I want torque

first of all, i love AF. i have been loosing sleep reading through all tha threads. i just got my verry first civic, a 2000 ex. im not sure what engine comes with it. i think i'll look into that tomorrow. anyway, horsepower is good but i really want low end torque more than anything. where do i begin?

you have the D16Y8 motor with 127 HP and 107 ft/lbs of torque. The first things that I would suggest would be I/H/E. Intake, header, and exhaust. Those are the most common first mods, simple bolt ons. They should give you about 15 hp.

i have to admit that you did find the biggest fault with hondas very quickly though. people all over this board have been looking for ways to effectively increase the amount of low-end in our motors. once our cars rev high enough we can be pretty quick. but until then we are screwed. the i/h/e setup will help out, but you do need to learn how to take advantage of horsepower, rather than torque.

If you plan on getting a catback with your exhaust keep in mind you will loose your bottom end inorder to gain your top end.

i was thinking, or actually i was told that if i did an intake, intake manifold and a bigger fuel rail i could get around 80 hp. as for the loss of low end with a cat back, is that because i'll be dropping back pressure?

Whoever told you that you were going to get 80hp from intake, IM, and fuel rail is extremely misinformed and I suggest you never listen to anything that they say ever again! An intake manifold will give you around 8hp.

if you want torque sell your Civic now and buy something with a decent sized motor. Like an Accord V6 or TL, or Trans Am or something.

Want torque? One word:

TURBO

Originally posted by fjt
Want torque? One word:

TURBO

Want torque? Two words:

NISSAN MAXIMA

;)

want torque? dodge ram

Swonder67 right on. My buds got a '98, one sweet engine. Its halarious* when Civics get raped buy it.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
Swonder67 right on. My buds got a '98, one sweet engine. Its halarious* when Civics get raped buy it. where in oregon are you from?

I hate to see Civics 'get raped'. :bloated:

*cough* B20 swap *cough*

even a turbo can't touch an LS1 guys.. dont kid yourselves

Originally posted by scaterdilusions
i was thinking, or actually i was told that if i did an intake, intake manifold and a bigger fuel rail i could get around 80 hp. as for the loss of low end with a cat back, is that because i'll be dropping back pressure?

80 HP? You're kidding, right?

80 HP is a B18c5 - the Integra Type R engine - a tuned B-18 with DOHC VTEC (In other words, a performance VTEC on both the intake and exhaust valves, we only have exhaust), performance pistons, high compression, excellent header, exhaust, and intake.

80 HP on a D16y8 is serious forced induction.

That being said, I agree that you first need to learn to use your power not your torque. One key way to do this is to keep your speed up in corners. There are driving techniques that will help this - if you want to learn them, then I recommend starting by autocrossing. Also good tires will go a long way in this area.

However, there is one relatively simple, inexpensive modification you can do to really help handling: A rear swaybar of approximately 19mm diameter. I would recommend the same Suspension Techniques bar I have. Its cheap, its good, and it has very good mounting brackets (the most important part of a swaybar. This will help you keep those revs up around corners - which will increase your fun a great deal.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
Swonder67 right on. My buds got a '98, one sweet engine. Its halarious* when Civics get raped buy it.

Dude you're a butthole. There's a huge ass difference between a Maxima and a Civic, they aren't anything alike, and anyone in a Max who feels cool for beating a Civic is a fucking toolbox. That's like me going "It's so cool when a TL smokes a Sentra".

if you really want torque, then go with a B20 or a H22. Thatll give you some serious power.

hmmm torque? ever think about a Stroker?


no replacement for cubic inch displacement...

Originally posted by RedNeck383
hmmm torque? ever think about a Stroker?


no replacement for cubic inch displacement...


your very right. only problem is stroking a honda is it isnt as easy as stroking a 350 or a windsor motor. those are time honored motors with a shitload of parts available or like youve done simply swap parts from another motor (to make what i believe is the best stroked motor, a 383, kudo's to you on that) to do the job. most parts for hondas are only swapable with thier own series of blocks like d,b,h,f so taking the crank from an h22 and trying to use it on a d series motor isnt gonna fit first off and second if it did it would throw the balance of the motor off so bad it would probably crack a cylinder wall or egg a rod on the first start. so d series owners are stuck with a 1.6 liters crank or from what ive seen no stroker kits to date except custom fab'd ones. b series owners have some options but they cost so damn much its rediculous like the toda or crower stroker kits and to only gain .2 liters in displacment you have to wonder why why the hell you woudl even do it. same goes for butting a b18 crank in a b16, .2 liters extra and a shitty balanced motor just doesnt really appeal to me. the h series has the h23 crank but again, what a waste unless your motor is toast and you need a new crank anyway.

i dont know i could go on for hours about why a 4 cylinder is a waste to stroke but would rather not. its just when you have displacement to begin with stroking can get you good things, when you dont its really a waste when all you can get out of it is an extra .1 or 2 liters.

basically if you want torque on your 4 banger turbo/supercharge it.

if you want real torque, buy a car with a v8 in it.

Originally posted by CivicRacerX


Dude you're a butthole. There's a huge ass difference between a Maxima and a Civic, they aren't anything alike, and anyone in a Max who feels cool for beating a Civic is a fucking toolbox. That's like me going "It's so cool when a TL smokes a Sentra".

actually, I just think it's funny how civic owners think they're cars are so fast. I used to be one of them. I had I/H/E and I would think my car was fast, then I wasn't even fast enough to pass a school bus.

Dude you shouldnt try to make a civic cx a performance car... what were you thinking? The only good Nissans are Sentra SE-Rs and the Zs new and old, if you arent owning those nissans you have no bragging rights whatsoever.. My friends CRX si beat a 1999 Maxima by two car lengths.. Two! and the maxima's engine sounded even whinner than the rex's lil 1.6liter 4banger .. BTW why are you even in a honda forum if you dispise them so much??

Originally posted by CivSiGuy
even a turbo can't touch an LS1 guys.. dont kid yourselves

sure it could......did anyone see that post on the C5 corvette forum where this guy w/ a C5 was trashing on rice burners, and a turbo '00 si challenged him....they lived close to each other so they took it to the drag strip and the turbo civic beat the LS1 powered C5 'vette. the vette wasn't stock either.

Yeah I loved that post! The corvette retired his name on the forum and has never posted there since! Not only did the civic beat him but he beat him by car lengths...

yeah one flaw in that though, do all the same mods to a corvette and it will consume you for lunch, spit you up and eat you again for dinner.

i own 2 hondas, i like them, but seriously people there is no replacement for displacement, and no not even a turbo.

yeah but some people like imports. that's a stupid thing to bring up. that's like seeing a fully built crx beat a prelude and saying. "yeah but what if the prelude had all those mods" it still lost. and one day it might have all those mods but it doesn't. and more power to him for beating that v8 monster. with a little 4 cyl

of course a turbo C5 would eat anything for lunch.......what's that have to do with anything........the C5 wasn't turbo and he was talking mad junk.....he lost to a civic.....he doesn't talk junk anymore

Wow another mod this and mod that arguement. Aside from that, there isn't a lot to do with that Civic to gain torque. I doubt you are going to have the money to swap out the engine if you just bought the car (I dont remeber if you said it was new), that might invalidate any warrenty you have.

Putting on a turbo is the only practicle method you have of adding any significant torque to the car. The simple bolt ons will help it get some HP but it wont help on the low side.

Originally posted by SCStreetRacer
of course a turbo C5 would eat anything for lunch.......what's that have to do with anything........the C5 wasn't turbo and he was talking mad junk.....he lost to a civic.....he doesn't talk junk anymore

dude owning a z28 you should know what that has to do with something.

lol, anyone with a turbo ever challenged ur car when you only have i/h/e, its a bit unfair, i raced a turbo gsr and needless to say i was left by some car lengths, it does matter that the corvette wasnt turbo charged, cause as much money as it took to make that 4 cyl run lower then 13's(thats wat new z06 runs) you could have spent half that on the corvette and done tramendously bettter, but on a car like a corvette doing anything like that would depreciate the value a lot. Dont say it would my uncle ownz a viper thatz pushing 650hp and if he took it to a dealer he'd be lucky to get 30k, and its a 98... 4 cyl can be made to rival vipers and so on, stock vipers yes they can, but slap that 100 shot on the viper like that civic has and its a whole new ballgame.. You cant compare a 10 litre engine to a 1.6 unless you have 25k to drop on the 4 cyl...

First of all to swap in, prep ad turbo my b16a, I am only planning on spending around $7,000, My total project should cost around $12,000, and if I do everything right and get my car tuned to accept the turbo as if it was meant to be there I will be running better 1/4 mile times than most of the common american muscle cars.. corvette, mustang, camaro etc... maybe not the viper with a 100 shot tho :flash: The point is the local motorshop built a CRX with $10,000 and its best run has been a 10.5.. even a used 1991 corvette costs how much? $14,000... so lets see you get a used honda do the right mods and get it to run 1/4 times that fast... Or you buy a corvette of the same year and spend another six grand to get it to run even close to the time that crx did for twice as much.. Decisions, Decisions.. The guy at my school with a 1994 corvette that he drag races.. He has replaced the block with one that produces more torque and top end horsepower and spent $10,000 after buying the car for $23,000 to get it to run a 11.4......

Originally posted by ric


dude owning a z28 you should know what that has to do with something.

yes your right.....a 350 chevy V8 that was turbo charged would be absolutely crazy ridiculous fast, it wouldn't even be able to keep tires on it.....i have trouble and mines pretty lightly modded.....but i think it's hilarious that he didn't have a turbo and the civic raped him

Originally posted by SmoovSol
lol, anyone with a turbo ever challenged ur car when you only have i/h/e, its a bit unfair, i raced a turbo gsr and needless to say i was left by some car lengths, it does matter that the corvette wasnt turbo charged, cause as much money as it took to make that 4 cyl run lower then 13's(thats wat new z06 runs) you could have spent half that on the corvette and done tramendously bettter, but on a car like a corvette doing anything like that would depreciate the value a lot. Dont say it would my uncle ownz a viper thatz pushing 650hp and if he took it to a dealer he'd be lucky to get 30k, and its a 98... 4 cyl can be made to rival vipers and so on, stock vipers yes they can, but slap that 100 shot on the viper like that civic has and its a whole new ballgame.. You cant compare a 10 litre engine to a 1.6 unless you have 25k to drop on the 4 cyl...


Well Well......let's totally forget the cost of buying the car :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SCStreetRacer


yes your right.....a 350 chevy V8 that was turbo charged would be absolutely crazy ridiculous fast, it wouldn't even be able to keep tires on it.....i have trouble and mines pretty lightly modded.....but i think it's hilarious that he didn't have a turbo and the civic raped him

oh no doubt props given, but all things being the same it woudlnt be pretty........

I hate it when people start with "if the other car had the same thing then it would beat it". Yeah it would, but it doesn't, so it can't. When a car has two times the cylinders that you do you need some kind of something right?

Anyway, it WAS a good kill for the civic. A kill is a kill! I'm tired of hearing if he had this and if he had that. Blah, blah, blah, it wouldn't be a race if both cars were the same. Then you hear, well, if both drivers are equally skilled. Just shup up and race!

Exactly!!! Great point nem :flash: and :flipa: to all u haters

Yea! if a Civic had what a viper had, then the civic would beat it! BLA! STOP SAYING THAT!!!!! ITS COMMON SENCE IF A CIVIC BEATS A VETTE, THAN A CIVIC BEAT THE VETTE. THERES NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT! YOU COULD GO ON FOREVER...IF A VETTE HAD THE SAME MODS AS A CIVIC, THEN THE VETTE WOULD WIN!!! OK WELL IF THE CIVIC HAD THE SAME SPECS AS A VETTE THE CIVIC WOULD WIN!! WELL IF THE VETTE HAD A SUPER DUPER TURBO DELUX THE VETTE WOULD WIN, WELL IF A CIVIC HAD THE SUPER DUPER EXELLENT DELUX TURBO THE CIVIC WOULD WIN!!! WANT ME TO GO ON!!!! SHUT UP ABOUT THE IF THIS AND IF THAT....ITS HOW IT IS AND THATS THAT!!!!!!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA

My point exactly. A race is a race. There are no ties, a Winner :D and a Loser:( Sorry folks, but that's the way it is!

Originally posted by colechaney
I hate it when people start with "if the other car had the same thing then it would beat it". Yeah it would, but it doesn't, so it can't. When a car has two times the cylinders that you do you need some kind of something right?

sorry. its been said a million times and it's true, there is no replacement for displacement. you can turbo charge, make all your upgrades to a 2.0 I4, but the larger displacement engines can do the exact same thing. I'm not saying one would win either way, the civic won no contesting that, but theres no replacement for displacement. And YES it has been done. In fact ford has done this very thing:

the new mustang is a 4.7 l V8 supercharged, puts about 350 at the wheels tuned down. 5.0 magazine replaced it's air filter with a less restrictive one and gained 25rwhp. It also has DOHC and 4 valves per cylinder

the new GT40 will use a 5.4 l supercharged V8, DOHC, 4 valves per cyc, and puts out 500hp. And heres the kicker: it uses the same block as the lightning and when tuners have swapped the supercharger on the lightning for a quick-spooling turbo, they instantly gained 100hp, but given that the gt40's engine is larger displacement and already putting out more horses, the gains should be awesome.

I am in no way bashing civics, but there is no replacement for displacement it's as simple as that, and now V8s are catching the wave of technology, they've ditched the pushrods and put in DOHC's and quad cyc valves and now they're dipping into forced induction.

oh yeah and i forgot to mention, both have lightweight aluminum blocks and heads