Kinda disopointed in borla...

I just got my car back from the muffler shop today, spent $150 getting it all welded up and an adapter made.
I am fairly disopointed, not as disopointed as when i had my flowmaster catback but still not what i expected...
I got the full 3" borla catback, i can tell a gain in hp definatly when i step on the gas, but sound wise, its not what i expect. It sounds mean, but not loud enough, i have the biggest plate in the side, no restriction basicly, its louder then the flowmaster but still not as loud as some 6 bangers rideing around here whitch is starting to get me discouraged.
Im not sure if its true that a muffler takes time to break in, becuase when i had the flowmaster on after about a month or so i thought it started to sound louder, will this happen or what?
I still have a stock cat converter and headers, i guess thats my next step, how much with a high flow cat and some long tube headers increase the sound?
I have a 305 tbi and shes really starting to disopoint me :(
Somebody please offer a shoulder to cry on
On the other hand... the tips look nice... lol

Get some long tube headers and since you have a tbi get the open air filter. When i did that on my tbi it sounded sweet when i punched it. when i had flowmasters installed in my RS it sounded weak until 2 weeks later, so there might be something about breaking them in.

i was reading up on the materals on the muffler part of the borla catback and aparently they claim to use the highest grade materals (like they all say) so that doesnt happen,who knows, ill give it a week or so and see what it sounds like, i was just out in the driveway reving it up, it sounds real mean and all but just not loud enough for me...
What is the difference between "long tube headers" and regular headers? and does anyone have good brands for camaros that come to mind? i was thinking SLP

Oh also, recently, when ive been turning off the car after reving it up and letting it sit for awile like just now, i look at the pipes and i can see smoke comming out of them, like something is burning in there or something, its not a huge cloud of smoke, it just kinda spirals out slow, lasts for a few minutes like that, whats going on there? Is that the whole "breaking in" of the muffler?

My muffler did the same shit when i installed it, it smelled a little burn but it went away. If u wanted loud you should have gone with loud mouth, that's what im geting. i Just want it to be freaking loud.

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It will definately sound better with some time, as it "burns in" it will get a deeper & more throaty tone.
the light smoke will go away too - Its just machine oil burning off from where Borla made the bends and swedges for all of the pieces.

yeah, i hated my dynomax 3" super turbo when i first got it, but now i love it! it will sound a lot different in a little time

i was thinking SLP
No.

slp has some of the worst customer service and policies, but i personally have not had an issue with them....YET

and as for the headers making you louder for some reason when i got my headers my flows actually got quiter...it got a cleaner sound but not louder...but i dont have a cat i dont know if that could do anything...is there any way you can get a sound clip up...i want to get the same thing as you and i want to hear what it sounds like...

I can try somehow to get a sound clip up, record it on my cell phone or something and put it on my computer but i can quarentee it wont sound that great becuase of the cell phone part lol.
But anyway, im starting to get happier with it, i was just driveing around for about an hour and even wile driveing i could notice it starting to sound a bit louder and deeper. It definatly sounds "good" but just not "holy hell thats loud" good, maybe becuase it isnt possable to sound good and still get the "holy hell thats loud" effect at the same time who knows, but i am happy with it so far, cant wait to hear it in a couple weeks.
I was even thinking of getting a loudmouth muffler and just putting that in the borla's place but i think im gonna keep this for a month or so and see where it gets me.
Back to my header question though, whats the difference between normal headers and long tube headers?

I can try somehow to get a sound clip up, record it on my cell phone or something and put it on my computer but i can quarentee it wont sound that great becuase of the cell phone part lol.
But anyway, im starting to get happier with it, i was just driveing around for about an hour and even wile driveing i could notice it starting to sound a bit louder and deeper. It definatly sounds "good" but just not "holy hell thats loud" good, maybe becuase it isnt possable to sound good and still get the "holy hell thats loud" effect at the same time who knows, but i am happy with it so far, cant wait to hear it in a couple weeks.
I was even thinking of getting a loudmouth muffler and just putting that in the borla's place but i think im gonna keep this for a month or so and see where it gets me.
Back to my header question though, whats the difference between normal headers and long tube headers?

i would go with good tone over loudness any day. loud=annoying ricer punks. i you wanted loud just get a cutout.just my 2 cents

man get u some long tubes, you'll get a different sound for sure

nobody will tell me! wtf is the difference between regular headers and long tubes?

ok, in doing some research and also trying to find out what exactly are and how much long tube headers cost, ive come to the conclusion that they arnt made for the 305 tbi?

i dont know the performance gains over one another but i was told to go with the shorties or else ill scrape even more...and you dont have to get the tbi headers...i got the edelbrock tes headers for a 5.7tpi and they fit just fine..

not too sure on that one... but I just installed my new Borla... I have long tubes, no cat and an LT1 so I'm sure mine will sound a little more mean than yours but I'm still kind of curious what it will actually be like... but for 400 bucks im not going to complain....

ok, so what long tubes do you guys suggest for a tbi if they dont have to be made just for a tbi

Also, nobody still told me, what exactly is the difference between long tubes and regular headers, do they still need a y pipe that leads into a cat then the rest... do the work like regular headers or what

Long tubes are the whole headers, you have an exhaust mainfold (assuming).

Long tube are smoother, free-er flowing and ALOT louder.

You want REALLY loud, get some turn downs, or better yet have someone put electric exhaust cutouts just before the mufflers. Just make sure it's legal if you get turn downs... they are LOUD. Like don't bother holding a conversation cause you won't hear a damned thing - type loud. The electric cut-outs are nice casue you can open and close from the cockpit whenever you want. See a cop, close them up... get next to a jackass, open 'em up.

Thanks for the explanation man, now you brought up another word though.. what are turn downs? lol

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Very well put Jim, you're coming along just fine :thumbsup:

Anyway, I have the TES headers and flowmaster 3" system back, and being a responsible individual, yes I have a cat on it. I like my setup. It's not overly loud, sounds great at idle and when push comes to shove it gets attention when the throttle gets closer to wide open.

But, the drawback is it does get unwanted attention with your local law enforcement.

it should get louder after i while, believe me you will love borla when it does

shorties are nothing more than sound,u may get around a 5hp gain with them, now long tubes u get that comression of air traveling through and it gets that throaty sound u hear. and i think that may be what u are looking for...that may not make since but thats the best i can do lol

Very well put Jim, you're coming along just fine :thumbsup:

lol

No seriously, you gave him a good straight forward answer to his question, you've gained a bit knowledge in a relatively small span of time.

oh man, i bought some header for my 92 305 tbi camaro but i think they are shorty, so i wont see much of a hp gain? every one said i will see alot of a gain.

I dont know if this was said already....but Im coming late in the game with some things.
When I got my Camaro I was dissapointed with the loudness as well, When I had two tips, but when I put the dump on one side, its pretty frekin loud. Its the low hp that is the problem with the 305's. Low exhaust flow.
Get a dump put on.....you wont be dissapointed.
Might not be incredably loud, but the tone will be incredable.

And all I want is to quiet mine down. :lol:

If you want your car to be craze loud, why are you spending $150 on a muffler? When you could have removed the cat and the muffler and spent like $30 to replace them with strait pipes?

Now I don’t think you should make your car craze loud because having craze loud car get old fast, but if you really want your car to be loud you should stop wasting your money on mufflers.

I like the suggestion of electric cutouts, I've been planning on installing one where my cat used to be. That section of pipe runs right under the passenger side of the car, should be interesting when im sitting next to someone and open it up :iceslolan

Alright, my Borla is on and I like it.... It's pretty damn load under throttle with the wide open plate in but then it's still quiet when you want it to be....

If you want your car to be craze loud, why are you spending $150 on a muffler? When you could have removed the cat and the muffler and spent like $30 to replace them with strait pipes?

Now I don’t think you should make your car craze loud because having craze loud car get old fast, but if you really want your car to be loud you should stop wasting your money on mufflers.
Yea if you want it to sound like crap..........loud....but like crap

Yea if you want it to sound like crap..........loud....but like crap
What you mean the raspy sound you get from a car with strait pipes? I think it sounds bada$$ it’s just way to loud to run on anything but a track car.

What you mean the raspy sound you get from a car with strait pipes? I think it sounds bada$$ it’s just way to loud to run on anything but a track car.
Ive heard it....It sounds like a fat and painful fart.

i saw a 2.2l cavy with true duals....it was horribly loud and obnoxious

i saw a 2.2l cavy with true duals....it was horribly loud and obnoxious
Is it technically possible to have "true duals" on an inline block. I mean I've seen 4 cylinders and inline 6's with a header that splits into two pipes and go back. But would that really be defined as being true duals? Just one of those weird hypothetical questions that's been sitting in the back of my mind.

well i dunno if it would be considered true duals....just from the exhaust manifold goes to 2 pipes and goes straight back w/o any cat or muffler of any kind......guess i should have reworded it better

well i dunno if it would be considered true duals....just from the exhaust manifold goes to 2 pipes and goes straight back w/o any cat or muffler of any kind......guess i should have reworded it better

Oh nah I wasn't saying you were wrong by calling it that or anything. It just got me wondering if "technically speaking" would they be called true duals? I've just always wondered if splitting a header into two pipes would be considered to be true duals.

yeah i know...just got me thinking too....i had never really thought about it before like that

yeah i know...just got me thinking too....i had never really thought about it before like that
Well let me help. True dual’s are when there is an exhaust pipe comes from #1 header and an exhaust pipe comes from #2 header and they go all the way to the back of the car without being connected.

You don’t call a single exhaust with a Y-pipe true dual’s unless your a ricers.

well....clears that up....thanks

My true duals do connect. 4" x-pipe.

My true duals do connect. 4" x-pipe.
Then there not true dual’s. You have dual exhaust, but not true dual’s.

why wouldnt that be considered true duals? still from the headers with no cat/muffler.....just crosses with an x pipe

Then there not true dual’s. You have dual exhaust, but not true dual’s.
More effective too.
The x-pipe is there to even out the flow being pulled from the motor.

My true duals do connect. 4" x-pipe.
Do you have pics....I want to see how u set it up.

why wouldnt that be considered true duals? still from the headers with no cat/muffler.....just crosses with an x pipe
Because having them connected with an X-pipe makes them a single exhaust at some point between the engine and the back of the car making them untrue.

Fake dual exhaust is a when you have a single pipe and a Y-pipe

Dual exhaust is when you have 2 pipes that are connected at some point.

True dual exhaust is when you have to 2 pipes with no connections.

More effective too.
The x-pipe is there to even out the flow being pulled from the motor.
I’m not saying true dual’s equals better performance (because they don’t). I’m just saying what true dual’s are.