engine swap.....

Can anyone take a guess how much it would be to do an engine swap in a 3rd gen camaro. LS1/ LT1?

depends on alot....the LT1 would be the easiest cause it almost bolts right in...i read a article in hot rod about them doing that...they had to use the corvette accesories.. that could be done relatively cheap...............the ls1 would be a nightmare all the adapters and stuff you would have to use.... to put one in my car it would probably be in excess of 10K..

hmmm, just thinkin, Ill either sell it, modd the 305, engine swap.
But if i sell, im freking gonna get like nothin for it. I dont know, but im gonna do something real soon, what it is I dont know.

You once told me you love that TBI, and I heard one that was modified extremely and it sounded sick! You gotta have faith if you're gonna mod it!

I agree that the LT1/LS1 is built faster from factory so you can either buy a faster built car, than the TBI..i know, the TBI, or you can do a swap, ask drivingstorm about the LT1 swap.

if i was gonna attempt to put a modern powerplant in the lt1 would be at the top of my list....i never even considered until i read a old "HOT ROD" from somewhere around 1994. they did it in a '92 Z28 i think....it looked like the lt1 belonged there..looked very natural..and it ran mid 12's i think...i'll have to dig it out and post it sometime

You once told me you love that TBI, and I heard one that was modified extremely and it sounded sick! You gotta have faith if you're gonna mod it!

I agree that the LT1/LS1 is built faster from factory so you can either buy a faster built car, than the TBI..i know, the TBI, or you can do a swap, ask drivingstorm about the LT1 swap.
I totally believe I could get a good 300hp from just boltons, but I dont know what to do in the meantime because since im in college, all my money's gone. Im probably feeling like this because the car looks like crap from all the flippin rain, once I wash it itll change my mind and ill want to keep it forever, lol.
Long live the TBI's.......
Dont worry, im gonna prove em all wrong about 305 TBI's, as soon as I get more money. I still love em.....

I totally believe I could get a good 300hp from just boltons
i dont know about that. does turbo count as bolton?

i dont know about that. does turbo count as bolton?
I know someone was gonna say something about that, ill try to post the web site where I got the info.
but no, no turbo.

LT1 all the way. You can basically just bolt the LT1 up to everything. Plus while you may be able to squeeze 300 out of TBI, thats just the starting point for a LT1.

Couple of my friends did a build on an 85 iroc, took a 350 from a 79 chevy 4x4, spent around $4k, got 350hp out of it, no turbo, happy gas, or anything like that. Just bolt ons and one huge cam.

I don't know about an LT1/LS1 swap, but going from 305-350 in my '92 has me out of about $3k already, and now I'm still not done...sucks. Just buy a different car with everything already done haha and please god don't go carb. I hate it.

hey dont diss the carb! i know FI has alot of benifits...maybe my dads rubbing off on me...he is still greiving the departure of carbs

Carbs like the dinosaur went extinct for a reason. Sure they can make lots of power and sure if tuned properly they can make a engine purr but can they use a computer to make a exact measurement of fuel for each cylinder based on how much air your sucking in to deliver peak performance while giving optimuim fuel economy. Not to mention anyone who has tried starting a carb on a cold winter morning while running late to work knows why FI is the way to go. Although carbs are still out there kicking ass at the track but its Fuel injection all the way for me.

hey in the final days of carbs they were computer controlled! not as efficient as FI..and didnt handle as many duty's. there were several ...the one that came on my camaro Was supposed to be a E2SE VERA-JET II there were others but i dont know the models

I'm just saying, I never should have swapped my TBI.

Not to mention anyone who has tried starting a carb on a cold winter morning while running late to work knows why FI is the way to go.

None of mine have ever displayed a problem. Hell, my Caprice was the best, not even a tap of the pedal to shut the choke, fired right up even after sitting for near 2 weeks in 10 to 20 degrees (daytime highs) the whole time. Any of my EFI cars, try and do the same, eh eh, that's a PITA that usually requires charging the damn battery from trying to crank the sucker.

LS1's will bolt in fine. All it takes is the adapter motor mounts and crossmember. Other than that its just wiring. But that is the same with both the lt1 and ls1.

I wouldnt sell the car because your right, you wont get what its worth. And I also wouldnt stick with TBI or 305. At least not with the factory computer.

i didnt think you needed any adapters for the lt1

I think it uses the regular small block mounts. The ls1 has different mounts but the adaptors bolt right to the k member.

i didnt think you needed any adapters for the lt1

well the t56 needs a different tranny crossmember, you'll also need a better radiator, corvette accessories (unless you want to beat your crossmember out of the way of the a/c compressor), different fuel lines, a custom wiring harness, you're gonna need to mount the pcm somewhere underhood since its too big to fit where your factory one is, you're also gonna need an lt1 fan shroud, if you're going to use a 6-speed you'll also need to cut a hole in your firewall, and cut a hole for the shifter, you'll also need a speedometer adjustment module, and a custom intake setup. plus finding a place to mount a power steering resivour (spelling?) anyways, theres more to the list but i have class but you get the idea, its no drop in let me tell you that much, except for the motor mounts, nothing just bolts up...

with the ls1 you can use fbody accessories, hawks sells brackets to use the factory a/c compressor. Im using a 4l60e trans and making a custom guage cluster out of a 4th gen cluster. Its just a lot of wiring. The motor and trans should go right in.

I must have a 350 in my car all this talk about I 305 being slow I think i'm pretty fast.

My friend said he did his LS1 swap for 3 thousand, he has a 92z, still not sure how he pulled that off, I'd have to see under the hood to see what he used, I only rode in it once.

if youre car is T.B.I you could up grade to T.P.I. tuned port injection you wont spent alot of money if you go to a junk yard it is easy to do my friend did it to his 1987 suburban and it looks good i would say it look better then my LT1 he spent 90$ in the junk yard and 200$ on ebay for the injector
so you need to wake up early mornig to find one junk yard because they dont last a day.alot of people are doing it and some people are selling this on ebay for lots of $$$$$ so go to the junk yard its worth it

Yeah if you do the labor yourself and you keep all eyes and ears open for the best deals the ls1 swap isnt all that bad. My swap should be close to 3000 but it will probably go a little over that. Depends on which direction I go with the cam and trans really.

So far I have:
complete shortblock
intake manifold
stock rocker arms(thinking of some harlan sharps instead=more $)
tsp pushrods
heads with comp918 springs(had the machine shop clean them up)
injectors
ARP head bolts
ARP rod bolts
Complete felpro gasket set (upper and lower)
clevite bearings
rollermaster double roller timing set
oil pan, windage tray, pickup tube
I bought a NX stage 2 nitrous cam but I dont know if I want to use it or not. Might have to go bigger :)
and I have the ls1 adapter mounts

Probably some other stuff somewhere. Im running a parts store out of my bedroom right now because I cant install this stuff till my bearings get here. I tore up the first set when the mains werent seated all the way when I tried to plastigage it. Live and learn though. I dont think I have hit the 2000 mark yet with just those parts but im not far away.

Hey everyone. It's been awhile. I'm currently in Wyotech and the shit is great! As some already know, I'm gonna blow the 305 with the charger i got from 92z and some research. and i've also gotta a couple of other things up my sleeve. I'll post results, even if they are crappy, but let's hope for the best!

[quote=92zcamaroperson]Yeah if you do the labor yourself and you keep all eyes and ears open for the best deals the ls1 swap isnt all that bad. My swap should be close to 3000 but it will probably go a little over that. Depends on which direction I go with the cam and trans really.


My friend did it himself and his mechanic

I happen to have a 77 chev 350 in my 91 trans am. with a carb. Never been happier. f-- that fuel inj. unless your gonna run it up a steep hill. I get 17 miles a gallon. Not bad for an engine that old...with a carb. and i dont have to deal with all the B.S. no computers, no nothin. i can start her up and go, in the middle of January, all you need is a CHOKE. Maybe Ill give you some boys a lesson on how to run a carberated engine. I would never go any other way. I dont want to spend all the money replacing sencors and all that other crap that comes with a fuel injected pile


no harm meant .
if you are not off roading, than you dont really need fuel injection
sorry guys, just a carb fan, dont take it personal
enjoy

good point. As long as you can do the maintenance that goes along with a carb its fine. FI in the end will still yield better results though.