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97 BMW M3
04-04-2006, 12:33 PM
i was driving my heavliy modified 97 m3 (pics coming soon) on i-5 when i saw somelights coming up fast so i picked it up when i saw what kinda car it was i was shocked it was an nsx 2001 look alike so he got over and pulled up next to me so he honked his horn three times and we were off, i had him from the start i had perfect 60 mph drop i screamed off and was atleast 5 car lengths in front off him the whole time i hit 160 mph and then backed off i havent seen the nsx since and if ur reading this guy who was driving the nsx, u just got knocked the fuck out!!!!!!!!:grinyes:

youngvr4
04-04-2006, 12:37 PM
hey i live in seattle we should meet up so i can see your heavily modded m3

97 BMW M3
04-04-2006, 12:53 PM
ya dude i live out on in gig harbor across the narrows but ill drive out there to seattle are u going to got to the gloabl import car show at the tacoma dome may 13 if so u will see there because i entered it for best import car.:cwm27:

SeaWarrior
04-04-2006, 12:56 PM
:feedback: :useless: ......otherwise...>>:bs:

what are your mods?

97 BMW M3
04-04-2006, 01:09 PM
superchargerd inline 6 with catback exhaust upgraded headers tein suspieon swaybars volk 8 piece rims evo style body kit euro carbonfiber taillights carbon fiber hood aftermarket paint (gray) and a unversial spoiler, trust me dude no bullshit here pics coming soon and when u see them u will take back every thing u said.

SeaWarrior
04-04-2006, 01:17 PM
aaaa.... i didn't say anything....i just said that I would like some pics and some more feedback to verify the car...that's all...chill man...

Igovert500
04-04-2006, 02:26 PM
Yep, that's just the way it is around here. You come on and claim you have anything, and you will be asked to prove it, before anyone believes you.

If you want to silence all the critics right off the bat, get a pic with you and the car, and a sign on the windshield saying your user screenname (97 BMW M3). Until then, few will believe.

If you do have it, and you did kill the nsx, then very nice race.

Elk
04-04-2006, 03:54 PM
A modified M3 beating an NXS isn’t hard to believe, hell a modified Civic beating a NSX isn’t hard to believe. The thing only has 280 hp.

youngvr4
04-04-2006, 04:52 PM
and runs the 1320 in 13.2

not fast at all:rolleyes:

youngvr4
04-04-2006, 04:56 PM
ya dude i live out on in gig harbor across the narrows but ill drive out there to seattle are u going to got to the gloabl import car show at the tacoma dome may 13 if so u will see there because i entered it for best import car.:cwm27:

i highly doubt it, my ex is a import model and she gets on my last nerve
and since she'll be there, i probably will not
plus, its getting old, its the same thing every year, nothing excites me anymore.

so whenever you can make it to seattle, then lets go for a drive...hopefully your telling the truth, cause i need to loose, i haven't lost in a long time:evillol:

Elk
04-04-2006, 06:08 PM
and runs the 1320 in 13.2

not fast at all:rolleyes:
It can run 13.2 because it’s 40/60 front/rear weight distribution gives it a great launch. Racing from a roll there not fast.

VR43000GT
04-04-2006, 08:23 PM
Pics are a must. I would love to here about a race between the nOOb and YoungVR4! Go from a dig and another one from a role and get footage. :grinyes: (Unlike the Bandit, damn phoney! :disappoin )

youngvr4
04-04-2006, 08:32 PM
It can run 13.2 because it’s 40/60 front/rear weight distribution gives it a great launch. Racing from a roll there not fast.

and they also trap at 106-108
not to mention very aerodynamic

from a roll, there still fast, unless were talking about the older nsx

Mad_Maxima
04-04-2006, 08:33 PM
Pics are a must. I would love to here about a race between the nOOb and YoungVR4! Go from a dig and another one from a role and get footage. :grinyes: (Unlike the Bandit, damn phoney! :disappoin ) :lol:

HAHAHA, I saw a post of his earlier today on another thread, I shoulda asked what the deal was. That vid with the civic is like a month overdue.

79Bandit
04-04-2006, 08:42 PM
the bandit a fake....right....the thread was closed and it pissed me off so i never posted the video and dont really care to...call me a fake if it makes you feel better...on another note the civic won the first race with spray and lost the second one without spray and i think thats when i bent one of my pushrods head over to the firebird forum and youll see some pictures of the damage..

Yours Truly,
The Fake

2000LS1Z28
04-04-2006, 09:13 PM
I'd say good kill, but something tells me to post BS, seeing how i've heard that the older M3's gearing tops out at around 150mph as I recall.

Oh, and if anyone wants to call bs on me owning my car, you're right, the bank owns it.

rice(er)
04-04-2006, 11:42 PM
the bandit a fake....right....the thread was closed and it pissed me off so i never posted the video and dont really care to...call me a fake if it makes you feel better...on another note the civic won the first race with spray and lost the second one without spray and i think thats when i bent one of my pushrods head over to the firebird forum and youll see some pictures of the damage..

Yours Truly,
The Fake

chillax mang, we were all expecting a vid from you, but you never did post it up. i was eager to come home from work just to see your vid! but NOOOOOOO.......anyways, how did the story ended? you paid him the $$$??? or what? details details...

SeaWarrior
04-04-2006, 11:43 PM
Yep, that's just the way it is around here. You come on and claim you have anything, and you will be asked to prove it, before anyone believes you.

If you want to silence all the critics right off the bat, get a pic with you and the car, and a sign on the windshield saying your user screenname (97 BMW M3). Until then, few will believe.

If you do have it, and you did kill the nsx, then very nice race.

Exactly, there are so many times that I've seen (as an observer...not a member) a noob come on a post something like this...i hope you're telling the truth and proof wouldn't hurt either...but here of AF.com it's an honor system, and the only way to prove that is to post a pic or two...no big deal...


Brian:)

TatII
04-04-2006, 11:55 PM
wow bandit your back. why didn't you just start another thread? i mean it was kinda messed up that you just left up hanging so you gotta understand why some of the other members feel that way towards you.

VR43000GT
04-05-2006, 12:02 AM
wow bandit your back. why didn't you just start another thread? i mean it was kinda messed up that you just left up hanging so you gotta understand why some of the other members feel that way towards you.

:1: Yeah what was with that. I along with others were waiting to see it and you never posted it. I was left confused. :confused:

Elk
04-05-2006, 12:13 AM
and they also trap at 106-108
not to mention very aerodynamic

from a roll, there still fast, unless were talking about the older nsx
They don’t trap 106-108. The fastest trap speed any of the auto mags have run is C&D’s 106 and that was a lighten limited-edition model. And it’s the same model your getting the 13.2 sec 1/4 mile time from.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=1823

The NSX is a slow and way over priced car.

79Bandit
04-05-2006, 12:26 AM
very well when i get the time ill post it but im seriously busy now trying to rebuild and all...and work and ect..lol you couldnt wait to get home from work just to see a race of me and a civic im flattered well no hard feelings i hope

VR43000GT
04-05-2006, 12:31 AM
^ I wasn't in any hurry but it would have been cool to see a video of someone on AF racing for some $$ when thats what they said. Not the end of the world, we just felt a little cheated.

TatII
04-05-2006, 01:05 AM
They don’t trap 106-108. The fastest trap speed any of the auto mags have run is C&D’s 106 and that was a lighten limited-edition model. And it’s the same model your getting the 13.2 sec 1/4 mile time from.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=1823

The NSX is a slow and way over priced car.

hahah i've always see them trap 106 mph, and according to car and driver on this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4566959562671564089&q=nsx&pl=true

they trap 110mph and puts 250whp stock.

nsx being slow? no, over priced, perhaps... depending on whos looking for what. a nsx would start 10 out of 10 times. thats something the old ferrari's couldn't do. also a car that still looks great today even though its 17 years old is amazing. also these cars holds their value amazingly well. good condition examples from 93 with 50K miles still fetch for over 30K. try gettin that much with even a early c5 vette.

-The Stig-
04-05-2006, 01:45 AM
hahah i've always see them trap 106 mph, and according to car and driver on this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4566959562671564089&q=nsx&pl=true

they trap 110mph and puts 250whp stock.

nsx being slow? no, over priced, perhaps... depending on whos looking for what. a nsx would start 10 out of 10 times. thats something the old ferrari's couldn't do. also a car that still looks great today even though its 17 years old is amazing. also these cars holds their value amazingly well. good condition examples from 93 with 50K miles still fetch for over 30K. try gettin that much with even a early c5 vette.



Thank you Tat. I was just about to say that.

Elk
04-05-2006, 01:54 AM
hahah i've always see them trap 106 mph, and according to car and driver on this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4566959562671564089&q=nsx&pl=true

they trap 110mph and puts 250whp stock.

nsx being slow? no, over priced, perhaps... depending on whos looking for what. a nsx would start 10 out of 10 times. thats something the old ferrari's couldn't do. also a car that still looks great today even though its 17 years old is amazing. also these cars holds their value amazingly well. good condition examples from 93 with 50K miles still fetch for over 30K. try gettin that much with even a early c5 vette.
No they don’t. When a car runs around 13.4 in most test and it runs 12.9 in one that means there was something wrong with the test.

The NSX was/is priced more then twice as high as a Corvette of course it’s going to have a higher Blue Book value. And it would like to see somebody buy a 93 NSX for $30,000 because it would be dam funny to see someone pay 30K for a 13 year old car that can’t beat a new $21,000 SRT-4. But I don’t think there is anybody dumb enough to pay $30,000 for a 93 NSX.

TatII
04-05-2006, 02:02 AM
No they don’t. When a car runs around 13.4 in most test and it runs 12.9 in one that means there was something wrong with the test.

The NSX was/is priced more then twice as high as a Corvette of course it’s going to have a higher Blue Book value. And it would like to see somebody buy a 93 NSX for $30,000 because it would be dam funny to see someone pay 30K for a 13 year old car that can’t beat a new $21,000 SRT-4. But I don’t think there is anybody dumb enough to pay $30,000 for a 93 NSX.

yeah but in the end, what would you rather be seen in? no matter what a srt-4 will always be associated with a neon. a NSX would always be known as a former ferrari ass whooper. hahah who would paly 30K for a 93 nsx? if i had the money i definitly would. that car is actually up on my list of cars to own during my life time.

my friends dad is a lawyer and owns many cars, he has a 996 GT3, a 93 NSX that is mint, a super charged CL55 AMG, and he loves that NSX to death. my friend himself drives a SRT-4. a SRT-4 is not faster then a 3.2 liter nsx, not in any contest of speed. not in handling, not in top speed ( a nsx tops out at 170mph ) not in braking, not in build quality, and damn as hell no where near as good looking.

a nsx is definitly a experience car, its the whole package. its not just about out right speed, and a NSX will lap as fast as a C5 vette yet it makes almost 100 less hp. that is what i call a well engineered car. just think about this, a car that was essentially unchanged for 17 years keeping up with one of americans fastest cars with almost 100 less hp. hmmmmm

also just go to nsxprime.com and most nsx owners also owns E46 M3's, and their NSX would beat their M3 from a roll 8 out of 10 times.

youngvr4
04-05-2006, 02:03 AM
http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_acura.jpg

ACURA NSX

This car surprised us all. Like the Porsche, Acura's sports car is set up more for decreasing radius turns than a dragstrip. In fact, it has the lowest horsepower rating in this test: 290 hp. Still, it finished ahead of more powerful machines because of its light weight and meticulous engineering.

The Acura's light weight comes from the use of aluminum in its structure, suspension and body. Our featherweight test car wasn't even the lightest available NSX model, the hardtop. We tested an NSX-T, the heaviest of the breed.

The meticulous engineering starts with that use of aluminum, and continues with the incredible refinement of this car's drivetrain. We were very surprised that the midengine NSX doesn't suffer from any wheelhop, which we attribute to its Torque Reactive Differential. It uses a multiplate clutch and helical-type planetary gears to keep each rear wheel spinning at the same speed. Getting this sports car off the line with plenty of rpm is no problem.

And boy, does this car like plenty of rpm. Its aluminum V6 engine, which features titanium connecting rods, redlines at 8000 rpm and really gives the driver a kick in the pants at 5800 rpm. That's when the Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control system (VTEC) engages the more radical camshaft lobes, and the exhaust note goes from subdued to extreme dude. Only the Ferrari does a better audio imitation of a Formula One car.

Rowing quickly through its transmission is a pleasure. The Acura's shifter is tight and direct. But like the Porsche, getting rubber on the gear changes with all that weight over the rear tires is impossible.

Test Summary:
Acura NSX

* Base price: $88,000, Price as tested: $88,745
* Engine: 3.2-liter/194.0 cu.-in. DOHC 24v V6
* HP: 290 @ 7100 rpm, Torque: 224 ft.-lb. @ 5500 rpm
* Trans: 4A, Drivetrain: midengine/rear drive
* Final drive: 4.62:1 w/electronic traction control
* Curb weight: 3160 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.9
* HP/liter: 90.6, Tires: f: 215/45ZR16, r: 245/40ZR17
* Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.94 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.97 sec.
* 1/4 mile: 13.17 sec. @ 107.65 mph


an older nsx will run the 1320 in more like low 14's high 13's
that a srt-4 might be able to kill, but the newer nsx, aint gonna happen, unless there's some horrible driver error

-The Stig-
04-05-2006, 02:24 AM
NSX = Sex.

Sorry Elk, you won't convince anybody here that the NSX is a heep.

If you've ever watched BestMotoring International, you'll see why the NSX is such a coveted car.

In Vol. 11 "Super Battle" BMI's usual on-track battle at the Twin Ring Motegi East Course. Where they race a Lamborghini Gallardo, a Lamborghini Murcielago, a Ferrari F360 Modena F1, a BMW M3 CSL, a Prosche 911 Turbo Tiptronic S and a Honda NSX-Type R.

The NXS Type R held the lead for 4 out of the 5 laps. It had to fall back due to over heating problems, then both Lamborghini's blitzed past it due to their exteme power advantages. Up until that point, they were stuck behind it because that stupid little over priced car, was out performing them in every way on a real race track.

Yeah, the NSX is crap alright.

Want to see the race yourself? Click here. (http://www.247motoring.com/shop/shop_showbook.php?id=best0011&client=livesockets)

SeaWarrior
04-05-2006, 02:27 AM
everyone can always rely on Young to break it down...good work man...but ya'll don't have to be so harsh on the vettes...it's making me a little hurt...:frown: ...:tongue:

and redneck...bravo...not to gang up on elk...but i agree with all of these guys...the Honda NSX is statistically, photogenically, and testimonially better....there is no opinion about it...proof is proof...badda bing...badda bang...badda boom...

Elk
04-05-2006, 03:00 AM
my friends dad is a lawyer and owns many cars, he has a 996 GT3, a 93 NSX that is mint, a super charged CL55 AMG, and he loves that NSX to death. my friend himself drives a SRT-4. a SRT-4 is not faster then a 3.2 liter nsx, not in any contest of speed. not in handling, not in top speed ( a nsx tops out at 170mph ) not in braking, not in build quality, and damn as hell no where near as good looking.

a nsx is definitly a experience car, its the whole package. its not just about out right speed, and a NSX will lap as fast as a C5 vette yet it makes almost 100 less hp. that is what i call a well engineered car. just think about this, a car that was essentially unchanged for 17 years keeping up with one of americans fastest cars with almost 100 less hp. hmmmmm

also just go to nsxprime.com and most nsx owners also owns E46 M3's, and their NSX would beat their M3 from a roll 8 out of 10 times.
I’m not saying a SRT-4 can beat the 3.2L NSX. I’m saying it can beat a 3.0L NSX.

The NSX running laps just as fast as the C5 Corvette would mean something if it was in the same price range. But by $90,000 standards it’s a slow car.

I would expect the guy on nsxprime.com to say that it’s not exactly a non-bias source of information.

Right_LiRrr
04-05-2006, 05:37 AM
I’m not saying a SRT-4 can beat the 3.2L NSX. I’m saying it can beat a 3.0L NSX.

The NSX running laps just as fast as the C5 Corvette would mean something if it was in the same price range. But by $90,000 standards it’s a slow car.

I would expect the guy on nsxprime.com to say that it’s not exactly a non-bias source of information.
When you say beat...you seriously devalue the meaning of the word. An SRT-4 is a drag queen. And the old SRT-4 is a mid 14s car anyway (since u want to compare old NSX it's only fair).

So when u say beat, you put too many conditions on the word - since u only talk about drag and u only talk about certain conditions.

The true measure of a sports car is not the drag strip, it's the time attack. The NSX will kill the SRT-4 around any track that has left and right corners.

And overpriced....perhaps because it doesn't have a fancy euro badge on it. But if you look at the amount of engineering that has gone into it, u would understand.

If you compare the NSX to an SRT-4 in regards to price, you're so putting it in the wrong league. The NSX was produced to race with the supercars, if you compare it to them, it's quite a bargain.

Just look at the materials it's made from. It's not some cheapass sports compact like a WRX or SRT-4.

And slow by 90,000 standards? The world doesn't revolve around drag racing! Drag racing is an American thing that most other car manufacturers consider with very little emphasis when building a "fast" car. I mean, by your standards, a Skyline GT-R is also a slow car since it's in that similar price range.

There is no way on earth you can convince a car enthusiast that an NSX is slow. Drag enthusiasts, quite possibly.

youngvr4
04-05-2006, 05:45 AM
I’m not saying a SRT-4 can beat the 3.2L NSX. I’m saying it can beat a 3.0L NSX.

The NSX running laps just as fast as the C5 Corvette would mean something if it was in the same price range.

what about the ferrari's and lambo's its killed on the track?
those cars are far more expensive

Igovert500
04-05-2006, 02:53 PM
So the Gallardo and Murcialago are slow and overpriced because the new z06 can beat them for only $70k?

Come on, perhaps you will get a few to agree that hte NSX was over-priced when it came out, perhaps. But to say it is slow, or even compare it to a turbod econo-box like the srt4 is ridiculous. You can take 20 grand and build a freaking fast geo metro that runs 11s, does that devalue the Ferrari Enzo? No, because you are still talking about a Geo and a freaking Ferrari.

2000LS1Z28
04-05-2006, 04:49 PM
While I will say that the NSX is a nice car, I tend to agree with saying that it is overpriced. There is a reason it didn't sell well afterall. I wouldn't wanna spend $90K for a car that can get smoked by any random vette. I'm sure they are reliable, and handle pretty well (I have seen them posting slower times around a track then the C5 vettes in the mags). In the end they were euthanized, for lack of being upgraded.

I wouldn't compare them with an SRT-4 though. An SRT-4 won't touch an NSX around a handling course, unless it has a busload of money pumped into it's suspension.

youngvr4
04-05-2006, 05:23 PM
at the same time, that Z06 is killing cars twice to 3 times its price
be it a nsx or 360 spider

-The Stig-
04-05-2006, 06:38 PM
If I had a place to keep one, and the spare cash. I'd sport a NSX.

They're just so nice... yum.

youngvr4
04-05-2006, 08:47 PM
my buddy sold his vr4 and stealthtt to get his nsx, and he loves it!

SeaWarrior
04-05-2006, 08:52 PM
bottom line....The NSX will beat the SRT-4 around a track by-far....the NSX isn't a drag race car...it is a sports car...a well rounded beautiful peice of japanese engineering...if you can't deal with the facts then that's too bad man...

clawhammer
04-05-2006, 09:10 PM
First of all, :bs: on the original topic, because no pictures.

Elk,




http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu1.jpg


You're just pissed because the NSX isn't American, and therefore isn't a good car. Go get laid.

Whumbachumba
04-05-2006, 11:52 PM
I'm surprised noone brought up that the SRT-4 is boosted and the 3.0 NSX isn't. Throw on a comptech supercharger and it will be drastically different. You can even get a 6th gen Accord into those numbers with a J32, S/C, unichip, and exhaust. Cost you maybe 10k more than a SRT-4 too, plus it looks alot better. </AV6 whoring>

TatII
04-06-2006, 12:03 AM
well if your talkin about aftermarket then it wouldn't be a legit comparison.

but nissanfanatic when he was at the track saw a nsx with a custom T04Z turbo kit runningly 5 psi trapping over 120mph. now that is sick for just 5 psi. those cars are designed go to as fast as possible with the least amount of power.

VR43000GT
04-06-2006, 12:35 AM
Yeah, I don't see how they perform like they do. The hp they put out doesn't seem to go with the times they put down. Are their bodies made of fiberglass?

TatII
04-06-2006, 02:12 AM
all aluminum, they put down 250whp stock so on a car that weights just under 3000lb it seems around right.

Mad_Maxima
04-06-2006, 02:13 AM
Yea, NSX are useless on the drag, so slow.:rolleyes:

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/Skyline/9/0EB860E7-25F4-433C-85EF-1D62014EFBBE.htm

TatII
04-06-2006, 02:19 AM
haha that 13.1 is slow compared to the rest of the times the NSX's get in japan. they usually get 12.8-12.9 atleast, with the best of 12.6 i saw. in japan they only weight 2800 lbs in the Type S Zero trim, and hte nsx-r weights alittle below 2700lbs though.

-The Stig-
04-06-2006, 02:34 AM
Well, don't the Japanese only measure the 400 meters?

That's only 1312ft... not exactly a full 1/4 mile... but close enough I'd say... maybe off a hundredth or so?

TatII
04-06-2006, 03:08 AM
yeah i thought a few feet would make any difference. the biggest difference i think is that they got all pro racers driving them.

Igovert500
04-06-2006, 02:16 PM
my buddy sold his vr4 and stealthtt to get his nsx, and he loves it!


Somebody on here?

thecackster
04-06-2006, 03:36 PM
I saw that race with the 2 lambos and the nsx and porche and m3...way awesome....if it were a 4 lap race game over....

youngvr4
04-06-2006, 09:01 PM
Somebody on here?

no, a buddy that i work with
he's now planning on getting a 355 ferrari:disappoin rich guy

youngvr4
04-06-2006, 09:02 PM
haha that 13.1 is slow compared to the rest of the times the NSX's get in japan. they usually get 12.8-12.9 atleast, with the best of 12.6 i saw. in japan they only weight 2800 lbs in the Type S Zero trim, and hte nsx-r weights alittle below 2700lbs though.

yea it tells you that it was the heaviest of the nsx's that ran the 13.1

Chiquae07
04-06-2006, 09:03 PM
lol the old temple of vtec videos....i havent seen one of those since about 4 years ago at least....

VR43000GT
04-06-2006, 10:02 PM
all aluminum, they put down 250whp stock so on a car that weights just under 3000lb it seems around right.

Really? I thought I heard a while back they were more like 260-265 at the crank. Mabye I'm mixing it up with another model...were the early NSX's close to 265hp at the crank?

TatII
04-07-2006, 02:26 AM
early 3.0 liter nsx with the 5 speeds made 270 at the crank. but the newer models with the 3.2 liters and the 6 speed made a underated 290 crank hp.

Elk
04-07-2006, 04:49 AM
NSX = Sex.

Sorry Elk, you won't convince anybody here that the NSX is a heep.

If you've ever watched BestMotoring International, you'll see why the NSX is such a coveted car.

In Vol. 11 "Super Battle" BMI's usual on-track battle at the Twin Ring Motegi East Course. Where they race a Lamborghini Gallardo, a Lamborghini Murcielago, a Ferrari F360 Modena F1, a BMW M3 CSL, a Prosche 911 Turbo Tiptronic S and a Honda NSX-Type R.

The NXS Type R held the lead for 4 out of the 5 laps. It had to fall back due to over heating problems, then both Lamborghini's blitzed past it due to their exteme power advantages. Up until that point, they were stuck behind it because that stupid little over priced car, was out performing them in every way on a real race track.

Yeah, the NSX is crap alright.
I’ve seen the race and was actually surprised the NSX-R didn’t win because the Best Motoring guys level of experience NSX was way higher then with any of the other cars.

About the race. Watching it I could tell the guy in the Murcielago wasn’t even trying to past the NSX till the end of the race and would have won easily even if the NSX-R hadn’t overheated.

The main point I would like to make about the race is this: That wasn’t the normal NSX you can buy in America for $90,000. Which makes the race pretty much irrelevant to this discussion.

The true measure of a sports car is not the drag strip, it's the time attack. The NSX will kill the SRT-4 around any track that has left and right corners.

And overpriced....perhaps because it doesn't have a fancy euro badge on it. But if you look at the amount of engineering that has gone into it, u would understand.

If you compare the NSX to an SRT-4 in regards to price, you're so putting it in the wrong league. The NSX was produced to race with the supercars, if you compare it to them, it's quite a bargain.

Just look at the materials it's made from. It's not some cheapass sports compact like a WRX or SRT-4.

And slow by 90,000 standards? The world doesn't revolve around drag racing! Drag racing is an American thing that most other car manufacturers consider with very little emphasis when building a "fast" car. I mean, by your standards, a Skyline GT-R is also a slow car since it's in that similar price range.
The street racing is pretty much all drag racing. And I know what goes into the NSX. The NSX is a “less is more car” which would make it a good car if it was priced like a “less is more car”.

If you look at a 1993 Impreza and a 2006 Impreza WRX STi. And then do the same with the NSX you will see that there has been a lot more engineering put into the Impreze in that time then the NSX.

So the Gallardo and Murcialago are slow and overpriced because the new z06 can beat them for only $70k?
Well at this point yes the Corvette Z06 has gotten so good that it is now making a lot of supercars look like a waste of money.

You're just pissed because the NSX isn't American, and therefore isn't a good car.
No I’m ripping on the NSX for the same reason Honda only sold 16 in the U.S. last year. And that is it’s way overpriced for what you get.

haha that 13.1 is slow compared to the rest of the times the NSX's get in japan. they usually get 12.8-12.9 atleast, with the best of 12.6 i saw. in japan they only weight 2800 lbs in the Type S Zero trim, and hte nsx-r weights alittle below 2700lbs though.
I checked Acura’s website. The U.S. NSX is 3153 lbs manual and 3197 lbs auto. Which I guess explains why the NSXs sold in Japan are faster.

clawhammer
04-07-2006, 08:48 AM
Generally when people have enough money to be able to afford an NSX, they want more than fast straighline speed. The NSX is not a drag car, even though it is pretty quick. It's more of a car with a lot of luxury in mind, that can beat a lot of cars on a track.

FYI, Acura sold 208 NSXs for 2005, and you can buy them new for under $80,000.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=470508

Right_LiRrr
04-07-2006, 09:00 AM
The street racing is pretty much all drag racing. And I know what goes into the NSX. The NSX is a “less is more car” which would make it a good car if it was priced like a “less is more car”.

No no, AMERICAN street racing is pretty much all drag racing. Which just goes to prove my earlier point: drag racing is predominantly an American pastime (and of course other countries influenced by American culture)


If you look at a 1993 Impreza and a 2006 Impreza WRX STi. And then do the same with the NSX you will see that there has been a lot more engineering put into the Impreze in that time then the NSX.


That's because they stopped developing the NSX after the 3.2L overhaul. It's just a trophy that Honda continued to sell on the market. It was more of a relic that Honda couldn't let go of.

And the NSX was first built in the 80s. Honda put everything into the NSX to make it the perfect example of the Honda philosophy: high HP/L e.g. DOHC, VTEC etc; light; long lasting etc etc.

The STi when it first came out was just something Subaru bunged together to compete in the market. Whereas, the NSX was Honda going all out. I mean, the STi only got variable valve timing recently whereas the NSX had it from the go in the 80s. There really isn't much more engineering you can put into the NSX!

You're clearly comparing oranges to apples.

Elk
04-07-2006, 09:14 AM
Generally when people have enough money to be able to afford an NSX, they want more than fast straighline speed. The NSX is not a drag car, even though it is pretty quick. It's more of a car with a lot of luxury in mind, that can beat a lot of cars on a track.
What luxury? You can get a Civic with more stuff then an NSX. Like Satellite Navigation.

turtlecrxsi
04-07-2006, 10:30 AM
What luxury? You can get a Civic with more stuff then an NSX. Like Satellite Navigation.

Actually, you're wrong. NSX were always available with leather seats, power everything, premium audio, etc.

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