took out an E36 M3 in the Maxima

i was cruisin around with a buddy of mine last night and just happened to catch a light with a silver 98 5 speed M3. it's a 3 lane highway and i was in the far left lane and he was in the far right with the middle lane seperating us. at first i didn't know if he was gonna run so i just took off kinda fast at the light and he did the same, not a real race yet just kinda letting each other know that we're willing and leaving slower traffic behind. so we're cruisin along pretty quick just waiting to catch a light and we finally come up on one that's yellow, so we stop get ready to go at it. i reved up to about 1800 rpm and, despite a pretty good launch on my part, the M3 jumped ahead and put me at his 1/4 panel off the launch. through first gear he kept me there but after i went into second i started gaining on him for the first few thousand rpm's, as we neared the top of 2nd neither one of us was gaining any significant ground. into third i began to pull a little again and then we came up on another light. he looked over at me and was nodding his head, so i just nodded back and pointed ahead to say "rematch".

this light we were at now led to a decent stretch of open 3 lane goodness, no stop lights and there's nowhere for cops to sit. so we get ready to go again. this time off the launch we're neck and neck, into second, same result, i pull away from him a little down low and keep that ground, he doesn't gain it back. Into third i pulled a little more and pull to just less than a full car lenght ahead but as we neared the top of third he started coming up on me and was at my rear door as i went into 4th gear. through 4th we just stayed pretty much where we were with me about a 3/4 a car length ahead at like 125-130 mph as we approached another yellow light light. the turn i had to take was coming up so i had to get into the lane that the m3 was in, so i pull into the middle lane next to him and he starts to roll his window down. i put mine down and i realize it's a kid that i had known from a few years back an hadn't seen in a while, so we go through a quick " hey, how've ya been" kinda a thing and he says he wants to go again. i told him i couldn't, that i was gonna get off at the next right. so he tells me "good race", i tell him the same and we part.


then today, to my surprise, as i was getting ready to take the bike to school i see a silver BMW pull up in front of my house and it was him. he was telling me that he was pissed off all night after that and that he had no idea that the maxima's were that quick. he said that he wants a rematch, so hopefully i'll have a part II to post some time in the future.

Indeed a nice kill. I'm with him....I didn't know the Maxima could hold its own with a M3. Well done.

YAY!! Makes me proud to be a Nissan owner. Although I love Maximas, the one thing I don't like about your model is the rear end, something about the tailights just turns me off. But good job against the ///M3, thats some good work. :thumbsup:

Yeah, nice kill. 2 of my friends have Maxes with I/E, and I still would have thought the m3 would take them. Nice races.

Nice kill. Im thinking it must have been an Auto though because the E36 M3 runs low 14s, but I guess that depends on the driver too. Good kill either way. I bet you he was like WTF when you passed him, and then went home and ordered a load of dinan parts :lol:

Nice kill on the Bavarian. I think your buddy needs to give AA or RMS a call so he doesnt have to worry about any more pesky Maximas. ;)

Nice kill. Im thinking it must have been an Auto though because the E36 M3 runs low 14s, but I guess that depends on the driver too. Good kill either way. I bet you he was like WTF when you passed him, and then went home and ordered a load of dinan parts :lol:

The 2k2 and 2k3 Maximas have a 255-HP VQ35 motor in them, and are not much heavier than an M3, especially the 3.2-liter M3s.

The 2k2 and 2k3 Maximas have a 255-HP VQ35 motor in them, and are not much heavier than an M3, especially the 3.2-liter M3s.


Fine but show me a stock 2k2 or 2k3 that runs low 14s stock?


Edit: A kid at my school has a stick 2k2 and wants to run me. The kid is an idiot though. I mean I respect the Max but hes telling me how he killed a FD on the highway the other day and he will kill my car from a stop. Then he trys to tell me FWD is better for drag racing:screwy: I know his cars stock other then tires so as soon as I get Adriana registered im going to run him for $50. Now my car "can" run a low 14sec 1/4 stock so I guess I will get to see how quick the Max really is.

Fine but show me a stock 2k2 or 2k3 that runs low 14s stock?


http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-Maxima-Timeslip-2276.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-Maxima-Timeslip-4340.html

And BP's Max isn't exactly stock. It's been proven by my own Nissan before that a timing-advance is an effective mod.

thanks carrrnutt. i was hesitant to post this kill cuz i knew there'd be doubters. wasn't your SE-R running with 5.0's after the timing advance? i'm at 17 degrees BTDC(base timing is 15) and run 93 octane, it's gotta give me a little extra something. and it's not like i put 3-4 cars on the M, i only beat him by less than a full car length, i mean, we make similar power, and weigh almost the same.

and D12 racer like i said in the first post in was a 5 speed 98 M3.

thanks carrrnutt. i was hesitant to post this kill cuz i knew there'd be doubters. wasn't your SE-R running with 5.0's after the timing advance?

I was even with 90redgt's 5.0 from a highway roll (when it was still a 5.0), when it had these:

-BBK equal length headers/H-pipe w/cats
-Flowmaster 50 series
-Edelbrock Intake
-3.73 gears
-BBK 65mm T-body
-K&N


...and I had this:

-Ignition timing advance
-Generic cone filter

From a stop, he had my by 1 to 2 cars, due to his better launch capability (and not to mention huge TQ advantage).

i can and always will vouch for the max, i was very skeptical until i raced one and only put 1 or 2 cars on it from ~30 - ~130

thanks carrrnutt. i was hesitant to post this kill cuz i knew there'd be doubters. wasn't your SE-R running with 5.0's after the timing advance? i'm at 17 degrees BTDC(base timing is 15) and run 93 octane, it's gotta give me a little extra something. and it's not like i put 3-4 cars on the M, i only beat him by less than a full car length, i mean, we make similar power, and weigh almost the same.

and D12 racer like i said in the first post in was a 5 speed 98 M3.

I doubt you.....but the only reason why Im not going to say anything is because you ride a kawi so its all good.....lol....j/k.....good kill...at those speeds m3 are pretty damn quick.....really good highway cars...

damn nice kill i have a 97 m3 5sp heavily modified im still in shock that u an m3 the kid must be a horrible driver or its an automatic but still nice kill we should race sometime than ill show u how an m3 really runs!!!!!!!!

man, i get kinda sick of posting a kill and hearing that the other person's gotta be a bad driver. the last 3 kills i posted someone attributes the win to the other guy not knowing how to drive. i make more hp, more tq, and weigh almost the same as the M3 and we both have a standard tranny. I don't know what it is about bimmers that make people think they're unbeatable. it's a car, just like any other.

People just can't stomach a nissan sedan beating BMW's uber l337 M powered car. You beat him by less than a full car, sounds like a decent driver to me. If he was horrible he'd short shift every gear or not even downshift and you would've left him way back, whats not believable about 3/4 of a car. I've driven or ridden in all of the Maximas except the current gen, and they are nothing to look down on. Again, good race :bigthumb:

man, i get kinda sick of posting a kill and hearing that the other person's gotta be a bad driver. the last 3 kills i posted someone attributes the win to the other guy not knowing how to drive. i make more hp, more tq, and weigh almost the same as the M3 and we both have a standard tranny. I don't know what it is about bimmers that make people think they're unbeatable. it's a car, just like any other.


Well for one I thought your car was just stock (I would consider a timeing advance a mod) And come on its not every day you here of a Max cutting a low 14. Infact this was the first I had heard of a "Stock" Max running low 14s. Most you see are running high 14s-low 15s. Where as low 14s are the norm for the M3. So you can see where Im coming from no? I love the M3 but I know its not god.

And come on its not every day you here of a Max cutting a low 14. Infact this was the first I had heard of a "Stock" Max running low 14s. Most you see are running high 14s-low 15s. Where as low 14s are the norm for the M3. So you can see where Im coming from no? I love the M3 but I know its not god.

What are you basing all these on? :screwy:

In 1999, the M3 was timed by Car and Driver to a best of 14.6. In 2002, a Nissan Maxima SE 6-spd was timed by the same magazine at 14.7.

It goes to logic that both cars will have the same potential for E.T. improvement, no?

Maybe you needed to browse other forums besides the BMW ones?

What are you basing all these on? :screwy:

In 1999, the M3 was timed by Car and Driver to a best of 14.6. In 2002, a Nissan Maxima SE 6-spd was timed by the same magazine at 14.7.

It goes to logic that both cars will have the same potential for E.T. improvement, no?

Maybe you needed to browse other forums besides the BMW ones?

What you don’t consider 14.7 high 14s? I’m not going to mag race though because their are too many variables to consider track conditions, different, driver, weather etc. but just consider the stats. The cars are almost identical except the BMW probably has better gearing (I say probably because I don’t know the gearing on the Max) and the BMW is RWD. So all I am saying is if the Max can run high 14s the E36 M3 should be in the low 14s because of being able to launch harder. And most E36 M3 drivers do. Like I said though I don’t think I was being harsh to BP2K2Max at all. I didn’t know advanced timing helped these cars out a lot so I assumed he would run close to stock IN WHICH CASE an M3 SHOULD beat him. However did I say I don’t believe him? The cars are close enough that it’s a driver’s race with the M3 driver having a bit of an edge from a dig. So him wining is not a surprise at all.


Anyways I never professed to be a know it all. Like I said I had never seen a stock max run low 14s:dunno: I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear that. Also I didn’t mean my comment as a diss. To me beating a car faster than you is better than beating one you should. I thought I was giving him props?



And damn it Carrrnuttt! Why do you always have to rain on MY parade? Bastard:icon16:

hey racer, i didn't take any offense to anything you said i was just generalising about some of the responses i get, and it's not just AF, i have buddies i've told about the race that are like "oh he must not know how to drive" etc., i'm not trying to single anyone out, just trying to get my point/story across.


and just for a final input on my part i thought i'd post this:

i found a dyno chart of a stock 99 M3 5 speed and one of a 3.5 maxima(pay attention to the pink and light blue lines only on the maxima dyno). both dyno's are sae corrected and are done on a 248c dyno.


http://raptor.nauticaltech.com/~jworms/m3/in.car.times.and.dyno/dyno/04.21.2005.stock.dyno/chart_small.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BP2k2Max/70VQ30DE-KvsVQ35DE.gif


look at 2,000 rpm , my car and the M3 make the same whp almost, then look at 3,000 rpm, my car is making 120 hp at the wheels, where the M3 is making 100, at 4K power's about the same, then at 5,000 rpm the maxima's putting down about 10-15 more whp, and at 6,000rpm where the M3's power starts to fall back down to 175 whp my car continues to make power and is putting down as much as 25 more whp by redline. look at every 1,000 rpm and you'll see that the 3.5 puts down considerably more whp until the higher rpms where it starts to even out, which would account for the why the M3 began to regain ground on me at the end of each gear.


the same goes for how much tq is being put to the wheels across the board. again at 2,000 rpm my car puts out a whole 200 ft-lbs of tq to the ground and it stays making that power, it doesn't dip back below 220 lbs of tq until almost 5500 rpm which is nearing redline, the M3 doesn't even make 200 ft lbs of tq at the wheels until almost 4,000 rpm and that's it's peak tq wheras the Max peaks at about 220 and it makes that power a good deal earlier.

the M3 has an edge being RWD but that's not necissarily enough to overcome the power difference.

What you don’t consider 14.7 high 14s?

What? You consider 14.6 low 14's? :wink:

I’m not going to mag race though because their are too many variables to consider track conditions, different, driver, weather etc. but just consider the stats. The cars are almost identical except the BMW probably has better gearing (I say probably because I don’t know the gearing on the Max) and the BMW is RWD. So all I am saying is if the Max can run high 14s the E36 M3 should be in the low 14s because of being able to launch harder. And most E36 M3 drivers do. Like I said though I don’t think I was being harsh to BP2K2Max at all. I didn’t know advanced timing helped these cars out a lot so I assumed he would run close to stock IN WHICH CASE an M3 SHOULD beat him. However did I say I don’t believe him? The cars are close enough that it’s a driver’s race with the M3 driver having a bit of an edge from a dig. So him wining is not a surprise at all.


Anyways I never professed to be a know it all. Like I said I had never seen a stock max run low 14s:dunno: I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear that. Also I didn’t mean my comment as a diss. To me beating a car faster than you is better than beating one you should. I thought I was giving him props?

You do realize that 2000 to 2001 (VQ30DE - 222HP) Maximas look almost exactly alike as their 2002-2003 (VQ35DE - 255) counterparts?

What you should say is you have never seen a stock 2002-2003 Maxima run.

And damn it Carrrnuttt! Why do you always have to rain on MY parade? Bastard:icon16:

It's what I do everyone. :smooch: I'm an equal opportunity bastard. :sunglasse

Also, here's a quote of a post I made in a bimmerforums.com thread about an E36 M3 vs an Altima SE-R a while ago. Note that the comparison is between a regular Altima V6, and an S50 M3.

Not really a Nissan guy currently, but:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-Altima-Timeslip-3240.html (http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-Altima-Timeslip-3240.html)
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M3-Timeslip-873.html (http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M3-Timeslip-873.html)

^ For the specific year/model represented:

Curb weight:
Altima - 3106lbs
M3 - 3175

Wheel HP:
Altima - 193
M3 - 195

Wheel TQ:
Altima - 206
M3 - 194

Coefficient of drag:
Altima - .32
M3 - .32

Tranny:
Altima:
First - 3.153
Second - 1.842
Third - 1.258
Fourth - 1.258
Fifth - 1.258
Final Drive Axle Ratio - 3.812

M3:
First - 4.21
Second - 2.49
Third - 1.66
Fourth - 1.24
Fifth - 1.00
Final Drive Axle Ratio - 3.23

The M's gear ratios are more aggressive - but the Alltima's lower final drive makes up for it.

Besides the RWD advantage during launch, where is the advantage elswhere?

I don't know where the "much faster than an M3" comment will come from, but I'm just trying to keep perspective here - as some of you overrate your cars, and underrate others considerably.

Go post this at bimmerforums. I bet quite a few of those "bmw street racers" will get their panties wet and the thread will eventually get locked because the BMW didn't win. :grinyes:

[QUOTE=carrrnuttt]You do realize that 2000 to 2001 (VQ30DE - 222HP) Maximas look almost exactly alike as their 2002-2003 (VQ35DE - 255) counterparts?

What you should say is you have never seen a stock 2002-2003 Maxima run.
QUOTE]

Hmm thats probably it. Are the 2k2 and the 2k3 the fastest Max's? Just wondering. And how can you tell the difference between them? After reading this thread im kind of wondering which one the kid at my school has. Might be a little closer race than I first thought.

man, i get kinda sick of posting a kill and hearing that the other person's gotta be a bad driver.

I've seen with my own eyes E36 M3s cutting low 14s, and by that I mean stock E36 M3s hitting 14.3s and 14.2s. Seen one hit a 14.1, and have heard about 14.0s and 13.9s. I'm not gonna say he sucked at driving, but he probably wasn't one of these guys either. Good kill though.

Oh, and Racerd12...if his Max, which I'm assuming is stock, "took out an FD from a roll..." then I can all but garuntee you'll whup him.

Hmm thats probably it. Are the 2k2 and the 2k3 the fastest Max's? Just wondering.

the new maxima's (04+) make 10 more hp but they weigh 300 lbs more. so the added power is kind of negated by the weight. some argue that my gen maxima's the fastest some argue the new ones are.


And how can you tell the difference between them?
My 2k2 SE
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BP2k2Max/P1000346.jpg
My dad's 2k GLE
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/93341P1000412_2_-med.JPG

you can tell the difference cuz the 2k2-3's have the HID's, the silver front grill and the bigger nissan Emblem. Also mine has 17" OEM rims and the 2k-2k1's come with 16's.

and the back's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BP2k2Max/P1000348.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/501/93341P1000411_2_-med.JPG

the only difference out back is that mine has the euro tails the 2K-2k1's can have either flat red like my dad's or a carbon fiber style.