cruise control / throttle problem, URGENT HELP NEEDED

so since my cruise never worked I was just taking it out for weight reduction purposes... unbolted it all, unplugged the electrical connector, and went to unplug the cable. Now keep in mind my car has 2 separate throttle cables, one for the pedal and one for the cruise. After fighting with it for about 45 min I decided F it I'll just cut the cable... cut through the insularion with wire cutters, then cut through the outer wires with a huge pair of sheers... well actually I was cutting and the pulled on it, heard some cracks and felt a bunch of slack. I look and see that I pulled it off of all the plastic clip that hold the cable from the module to the firewall (clips holding it onto the master cylinder and holding it right over the TB remained intact). I pulled the cable at the module and the outer wires popped out. Went with the sheers and tried cutting through the inner insulation and wires, didnt get anywhere, maybe cut 2 or 3 wires in the whole bundle.


I then decided to start the car to make sure everythings fine... and now it's acting like the throttle is stuck open. Revving to 4k smacking the limiter and keeps trying to rev. I put it in neutral, same thing. Naturally and logically I did not put it in drive or reverse. Plugged in the electrical conector, same thing.


So now my question is WTF?!?!?!?! Is is possible I broke something like the throttle position sensor or something else? Was the tightness in the line necessary to keep the throttle closed, and now that there's slack it flys open? I'm completely clueless here and need to fix this problem ASAP. PLEASE help... respond here, or IM me on AIM at MoPMoonchild... thanks...

Why would you take the cable off to save weight? Why would you even take out the cruise control anything to save weight? A few pounds ain't gonna make a difference in a 3200 pound car. My guess is that you F-ed up the throttle position sensor, the throttle should be held closed with a spring so I doubt that is the problem. Other than that I dunno, all I have to say is that it's stupid to try to save weight like that and cutting shit is almost always a bad idea.

also, even only running for a few seconds, it smells REALLY freakin rich... It's not jsut the cable its the about 10 lb unit I'm taking out... and what I do with my car is my decision, I think it's stupid for you to have an intake and exhaust on a 3.4, it's not gonna make a difference, it's still slow, it's stupid to waste that money.

Well, that is your opinion and I expressed mine. I just think it's funny that the mods that I have done have actually helped my car, and your "mod" of reducing the weight just fucked yours up! HAHA, take out the spare tire too that will help.

have fun running 16's all day

have fun running 16's all day

I have to agree that was some dumb shit, and don't tell me your bragging about running high 14"s come on. I would rather get a CAi & exhaust than try and remove ten pounds, well buddy i guess your going to learn the hard way.

I have never run my car, I don't care how long it takes for me to drive from here to there. Gold jacket green jacket, who gives a shit? Yeah, maybe my car is a little slower than yours, but I have never run into the back of someone else...and like there is a big difference between 16's and 14.98057894578437894037845378957348901578 @ a whopping 92 MPH. Get a life and try not to give anymore stupid advice like you have in other threads recently.

I have never run my car, I don't care how long it takes for me to drive from here to there. Gold jacket green jacket, who gives a shit? Yeah, maybe my car is a little slower than yours, but I have never run into the back of someone else...and like there is a big difference between 16's and 14.98057894578437894037845378957348901578 @ a whopping 92 MPH. Get a life and try not to give anymore stupid advice like you have in other threads recently.

:iagree:

And exactly what stupid advise are you referring to?? Putting power steering fluid in the differential sure is some golden advise right there..... Go read a book fucktard

take a chill pill, or i'll call the keebler elfs.

I don't think the TPS on those are adjustabel are they? Are you sure the TPS connector is seated right?

All the cables I've seen just push forward off a stud. Or have a little clip ring.

No he said, and you agreed, that I give stupid advice... so please tell me exactly what stupid advice you two are referrign to.

I don't think the TPS on those are adjustabel are they? Are you sure the TPS connector is seated right?

All the cables I've seen just push forward off a stud. Or have a little clip ring.

The cable is on a clip ring... i was trying to disconnect it at the module tho. Not sure if it's adjustable or not.


Thanks for actually helping out.

I and like there is a big difference between 16's and 14.98057894578437894037845378957348901578 @ a whopping 92 MPH.


I guess 10 car lengths or so isn't a big difference... okay

The advice about WarriorBC's car not cranking. "I think it's the fuel pump, orit could be the VATS, but I really think it's the fuel pump" YOU ARE A MORON it's not the damn fuel pump you're stupid. I was kidding about the power steering fluid obviously dumbass. And don't tell me to go read a book, at least I have the brains not to cut a friggin' throttle cable out of my car you genious...

I guess 10 car lengths or so isn't a big difference... okay

Didn't I just get through saying I haven't run my car? Do I have to repeat myself so you'll get the point? I guess someone shoulda said this twice: Don't cut throttle cables to try to make your car lighter, granted it'll make your car run 14.979 @ 91.9 MPH but it might screw something up...

I guess 10 car lengths or so isn't a big difference... okay

I'd bet i'll put 20 on you.

okay, so did you disconnect the PCM connector for the cruise control? I doublt this, but my first instinct was that for some reason, running the motor with the circuit open caused it? i doubt that tho.

Sure you didn't just knock a vacuum line off?

Well, I gotta go to work, I wish you the best of luck on your weight reductions.

whats up with all of the fuckin hostility.

read my damn post, it's the cruise control to throttle cable, the gas pedal to throttle cable is completely sepatate.

Read the OTHER post too, first off he said it makes no sound at all and if you know half of how much you talk you'd know that fuel pumps going are a VERY, VERY common occurance on 4th gens. When truning the key you hear the pump hum as it primes... if theres NO SOUND then that cant happen.

Then read again... because I re-read his post, and said "oh chekc the fuel pump anyway but it sounds more liek vats"


sorry, I shouldn't have told you to read a book, you are obviously either too illiterate or too stupid to.

whats up with all of the fuckin hostility.

I think it's that time of the month:evillol:

well then maybe you should change your tampon. Im talking about all 3 of you.

I'm gonna take a look at a reference here for a second and get back at ya Kasey, let things cool off around here.

The hostility is due to me asking for help and morons coming in doing jsut the opposite.

Blazing you probably would put 20 on me, I'm not denying that or saying my car is fast, I was saying that in responce to dumbass saying theres little diufference between 16s and high 14s.

Wright, I disconnected the electrical connector that's on the cruise control module, then plugged it back in after this happened and its stil ldoing it

I'm gonna take a look at a reference here for a second and get back at ya Kasey, let things cool off around here.

thanks... just tried looking into the TB to see if ithe blades are stuck open, but i cant see in... angled throttle body and a MAF screen makes it to that id have to pull the radiator and stick my head there to see

well, you don't have to physically see if there open by looking in it, what is the position of bracket that the cables attach to? if you can twist it opens and snaps shut (which it should anyway) then they are closed; There is a spring around the base of the bracket for that purpose.

yea they close fine... however a guy on another board pointed out:


well what i'm saying is that you probably have a mechanical problem over an electrical one, there is no way the TPS could influence the opening of a mechanical throttle blade.

I don't see why everyone is bitching about removing something not being used in your car..... It's actually rather dumb to have things in your engine bay that aren't being used unless you plan to use it in the future. Now KC, a picture would be nice of what you actually messed with... I'm not too sure how the 3.8's are compared to the 5.7s.

WRIGHT YOU ARE THE MAN!

I just went out and puleld the throttle PEDAL cable at the TB, it snapped back but on a hunch I went to see if I could push it close any more... I did and it worked.

there is no way the TPS could influence the opening of a mechanical throttle blade.

not the TPS alone, but the TPS ref. signal if it's out of ahwck and saying that the throttle blades are at WOT which would be like 4.5V out of the 5 V ref signal used, the PCM will command more fuel, hence why it's rich.

Have you tried just disconnecting the battery?

Is the cruise control vacuum operated? I'm kinda at a loss with Cuda. And as pointed out, my 3.8 Buick is a little different than yours.

Okay, we got half the problem, huh?

The hostility is due to me asking for help and morons coming in doing jsut the opposite.

Blazing you probably would put 20 on me, I'm not denying that or saying my car is fast, I was saying that in responce to dumbass saying theres little diufference between 16s and high 14s.

Wright, I disconnected the electrical connector that's on the cruise control module, then plugged it back in after this happened and its stil ldoing it

Hey sorry for giving u shit. glad to hear you fixed your problem. It's just that i few threads i posted u always came out sarcastic/ asshole, so i decided to give u some shit but it's cool .

ok, it's still sticking... if i hti the throttle it returns to 2k RPMs instead of 900-1k, if I push down on the rotating part it'll return... I think it's the rotating part (the throttle cable pulls a rotating piece which I assume in turn opens the throttle blades) that's sticking... how do i clean it??

Throttle body cleaner. Someone made a mention that regular carburator cleaner eats the the finish off the blades and the debris causes it to sieze up.

Hey sorry for giving u shit. glad to hear you fixed your problem. It's just that i few threads i posted u always came out sarcastic/ asshole, so i decided to give u some shit but it's cool .


Sorry botu that, probably just to new joisey in me :grinno: we're sarcastic assholes here so that fits. Sorry.... we cool, we cool

The hostility is due to me asking for help and morons coming in doing jsut the opposite.

Guys... he did ask for HELP not criticism. If you ain't got nothing nice to say.. then
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Christ... as far as I'm concerned if the fucking thing don't work, and you don't want to fix it, 86 it.

Sorry I can't help Kasey.

Thanks Jim

heh... so, plugging the IAT back in brought it back to 1500... oops! other than that its still stickign a little, and I soaked the coil with PB blaster too...

is there another spring wrapped around the base of the cable (the cruise control one) at the cruise solenoid?

no, not that I can see... plus the CC cable is totally slack.

alright, highjacked pc at home, kasey, feel special because i'm normally only active at work.

i think you may need to go old school on this and put a additional return spring on the throttle blade lever to bring the blades back a normal parked, idle position. it's been eating away at the back of my head. my 3.8 buick has a tension spring off of the vacuum cruise solenoid probably for that feature.

but anyway an additional return spring would probably cure the blades not closing correctly, actually most definately. the only problem, as mentioned it's old school, so i don't really presume how a obd II would pick up on it, you know if it will throw any sensors off or what not.

Ok, I am late on this one but to anyone looking to post a attack for something they disagree with that someone wants to do in the name of performance or whatever. Say your peace then drop it. I don't have time to read every thread as anyone who knows me or has read my recent posts. I am extremely busy so when threads like this come to my attention I am going to being dealing with them more strickly than normal. I have heard people tell me personally your going to fuck up your car by removing, egr, air pump, cat , and so on and so on that were not being used. You know what my car was fine and it increased performance either threw weight reduction or less restriction or whatever. So while everyone may not agree with every mod, its not your car.

Ok, I am late on this one but to anyone looking to post a attack for something they disagree with that someone wants to do in the name of performance or whatever. Say your peace then drop it. I don't have time to read every thread as anyone who knows me or has read my recent posts. I am extremely busy so when threads like this come to my attention I am going to being dealing with them more strickly than normal. I have heard people tell me personally your going to fuck up your car by removing, egr, air pump, cat , and so on and so on that were not being used. You know what my car was fine and it increased performance either threw weight reduction or less restriction or whatever. So while everyone may not agree with every mod, its not your car.
Thank you john, i was going to say something in here but it got to big and i did not want to start a fight. And this thread got huge quick!!

You know what my car was fine and it increased performance either threw weight reduction or less restriction or whatever.

??? Didn't follow that.

I was saying that if he wants to remove it , its his opinion and using my own experience with egr's, cat's and air pumps. You always have those people that are diehard stock people that say fix like it was or it will drive like shit but thats not always the case. I can't think of any of the parts I removed cause I didn't feel they needed to be there and it caused a negative effect. Ofcourse there are limits but most accessorys/options or Emissions equipment can be removed and reprogrammed for if its incorporated into the PCM.

Look, I wasn't trying to start a fight... I was just saying that one little cable don't hurt anything being there. Whether the cruise works or not, whether anypart of the cruise system is in the car or not. If I wanted something like that out of my car and I couldn't get it out without cutting it, I would just leave it at least until some other opportuinity presented itself. But thanks for calling me a fucktard that gave me a good laugh...

Thanks guys, well after letting it sit for a while after soaking it with PB blaster, and after removing the CC cable from the throttle body, it was fine... closes all the way on its own now.

Lemm think up a quick list of stuff i've removed...

back seat and seatbelts
pass. airbag and airbag module
10-15 lb tranny mounted exhaust hanger
cat
air conditioning (everything except for the big black firewall-mounted box and wiring... and YES, that is only for A/C and does not affect the heat on 4th gens... that will be removed once I can make up a blockoff plate for the firewall)
front sway bar and brackets
cruise control
MANY miscellaneous bolts and screws :D

track only:
pass. seat
spare and jack



All of that's out and it's fine... camarosrsweet you just gotta loosen up and have more fun with your car man, haha.

oh and also I went from the stok 2 piece drivewshaft to the current aluminum... this one is 10 lbs the stocker was 20 something, close to 30 maybe even just above 30, dont remember offhand

I'd still put the back up spring on there just in case, what would it hurt :dunno:

The driveshaft I completely understand I was even thinking about changing mine, but couldn't find one priced reasonably. And it isn't that I don't have fun with my car, I just don't like the idea of following in the ricers footsteps of taking stuff out to try to make their 4 cyl faster. I get it though, you are looking to go fast in a straight line and that is what you want, I want the thrill of cruising down a country road through corners and pushing my car through them.

The driveshaft I completely understand I was even thinking about changing mine, but couldn't find one priced reasonably. And it isn't that I don't have fun with my car, I just don't like the idea of following in the ricers footsteps of taking stuff out to try to make their 4 cyl faster. I get it though, you are looking to go fast in a straight line and that is what you want, I want the thrill of cruising down a country road through corners and pushing my car through them.

Well......

Camaro's are not necessarily know for being "nimble". :grinno: As a matter of fact, I had always heard that Camaro's flat out SUCK for performance handling and that's why you see so many upgrade kits for suspension and steering components. :grinyes: The design is excellent at the strip though and that's why so many of them are made into 1/4 mile cars.

Any weight reduction would help out handling and well as lighten the load for straight line races. I would NEVER trust my maro running on a country road... I'm not putting ANY faith in throwing 3000 pounds into a corner and not sliding off the damned road. :eek: lol, Especially with them skinnies up front. :shakehead If I could shave (or more bluntly... CARVE) 500 pounds or so off her, then I'd feel a little more comfortable doing it, but until then.... Blast through the straight-a-ways, nice and relaxed in the corners :iceslolan .

How is weight reduction a ricer thing... look back to the 60's, buddy...

Hmmm..... If I lose weight via drastic measures does that make ME rice??? :uhoh:
Like if I gave up cheesesteaks and ate rice (perish the bastard thought) to lose 40 pounds when I only need to lose 15 (at least that's what I'm saying).

OR - what if you let some little skinny guy drive your car??? Does that make HIM rice??? :icon16:

I'll shut up now. :smooch:

haha,that's kinda like the monkey in the trunk commercials, keep some little skinnyfuck in the trunk just ofr racing.:lol:

Wright - mayb,e I'll get a pic of my assembly to so you knwo what im looking at... its not a conventional spring and not visible per se. And that runkmonkey commercials are funny as HELL!!!

Jim - Actually look up Sam Strano's LS1 Z28... wins many many autocross events

Interesting....