What Engine???

can anyone tell me what engine could get a 2001 camry to 300hp or 400hp??....thx

Dang you want to have a fast camry.

The 3SGTE won't get you 300hp, but you'll be close.

Is it possible swapping a 93 V6 engine?

Originally posted by Tx685
Is it possible swapping a 93 V6 engine?

Do you mean swapping in or out a 93 V6 engine? The 93 Camry V6 engine is the 3VZFE which has only 185hp and no aftermarket parts.

I am talking about swapping out of a V6. Right now my engine is a v6.

Yeah, it's possible to swap it out. What engine do you plan on putting in?

Twin Turbo Supra engine should fit in there, it displaces the same as the Camry v6...actually, come to think of it, the Camry might even use the same engine series. in any case, it should work, although you would definitely need a new tranny to handle all the power.:bandit:

and a rear wheel drive conversion. so you need the supras rear end as well. Along with many many other things. Have you ever seen a TT supra engine next to a Camry V6 engine? The TT is much bigger. First of all its a straight 6 you have a V6 and you have to some how find a place for the twin turbos. It would be a very hard fit and you would probably have to find a shop to custom install it.

If you want a 2JZGTE in your Camry, get ready to spend more than $30,000. Maybe more. Good luck.

Originally posted by What ya Smoking?!?
can anyone tell me what engine could get a 2001 camry to 300hp or 400hp??....thx

Drop in a VQ30 and an S/C or Turbo, then viola.
Just kiddin, even though you would get those kinda numbers.

Ok, I have a 91 V6 Camry (really a ES250)...what are my options there? What engines will fit?

Ok, before you go and drop thousands of dollars into something that might cause you more problems/money then your prepaired to deal with, talk to some professionals @ www.tt-cc.com

you can just super charge it (I know of a Solara 1mz-fe running at 250 some odd wheel horse power) and they are working on more parts (headers/full catback) so it will be even faster :D

Originally posted by papanature
The 3SGTE won't get you 300hp, but you'll be close.
You really don't know what you are talking about. the St205 J-spec 3s-gte engine comes*stock* with 255 hp, the 3s-gte engine can produce 350 hp safley on stock internals. How do I know this? My friend has a 94 Celica GT producing 324 hp with that engine. Know before you post.
Engine swapping makes for alot of money, I don't suggest you do this swap unless you have a second car at your disposal and about 5-7 grand laying around. I think TRD offered a supercharger for your engine.
its a 01? I think the Camry Solara shares the same engine as you.
My 95 Camry is almost identical to a 99 Solara same engine, same engine bay. Read into this more, gather more info.
here are some sites that will help you.
www.Toysport.com
www.titanmotorsports.com (Home of the worlds fastest street legal supra!)

A tuned 3S-GTE can produce close to 500HP.

Top Secret had one in a JZA80 Supra a couple years ago.
In addition, HKS had one in a Altezza producing well over 300HP.

dsigns, you can fare well with a 3S-GTE swap.
I'm working on a custom 2VZ-FE turbo setup for my V6.

Good luck....

i dont know what model camry you have, but in my sv21, it has the 3s-fe. dropping in the 3s-gte from the same year celica all-trac should be no problem at all. thats probably what i'll do when this motor goes.

Twin Turbo Supra engine should fit in there, it displaces the same as the Camry v6...actually, come to think of it, the Camry might even use the same engine series. in any case, it should work, although you would definitely need a new tranny to handle all the power.:bandit:

A swap to this engine will cost you some $$$. The 2JZ-GTE sits differently. In addition, you will have to do a RWD conversion. That's even MORE money...

If you want to swap out your V6 for something faster, then may I recommend swapping out your V6 for a JDM MR2 Turbo front clip (3S-GTE - 255HP) as your initial foundation. Although you will have to research custom engine and tranny mounts, you can still build on this engine to produce 300-400HP. You will need to also research your drive axles, although V6 axles have been proven stronger than 4cyl versions.

If you plan it wisely and carefully, figure perhaps a initial investment of $4000-5000, depending on availability of the 3rd Gen front clip.

Good luck....

If you want to swap out your V6 for something faster, then may I recommend swapping out your V6 for a JDM MR2 Turbo front clip (3S-GTE - 255HP) as your initial foundation. Although you will have to research custom engine and tranny mounts, you can still build on this engine to produce 300-400HP. You will need to also research your drive axles, although V6 axles have been proven stronger than 4cyl versions.

If you plan it wisely and carefully, figure perhaps a initial investment of $4000-5000, depending on availability of the 3rd Gen front clip.

Good luck....

Obviously you dont own an MR2. Its a mid-engine. therefore it is a Rear clip that you'll need, unless you want to spend 2-3K to have a front clip complete with spare tire and battery. (sorry, just me being a smart a$$)

As for the V6 that you are getting rid of (1mz-fe?), if its mounted to the E153 transmission, than you can still use the current tranny mounts, but you deffinitely will need to rig something up for engine mounts.

If you do go and swap out the v6, and its a 1mz-fe engine, what do you want for it? what year?

-Dave

Obviously you dont own an MR2. Its a mid-engine. therefore it is a Rear clip that you'll need, unless you want to spend 2-3K to have a front clip complete with spare tire and battery. (sorry, just me being a smart a$$)-Dave

Yes Dave, you are right, you ARE a smart-a$$... :biggrin:

No, I do not own a MR2, but I know that the are mid engine models..
But since we're BSing anyway, wouldn't it really be a MID-CLIP???

Allow me to give you proper response to your smart-a$$ post...
:chair:

I know it's been weeks but better late than never... :cheers:
j/k
Have a good one, Dude....

No, I do not own a MR2, but I know that the are mid engine models..
But since we're BSing anyway, wouldn't it really be a MID-CLIP???:headshake
its called front clip cuz its everything infront of the driver's seat. And since the MR2 doesnt have a row of rear seats, the engine is directly behind the driver's seat, Thus the REAR clip...


I know it's been weeks but better late than never... :cheers:


Ditto... :bigthumb:




You live anywhere near upstate NY? we may be having a gathering of PPL w/ MR2's at the Dinosaur BBQ in Syracuse soon...:wave:

You will never I repeat NEVER have 300hp or run a 10 sec 1/4 mile....or beat a mustang...etc...etc...
You CAN however; do some bolt on mods, cut your head, replace the exhaust replace the intake and fuel rail and injectors etc. etc... and make your car come to life so that it feels GREAT to step on the gas......and all of your buddies, will tell all there buddies, STORIES about how you can turn 13's and BS like that. In other words you can make a good solid 170hp and still have fun and you will always have the "dream" ......
Good luck!

No engine in that car no way no how Keep dreaming!!!!
None of you have a clue!


Take the time go to an engine dyno room .....do some reading (a lot of reading) ....go to the race track......learn about acutual HP .....then come back here and make some intelligent comments.

500-hp 8.3-liter V-10 engine
No replacement for displacment....learn and live.
It takes Dodge 8.3liters and a v-10 to make 500hp
475 cubic inches this is reality.

No engine in that car no way no how Keep dreaming!!!!
None of you have a clue!


Take the time go to an engine dyno room .....do some reading (a lot of reading) ....go to the race track......learn about acutual HP .....then come back here and make some intelligent comments.

500-hp 8.3-liter V-10 engine
No replacement for displacment....learn and live.
It takes Dodge 8.3liters and a v-10 to make 500hp
475 cubic inches this is reality.


Ok.....been gone for a while....and then I read this....

Ummmm....with all due respect Sidler73, I'm not sure to whom your post is directed towards, but I've been to a dyno many times and I can assure you that I'm very well educated in that department. :)

I don't know if you recall a white JZA-80 Supra from SPI that once graced the cover of Turbo magazine about a year (or so) ago, but that car runs 721HP at the rear wheels, and it is in fact a street legal car.

I've seen that car up close and personal. The owner of that car (which happens to own SPI) happens to be a good friend of mine.

Running a 3S-GTE to 300HP and beyond is very easy to accomplish. The 3rd Gen version of that engine already runs 255HP. Simple upgrades will easily allow the engine to reach 300HP without any problem. If you go further as to do headwork, etc.....then who knows how far you can go.

It's a very tough and well designed engine.
HKS had one in a drag Celica that reached 9's in the 1/4 mile.

So with all due respect, I don't need a 8.3L V10 to produce 500HP.
I can do that in a Supra with 4 less cylinders than you and produce even MORE than the stated 500HP. What's more, I wouldn't even need "laughing gas" to squeeze.

Mind you, in Brooklyn & Queens, you will find many a street legal Supra running 600HP+ under the hood. It's not uncommon anymore.

In addition, beating a Mustang is no problem at all. I've done so with my 510, as well as my Camry V6.
....then again, my V6 Camry is FAR from factory at this point...

Your "Detroit Iron" ways of thinking about "there is no replacement for displacement" no longer apply in the world of auto performance, Sir.

The new rule is now, "there is no replacement for forced induction".... :)

Read and see for yourself:

http://www.spipowerexcel.com/turbo_100101.htm

The fact is that forced induction rules and will continue to rule for a long time. You don't have to take my word for it, because I don't claim to be any "know-it-all" in the world of auto performance. The cars I own are for my hobby, just like almost everyone else here.

If you choose to live in denial that "there is no replacement for displacement", then maybe you should "dream on", my friend.

Sorry Dude, hate to break it to you like that; but it's just the way it is. And with that being said, I wish you luck as well. :)


Davemush, sorry for not posting earlier.....been burning the midnight oil for the past month or so. Didn't want you to think I was blowing you off. Just been working a lot...

no problem... I'm here same as anyone, once in a long while.

I'd like to add to your arguement tho.
a 3s-gte engine was the same engine that they used in the Toyota formula 1 cars for a few years. With head work and parts specifically for racing (i.e. super tough head gasket and bolts, a turbo the size of your head or bigger, boost controller, BOV, ect.) They were stated to be running at about 1000Hp for that purpose.

Forced Induction can make HUGE improvements to the power of an engine.



-Dave

We ARE talking about street "dreamers" and street cars here .....until you have a bank account the size of Bill Gates you are not making 600 hp on the street in Queens or ANYWHERE else......on a four cylinder......I know you like to read magazines (and dream in 2 fast 2 furious technicolour) and dream about it ....but reality is most guys can afford a 5-7 psi boost raising hp slightly some will even go so far (as my neighbour) to try Nitrous and "laugh" as there engine blows becasue they have NO IDEA just like you......you can quote formula one or a "one off" vehicle created in a mag with sponsorship....manufacturer input etc......until you have put in the time and money and HAVE the knowledge...your numbers are OFF not just by 50 - 60 hp but 100's and 100's.....
I race Toyota ......have a sizeable budget and KNOW what it takes to make Hp....$$$$$
Those who post here are BEST to follow my advice as posted earlier and have a solid 170hp and a dream. (and a FUN, reliable car)

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Hi Sidler73,

I don't recall requiring a Bill Gates sized bank account to run 600HP. If you're making such a claim, then perhaps you should watch your spending a little more carefully. :)

To further clarify; anyone who gets into cars in the first place knows that it's not a "poor man's hobby". But at the same time, I don't need to be Bill Gates either.

Unbeknownst to you, I'm not one that reads import magazines and watches "The Fast & the Furious" every day of my life. To me, that's nothing but Hollywood, glitz & glamour for the movie screen.

In addition, there's no need for the personal attacks here. You're probably more annoyed that I'm likely to have owned more Toyotas by myself since the age of 17 than you have either with yourself or jointly owned.

If 170HP is more your preferred speed, then more power to you.

But don't bash others just because 170HP isn't enough for them.
Honestly, 170HP isn't enough for me neither.

My "Chiquita" Datsun 510 does more than that all by herself, and she's already slated for a engne swap.

But this argument isn't about your 170HP preference, it's about what Toyota engines can provide big HP gains based on the question originally posted by the author.

What you seem to remain in denial about (and I would have NO IDEA as to WHY) is that Toyota engines like the 2JZ-GTE and the 3S-GTE have already provided (say this with me now...) proven reliable horsepower gains of 500HP and BEYOND .

And just to be fair here, I agree that engine modification is required (headwork, porting, etc....). I never disagreed with you nor ever dismissed that fact. It is not a matter of just slapping on a turbo and yelling to everyone that you can run boost. No, it does take planning; and I do follow that rule.

I applaud you for your accomplishments, but if you have to maintain a "sizeable" budget to get only 170HP results out of a Toyota engine, then I would suggest you re-evaluate your action plan and get more out of your money you're putting into.

I'm curious as to what Toyota engine are you running 170HP out of?
By all means, please include that info in your next reply.

Here's a budget figure for you....

With less than a $3500 budget, my Camry V6 will run a very reliable 300HP past your 170HP solution, COMPLETE.

With a $3000 budget, my 82 Corolla can also run 300HP...street legal, reliable, and COMPLETE.

So if you choose to remain in denial, that's your choice.

Because last time I checked the calendar, the year was 2003.
Nobody does just 170HP anymore.....

As per the links you've provided, I'm going to be bold and take a shot in the dark by guessing that the 170HP Toyota engine that you race and maintain your sizeable budget with is a 22R.

If it is, no wonder you're still stuck in the 170HP range. :eek7:

until you have a bank account the size of Bill Gates you are not making 600 hp on the street in Queens or ANYWHERE else......on a four cylinder......I know you like to read magazines (and dream in 2 fast 2 furious technicolour) and dream about it ....but reality is most guys can afford a 5-7 psi boost raising hp slightly some will even go so far (as my neighbour) to try Nitrous and "laugh" as there engine blows becasue they have NO IDEA just like you....

Yes, you do need a large bank account to get gains to the tune of 1000Hp. BUT, your statement was "You will never I repeat NEVER have 300hp or run a 10 sec 1/4 mile....or beat a mustang...etc...etc..." And that is quite wrong. I have video clips of an MR2 murdering a mustang 5.0.


Ok, if you race Toyota, than you should have known that the gen 3 3s-gte engine is 255 stock, and in stock form that engine is also pushing 13psi. the stock wastegate is set at 18 psi in that model....

Likewise, if you know what you are doing with Nitrous, it too is a very viable way to improve Hp, BUT... its intended for a straight line course. (drag racing ect.)

SO... "Most guys can afford a 5-7 psi boost" bogus...
"some will even go as far as to try Nitrous" If they know what they are doing, and have it installed properly for its intended purpose, they wont blow up their engines. Fact is, you can use a shot of nitrous up to half the rated Hp for your engine. (150 Hp, you can use UP TO a 75 shot of Nitrous.)

Things like: methane/H2O injection, Intercoolers, oil coolers, intakes, forced induction, intercooler misters, Toluene added to your gas to improve octane levels, stand alone ECU's, new cams, cam gears, head gaskets, head bolts, upgraded turbos, boost controllers, turbo timers, forged pistons and rods, lightened flywheels, aftermarket clutches... (The list goes on and on.) They are all ways to increase the yeald of an engine.

Adding 1 gallon of toluene to a tank of 89 octane gas will increase the average octane level to about 98 octane. (depending on the size of your tank.) Water/methane injection will raise the effective octane levels too...


Deal, displacement is NOT the only answer.

Boys Boys you are still in the CAMRY room......this thread pertains to CAMRY's .....so go back (and Like I said in the first place)
---READ---
Put your mind in motion, and your mouth and fingers will 'hopefully' follow.
Camry page --I repeat for clarification--
Original message "can anyone tell me what engine could get a 2001 camry to 300hp or 400hp??....thx"


The answer is already written in my above posts.

I thought I may have found a spot where "camry" owners are having a conversation.......not quoting some mag ...or dreaming of some one of your buddies "garage" down the street.

You honestly have the fella's here at the shop laughing so hard ...one guy actually spilled his coffee.....Lord you guys are hilarious.!!

Engine pics:
http://brad.bedell.home.comcast.net/misc/mr2/complete.html
http://brad.bedell.home.comcast.net/misc/mr2/sc.html

Dyno:
http://brad.bedell.home.comcast.net/v6dyno.jpg



OK, for a forum for CAMERYs, and the origonl question about what can be done to a CAMERY engine to make it close to 300Hp... Check out the links.

Its a 1mz-fe engine from a CAMERY solara, fitted w/ a TRD supercharger. Its only running 5 psi. check out the dyno sheet.

Get over it. You can do more to those engines than you are willing to acknowledge.

Info: initial run 125 baseline HP 1998cc 3-SFE 155lbs compression at 9.2:1
-Dry sump $$$
-15 lbs engine vacuum
- remote water circulation at 80litres/min
-Hybrid HKG ignition
-Rewelded re-cut one off IN& Ex cams .345 lift huge 310 EX. duration
- now 190lbs @ 12:1
-JE pistons (each C.A.D.) gas ported $$$
- One off intake $$$
-Custom one off fuel log
This list just goes on and on BUT these are some of the mods.
NO BODY on the street has the time or resources money or technology….to accomplish most of what we have had to do to make Hp.
I have brought the weight of my car down to 1600lbs (just on the edge of the rules)
Multiple mods and Naturally aspirated, same displacement, three header designs later...mutiple fuel sytems tried....now 185hp at the crank....no 15 % added or 25 or 30 for drivetrain loss...etc...etc..
Over $3300 now invested just to conform to rules of “stock”(not including one minute of my time) production N/A.
Quick example I took my car to "Ariens wheel dyno" for comparison. After making a dozen passes and more calculations than I care to repeat...they had my engine at 218 hp.....I remind you that in ONLY a range of 185hp they were off by 48hp......do you have any idea what it takes to make an extra 48 hp.....in reality another 1000$ or there about......
This summer "Mandrell dyno" set up a wheel dyno at a sponsored "Lucas Oil" short course event in Unadilla (New Berlin NY)....this time we made a whopping 223hp......these numbers are not even close....but on a wheel dyno you have a lot of factors NOT ACCOUNTED for: ambient temperature for ex...humidity...sea level....etc...etc... Then to top it off the operator "adjusts" the numbers to what he "feels" your drivetrain loss is adding 15- 35 % depending on his mood and numbers.
I do apologize that this breaks a lot of hopes and dreams for a lot of ppl.....but my engine and yours and anyone's HAS to be tested UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS.....air, fuel, and engine temp, monitored and controlled when this is done on a crank dyno and the $money$ and time spent you have a realistic number created from the facts. I got 65 solid HP from hard work and technology on a motor that claims by other shops made “can’t be done”….Our team is 2003 O.O.R.A class 6 champs from hard work and a ton of money$$$ and countless hours. This is reality.

So, I agree that YOU can get HUGE numbers from your wheel dynos and by adding up all kinds of numbers that the manufacturer of this or that part claims.
Good luck with your future endeavors.

Once again you are quoting magazines not reality.

LORD here is your TRD equipped camry

"http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0102scc_solara/";

"Our test car also included TRD's exclusive high-flow sport muffler, a Quickshift shortened shifter, stainless-steel brake lines, performance brake pads, rear anti-roll bar, custom lowering sport springs, Bilstein sport struts, a seven-piece polyurethane body kit, 17x7-inch TSW wheels on 225/45-ZR17 Toyo Proxes T1 Plus tires, front strut tie-bar and various TRD-inspired engine dress-up parts. It's enough to make your head spin; then again, so is the price tag: $10,000 and some change."
Yup I can see where "What ya Smoking?!? " would have 10,000 dollars to spend.....ONCE AGAIN it goes back to my post above....read it and you will once again see .....
Put your mind in motion and your mouth will 'hopefully' follow.
Buh Bye!

You honestly have the fella's here at the shop laughing so hard ...one guy actually spilled his coffee.....Lord you guys are hilarious.!!

....not as much as we're laughing here, Dude....

The biggest joke on this post is that you actually THINK that 170HP is fast...Dear Lord Man....WAKE UP!!!

By the way, $3500....for a supercharger????

Oh Please!
Now who's reading magazines?

Think before you speak Sidler.
Looks like the only magazine reader here that you claim to be against is YOU.....

....come to the light Sidler.....come to the light......

Wow....you spent over $3300....on a 3SFE....and the most you've made was 223HP?

I give you credit for the horsepower gains you've made, but here's my question....

Why would you invest so much time, work, and MONEY on a 3S-FE that peaks at 223HP, when you could've went with a 3S-GTE that comes from the factory at 225 or 255 (depending on Gen) instead and get better results?

If you and "the fellas at the shop" knew your Toyotas like you say you do, you would know that the G type head is more performance oriented than the F type head, right off the bat.

I'm not even going to get into the logistics of the engine itself, it might be too much for you to absorb at this point...

Not laughing now, are we Boys?
Well, guess what....WE ARE....

:lol2:

Lord you still don't listen but since your buddy is listening we will give up on you.....your lack of maturity is showing through....I'm sure you will get over it when you have had a chance to put some years under your belt.
One last thing---and do try to listen here-- the only four cylinder that ever came from the factory with anywhere near 225 N/A hp is the quad four.....rules rules rules.

Lord you still don't listen but since your buddy is listening we will give up on you.....your lack of maturity is showing through....I'm sure you will get over it when you have had a chance to put some years under your belt.
One last thing---and do try to listen here-- the only four cylinder that ever came from the factory with anywhere near 225 N/A hp is the quad four.....rules rules rules.


Sidler....I think it's you who does not understand.....

If I'm going to invest time, work and money for horsepower gains, I'm not going to spend over $3000 to make my 3S-FE range between 170-223HP. I'm going to get a 3S-GTE instead, THEN I will build from there....

For anything over a $3000 investment, why would I desire to go normal aspirated at such cost in the first place?

At some point, you're beating a dead horse by spending the same money that it would cost you to go forced induction.

If you so choose that route, more power to you, Dude.
It's your money, not mine....

So in response to your original post; for the money you've spent to get your 3SFE to peak at 223HP, I can go with a turbo solution and run 300HP, in my car, on the street.

Nice chatting with you, and by all means, Good Luck....

Ok ONE LAST TIME....I RACE CLASS 6 PRODUCTION N/A NATURALLY ASPIRATED....MY LORD MAN .... Like I said when you grow up and start to actually read(reading requires comprehending...I have NEVER ever made 223hp naturally aspirated 2.0liter I still make 185Hp) and listen, you start to develop some of the life skills required to get beyond little pics of cats and "dreamer" movie starlets.

Good luck with your future endeavors and your growing up.

Winner 2003 OORA Class 6
Winner "Most innovative automotive design, and engineering award 2003" "Lucas Oils" short course series.

At the last event we not only were bumped up to Mod-production, but finished third. In front of us were 2 Talon twin turbo AWD's. On top speed runs for the day we managed 3 mph higher then they did and they are claiming 260 hp......REALITY IS we know how to make good solid HP N/A and can run all day @ 7,400 rpm on a: stock rod, stock crank, stock piston, stock bore, stock stroke 2.0liter, 3SFE and run 133mph on long open straights FWD...in an 88 Camry shell.

I heard you the first time, but again, you're not hearing me...

I'm not spending all that money for such measly results, when I can get more. This is what I'm telling you. :)

Congrats on your accomplishments and good luck to you as well....

I have read through all the posts. I have to ask a couple of questions. Hey Sidler73, if I live near you, can we exhchange information...man I would love to see that car and your mods?
I checked out your pics on the community webshots page you put in....awesome man!
I am new to this site, I have a '99 Camry 4cyl. My previous car was a 91 4cyl. I took the car to a "hop up shop" I spent money on cold air intakes and injecters, also on exhaust and some sway technology(all in all about $2000)....but they never got any where near 185hp. I have seen your dynomometer sheets,(you included) and that is way out there. Even my current 2.2 is no where near that, simply amazing dude.
I know you other guys are telling stuff about superchargers and nitrous and turbos "forced induction" but having spent time (very little mind you) compared to Sidler73 trying to get Horsepower from my engine without having to go to turbo and engine life altering mods, I am curiuos about your intake and exhaust Dia. tube length collector size and details like that. You see guys this is where the trial and error comes in. When you buy a bolt on turbo you lose all that. I work at a Toyota dealer here in TO. and we "hear more stories" about this guy and that. We always offer to have them out at the drag strip to prove it but it never pans out. It is usually just street talk.
Oh one more thing you might want to be careful, if that guy(sidler73) ever builds a supercharged 4cyl with all the technology in it from his/hers 3s-FE it would make more than all of us put together.
FUN SITE!!!

Jus drop me a line on my email attached to this membership man....I would luv to show you the car...also we are at the www.speedoramashows.com and the January car show in Toronto at the OORA. booth.
Thank you for the kind words. I wonder if the "what ya smokin'" guy ever got his engine info.....ha ha. I think next time I will just ask how much he wants to $pend....and leave the rest of "explaining" hp concepts to turbo mag.

I'm sure if Sidler73 supercharged his engine, it would be interesting.

The supercharging idea has already been done before.

It's called a Comfort GTZ. Comes with a Supercharged 3S-FE.

can anyone tell me what engine could get a 2001 camry to 300hp or 400hp??....thx

That was What ya Smoking?!?'s question. he didnt ask how much horsepower he could get from a 3sfe in an offroad camry built to dirt track rules. he wanted to know what sorta power he could make on the street. he doesnt have to go with an engine that falls into a race class.

In my opinion a good engine to put into your car would be the 3sgte the JDM st205 puts out around 255hp at the crank.
check out www.fensport.co.uk for uk swaps that have been done with the 3sgte engine.

sidler, i dont know where u work but i'm guessing that u install neon lights, aluminium wings and vinyl graphics at ur "shop"??

i have seen lots of magazine articles from my home country New Zealand with high power 3sgte powered celicas and mr2s. In New Zealand you can pick up an early model mitsubishi evo for around 10 grand and then with a few thousand spent on exhaust, intercooler, turbo and boost upgrades run in the high 11s. Thats a 1/4 mile none of your 1/8 mile crap.

A 3sgte with exhaust, intercooler and boost would easily pick up around 40 hp depending on boost.

check out fensport for some of the power gains that have been made.

Buddy you are so far behind the times!

The conversation is OVER, it IS DONE.....
you did not read beyond what your feeble
10,000 spending mind could comprehend.
YOu came in at the end and threw a 3 yr old
HISSY fit......
NEXT time READ, put your brain in motion and hopefully your fingers will follow Good lord.
JUST TO CLARIFY.....one of the fellas asked me what engine I had.....and I filled him in.
Placing the 3sgte in the CAMRY is not easy, nor is it fun....nor is it for the amateur to just "bolt in"....ONCE again this is the C-A-M-R-Y section......obviously you got lost between tokes thinking you were running the 1/4 faster than most street bikes or say a shelby after spending $15,000.
The question was NOT "How can I spend $15,000?"

I swear there should be a an age and reading pre-requisite before you blab about some car you thought you saw in some mag while you were toking !!!!
LOL
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A good spot for you !!!

www.flaming-pie.net/~frodis/moredreams.html
Ha ha LOL

the question was, what engine can i put in a 2001 camry to produce 300-400 hp
he did not ask what camry engine can i put into my camry to make 300-400hp he just said what engine. he didnt give a price range.There is room in a camry engine bay for a 3sgte, and it would be a lot simpler than someones suggestion of a straight 6 supra engine.
i live in new zealand. we get cheap imported cars straight from japan, unlike america where a pod filter on a vtec engine is performance we have had turbocharged japanese cars since around 1983. our emissions rules are not as harsh and we have less plastic and more grunt.

Here is an idea....find out whom you are talking to!

A: I do not now, nor have I ever lived in the US.
B: Emissions are not now nor have they ever been harsh or strict here.....my point stands
C: Please go back to the basics READ READ READ.

Good luck in your future endeavors.

Ps. as Paul ANKA said dream dream dream dreeaaammm.
"he did not ask what camry engine can i put into my camry to make 300-400hp he just said what engine. he didnt give a price range.There is room in a camry engine bay for a 3sgte, and it would be a lot simpler than someones suggestion of a straight 6 supra engine. "

AT NO POINT WILL Putting a 3sGTE engine EVER BE simple, inexpensive or for the amatuer to attempt or try without thousands to spend.....Contact the "smokin" fella he will give you his $1000-$1500 "improvment budget" and you will GO BACK and READ how I told him to make his car go faster.


SUBJECT closed : over done bored!!!!

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AT NO POINT WILL Putting a 3sGTE engine EVER BE simple, inexpensive or for the amatuer to attempt or try without thousands to spend.....Contact the "smokin" fella he will give you his $1000-$1500 "improvment budget" and you will GO BACK and READ how I told him to make his car go faster.


Ok....this thread is over....done

If this guy chooses to stick with his preference, then so be it.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.....

Boogergrom, you know what you know; and I understand.
But, if Sidler73 chooses to think the way he's thinking then let him be.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just a matter of preference.

What Ya Smoking knows his options, he will do what he wants to do.

Good luck to all....

toyota nation.........UN-boring

OMG

OMG I just got back from a visit to sidler73's shop and equipment. If you want to make power and see what it takes to make power you should do yourself a favour and make the trip all I can say is holy holy man. They have some stuff there making real power. They have a Dyno room second to none clean and setup for one thing. The most amazing thing is the way they the keep an engine at one tempurature 400 gallons of coolant on hand to dyno test blocks with. Everything is taken into account although I forget most of it. While I was there I read a Lucas Oils report on the acuracy of their equipment, a Castrol report, even a Toyota Ca. executive report that reccomends their shop. This place will blow you away. The knowledge, the mods, the experimental ideas development. It is hard not to get caught up in a whirlwind and come away so overloaded.
While I was there I had a chance to watch this kid come in with a twin turbo setup on his vtec civic engine. The manufacturer promised the kid well over 400hp on this 2.2liter(stroked) engine at a cost of approx, $4,500 for the bolt on kit. After setting up the engine on the dyno and making a baseline pass then making a full throttle pass that climed up just over 6,000 rpm the result was 296 hp WOW just incredible. The team worked on the engine making a total of 9 passes eventually squeezing and amazing 315hp.

Sidler and his team took me onto the local 1/4 mile strip and showed me setup and traction modifications. I was able to squeak out a .6 of a sec faster down to 14.8 time by adding torsion traction response parts and a wicked custom cool air intake, that is actually cooling fan force fed.
All I can say is if you want to make power and learn some at the same time this is the place for you.
BTW they have a naturally aspirated single carb, 475 CI, steel block, steel head, 1969 ford engine making 760hp on gas. I had the pleasure of going for a ride in the (89 Camry) rally car that thing is fast and handles almost as well on pavement as on dirt, this and the rear bumper sits the same height as a chev 4x4 half ton truck ' Hang on!!!


ALL SMILES and thank you to Jeff, Sean and the guys for a great day!

OMG

OMG I just got back from a visit to sidler73's shop and equipment. If you want to make power and see what it takes to make power you should do yourself a favour and make the trip all I can say is holy holy man. They have some stuff there making real power. They have a Dyno room second to none clean and setup for one thing. The most amazing thing is the way they the keep an engine at one tempurature 400 gallons of coolant on hand to dyno test blocks with. Everything is taken into account although I forget most of it. While I was there I read a Lucas Oils report on the acuracy of their equipment, a Castrol report, even a Toyota Ca. executive report that reccomends their shop. This place will blow you away. The knowledge, the mods, the experimental ideas development. It is hard not to get caught up in a whirlwind and come away so overloaded.
While I was there I had a chance to watch this kid come in with a twin turbo setup on his vtec civic engine. The manufacturer promised the kid well over 400hp on this 2.2liter(stroked) engine at a cost of approx, $4,500 for the bolt on kit. After setting up the engine on the dyno and making a baseline pass then making a full throttle pass that climed up just over 6,000 rpm the result was 296 hp WOW just incredible. The team worked on the engine making a total of 9 passes eventually squeezing and amazing 315hp.

Sidler and his team took me onto the local 1/4 mile strip and showed me setup and traction modifications. I was able to squeak out a .6 of a sec faster down to 14.8 time by adding torsion traction response parts and a wicked custom cool air intake, that is actually cooling fan force fed.
All I can say is if you want to make power and learn some at the same time this is the place for you.
BTW they have a naturally aspirated single carb, 475 CI, steel block, steel head, 1969 ford engine making 760hp on gas. I had the pleasure of going for a ride in the (89 Camry) rally car that thing is fast and handles almost as well on pavement as on dirt, this and the rear bumper sits the same height as a chev 4x4 half ton truck ' Hang on!!!


ALL SMILES and thank you to Jeff, Sean and the guys for a great day!


JamesOC,

Please understand that no one is doubting the accomplishments of Sidler and his crew. I'm sure he has a great shop and the expertise to make things happen.

The topic of this particular thread has nothing to do with Sidler or his capabilities. There were discussions that resulted in difference in opinion that just went fairly deep; as it should, because that's the whole point of a forum in the first place.

My reason for stating this to you is because your post presents itself as some form of defense on behalf of Sidler, which really isn't necessary. If it was, none of us who posted would be wishing well to him at closing.

It's great that he has the shop he has, so let's not stray from the topic at hand.

In closing, I'm going to make it clear, just as Sidler has already made it clear, that this topic is closed.

Thanks!

At first I thought maybe he was just taking this personal due to strong convictions now I know you just can't leave anything be. I went through and checked your posts, they follow that pattern.
The subject was brought up by you toybrolla you asked the question and when the answer came out you are quick to "close the subject" I had a fun time and shared it with those who listen. I took two days off work drove over nine hours and If I want to share it with the board I will, I can and if you tell me to politely shut up about it you don't belong somewhere where reading is required. Too bad you can't just leave it to reading. One day you will realize, as I did, you just need to listen more often (lose the cartoonies)it is the best part of communication at no point was this directed at you, as was most of it, not. This thread has stayed open as long as posts are made, many threads stray from the point, just as this one did. If you want to know how to make a Camry go fast or find out what engine will do that, I gave that info, all pertinent.
I will invite you to very clearly start to use some respect here and other places, but especially towards me. NEVER again ask me or anyone else to shut up, politley or otherwise. Just listen to what is said and you will learn if you take the time to read and research as I have (taking a whole day to visit a shop where people have knowledge to share) from every source I can find popular mechanics, seminars, race tracks, and even yes even, here on message boards. All of us here hope that you are able to read and take the time to make more polite and properly respectful posts, but if you can't just hold it in until you are able to.

Question posed by Toyrolla

I'm curious as to what Toyota engine are you running 170HP out of?
By all means, please include that info in your next reply.

Take the time to read and review before you type again.

As always "education first, knowledge will follow"

Ok, first of all, no need for the personal attacks.
I didn't say anything to you out of disrespect for you to respond that way. So, maybe it's you who really needs to chill out.

Secondly, this thread wasn't started by me, it was started by someone else. The quote I made that you posted was while Sidler73 and I were still into the discussion; a discussion that ended quite some time ago.

In other words, you're in the tail end of a conversation that was done already. Regardless of how long and dragged out it was, Sidler73 spoke his peace, I spoke mine, the discussion was respectfully closed from both sides.

In addition, allow me to further clarify to you that anything that was spoken between Sidler and I was based on each other's difference in opinion and views regarding what each of us saw as a solution to the original question.

Regardless of how you interpreted the thread, there is no issue between myself and Sidler73. There wasn't even an issue between you and I when I last posted. As I stated, the discussion was just a debate that got deeper than expected, that's all. Nothing personal.

So the next time you post or quote me, try a little harder to get your facts straight first.

I thank you for offering your info on how to make a Camry go faster, but my Gen2 is already under a buildup as we speak. In addition, this wasn't my car that was under discussion in the first place.

So again, as Sidler73 put it:

Ok....this thread is over....done

Good luck to you...

....and in the future, you can kindly leave my "cartoonies" out of it...

*cough cough* um... No

Um. I can name 2 people that has a 3s-gte thats pushing well over 600+ to the wheels... And I can name more thats pushing 400+ to the wheels...

*cough cough* um... No

Um. I can name 2 people that has a 3s-gte thats pushing well over 600+ to the wheels... And I can name more thats pushing 400+ to the wheels...



Uh Hummm *N-O-T*

Nice dream though.....we should have dreams.

Uh Hummm *N-O-T*

Nice dream though.....we should have dreams.


Try again ... And I know Jeffrey personnally , his my Turbo importer...
http://www.extremeboost.com/Jeffrey/ProjectSW20/index.htm
http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/rippspeed/lb-dyno5.bmp.jpg

Alan Powers al@garageadvance.com at Garage Advance
www.garageadvance.com
http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/rippspeed/GAfundyno.gif

Mike Colon 5S-FTE 2.2Liter motor also found on the Camry and Solara's
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/380000-380999/380243_221_full.jpg
http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/rippspeed/mike.jpg


Try Talent on the MR2 board
http://www.cardomain.com/id/talent
http://www.driversimage.com/project/mr2/dyno6.jpg
http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/rippspeed/mr23.jpg

I guess your having a nightmare then ,huh ???

p.s. for a tuner that says it cant be done ... Your not much of a tuner then... I guess your knowledge is limited to V8's then...


this thread is officially :owned:

how you like 'em apples ( or should I say 3s-gte MR2's)

OOHHH by the way let me introduce you to the MR2 horsepower registry ... Where MR2 owners can send their dyno figures to be posted...
http://www.turboforum.net/dyno/

::insert Smokey's voice from Friday::
Somebody just got knock the http://s90400239.onlinehome.us/_smilies/smilie-censored.gif out!
::end Smokey's voice from Friday::

http://s90400239.onlinehome.us/_smilies/smilie-beatdwn.gif <~~ The Wraith Schewlin'em

ooohhh by the way... why dont you look me up this summer time 2004 and I'll show you what a true camry tuner can do... I show you a camry laying down 650whp with out NOS...

Go back and read fella.......wheel dyno's are "guaged" and approx...they are up to the "operater" to "determine" the amount of loss.(many will add up to 30%) to impress you especially if you are buying the parts and mods "in-house"

The only way to get accurate "non-dreamer" results is a crank (you have to do the work, remove the engine, hook up to proper testing facility)dyno....I have had my 2.0L camry push 200hp to the wheels on a wheel dyno(not in a million YEARS)....that is a naturally aspirated "family" engine 3-SFE that I have modified on a budget of less than $1000...on real life results we get 145 now on super no lead....55 hp OFF on ONLY the 100-200 hp range, as the number climbs so does the percentage....also on a real dyno the engine does not build "false" momentum......I tested onsite at "Lucas oils" & at "tuner heaven" both admitted I could not get those numbers in a "real" situation.

Have the boys bring there engines,-ready to run- to my shop we will put it on the dyno and "educate" you.....we will tune it and show you what makes hp advantage. By the end of the day you will have had loads of fun and learned more than you can possibly take in, in one session.

Basically on a wheel dyno I can make WHATEVER numbers I want.
On a crank dyno "if you ain't push'n, you ain't mak'n"

Have fun and keep working, you will get there.!

www.oora.ca
www.offroadaction.8k.com
http://www.offroadaction.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewforum&f=11

Go back and read fella.......wheel dyno's are "guaged" and approx...they are up to the "operater" to "determine" the amount of loss.(many will add up to 30%) to impress you especially if you are buying the parts and mods "in-house"

The only way to get accurate "non-dreamer" results is a crank

You tried to make two diff points there... Thing is, you are only partially right.

1st, Well dyno's are guaged for each type of car that is used. HOWEVER, there is a known drivetrain loss for each model of car. Any honest dyno tuner/owner is going to use that known value as the % loss, or compensation factor. That % loss is going to be linked to the trannie used, NOT the car used.
If that known % loss is used at the dyno, then the hp #'s should be fairly realistic. (also using things like which gear is closest to a 1 to 1 ratio will hwlp in accuracy.4th gear for an Mr2 Turbo trannie)

The thing is, that % is only used to convert Hp at the wheels to Hp at the crank. 2 different measurements. a measurement that is again affeceted by what gear you used.

2nd, the only way to get non-dreamer results is at the crank??? No. That is only ONE of the ways that you can measure Hp. IF you want to compare the Hp from the dyno to what the manufacturer says your car has for power, than this is true. All car manufacturers use crank Hp in their advertisements/specs pecause its a much greater number. It impresses people into buying the car from them.
Think about it, would you rather buy a car with 160Hp, or one with 136Hp? Although they are the same engine and trannie, both are calculated at different points in the drivetrain.


You are not the only person on this board who has any knowledge on dynos. OR on drivetrains. I think we all need to get over it, and get back to the origonal question that this post started asking....
can anyone tell me what engine could get a 2001 camry to 300hp or 400hp??....thx

What you should have asked in the first place, sidler73, to avoid the back and forth backstabbing; "Is that 300Hp to 400Hp crank? or at the wheels... OR at the dyno?"

That would have saved yourself alot of grief.

-Dave