How to improve rolling Launch

Hey all;
We all know our cars weigh a ton and that rolling races kinda suck. SO my question is, how do we get the cars to take off better while rolling? Say I'm in 3rd gear at 3K rpm... how can I get more speed out of it? I figure some nice mid-range cams would work wonders. Weight reduction is also an option... but how much? Would a larger TB help more? I'm hoping when I tune my car (hopefully this week), I'll get some better pickup then. We'll see with that though. So what else can we do? And remember, turbo is not an option. Thanks all!

You could always boost it:wink:J/K. Ever think about spraying it?

Hey all;
We all know our cars weigh a ton and that rolling races kinda suck. SO my question is, how do we get the cars to take off better while rolling? Say I'm in 3rd gear at 3K rpm... how can I get more speed out of it? I figure some nice mid-range cams would work wonders. Weight reduction is also an option... but how much? Would a larger TB help more? I'm hoping when I tune my car (hopefully this week), I'll get some better pickup then. We'll see with that though. So what else can we do? And remember, turbo is not an option. Thanks all!


umm....GS-T's and GSX's are sick on the highway. I dont know why you would think otherwise. If you want decent speed, there is no other option besides a turbo or spray. A tune won't help either, air/fuel isn't far from stock.

downshift? what kinda person races from a roll at 3000 rpms?

lol *smart ass*

downshift? what kinda person races from a roll at 3000 rpms?

:werd:

but he does have a point... wouldnt you want to be somewhere above 4500 RPM minimum for a race? you need to be making decient power...

Yeah. The one thing I hate the most is downshifting to second. It feels so wrong when doing it, like the gear ratio is just so different or something. I just don't like doing that.

No spraying. I will never do that to a car.

There's got to be something that can be done to help in the lower rpm range. A larger TB won't work? Aren't full cold air intakes supposed to give some better power in the lower power band?

maybe 2-3 hp

I know it adds HP, but I meant for the rolling starts. I heard the larger TB gives better throttle response. Is that something I need for this?

You know what... I'm jsut going to get that done already. Next pay check, I'm getting the TB ported to 55mm. No ifs, ands, or buts. Then we'll see. lol

good then u can tell me how better it made it so i know if its worth the money for me to do it :grinyes:

or you could have saved all the money you have spend on a N/A bus, and bought a turbo car =P

Aren't full cold air intakes supposed to give some better power in the lower power band?

Not really. They have slightly more top end, maybe a few hp at most.

I'm interested to see how much of a difference you will see with a 55 mm TB, with all of your mods.

Honestly... the more people keep making dumbass comments about fucking turbos, the less I want to post here, or anywhere else. Everywhere I go people give me shit, even 2gnt.com. I'm sick and tired of it.

Travis, do you have an extra TB you want to get rid of? I also need an EGR valve. The solenoid still gave me a CEL.

not trying to get you mad, but everyone that tells you the only way to get power is to turbo is right. They're not making "dumbass" comments. If you want a fast car, put all the money you're spending on mods into an account and buy a turbo or a turbo'd dsm. Everyone is actually trying to help you out...trying to save you time and money. But if you want to go and spend thousands (although your mod list is hardly performance) and still be slower than a stock turbo'd dsm, go for it. Just don't get mad when we tell you the truth...

In regards to getting bettle throttle response by upgrading throttle bodies, I don't see how it would help roll racing. When you roll race you go WOT, you don't ease into it, better throttle response is only good for city driving where it takes less effort to get up to speed.

well if i must say i kinda see where david is comming from.us n/t always have to hear that everytime we ask how we can make it faster,he didnt say he wanted it as fast as a turbo did he..no he just asked how he can get a better launch.if some of you 4g63t guys dont know then dont reply.im not trying to piss anyone off but i cant tell you how many people post whore by just saying "buy a turbo".im not saying you do but many other threads have the same response.thats about all,my 2 cents bye,,oh and travis knows i dremeled my tb and i didnt measure how much but i took out that whole lip inside and its alot bigger than stock.i can tell a difference quiker responce but not what i thought it would be. later

You dont NEED a turbo to make power, it just makes life a ton easier. They were featuring a 9 second all mosot rsx on super street a few months back, no boost, no blower, no spray on a k20. Granted it was all stripped down but it was still a fwd door slammer.

You dont NEED a turbo to make power, it just makes life a ton easier. They were featuring a 9 second all mosot rsx on super street a few months back, no boost, no blower, no spray on a k20. Granted it was all stripped down but it was still a fwd door slammer.


how much money was in that engine though?

how much money was in that engine though?
TOO MUCH!:wink:

once again i dont think the thread starter david was comparing it to a turbo,he just asked how to make it faster get it not as fast as a turbo just faster,my god.anyways im sure there is plenty of ways to do so,hahaha i dont know any,but that is all he asked.ok later

Thanks BostonJoe98.

I'm going to keep all my performance questions to myself now. I was going to get the TB and the cams and everything anyways. So, this thread was useless. I just wanted to see what everyone else though. You guys should know me by now. But I see no one really cares. Sad. Oh well. We could drop this now becuase its just going no where.

sorry D-man, I'm on your side on this one... I have a CAI If you want, PM me for pictures!

yeah man, I actually have respect for you because your staying N/A, all you ever hear is people wanting to turbo their car. cams should help alot but even more if you start porting your head better flowing intake mani ect.

how much money was in that engine though?
It actually want that crazy, it just have high comp pistons and rods(15:1) cams ITB's and minor head work

Thanks BlackGST but I like the short ram I got. Thanks for the offer though.

I'm just going to get the TB for now. I got the head that I'm saving money to do the work to. No biggy though.

I am looking for a used TB though, 95-99 n/t TB. PM me if you got one. Thanks!

hey daivd, this local Guy, says his 97 GS, and 300 WHP... its this possible? its a N/A 420a, i guess... the usual, CAI, Catback, Headers, test pipe, MSD ignition, he says it a 2.4 block, with forged internals... but can he be cranking out 300 @ the wheels? anyone input?

its possible, thats what I keep saying you dont need a turbo to make power it just makes it easier

I highly doubt that he is making anywhere near that much power. I would have to see proof to believe it.

Yeah, it's possible. He's got to have more done though. It's all possible. I've seen a couple of them that are up there.

Step on the GAS LOL

lol he says it has a 2.4L block... is that possible? can you build up a 420a to a 2.4L? it looks 100% stock, doesnt shack or anything (if i would, i dont know) and its not any louder then my GS with a Greddy Exhaust+ DC Sports 4-2-1 header on it (no cat). i jsut dont see how its possible... he keeps saying that he wants to race me... should i go for it? if he is pushing out 300, he'll kill me! but i dont think he is... whats in my sig are my only Power mods... what you guys think? should i race or no?

Go for it. Only one way to find out.

I doubt he is running that much power N/A. Shit, even when people turbo their 420A they struggle to hit 250 whp, so I call BS. :2cents:

Race him and see just how much you beat him by.

hey now. im hopeing to be pushing300 after i build my motor. i doubt it because im gana be running low compression pistons for when i turbo it. but thats what im hopeing.

crystler made a 2.4L dohc engine thats in whatever Chrysler cars had them lol, just like there is the 4g63 and the 4g64. I've seen the swap done on neons. IT IS COMPLETELY POSSIBLE TO RUN 300 N/A HORSEPOWER, if he has the motor he claims to have he could be running really high compression which is equivalent to a turbo because thing about it a turbo puts more air into a cylinder causing higher compression to happen and a bigger boom, well same thing with a high comp motor

David, ever think about doing the Jeep TB conversion? It would be alot easier and cheaper, unless you're going to port it yourself.

http://www.dimensia.com:81/jimbo/JeepTBfor2gnt.html

And I agree, you turbo guys need to start laying off of us n/t guys, it get REALLY annoying when everyone always tells you to go turbo. If we wanted to go turbo, we'd ask how. If you don't know the answer to a specific question or don't have any useful input then simply don't answer.