Cars That Compare

can you guys list cars that compare, i am geting a new car soon and i wanted to get a car with a back seat but so far this seems the best one but thers no back seat.

wait until the Infiniti G35 Coupe comes out. It looks almost exactly like the 350Z, but will have back seats.

check it out at www.infiniti.com under future cars.

thanks, any other cars? did any one hear any thing about the new Mazda?

Originally posted by AngelOfTheFallen
thanks, any other cars? did any one hear any thing about the new Mazda?

Whats Mazda planning to reveal? They need another sporty car.

do you mean the Mazda RX8? anyway, for a new car, something like a secondhand R33 skyline will be brilliant if you are into that kind of thing, or how about an older BMW or Merc. if you want to buy new for the same money as the Z, then i would think something like a Golf would be good (VW have a very nice lookin R32 golf soon to be released)

mmm...hmm you wana car around the same price as the new Z?...hmm....i guess i might have to go with Pennzoil GTR on this one..

Oh wait! why dont you think about the Subaru Impreza WRX STI iv seen alot here in seattle. So probably the model is out now in special order. Might wana check it out. only around $30,000..somewere around there..The Lancer Evolution VII is also making an apperance in the states..not to be confused with Lancer. Check it out..:D

thanks

also, i dont know if you have these stateside, but the Renault Clio V6. Very fast little car, if a little treacherous in the wet due to its mid engine, RWD layout

nope..you dont see any of those euro cars like the Renault..here in washington..we more into japanese domestic, US domestic, and hell of alot of BMW m5s and m3s. another small car like the cilo i wouldn't mind purchasing, would be the 2003 mini cooper type S...ohhh yeah...turbo charged mini..ahhahaha...**orgasim**

Originally posted by wingsofwar
another small car like the cilo i wouldn't mind purchasing, would be the 2003 mini cooper type S...ohhh yeah...turbo charged mini..ahhahaha...**orgasim**

mmmmm, the Cooper S. a mate of mine has a standard cooper, and that handles fantastically, all it needed was a little more power, and now it has it! btw, Cooper S is supercharged;)

go for the rx-8. its gonna be good for ya. if you want more info about it, head over to www.rx7club.com/forum

i want some thing sporty with like 260 hp cuz i can always hook it up but it cant be a sports car, i cant afford the insorance yet... thanks for the help so far

it cant be a sports car, i cant afford the insorance yet

isnt the 350Z a sports car?!?;)

do u class an old skool BMW E30 M3 as a sports car. those things are still thought to be better than the new M3 in Europe.

thats part of the reson i want some thing like the 350z
i think im going to go with the 2003 G35 there nice

the mini cooper type S is supercharged?! boy was i waaaay off..hahaha i think ill dunk my head in the toilet now..yay!!

I just hope that its not compared to a wrx. Not in same league and the 350z is faster

Answering the original question, I have a few candidates. First is a Mustang GT. My brother just bought a new one about 2 or 3 months ago for $21,500, practically loaded. It's got 260 hp, and 302 ft/lbs. The other specs are pretty close to the 350Z's, too.

For the price of a Track Model you could get a 2003 Mustang SVT Cobra, which would stomp on the 350Z, for lack of a better term. Heck, you could go pick on Corvettes with one of those.

And even though they have stopped making them, you can still buy a brand new Camaro SS or Z/28. They list at $29,750, but I have a feeling you could get a sweet deal on one since they're soon to be extinct. Those too, would embarrass a 350Z. And if you're curious about back seats, CHECK THIS CAR OUT. You will be amazed. Not only does it HAVE back seats, but you can USE them! Seriously!!

The S2000 is in that price range as well, and would be a SERIOUS pain in the 350Z's ass. It plays the 'less weight' card, but it works very well. It's about as practical as the 350Z, too.

The WRX was already mentioned, and I myself would take one of these over a 350Z anyday. It's WAY easy to make turbocharged cars go a lot faster than stock. And just wait for the STi!!

So there's 4 different similarly priced cars that you could buy brand new, TODAY, and compare a 350Z to (I won't even talk about used possibilities). In fact, I'd consider ALL these cars to be better values than the 350Z. I'm not against it at all, but I fail to see why it will be a success. It doesn't seem to do anything GREAT, it's just OK and it isn't exactly cheap. In fact, it sorta comes off as being the way that Camaros and Mustangs have been looked at over the years: straight line performance, and turning is secondary (of course just TRY saying that about today's Mustangs and Camaros). I can see it becoming what the Audi TT or Nissan 300ZX has become: you see 'em around every now and then, but you don't hear much about 'em because they are not that great.

Let me start out by saying American cars will never be as good as foreign cars. That takes care of your mustang and camaro.

And as for the wrx 0-60 in 5.7
And the S2000 0-60 5.5
The 350Z has been clocked at its first test drive by car and driver in 5.4
which will beat both of these cars.

So I think it looks pretty good for the Z

Oh yeh and i forgot to mention your great Camaro SS is 0-60 in 5.5 which is slower than the 350Z.

Originally posted by zane11
Let me start out by saying American cars will never be as good as foreign cars. That takes care of your mustang and camaro.



I'm really sorry if your opinion prevents you from buying a faster and less expensive car. Doesn't matter to me that you want to spend the extra cash. I mean, SOMEONE has to buy one, right?

And I don't know where you got that 5.5 figure, but that's way off. Even Car and Driver got 5.2 0-60 for a Z/28, and 4.9 for the SS.

Go ahead and buy a 350Z, then go try to pick on the first Camaro SS you find. If he decides to play, you're going to be staring at his tailpipes. Plain and simple. Like I said, I'm not against the 350Z, but lets be honest: it is a neat car, but not a revolutionary car.

Yes thats why i said its only my opinion i got the 5.5 camaro ss from Road and Track if you wanna check.

From experience and friends all have alot more problems with american cars

April 1999 Camaro SS they got 5.5 , it must be wrong because the Z28 also got 5.5

There mistakenot mine haha

Actually i think the mistake aws on the z28.

Because not only road and track got 5.5 but http://www.supercars.net/cars/2000@$Chevrolet@$Camaro%20SS%20Coupe.html also got 5.5

Check it out for yourself

Originally posted by zane11
Let me start out by saying American cars will never be as good as foreign cars. That takes care of your mustang and camaro.


cars have to go round corners too

Yes i agree and id take a Z for handleing before a camaro or mustang

Well Zane, it looks like my magazine is faster than yours.

Please do get a 350Z. It's a neat looking car, but I really think you're kidding yourself if you think your not only going to out accelerate an SS or Cobra but that you'll out maneuver one as well. You guys seem to think that those things can't handle either. They're not exactly nose heavy pigs anymore. The LS1 is all aluminum, just like your Z's motor, and it's set WAY back, They're actually pretty well-balanced pigs now. But don't take my word for it. Put down the magazines. Go buy one. Go to the track. Get REAL NUMBERS. TIMESLIPS. I have a 13 second timeslip from an SS RIGHT HERE. As far as we know, there are no 13 second 350Z timeslips. You can make one fast, sure, but you can make ANYTHING fast. As far as the stock-vs-stock arguement goes, you're pissing up a rope.

And that's only the domestic arguement...

its not so much how high the lateral cornering g figure is, its the composure through the corner thats allows you plenty of warning about whats going on in the car, and that allows you to push that bit harder. not purposefully slating US cars but they generally havent quite got the chassis as refined as European and Japanese cars have (yet)

Yeah, its sad that American consumers have never put a premium on that aspect Penz. We could build them, they just chose not to (sad sad sad). But then again, take the Mustang for example. A chassis that has been around since the 70's refined to the level it is at is fairly good. I would love to see more balanced cars in the US.

The US would have done well to make a big thing of importing some of their cars to Europe. A small selection would probably have sold brilliantly. The old Mustangs are considered pretty much cult classics over here, and the old vettes are also held in high regard.

I'll agree with you that americans have, for the most part, missed the boat on the handling issue. That is not to say that there are no cars that can deliver in that category. Corvettes have always been good, and some Mustangs along the way have done well. But yeah, there still is some work to be done.

Looking for something with a back seat that will run with (away!) from a 350Z?

Check out the 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra. 390HP / 390lb/ft. IRS, big Brembos, 6sp, awesome sound system -- and all at the same price as the 350Z Track Model.

I just saw the review of the Track Z in Car and Driver. Impressive, but with a list price of $34,500+ it's right there with the Cobra. It's tough to pass up an extra 100 hp for the same price.

I've a 350Z on order (#8 in Indy), but if I had the extra 7K, I'd be at the Ford dealer.

Man i no i must soubnd like i really hate american cars but its FORD and that could never be a everyday used car like a z

And why could you not use it every day? I know plenty of people who drive Lightnings everyday with no problems. I know lots of guys who drive SC and Turbo stangs also everyday. You loose on that one.

No way i no a guy who went a ford dealer and looked at a mustang cobra and he said himself its not an everyday. The fird dealership sai d that

OK, so people are buying them to look at? Dude, you lost me. Why would you buy a car to NOT drive it? And what's the difference between the new Cobra and the older ones in terms of driveability? Now you're just trying to shoot it down. It's a lot easier than just admitting that it's an amazing car, isn't it?

You are full of nonesense. You think Ford built that car to only be used on weekends? If that was so they never would have brought it out...they have to do the warrenty stuff on it. With that in mind you think they would put out a car that could not be driven everyday. Do you realize how many they will sell? You just lost any kind of credibility that you know what you are talking about with most people who will read this. No hard feelings, but I am done on this.

I no its an awsome car faster than vettes for cheaper. I'm just simply stating what a FORD salesperson said.

You buy that cobra and you buy 350Z or s2000 annything like that drive them for like 10 years come back and conpare them. I think you'll have your answer

Sorry if im coming off the wrong way. American cars are much much better than they used to be but i still think it will not last as long.

And yes they are all GREAT cars.

Originally posted by wingsofwar

Oh wait! why dont you think about the Subaru Impreza WRX STI iv seen alot here in seattle. So probably the model is out now in special order. Might wana check it out. only around $30,000..somewere around there..The Lancer Evolution VII is also making an apperance in the states..not to be confused with Lancer. Check it out..:D [/B]


Yeah, go with the WRX. Despite turbo lag up to 4000 rpm's, you get a $25,000 car with a big back seat. I will have to say that the interior isn't impressive but 4 doors, fast, not considered a sports car (but really should be with a 0-60 in 5.4 and 1/4mile 14.1, same as the 350Z) answers your question. If your hung up on the 260 hp, and not looking for a "sports car" better start looking for a used late model Mercedes or BMW.

One,

HHH

Originally posted by formerfordguy
Looking for something with a back seat that will run with (away!) from a 350Z?

Check out the 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra. 390HP / 390lb/ft. IRS, big Brembos, 6sp, awesome sound system -- and all at the same price as the 350Z Track Model.

I just saw the review of the Track Z in Car and Driver. Impressive, but with a list price of $34,500+ it's right there with the Cobra. It's tough to pass up an extra 100 hp for the same price.

I've a 350Z on order (#8 in Indy), but if I had the extra 7K, I'd be at the Ford dealer.

a track model 350Z and a base model 350Z, performance wise, are essentially the same 287hp car. with $7000 i could get a Honda Civic Si to run with a Cobra, let alone a 350Z (a turbocharger will put that Z at around 350hp). Futhermore, brembos and a sound system, that may or may not be as good as the standard stereo in the Z, arent worth $7000. Do you really think $7000 couldnt get 100hp in the Z?

But now you're talking 'could's. You'll still have the warranty with the Cobra, and you can imagine the possible teething problems you may have with modifying the Si to that level. And in the end, you're still driving a Honda Civic. I mean, if you really wanted to, you could do the same thing with an SVT Focus, a Nissan Sentra, or even a Kia Sephia!! I'd still take the Cobra.

I do not care what a mag says. I thought about the WRX, I drove it, I know people with them, and they show up to the tracks all the time. 14.1 is not the norm or average for them. You are once again taking a cool car and pumping it up to the extreme. One jumped me off the line but I passed him real quick on the street. They launch good and then the 4 shows, pure and simple. What is it with you, too much "The Fast and the Furious?" Hey, and I have been killed by tuned imports...so I am not running around saying it can't be done, but come on dude/

Originally posted by malibubong


a track model 350Z and a base model 350Z, performance wise, are essentially the same 287hp car. with $7000 i could get a Honda Civic Si to run with a Cobra, let alone a 350Z (a turbocharger will put that Z at around 350hp). Futhermore, brembos and a sound system, that may or may not be as good as the standard stereo in the Z, arent worth $7000. Do you really think $7000 couldnt get 100hp in the Z?

Yeah, but now you're not comparing similar cars. It's always tempting to play the "what if" game. So, instead of a base 350Z, what if I take a base Mustang GT and spend $7000 on it? The Mustang aftermarket is huge -- I can have damn close to 400 HP with a blower and still have a ton of money to dump into brakes, etc.

My point was, that dollar for dollar, the higher end Z's lose some of their value advantage.

I do have to admit that if and or when the STI or EVO VIII hit the US we are going to have a whole new mess to deal with. Z's, F bodies, and stangs all better watch out.

Of course, if the EVO, WRX, and a GT R all started selling real well in the US it would be a good thing...the American companies would finally kick it into high gear (I hope) and Nissan woud get a turbo out quicker than the rumored 2 years. Problem is the cost of these halo cars.

I also just built two Z's online...the track was $34,945.00, the touring 34,544...those would be the two I would look at. I would probably go tour with the leather and all...better resale loaded. The track would be fun. Bad part is that it Cobra range and more than a Mach 1 big time. I would never use the track car (just like it) so it would be a waste for me. Man, I like that orange color.

I do have to admit that if and or when the STI or EVO VIII hit the US we are going to have a whole new mess to deal with. Z's, F bodies, and stangs all better watch out.

Damn, i thought when you guys said Imprezas you meant all the STi's, RB5's etc. I didnt know you only got the standard WRX. You really had better watch out if you start getting stuff like the old P1's and 22B's (Type R in Japan). Those things make Ferrari drivers look stupid.

Do you get the Special Evo's like the Tommi Makinen, Extreme, RS editions etc.???

Nope.

We have a standard WRX right now...turbo, nice car, not the killer people claim it to be (keep in mind Im still in Amercian street race mucking about or 1/4 mile track time mode).

The Lancer is just a Lancer, no EVO at all.

No Skyline (I wish)

Most import cars to the US are detuned and sorta weak. I know STI's, EVO's, and so on would wipe me on the street stock. This other stuff will not.

I still think for what I have been talking about the Z and Stang GT are gonna be close and the F bodies will walk them both flat out. I still give the nod to the stang in most cases. The new Mach is a different beast though.

I wish we would get the monster halo cars of Japan, it would kick us into hight gear.

It is going to be interesting how that new Neon hot rod comes out...the Dodge boys in the US have said the goal of the company is to offer a car in every class that out performs all others etc etc. The first thing comming is a V 10 Viper motered Dodge pickup to fight the Lightning. They have a hot little 4 banger Neon on the way that could (will it, who knows) be a threat to the WRX STI guys.

well as for the evo all i got to say is going to be fast like 5.1sec zero to sixty and the 1/4mile at 13.3 at 101mph there trying to come out with the real thing if that the case the 350 and rx8,stand little chance agianst
it as for the neon they need more then 247pound of torque to hang.:( :(