember seeing SBR backing their shit up with a warranty without charging you extra.


Why bother with something that already works? People know the evoIII name with performence, why fuck with it? Did you honestly just question the ethics of Industrial Research Technology Institute... are you seriours? Did you even bother to reaserch them? Knock offs? I know this is a shitty comparison, but the group buy of the 2g FMIC, have you heard anything negitive about except some mounting issues? No matter how many times people tried to smash them, they still were bought, and still are flowing as efficently as a SBR or whatever companies over priced FMIC.

Nothing is perfect the first or the second time you make it, (ask EZ) You have to perfect it before you put it out there, I wouldn't expect anything else other than perfection from a turbo. And dude, if your going to smash something with a quote, atleast get the quote right. "NASA of product development" Not of bloody turbos. And I am not defending the fucking statment right there either because, what the fuck has NASA done? blow space shuttles up beacuse of FOAM. So this quote doesn't help either of us. LOL Not true. "This factory is Taiwan 's leading volume turbo factory, and a major supplier of turbos into Japan , and for good reason, quality." Is the full quote as well.


To ensure that the compressor wheel can withstand any amount of abuse without breaking, we performed a thorough series of "stop tests." This is performed by bringing the turbo up to 120,000 RPMs through pumping air into the compressor housing inlet, then, to test the strength of the compressor wheel blades, the compressor housing outlet is blocked, thus putting literally tons of air pressure onto the compressor wheel blades. This test is performed over and over again until the president of the factory is satisfied, usually 40 or 50 consecutive times.
In order to comfortably pass this rigorous compressor wheel strength test, we decided to make the blades on the compressor wheels thicker than Mitsubishi's. Fundamentally, Mitsubishi's 49178-01470 (Evo III) is designed to be stock replacement turbo. The Evo III GT was designed and built for racing.

Uhhh... are you really going to refute that? I learned in a Bip and Physics class from my teachers, they said "Stop the waste of life of thinking of an original idea, there is no such thing. Instead, improve on the things that already work, and make it perfect."


This is the most critical part of turbo. During racing conditions, turbos often heat up to 1200+ º degrees (f), and therefore the turbo needs to be built to handle those hellish conditions with ease.
TURBINE WHEEL: Extreme heat can weaken the wheel's metal alloy and cause it to stretch, bang up against the turbine housing, chip, and then consequentially destroy the turbo. This is the most difficult part of the turbo to test, requiring the turbo to run at red-line speeds for 7 days straight at great expense to the factory. Needless to say, the turbine wheel passed this test with flying colors, not even stretching a fraction of a millimeter.

TURBINE HOUSING: The turbine housing is equally susceptible to heat damage as the wheel. Improperly designed turbine housings can warp and distort the ultra-fine tolerances, or simply crack (like how cheap headers crack). This is tested at the same time as the turbine wheel, 7 straight days of 150,000 RPM at an average temperature of 1300 º (f). Like the wheels, the turbine housing performed beautifully.

MATERIAL COMPOSITION: Turbine housings are composed of 42 different elements, but the most important element is nickel (Ni). The Evo III GT's turbine housing is composed of 12.45% nickel, higher than Mitsubishi's, which gives the GT greater resilience to heat.

COLOR: The difference in color between the GT and Mitsubishi Evo 3 has more to do with the trace elements than the primary materials. Our competitors want you to believe that color is a reliable indicator of quality

If you need more proof, then don't buy it =P
I read the first paragraph and got bored. What dont you just the the real deal since its the same price?

Clipsey I think you just discovered ur next investment! Unless ur goin biggggggg!

uhh.. ricer, you are border line retarded then, if you don't even read the whole thing and the facts, lol... that is all I have to say, I'll let you know about how my turbo explodes though =O, (that vid was super sweet lol)

after I posted I finished reading it and you do make valid points and I agree that "name brand" isnt always the best. So I will leave it with a good luck and I hope it works great for you

The Gt was bashed and bashed, but now people are getting to see numbers and performance, take it from somebody who had both, they both put you in the back of your seat, but the gt, comes with stuff you would already want ported, and flappered. ill tell you one thing, the gt had no boost creep but my real evo had :uhoh: i see it as, the gt took out what the real evo had bad including a warranty.

lol @ real deal

sorry that's a negative

whether it performs as well or not, that's still being tested including the longevity. Hopefully it works just as good and you see plenty of power from it. However, it is still a knock off, don't believe me? Look at the name, they even named the damn thing as close as possible to the MHI evoiii. Good luck with it, hope it works great, but you have to realize it is indeed a knock-off.

Not trying to start an arguement Aaron (or anyone else for that matter) just throwing my opinions out there. Knock off intakes, intercoolers, and catbacks are great becasue of the overall simplicity of the product its self. Nothing has to move, it just has to not leak. If they are the NASA of product developement, then why did turbochargers.com have to put it through 6 months of their own developement? Also, just because they are going to Japan doesnt mean they are quality and I would like to see some proof of their quality. 42 different metal is quite the alloy and it sounds to me like they are using unrefined metals probably because they are cheaper. Sure it may have more nickel, but what about all the other stuff? What if theres some tin or lead in there? I doubt MHI under developed their turbo, if they used X quantity of nickel in their alloy, I bet it would be more than enough to take what it will be up against. I understand that casting the porting is going to give everyone a good, even port job, but how do we know that the casted porting is really all that good? Porting isnt that hard anyway, you can do it yourself to a MHI and have it be just as ported as a GT. Just because it has a warranty doesnt mean the company will always honor it. There is so much that can go wrong in a turbo, they could just as easily pass it off on you as a user error. Also, I'd be willing to bet that it would have to be installed by a certified professional for the warranty to be valid. Again, not trying to argue, just maybe save you a headache down the road. Would you guy a knock off piston? What about a knock off crankshaft? Connecting rod? Injectors? Cam shafts? No. A turbo is just as important to any of those to a turbo car, so why would you buy a knock off turbo?

If MHI and GT are the sam

Yah I know where you guys are coming from, I was actually hoping people would persued me from buying it, that's why I posted it here. But if the only true arguement anyone has is that it is a knock off of the name. Then fine, lol I mean names are just that, names. If it out performs or as well as the "original" I am going to buy it without a second thought, I am going to call them actually right now to go over some things, warranty etc etc. Thanks guys for not getting this locked, most debates get locked because of some tard. I'll let you know what is going on a little later today.

someone mentioned that deal they had with the manifold and stuff.....you REALLY should get that with whatever turbo you choose.

Actually now that I think about it, the larger flapper might actually hurt performance if you were to run high boost. With high boost (18+psi) you don't really have to worry about boost creep, I don't, and it's not ported in the slightest.

someone mentioned that deal they had with the manifold and stuff.....you REALLY should get that with whatever turbo you choose.

Actually now that I think about it, the larger flapper might actually hurt performance if you were to run high boost. With high boost (18+psi) you don't really have to worry about boost creep, I don't, and it's not ported in the slightest.

That'd be me heh. It really is a good deal for a true MHI evo3 and a ported manifold.

I just talked to the guy at turbochargers.com He was probobly one of the coolest people to talk to, the warranty is for real, if I even fuck it up due to pushing X amount of PSI on a dyno or at the track, it is in the warranty mileage or a year, they send me a box and $150 bucks for the hassel of uninstalling it the turbo breaking down, PLUS a new turbo. That is huge for them to say that. We also talked about SBR, on the DL, don't really want to repeat the things that were told to me, But let's just say, SBR is a big bitch. (just for legal protection not even saying I was told anything)

I talked to him about the AMS swap meet in Chicago in June, and he apperently is pretty close with the guys there. Sold them quite a few parts if I say so myself, he might make an apperence forthe meet as well. not sure though. And if AMS is going to trust them, who the hell am I to say they are not trustworthy. They have some pretty big companies within their site that trust them enough to sell their products as well. Good people.

I have had the evo 3 big 16gt for about 9 months now but i only ran it for about 4k miles until i decided to tear my motor apart. This turbo was a awsome buy IMO becasue it was cheaper and still has no signs off end play. My friend also baught one about a year ago and his is still running strong. Except when his oil line for some reason got plugged and killed the turbo, but we sent it back to Buschur racing with no questions asked they fixed and sent it back fast!!!!

http://www.buschurracing.com/