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Poll: Just a friendly question?


jcsaleen
03-22-2006, 11:19 AM
Should the drinking age be lowered from 21 - 18?

Fact:Only four on the entire planet have a drinking age of 21, Ukraine, South Korea, Malaysia, and the United States...

Vote & post ~

clawhammer
03-22-2006, 11:26 AM
I have no opinion. I don't drink. But obviously those under 21 who want to drink, do drink. So the law isn't really stopping them. It's more of an inconvenience.

-Jayson-
03-22-2006, 11:29 AM
no, its simple enough kids under 21 Do enough stupid things as is. They dont need a reason to do more, canada is supposed to be raising there drinking age to 21 soon.

The only thing i think, is there should be a law. If you are in the armed services you should be allowed to drink if your under 21. If someone can go die for there country, they better be able to drink a fucking beer for it.

quteasabutton
03-22-2006, 11:40 AM
i think 21 is too old, but 18 is a little on the young side. maybe 19 or 20. wisconsin was one of the last states in the union to raise their drinking age. we just like our beer here. and the only reason we did raise the age is because we were threatened by the US government that if we didn't raise our drinking age to 21 like every other state, we would lose all of our highway fund money. since we don't have tolls, that would've really sucked. even tho i don't drink, i still think the age is too high. people are going to do it anyways if they really want to.

beef_bourito
03-22-2006, 05:22 PM
no, its simple enough kids under 21 Do enough stupid things as is. They dont need a reason to do more, canada is supposed to be raising there drinking age to 21 soon.

wtf no we aren't, where are you getting your info, ask a canadian for it next time.

anyways i think 21 is way too old, if it's lowered to 18 you won't have as many older people partying their asses off because they've gotten it out of their system. in canada with all the people i know, they party like mad when they become legal, then in a few years they decide to tone it down. besides i think it's rediculous that you can die for your country at 18, you can vote at 18, you can buy porn at 18 but you can't drink.

driftinggrifter2
03-22-2006, 05:43 PM
no, its simple enough kids under 21 Do enough stupid things as is. They dont need a reason to do more.
Fully agree with ya on this. La. when I lived there the drinking age was 18 and do you know how many stupid ass people would go drink it up then drive or they were always starting fights. And it was mainly the ones under 21 that did that. Right before I turned 18 they raised up to 21 due to all the problems they were having.

Heres alittle know fact for you. In La. it is perfectly legal for you to have a open container in your car as long as it is someone else holding it and not you.

driftinggrifter2
03-22-2006, 05:43 PM
no, its simple enough kids under 21 Do enough stupid things as is. They dont need a reason to do more.
Fully agree with ya on this. La. when I lived there the drinking age was 18 and do you know how many stupid ass people would go drink it up then drive or they were always starting fights. And it was mainly the ones under 21 that did that. Right before I turned 18 they raised up to 21 due to all the problems they were having.

Heres alittle know fact for you. In La. it is perfectly legal for you to have a open container in your car as long as it is someone else holding it and not you.

Colov99
03-22-2006, 05:45 PM
if your gona be drafted and shot at. you should be allowed to go get smashed before hand. and it is more of an inconviance to us underage people untill we reach 21.

beef_bourito
03-22-2006, 05:51 PM
POST #1000!!!!! I FINALLY BROKE INTO THE TRIPLE DIGITS!!!

I also agree that it's just an inconvenience for underage people. I've had countless opportunities to drink, although i didn't act on those because i had to drive home every time. I'm only 17 by the way.

Also I'm just saying i think it is a good thing to have it younger than 21, but not too young, i think 18 works pretty well from what i've seen in Canada, although we're nicer people :P.

XeVeNskyLiNE
03-22-2006, 06:19 PM
Meh, the drinking age is bullshit.

I don't mean in it in the way that its a bad law, I mean that if any of you guys are still in high school, what do they do almost every weekend?

Keg parties.

Even though only 21 and up can buy, kids as young as 15 and 16 are going to parties and getting all boozed up. So lowering the drinking age won't change a damn thing.

93rollaracer
03-22-2006, 06:21 PM
Fuck yes it should be! Of course me being 19 and at college my opinion is slightly biased but still...

TerminalVelocity
03-22-2006, 06:46 PM
no, its simple enough kids under 21 Do enough stupid things as is. They dont need a reason to do more, canada is supposed to be raising there drinking age to 21 soon.

The only thing i think, is there should be a law. If you are in the armed services you should be allowed to drink if your under 21. If someone can go die for there country, they better be able to drink a fucking beer for it.


:1: :1: :1:

this is most of my point...

the rest is

make it easier and for how the culture already is, 18-20 would abuse it greatly! Why? The taboo is now legal...you can do what you are not sposto and its legal.

Whereas if your gonna die for this country...you should be able to party hard before you ship out.

driftinggrifter2
03-22-2006, 06:51 PM
The only thing bout lowering it to 18 is that then it would be even easier for the 14-17 age group would find it even easier to get due there 18yr old friends being allowed to buy it.

TexasF355F1
03-22-2006, 06:55 PM
Nope. You have to earn the right first. You have to take the chances of getting caught. Came close sevearl times, but never got an MIP. Looking back, it's more fun to sneak the alcohol around.

beef_bourito
03-22-2006, 06:57 PM
they can get it just as easily now as if their friends were buying the booze. honeslty i haven't found anyone of nearly any age that couldn't get alcohol if they really wanted

vinnym86
03-22-2006, 06:59 PM
NO. I'm not 21 yet, and i feel like i'd be responsible now, but i wasn't when i was 18, and the majority of U.S. population isn't either. its just fact. It'd be fun, but probably the stupidest idea ever.

FlippiN.af
03-22-2006, 07:00 PM
Nope.

freakray
03-22-2006, 07:11 PM
I know a lot of people that can't drink responsibly at 21, maybe we should raise the drinking age....

quteasabutton
03-22-2006, 09:01 PM
some of the 16-20 year olds only drink cuz it's "wrong" to do it and they get a rush out of doing something illegal that they could get caught for. making it legal can take the fun out of it for some people. then again it would possibly make people start who weren't drinking cuz it was legal. i say leave it where it is cuz then there's less bitching and moaning from people about changing it. no matter what age you put it at, there will always be people who abuse it and can't be responsible. some of my friends from work are 25-27 and still go out drinking almost every single night. they've been doing it for years too. that's just how it is, some people will never learn their limits.

Knifeblade
03-22-2006, 10:56 PM
no, its simple enough kids under 21 Do enough stupid things as is. They dont need a reason to do more, canada is supposed to be raising there drinking age to 21 soon.

The only thing i think, is there should be a law. If you are in the armed services you should be allowed to drink if your under 21. If someone can go die for there country, they better be able to drink a fucking beer for it.

Generally, I am against lowering the drinking age, however!!!!!!!!! I fully agree with Jason re his response:wink: !!!!!!!!!!!!

Broke_as_****
03-22-2006, 11:15 PM
I think lowering the drinking age to 18 right now would be a bad idea. If the government produced a good campaign towards responsible drinking and much much more importantly parents made a good effort to teach their kids things like "common sense" and "moderation" then I think we could lower it in a decade or so.

But yeah, if you got a military ID you should be allowed at least a limited amount of alcohol. I always thought it was kind of screwy I was in for four years before I could drink.

sv650s
03-22-2006, 11:22 PM
most 18 year old's who wanna drink don't really obey the law so why put all that stress on the cops?

TerminalVelocity
03-22-2006, 11:43 PM
most 14yr olds who wanna drink do and dont obay the law....

so lets just not have an age limit by that theory....

sv650s
03-23-2006, 12:09 AM
most 14yr olds who wanna drink do and dont obay the law....

so lets just not have an age limit by that theory....

damn! got me there :banghead:

ThatRoundHeadedKid
03-23-2006, 12:10 AM
I don't like the way the ages set are today.

You have to be 21 to gamble, you have to be 21 to drink, you have to be 18 or 21 to view porn legally or go to a strip bar depending on the states, you have to be 18 to have full licenses again depending on the states, you can be 18 to enlist in the armed forces (or is it 17), you can own a gun at 18, for god sakes make it all a one age: 21 because that's when individuals' development patterns begin to stop and thus signifies that you're an adult. the onlything that I think they should keep 18 is ability to drive.

The age limits may all be a good deterrent but like someone said, it's merely an inconvenience. people have such easy access to things. I play poker sometimes with the guys in my dorm, i can grab a beer anytime i want or even have my sister get me one (dont ask), i can get porn just browsing the web or using limewire, i can drive, i cant enlist but that's the only thing.

but thing that makes the age limits good, is that they are deterrents. if you think about it, if booze was legal at a lower age, people in highschool would be wasting themselves to oblivion and causing more chaos than the world needs. not only that, the teenage years are the years in which individuals are more susceptible to growth retardants since they're so important development-wise. yea like i said, everything has alot of easy access. but trust me, i think the age limits work.

AlmostStock
03-23-2006, 01:14 AM
...but thing that makes the age limits good, is that they are deterrents. if you think about it, if booze was legal at a lower age, people in highschool would be wasting themselves to oblivion and causing more chaos than the world needs. not only that, the teenage years are the years in which individuals are more susceptible to growth retardants since they're so important development-wise. yea like i said, everything has alot of easy access. but trust me, i think the age limits work.

I agree. When I was 18 I was of legal drinking age. Two and a half months later the law changed and I was no longer old enough! After that we went to Wisconsin where 18 was still legal. I think about all the crazy crap we did and I'm surprised we weren't killed. Lowering the drinking age would cause a lot of problems. Thankfully I doubt we'll have to worry about that happening.

No, the drinking age should not be lowered.

sidewayzS13
03-23-2006, 01:36 AM
i jusst turned 21 but i have had a fake id since i was 17 it was a good one to and looking back at everything i was a idiont in the past year or so i have matured greatly and dont do near that stupid shit i used to do a few years ago so looking back id say the drinking age is good where it is. but i do agree about the military. but shit if a 18 yr old wants to get tanked they can always just order absineth online simple at that no need to search for alcohol here hahaha

-Jayson-
03-23-2006, 02:02 PM
i think marijuana will become legal before the drinking age in the US goes any lower

dpsayz
03-23-2006, 03:08 PM
I think that the drinking age should be lowerd, because kids drink anyways. and it doesn't make sence that we have to go and register for the draft and give our lifes, when we can't even drink haha. i mean i don't kno that much about the technicalities of the argument, but on the surface i think thats the way it should be.

MonsterBengt
03-23-2006, 03:34 PM
i think 21 is too old, but 18 is a little on the young side. maybe 19 or 20. wisconsin was one of the last states in the union to raise their drinking age. we just like our beer here. and the only reason we did raise the age is because we were threatened by the US government that if we didn't raise our drinking age to 21 like every other state, we would lose all of our highway fund money. since we don't have tolls, that would've really sucked. even tho i don't drink, i still think the age is too high. people are going to do it anyways if they really want to.

A 18year old can be at least 5years more mature than a 19 year old, aint i right? there should be kindova a drivers license for drinking if youre under 21 :P if you cant drink responsible enough, you're not allowed to drink :D

jcsaleen
03-23-2006, 04:50 PM
Tied!

driftinggrifter2
03-23-2006, 06:31 PM
The lower you put the drinking age the easier it will be for younger people to get. Say 18 is legal then they will by their friends who are under 18(15-17) drinks then the argument would be 18 is to high lower it down again.
Now answer me this how many of ya'll if you could buy legally at 18 would still do as good in school as you are? Or would you be to hungover seeing as how it would be legal and available to you whenever you wanted it?

Knifeblade
03-24-2006, 03:04 PM
HHHHHHmmmmmmmmm, " Now answer me this how many of ya'll if you could buy legally at 18 would still do as good in school as you are? Or would you be to hungover seeing as how it would be legal and available to you whenever you wanted it?"

Good point, my counter is anyone 18 yrs. old and STILL? in High School?? If so, generally they at the very end of their senior year, or they are morons. Presume the former, the last couple months of school being impacted by drinking is likely negligble.

Of course, if in college at 18, at least my experience was it was part of the college life, good or bad.

BleedDodge
03-24-2006, 03:28 PM
Drinking age IS 18 where I live.

jon@af
03-24-2006, 03:40 PM
The drinking age is fine where it is. Those who are under 21 can easily find ways to get alcohol, so it doesn't really matter that the age is 21 does it? It just means that they can buy it themselves.

driftinggrifter2
03-24-2006, 04:32 PM
Good point, my counter is anyone 18 yrs. old and STILL? in High School?? If so, generally they at the very end of their senior year, or they are morons. Presume the former, the last couple months of school being impacted by drinking is likely negligble.

Of course, if in college at 18, at least my experience was it was part of the college life, good or bad.
Yea good point but how many of the 18 yr olds would buy for there younger friends on a more frequent basis. I know cuz after they switched the age in La. to 21 some of the places would still sale to be being 18 and I would by for alot of my friends which I probably shouldn't cuz they really started to suck in school.

Karen512
03-24-2006, 05:46 PM
I presonally dont think so

03cavPA
03-24-2006, 07:02 PM
Not sure what makes 21 a magical age for alcohol use. It has to be set somewhere, though, and I think 21 is a decent place.

Hell, I know a number of 25 year olds who shouldn't be allowed to drive, let alone drink.

Can't really argue against allowing the military to drink under 21. If you're old enough to die for the government, they can at least allow you the luxury of killing some brain cells first.

driftinggrifter2
03-24-2006, 07:07 PM
Not sure what makes 21 a magical age for alcohol use. It has to be set somewhere, though, and I think 21 is a decent place.

Hell, I know a number of 25 year olds who shouldn't be allowed to drive, let alone drink.

Can't really argue against allowing the military to drink under 21. If you're old enough to die for the government, they can at least allow you the luxury of killing some brain cells first.
:cheers:

jcsaleen
03-24-2006, 07:19 PM
i think marijuana will become legal before the drinking age in the US goes any lower

It is legal, Look it up in the state of colorado in Denver.

Knifeblade
03-24-2006, 07:37 PM
"Yea good point but how many of the 18 yr olds would buy for there younger friends on a more frequent basis. I know cuz after they switched the age in La. to 21 some of the places would still sale to be being 18 and I would by for alot of my friends which I probably shouldn't cuz they really started to suck in school."

Yeah, it's hard to say in either case.

Knifeblade
03-24-2006, 07:42 PM
:smokin: Can't really argue against allowing the military to drink under 21. If you're old enough to die for the government, they can at least allow you the luxury of killing some brain cells first.
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And that is the only real reason that I can accept for our men and women in uniform to have some alcohol, under the age of 21.

Nuff said........

driftinggrifter2
03-24-2006, 07:58 PM
^fully agree with you on the military

In the other case though it is hard to say the impacts on switchin the age lower would be good or bad as always it would depend onthe judgement made by the individual.

AlbanyCartel
03-24-2006, 08:46 PM
no,

teens are dumb as shit already.

jcsaleen
03-25-2006, 09:42 AM
no,

teens are dumb as shit already.

Wow, Great statement...

Great job showing how much better you are to teens, Great way to back it up to...

I can see you probably thought long and hard on that one :rofl:

-Jayson-
03-25-2006, 10:30 AM
It is legal, Look it up in the state of colorado in Denver.


ehh wrong. Yes the City of Denver Colorado legalised marijuana, but there is still a state and federal law making it illegal. So if a cop wanted to write you a ticket, he could still just as easily do it. Not to mention country sherifs and state police its still illegal to them. Not to mention its still illegal to buy or sell marijuana as well as grow any more than the tiniest amount. ANd even denver police could charge you under federal law as well. So no its not legal.

driftinggrifter2
03-25-2006, 11:00 AM
Never know, he could be chalking it up to experiance. Thats how I made my vote for no. The things we do as teens without a care in the world.

AlbanyCartel
03-25-2006, 11:20 AM
Wow, Great statement...

Great job showing how much better you are to teens, Great way to back it up to...

I can see you probably thought long and hard on that one :rofl:

well,

when in Rome...

jcsaleen
03-25-2006, 11:39 AM
It all depends as far as the view on teenagers goes...

It's like the ricer look if you have a bodykit and a wing or a tart sounding exhaust your automatically labeled as rice...

Either way were going to be labeled as mischief makers which does suck but there are resposible drinkers under the age of 21 reguardless of what people think. I'm also sure that there are plenty of 21 all the way to 30 year olds who shouldn't have a drop.

:2cents:

driftinggrifter2
03-25-2006, 12:12 PM
Yes but if they want to ruin there lives after 21 then they can there isn't much hope for them where as a 18 yr old still could do right hence the age limit. Granted there are responsible drinkers under 21 and idiots that are older but I think the law for it is right where it is.

ehh wrong. Yes the City of Denver Colorado legalised marijuana, but there is still a state and federal law making it illegal. So if a cop wanted to write you a ticket, he could still just as easily do it. Not to mention country sherifs and state police its still illegal to them. Not to mention its still illegal to buy or sell marijuana as well as grow any more than the tiniest amount. ANd even denver police could charge you under federal law as well. So no its not legal.
Just like Cali there a yr or so ago. Even the docters were getting arrested for prescribing medical marijuana cuz even though the state might legalize the federal gov. still says it's illegal hence the arrests

beef_bourito
03-25-2006, 02:20 PM
but it is true, us teens are stupid, i just think it'll get all the partying out of their system early. it works in canada. i don't know that many people who party their assed off when they get out of university. i think 18 might be a little low, but 19 would be good

alfonso2501
03-27-2006, 10:56 PM
no,

teens are dumb as shit already.

I agree.

skibum1111
03-28-2006, 07:55 AM
I don't think lowering the age to 18 is a good idea, instead base it on how mature someone is. I'm 36, have a bunch of friends my age that act like they are still 18, they definately shouldn't drink, drive or have kids. Then there are some kids at 18 who are more mature than most of society. Big question is, how do you establish a test like that?

CustomZ
03-28-2006, 05:18 PM
it is here in calgary alberta canada, and it brings alot of "potental" to the clubs. and it brings jail bait couse you never know how old girls are here.

CustomZ
03-28-2006, 05:19 PM
it is here in calgary alberta canada, and it brings alot of "potental" to the clubs. and it brings jail bait couse you never know how old girls are here.

Polygon
03-28-2006, 05:31 PM
I would have to say no. In most other places people drink to enjoy themselves. In the U.S. too many people drink just to get smashed.

CustomZ
03-28-2006, 05:42 PM
I would have to say no. In most other places people drink to enjoy themselves. In the U.S. too many people drink just to get smashed.

so true(in canada) i find the "younger drinkers" are just in the clubs too get smashed not saying all of them are but alot off em. i know couse i used to.

Jimster
03-31-2006, 01:59 AM
Freedom should be strictly R21.

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