which engine is the best build on???

Gsteg, i have gone to hondamotorsonline. com and its a great site and looks really promising. Now i wanted to ask you. I am still not sure wheather or not i want to go turbo or not. I want to know which one of these motors would be better to go with regardless wheather or not i decided to put a turbo on? This is only going to be street driven, and it will see alot of highway! My power figures are these: with a turbo i want about 300whp daily driven, without a turbo about 250whp, and if i would be able to even 300whp if its in reason. Now keep this in mind whoever decides to respond to this, i am not made of money (i wish i was), the most money i would put on the engine at one time while i was upgrading it would be the price of the turbo kit i would buy for it if i decided to put one on. Why does the B16A come with 2 different tanny options? Whats the difference? Thanks alot man for any help you can give me!
ALL INFO BELOW IS FROM www.hondamotorsonline.com

92-00 B16A (Sir 2) Complete Change Over
170Hp 113Trq 10.4 Compression (JDM) 160Hp 111Trq 10.2 Compression (USDM)
Price: $ 2350.00 Plus shipping and Handling
Availability: In stock and ready to go
Complete motor and hydro tranny(S21,Y21),ecu(P30),axles,shift linkage,stock motor mounts,engine harness and all sensors needed.Motors have 25,000 miles and come with 100% start up warranty.Lsd tranny equipped available upon inquireing. (JDM and USDM available). Motors come with no sensors broken guarantee.

94-00 (Si-G/GSR) B18C Complete Change Over
180Hp 126Trq 10.6 Compression(JDM) 170Hp 121Trq 10.1Compression (USDM)
Price: $ 3300.00 Plus shipping and handling
Availability: In stock and ready to go
Complete motor and hydro tranny,ecu(P72),axles,shift linkage,stock motor mounts,engine harness and all sensors needed.Motors have under 35,000 miles and come with 100% start up warranty.Lsd tranny equipped available upon inquireing.(JDM and USDM spec available). Motors come with no sensors broken guarantee.

93-00 (H22A) Complete Change Over
Price: $ 2400.00 Plus shipping and handling
Availability: In stock and ready to go
Complete motor and hydro tranny,ecu(P13),axles,shifter cable,stock motor mounts,engine harness and all sensors needed. Motors have under 30,000 miles and come with 100% start up warranty. Lsd tranny equipped available upon inquireing(Add $300.00 more). Motors come with no sensors broken guarantee.

i'm not sure why they have two different tranny models, but i think it either has to do with JDM/USDM or the generation the B16 engine came from.

B16 route: if you take this road, making 300whp with force induction is realistic. hell...the vortech supercharged SI is making 264whp on stock internals with 11psi. now making 250whp without force induction is going to be harder. not impossible, but seeing that you said you're not made out of money, its not a wise choice.

B18 route: 300whp is easier to acheive than the B16, mainly because of its displacemen. going 250whp all motor can be done easily with higher compression pistons, and maybe bigger bore pistons to raise the displacement. if you plan to get the ~12:1 compression ratio that JE offers, you're going to have to find a way to tune the car so that it won't need racing gas. 93 octane gas wouldn't be enough with those high compression pistons, unless u have some engine management system to tune the car, you'll experience detonation, which is bad. a cheaper alternative is the integra type R stock pistons. they have the compression ratio of 11:1 or something like that. which is pretty good for all motor. the engine and tranny alone cost $3300 from hondamotorsonline.com. add the engine management system, pistons, etc, and you will have to eat top roman noodles for a year!

H22: now we're talking! by far the easiest way to get 300whp using force induction and 250whp all motor. the only thing you gotta do is find a shop that knows what they are doing. h22 swaps are harder than b-series engine swap. when you think about it..an h22 swap plus installation and labor cost is roughly or a tad bit higher than B18C1 engine and tranny. if you go turbo/supercharge, it will most likely require custom work, because the h22 is from a different car. a custom turbo setup is cheaper than a kit, and sometimes has more potential. if everything is going smoothly..you'll need roughly 8psi only to get 300whp. now all motor..250whp is also acheivable. higher compression pistons, bigger fuel injectors, MSD ignition upgrade, and bigger fuel pump.


if you're going with force induction, i recommend a full 3" exaust. if you're going all motor, i'm assuming u have basic bolt on parts like intake/header/exaust. hrm..am i missing anything?:confused:

Originally posted by GSteg
hrm..am i missing anything?:confused:

yeah that your wheel hp estimates are a little unrealistic.

Originally posted by ric


yeah that your wheel hp estimates are a little unrealistic.

for which engine? h22? you should deal with that since you have a prelude:D i should have putted ~10psi for the prelude..not 8psi. i was thinking about flywheel hp:p

also when you go turbo, get colder spark plugs.


(p.s..i'm more of a car audio guy:silly2: )