Announcing the Enzo Ferrari:
hermunn123
07-07-2002, 01:32 AM
i think a change in name for this forum is in order now. the "F60" is the Enzo Ferrari.
here's an article on it with full technical details along with the author's analysis. (translated from Chinese so it could have a few grammerical errors)
Enzo Ferrari - Full Technical Details Finally!!
Great news that AutoZine is again the world’s first English media to report about the official technical details of the Enzo Ferrari supercar. After reading the following paragraphs, you will find many previous rumours and reports from other websites and magazines were completely wrong! for example:
- Enzo weighs 1345kg rather than the reported 1200kg. Not exactly a stripped-out road racer.
- Enzo accelerates from 0-60mph in 3.55 seconds, not the reported 3.2 seconds.
- Enzo’s 6.0 V12 engine pumps out 660 horsepower, more than the reported 650.
- Enzo’s engine does not adopt any so-called "ballistic valve-actuation system experimented by Ferrari F1 cars in the early 90s, which throws the valve stems away from cam lobes at very high speed". No such things or similarly things at all!
- Enzo employs 6-speed F1 gearbox (same as I predicted) rather than the reported 7-speeder.
Here comes the full technical details and my analysis:
Engine
It is known that the "F140" number plate found on the Tokyo show car is actually the project number of the engine. The V12 employs Ferrari’s usual 65° V-angle rather than the more popular 60°. Displacing 5998c.c., with dohc 4-valve per cylinder (like the F1 car, no 5-valve anymore). Compression ratio is a high 11.2:1, which is especially remarkable considering it drinks RON 95 petrol. The combustion chamber is of course oversquared - 92mm bore and 75.2mm stroke - to enhance revability and power. Further with the help of variable valve timing it can rev to 8200rpm, higher than other V12 supercars - Ferrari 575M (7700rpm), Lamborghini Murcielago (7800rpm) and Pagani Zonda C12S (7000rpm). It might not match F50, but note that the new V12 displaces 1300 more c.c. and offers a lot more torque at any rev.
Each of the 4 camshafts has continuous variable cam phasing, in other words, this is Ferrari’s first engine with variable valve timing at both intake and exhaust valves.
There is also a variable geometry intake manifold, which is described by Ferrari as borrowed from Formula 1. The press material said it has "a system of small telescopic pumps activated by hydraulic actuator, that allowed the power and peak torque valves to be maximized." Don’t know what it means, but this could be what Autocar misread as "ballisted valve actuation system".
Combining all these ingredients, the all-new V12 pumps out 660 horsepower at 7800rpm (again, at a rev higher than that of its V12 rivals but not its predecessor F50). Max. torque is 485 lbft, a few pound-foot more than McLaren F1 and Lambo Murcielago but considerably less than the 7.3-litre Zonda and 8.3-litre Viper (oh, why are we bother by the Viper?) Torque seems not a strength of the 6-litre Ferrari V12, although it already produces 138 lbft more than its predecessor. Ditto mid-range torque. The Ferrari delivers 391lbft (80% of max. torque) at 3000rpm, while Murcielago produces a full 400lbft (83% peak torque) at just 2000rpm.
If you look at its specific power, however, you will find the Ferrari V12 biases towards power instead of torque - a thing Enzo Ferrari (the person) would have agreed with. Even though each cylinder displaces as much as 500c.c., it is still able to achieve 110 horsepower per litre of displacement, far higher than Lamborghini (93.7hp/l). It even eclipses McLaren (103.4hp/l) and the smaller F50 (109.2hp/l), both were born in the early 90s with looser emission regulations.
However, in the press material there is no emphasis about how light the new V12 is, just said it is 225kg in the specification table. Therefore I think the rumour "30% lighter than F50’s unit" could be wrong again. It does not make sense to say a 6.0 V12 is as much as 30% lighter than a 4.7 V12 while both are made of essentially the same materials (aluminum head and block, titanium con-rods).
Chassis and Body
No surprise here. The chassis and body are made of aluminum honeycomb structure sandwiched by carbon fiber panels. This is currently the best materials for supercars. The rear suspensions, engine / gearbox / differential unit are all mounted on aluminum frames bolted to the carbon fiber monocoque.
Aerodynamic is especially interesting for this car. You know, Ferrari is the expert in this field via its F1 operation. On the one hand it wants to achieve a top speed at least 350km/h (217mph), which requires low drag. On the other hand it does not want to sacrifice handling, which asks for high downforce. Therefore it adopts a pair of aero flaps at the front slides and a rear spoiler, all are automatic adjustable according to speed to vary the amount of downforce generated front and rear. At 200kph (124mph), the Enzo can generate 344kg of downforce. This rise to an astonishing 775kg at 300kph (186mph), ensuring high-speed stability not found in most other supercars. However, above 300kph the aero flaps and rear spoiler are adjusted to reduce drag, thus at 350kph (217mph) the downforce scales back to 585kg.
Also don’t forget the huge diffusers that generate a lot of downforce. The reason Enzo incorporates F1-style high nose is not just styling gimmick, but the hole underneath the nose channels air towards the pair of rear diffusers which create ground-effect.
There is no drag coefficient revealed, but it must be better than F50, thanks to the lack of huge rear spoiler. My estimation is 0.34.
Suspensions, tyres and brakes
Suspensions are again double wishbones all round (what else could be used?), and again horizontal dampers and springs connecting to wheels by pushrods. Ferrari has been using this racing layout since F40. Just now it incorporates adaptive damping like other Ferrari mainstream models.
Enzo runs on Bridgestone RE050A Scuderia (undoubtedly specially developed for it) with tyre size 245/35ZR19 front and 345/35ZR19 rear.
Brembo has developed a new carbon-ceramic brake for the Enzo. You might have heard that before, although Autocar incorrectly reported it was postponed due to technical difficulties. The composite braking disc is considerably lighter than conventional steel discs (4 pieces save 12.5kg), also far more resistant to heat hence reduced fading. Stopping power is extremely strong, especially the Enzo employs 380mm diameter discs all round, with 6 and 4-pot calipers front and rear respectively. For reference, Lamborghini Murcielago employs just 355mm front and 335mm rear discs although the car is 400kg heavier!
Transmission and electronic aids
575M Maranello has just beaten Enzo as Ferrari’s first V12 car equipped with the sequential-shift F1 gearbox, but Enzo’s version shifts quicker. At the fastest mode it shifts in 150ms, same as 360 F1 and 70ms quicker than 575M. Again, the gearbox is based on a 6-speed manual and added by electrohydraulic clutch. Shift is again activated by paddles mounted at steering column, but now the buttons for selecting different modes (Sport / Race / Reverse) are mounted on steering wheels for faster access.
In fact, the Sport and Race mode also change the characteristic of adaptive damping (of course, harder for Race) and ASR traction control (i.e., less intervention in case of Race). There is another mode - No ASR, which disable traction control completely. If you select Race mode and No ASR mode simultaneously, you can even enjoy the F1-inspired Launch Control. Just press and hold the brake pedal while applying throttle, then release the brake pedal and the computer will engage the twin-plate clutch automatically in the way to optimize launching.
With ABS, ASR, Launch Control, F1 gearbox and adaptive damping, the Enzo Ferrari is hardly a stripped-out supercar.
Weight and Performance
Enzo is quite large by supercar standard. It is longer than the big Lambo Murcielago and nearly as wide, hence far larger than McLaren F1. (see below for comparison among them)
Kerb weight is 1345kg, considerably heavier than expected. Even dry weight is still 1255kg, equals to Zonda but far off from the 1100kg F40 and 1138kg McLaren. This explain why Ferrari claims it need 3.65 seconds for 0-100kph, which roughly equals to 3.55 seconds for 0-60mph. Don’t think of beating McLaren’s record of 3.2 seconds!
Top speed is also unlikely to match the McLaren’s all-time record of 240mph. Although the Ferrari has an advantage of 33hp, its aerodynamic drag is likely to be considerably worse (higher drag coefficient and larger frontal area). Anyway, in real world driving the Ferrari must be superior to handle.
Cockpit
You have already known these: gullwing doors, carbon-fiber racing buckets, just don’t know how the cockpit look. See Enzo Ferrari Gallery for the first official pictures showing its interior. It looks quite good!
Specifications
Model Enzo Ferrari
Layout Mid-engined, Rwd
Size (L / W / H / WB) mm 4702 / 2035 / 1147 / 2650
Engine V12, dohc, 4v/cyl, variable intake,
continous VVT at inlet and exhaust.
Capacity 5998 c.c.
Power 660 hp @7800rpm
Torque 485 lbft @5500rpm
Transmission 6-speed F1 sequential
Suspensions All: double wishbones; adaptive damping.
Tyres F: 245/35 ZR19; R: 345/35 ZR19
Weight Dry weight: 1255 kg
Kerb weight: 1345 kg
Top speed 217mph+ (claimed)
0-60 mph 3.55 sec (claimed)
No. to be produced 349 units
Comparison
McLaren F1 Zonda C12S Murcielago F60
Length (mm) 4288 4345 4580 4702
Width (mm) 1820 1933 2045 2035
Height (mm) 1140 1151 1135 1147
Wheelbase (mm) 2718 2730 2665 2650
Dry weight 1138 kg 1250 kg 1650 kg 1255 kg
Engine V12 by BMW V12 by AMG V12 by Lambo V12 by Ferrari
Displacement 6064 c.c. 7291 c.c. 6192 c.c. 5998 c.c.
Power 627 hp 555 hp 580 hp 660 hp
Torque 479 lbft 553 lbft 479 lbft 485 lbft
Top speed 240 mph 220 mph 205 mph 217mph+
0-60mph 3.2 sec 3.6 sec 3.8 sec 3.55 sec
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo6.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo_eng.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo_door3.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo_door.jpg
here's an article on it with full technical details along with the author's analysis. (translated from Chinese so it could have a few grammerical errors)
Enzo Ferrari - Full Technical Details Finally!!
Great news that AutoZine is again the world’s first English media to report about the official technical details of the Enzo Ferrari supercar. After reading the following paragraphs, you will find many previous rumours and reports from other websites and magazines were completely wrong! for example:
- Enzo weighs 1345kg rather than the reported 1200kg. Not exactly a stripped-out road racer.
- Enzo accelerates from 0-60mph in 3.55 seconds, not the reported 3.2 seconds.
- Enzo’s 6.0 V12 engine pumps out 660 horsepower, more than the reported 650.
- Enzo’s engine does not adopt any so-called "ballistic valve-actuation system experimented by Ferrari F1 cars in the early 90s, which throws the valve stems away from cam lobes at very high speed". No such things or similarly things at all!
- Enzo employs 6-speed F1 gearbox (same as I predicted) rather than the reported 7-speeder.
Here comes the full technical details and my analysis:
Engine
It is known that the "F140" number plate found on the Tokyo show car is actually the project number of the engine. The V12 employs Ferrari’s usual 65° V-angle rather than the more popular 60°. Displacing 5998c.c., with dohc 4-valve per cylinder (like the F1 car, no 5-valve anymore). Compression ratio is a high 11.2:1, which is especially remarkable considering it drinks RON 95 petrol. The combustion chamber is of course oversquared - 92mm bore and 75.2mm stroke - to enhance revability and power. Further with the help of variable valve timing it can rev to 8200rpm, higher than other V12 supercars - Ferrari 575M (7700rpm), Lamborghini Murcielago (7800rpm) and Pagani Zonda C12S (7000rpm). It might not match F50, but note that the new V12 displaces 1300 more c.c. and offers a lot more torque at any rev.
Each of the 4 camshafts has continuous variable cam phasing, in other words, this is Ferrari’s first engine with variable valve timing at both intake and exhaust valves.
There is also a variable geometry intake manifold, which is described by Ferrari as borrowed from Formula 1. The press material said it has "a system of small telescopic pumps activated by hydraulic actuator, that allowed the power and peak torque valves to be maximized." Don’t know what it means, but this could be what Autocar misread as "ballisted valve actuation system".
Combining all these ingredients, the all-new V12 pumps out 660 horsepower at 7800rpm (again, at a rev higher than that of its V12 rivals but not its predecessor F50). Max. torque is 485 lbft, a few pound-foot more than McLaren F1 and Lambo Murcielago but considerably less than the 7.3-litre Zonda and 8.3-litre Viper (oh, why are we bother by the Viper?) Torque seems not a strength of the 6-litre Ferrari V12, although it already produces 138 lbft more than its predecessor. Ditto mid-range torque. The Ferrari delivers 391lbft (80% of max. torque) at 3000rpm, while Murcielago produces a full 400lbft (83% peak torque) at just 2000rpm.
If you look at its specific power, however, you will find the Ferrari V12 biases towards power instead of torque - a thing Enzo Ferrari (the person) would have agreed with. Even though each cylinder displaces as much as 500c.c., it is still able to achieve 110 horsepower per litre of displacement, far higher than Lamborghini (93.7hp/l). It even eclipses McLaren (103.4hp/l) and the smaller F50 (109.2hp/l), both were born in the early 90s with looser emission regulations.
However, in the press material there is no emphasis about how light the new V12 is, just said it is 225kg in the specification table. Therefore I think the rumour "30% lighter than F50’s unit" could be wrong again. It does not make sense to say a 6.0 V12 is as much as 30% lighter than a 4.7 V12 while both are made of essentially the same materials (aluminum head and block, titanium con-rods).
Chassis and Body
No surprise here. The chassis and body are made of aluminum honeycomb structure sandwiched by carbon fiber panels. This is currently the best materials for supercars. The rear suspensions, engine / gearbox / differential unit are all mounted on aluminum frames bolted to the carbon fiber monocoque.
Aerodynamic is especially interesting for this car. You know, Ferrari is the expert in this field via its F1 operation. On the one hand it wants to achieve a top speed at least 350km/h (217mph), which requires low drag. On the other hand it does not want to sacrifice handling, which asks for high downforce. Therefore it adopts a pair of aero flaps at the front slides and a rear spoiler, all are automatic adjustable according to speed to vary the amount of downforce generated front and rear. At 200kph (124mph), the Enzo can generate 344kg of downforce. This rise to an astonishing 775kg at 300kph (186mph), ensuring high-speed stability not found in most other supercars. However, above 300kph the aero flaps and rear spoiler are adjusted to reduce drag, thus at 350kph (217mph) the downforce scales back to 585kg.
Also don’t forget the huge diffusers that generate a lot of downforce. The reason Enzo incorporates F1-style high nose is not just styling gimmick, but the hole underneath the nose channels air towards the pair of rear diffusers which create ground-effect.
There is no drag coefficient revealed, but it must be better than F50, thanks to the lack of huge rear spoiler. My estimation is 0.34.
Suspensions, tyres and brakes
Suspensions are again double wishbones all round (what else could be used?), and again horizontal dampers and springs connecting to wheels by pushrods. Ferrari has been using this racing layout since F40. Just now it incorporates adaptive damping like other Ferrari mainstream models.
Enzo runs on Bridgestone RE050A Scuderia (undoubtedly specially developed for it) with tyre size 245/35ZR19 front and 345/35ZR19 rear.
Brembo has developed a new carbon-ceramic brake for the Enzo. You might have heard that before, although Autocar incorrectly reported it was postponed due to technical difficulties. The composite braking disc is considerably lighter than conventional steel discs (4 pieces save 12.5kg), also far more resistant to heat hence reduced fading. Stopping power is extremely strong, especially the Enzo employs 380mm diameter discs all round, with 6 and 4-pot calipers front and rear respectively. For reference, Lamborghini Murcielago employs just 355mm front and 335mm rear discs although the car is 400kg heavier!
Transmission and electronic aids
575M Maranello has just beaten Enzo as Ferrari’s first V12 car equipped with the sequential-shift F1 gearbox, but Enzo’s version shifts quicker. At the fastest mode it shifts in 150ms, same as 360 F1 and 70ms quicker than 575M. Again, the gearbox is based on a 6-speed manual and added by electrohydraulic clutch. Shift is again activated by paddles mounted at steering column, but now the buttons for selecting different modes (Sport / Race / Reverse) are mounted on steering wheels for faster access.
In fact, the Sport and Race mode also change the characteristic of adaptive damping (of course, harder for Race) and ASR traction control (i.e., less intervention in case of Race). There is another mode - No ASR, which disable traction control completely. If you select Race mode and No ASR mode simultaneously, you can even enjoy the F1-inspired Launch Control. Just press and hold the brake pedal while applying throttle, then release the brake pedal and the computer will engage the twin-plate clutch automatically in the way to optimize launching.
With ABS, ASR, Launch Control, F1 gearbox and adaptive damping, the Enzo Ferrari is hardly a stripped-out supercar.
Weight and Performance
Enzo is quite large by supercar standard. It is longer than the big Lambo Murcielago and nearly as wide, hence far larger than McLaren F1. (see below for comparison among them)
Kerb weight is 1345kg, considerably heavier than expected. Even dry weight is still 1255kg, equals to Zonda but far off from the 1100kg F40 and 1138kg McLaren. This explain why Ferrari claims it need 3.65 seconds for 0-100kph, which roughly equals to 3.55 seconds for 0-60mph. Don’t think of beating McLaren’s record of 3.2 seconds!
Top speed is also unlikely to match the McLaren’s all-time record of 240mph. Although the Ferrari has an advantage of 33hp, its aerodynamic drag is likely to be considerably worse (higher drag coefficient and larger frontal area). Anyway, in real world driving the Ferrari must be superior to handle.
Cockpit
You have already known these: gullwing doors, carbon-fiber racing buckets, just don’t know how the cockpit look. See Enzo Ferrari Gallery for the first official pictures showing its interior. It looks quite good!
Specifications
Model Enzo Ferrari
Layout Mid-engined, Rwd
Size (L / W / H / WB) mm 4702 / 2035 / 1147 / 2650
Engine V12, dohc, 4v/cyl, variable intake,
continous VVT at inlet and exhaust.
Capacity 5998 c.c.
Power 660 hp @7800rpm
Torque 485 lbft @5500rpm
Transmission 6-speed F1 sequential
Suspensions All: double wishbones; adaptive damping.
Tyres F: 245/35 ZR19; R: 345/35 ZR19
Weight Dry weight: 1255 kg
Kerb weight: 1345 kg
Top speed 217mph+ (claimed)
0-60 mph 3.55 sec (claimed)
No. to be produced 349 units
Comparison
McLaren F1 Zonda C12S Murcielago F60
Length (mm) 4288 4345 4580 4702
Width (mm) 1820 1933 2045 2035
Height (mm) 1140 1151 1135 1147
Wheelbase (mm) 2718 2730 2665 2650
Dry weight 1138 kg 1250 kg 1650 kg 1255 kg
Engine V12 by BMW V12 by AMG V12 by Lambo V12 by Ferrari
Displacement 6064 c.c. 7291 c.c. 6192 c.c. 5998 c.c.
Power 627 hp 555 hp 580 hp 660 hp
Torque 479 lbft 553 lbft 479 lbft 485 lbft
Top speed 240 mph 220 mph 205 mph 217mph+
0-60mph 3.2 sec 3.6 sec 3.8 sec 3.55 sec
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo6.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo_eng.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo_door3.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/Enzo_door.jpg
KCT
07-10-2002, 11:24 AM
http://www.kwmotori.kataweb.it/kwmotori/getimage.jsp?idImage=104679
I like this angle:cool:
I like this angle:cool:
S Brake
07-10-2002, 02:44 PM
I heard that they were going to call it the Enzo Ferrari but they thought it would be a little wierd to call it the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari so they just shortened it to the Enzo, thus the Ferrari Enzo. Thats just what i heard though.
KCT
07-10-2002, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by snowboarder
I heard that they were going to call it the Enzo Ferrari but they thought it would be a little wierd to call it the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari so they just shortened it to the Enzo, thus the Ferrari Enzo. Thats just what i heard though.
Ferrari Enzo its ok(Because Ferrari made by Enzo), now "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" its strange,no?:bloated:
I heard that they were going to call it the Enzo Ferrari but they thought it would be a little wierd to call it the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari so they just shortened it to the Enzo, thus the Ferrari Enzo. Thats just what i heard though.
Ferrari Enzo its ok(Because Ferrari made by Enzo), now "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" its strange,no?:bloated:
KCT
07-10-2002, 04:45 PM
m3mark
07-10-2002, 05:41 PM
Omg that car is :badass: .How many of them are being made?? B.t.w I just want to tell you, hermunn123 u always post some kick ass stuff. Thanks for this 1 :) . M power
Pennzoil GT-R
07-11-2002, 02:15 PM
they are going to make 349 Ferrari Enzo's to be released at the Paris motorshow (might take the eurotunnel to see that one). i take it the car will only be hardtop unlike the F50? I cant wait to see what tuners like Koenig will do with this (anyone see the mental Koenig F50?), and also the prospect of a GT version.
crayzayjay
07-12-2002, 10:06 AM
No doubt it will go like stink, but that is one ugly Ferrari IMHO
Pennzoil GT-R
07-12-2002, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
No doubt it will go like stink, but that is one ugly Ferrari IMHO
i agree with you there, although the design is like that for aerodynamics and to eliminate the need for a drag increasing rear wing. personally id rather have a nice looking car with a rear wing
No doubt it will go like stink, but that is one ugly Ferrari IMHO
i agree with you there, although the design is like that for aerodynamics and to eliminate the need for a drag increasing rear wing. personally id rather have a nice looking car with a rear wing
crayzayjay
07-12-2002, 01:02 PM
personally id rather have a nice looking car with a rear wing
ditto
ditto
hermunn123
07-13-2002, 12:16 AM
thanks m3mark:)
they are calling it the Enzo Ferrari or more simply the Enzo.
Ferrari Enzo Ferrari would sound rather dumb.
i'm also assuming it will only be hardtop(good!). the F50, however, did have a removable targa top. i didn't think that was a very smart idea by Ferrari.
http://www.rapidcars.com/f50523.jpg
more pictures: :)
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo_big2.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo_dash.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo_cabin.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo3.jpg
they are calling it the Enzo Ferrari or more simply the Enzo.
Ferrari Enzo Ferrari would sound rather dumb.
i'm also assuming it will only be hardtop(good!). the F50, however, did have a removable targa top. i didn't think that was a very smart idea by Ferrari.
http://www.rapidcars.com/f50523.jpg
more pictures: :)
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo_big2.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo_dash.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo_cabin.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/ferrari/Enzo3.jpg
Porsche
07-13-2002, 01:42 AM
:eek: Oooh, that car is looking better every time I see it, especially the interior, one of the best IMO. I mean red faced gauges! Come on!
Pennzoil GT-R
07-13-2002, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Porsche
:eek: Oooh, that car is looking better every time I see it, especially the interior, one of the best IMO. I mean red faced gauges! Come on!
where did u get interior pictures from? what site are they on cos i cant find many pictures anywhere of the enzo
and looking at the interior picture it looks like the door forms part of the roof when closed, makin it pretty impossible to make it a convertible:D
:eek: Oooh, that car is looking better every time I see it, especially the interior, one of the best IMO. I mean red faced gauges! Come on!
where did u get interior pictures from? what site are they on cos i cant find many pictures anywhere of the enzo
and looking at the interior picture it looks like the door forms part of the roof when closed, makin it pretty impossible to make it a convertible:D
crayzayjay
07-14-2002, 08:39 AM
Just to confirm, the Enzo, officially known as the "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" will only be made in coupé form. (Source: Autocar mag)
Porsche
07-14-2002, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
"Ferrari Enzo Ferrari"
I'll be sure to race one in my Porsche Ferdinand Porsche. WTF is with the name?
"Ferrari Enzo Ferrari"
I'll be sure to race one in my Porsche Ferdinand Porsche. WTF is with the name?
Pennzoil GT-R
07-14-2002, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Porsche
WTF is with the name?
it is in honour of their founder, because of the anniversary of Ferrari's founding (50 years or somet like that, i neva was any good at history)
WTF is with the name?
it is in honour of their founder, because of the anniversary of Ferrari's founding (50 years or somet like that, i neva was any good at history)
crayzayjay
07-14-2002, 04:52 PM
I think the F50 was built to celebrate the 50 years of Ferrari (hence the name).. They must have called it Enzo to commemorate the founder of Ferrari, simple as that :confused:
hermunn123
07-14-2002, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Porsche
I'll be sure to race one in my Porsche Ferdinand Porsche. WTF is with the name?
and i'm 99% sure that the name is the Enzo Ferrari(or just Enzo). not the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. think about it.... Ferrari Enzo Ferrari? how gay is that?
I'll be sure to race one in my Porsche Ferdinand Porsche. WTF is with the name?
and i'm 99% sure that the name is the Enzo Ferrari(or just Enzo). not the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. think about it.... Ferrari Enzo Ferrari? how gay is that?
|Banchi1O5|
07-15-2002, 12:15 AM
i agree that its ugly
nothing still quite says "supercar" like the f50 :)
nothing still quite says "supercar" like the f50 :)
Pennzoil GT-R
07-15-2002, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
I think the F50 was built to celebrate the 50 years of Ferrari (hence the name).. They must have called it Enzo to commemorate the founder of Ferrari, simple as that :confused:
i dunno really, i just know its an anniversary of something to do with Enzo Ferrari, mite be his death, his birth, i dunno what though
I think the F50 was built to celebrate the 50 years of Ferrari (hence the name).. They must have called it Enzo to commemorate the founder of Ferrari, simple as that :confused:
i dunno really, i just know its an anniversary of something to do with Enzo Ferrari, mite be his death, his birth, i dunno what though
hermunn123
07-15-2002, 02:48 PM
i'm with crazayjay on this one. i think they called it Enzo just to commemorate its founder. i don't think there is an anniversary of any date.
KCT
07-16-2002, 04:50 PM
“Ferrari is a company whose characteristics have more in common with a luxury goods company than with a car firm, given its limited production, exclusivity, attention to its image and its emotional relationship with its customers. “We can say that we have reached the very top. A cycle is complete, both in terms of a renewed range of road cars and in terms of success in F1. In 2001, Ferrari and Maserati sold a total of 6158 cars. Looking at the accounts, the net position in 2001 is 172 million Euro, compared with 130 in 2000. Total sales for 2001 amounted to 1058 million Euro compared with 893 in 2000. We will talk about the future when the time is right, but looking at the first 5 months of 2002, the predictions are for even better results. In F1, we have won the Constructors’ Championship since 1999 and, for the past two years, we have also won the Drivers’ title,” said Montezemolo. “However, Ferrari went through some difficult years while we restructured. Therefore, we know very well the value of hard work and sacrifice and we know it could all happen again, but we are prepared to meet that possibility, both in material terms and psychologically, with the determination which has always characterised our approach.
“Five years ago, when we started working on the Formula Uomo project, we were not thinking of the Stock Markets, but in any case our plans do not change, even with the acquisition of 34% of Ferrari by Mediobanca. The quotation will simply take a bit longer and it will not happen before the end of this year. I am really happy that Ferrari managed to satisfy Fiat at this particular moment which I am sure will be overcome,” continued Montezemolo. “The acquisition price is in line with the values indicated this week by the three banks with which we have been working recently; Deutsche Bank, Unicredito and Banca Intesa. I would like to thank them for their excellent work, given that it will be the key to the future quotation. “I would also like to welcome our new shareholder, Mediobanca and point out that
Ferrari will always do its utmost for its shareholders. “The financial resources will serve for development,” added Montezemolo. “But Fiat has stated that come what may, it will maintain 51% of Ferrari. This in no way changes our plans which are totally self-financed.”
President Montezemolo ended with two special words of thanks: “To our workforce, which has always worked with, determination, strength and unity and to Avvocato Agnelli, who has always shown us courage and unwavering faith and has shown patience in waiting for our objectives to be reached."
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“Five years ago, when we started working on the Formula Uomo project, we were not thinking of the Stock Markets, but in any case our plans do not change, even with the acquisition of 34% of Ferrari by Mediobanca. The quotation will simply take a bit longer and it will not happen before the end of this year. I am really happy that Ferrari managed to satisfy Fiat at this particular moment which I am sure will be overcome,” continued Montezemolo. “The acquisition price is in line with the values indicated this week by the three banks with which we have been working recently; Deutsche Bank, Unicredito and Banca Intesa. I would like to thank them for their excellent work, given that it will be the key to the future quotation. “I would also like to welcome our new shareholder, Mediobanca and point out that
Ferrari will always do its utmost for its shareholders. “The financial resources will serve for development,” added Montezemolo. “But Fiat has stated that come what may, it will maintain 51% of Ferrari. This in no way changes our plans which are totally self-financed.”
President Montezemolo ended with two special words of thanks: “To our workforce, which has always worked with, determination, strength and unity and to Avvocato Agnelli, who has always shown us courage and unwavering faith and has shown patience in waiting for our objectives to be reached."
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Porsche
07-20-2002, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by hermunn123
and i'm 99% sure that the name is the Enzo Ferrari(or just Enzo). not the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. think about it.... Ferrari Enzo Ferrari? how gay is that?
Finally, somebody understood my point.
and i'm 99% sure that the name is the Enzo Ferrari(or just Enzo). not the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. think about it.... Ferrari Enzo Ferrari? how gay is that?
Finally, somebody understood my point.
Chris
08-19-2002, 02:04 AM
The name is Enzo Ferrari. So, it is the Ferrari 'Enzo Ferrari', just like an Impala is a Chevrolet 'Impala'. Of course, everyone calls it the "Enzo".
Now, my rant:mad:
What is the point of making this car so goddamn heavy. My moms grandam has similiar dimensions (except taller and narrower). It weights 3150lbs. It has 5 seats, a trunk, a stereo, some luxury features (well, comfortable is more like it). It also has steel disc brakes, not the fancy ones Ferrari uses. It has a metal body and steel frame, not carbon fiber, kevlar, and aluminum. Granted, its engine is smaller, but it is made of iron and steel, and its hooked to an automatic, which is quite heavy. It also has lots of thick, heavy glass. Oh, and it cost about $19000 when new.
So why the fuck is this "Ultimate Ferrari" 3000lbs:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
It is made of the most advanced materials known, it probably has a smaller volume than the Grandam. It has 2 lightweight seats, and no stereo. It has amazing brakes that are super light.. So, where's the beef???? Why can't supercar makers make their cars light, then you wouldn't need to spend so much time engineering it, it would inherently handle better.
I think Ferrari should take notes from YES and Lotus. Slap that V12 in an elise, and it would be under 2000lbs still. That would be a supercar. All in all, I am very dissapointed.
PS, people generally don't find fat ladies attractive, but seem to be drawn to obese vehicles.
PSS: *Braces for the Flames*
Now, my rant:mad:
What is the point of making this car so goddamn heavy. My moms grandam has similiar dimensions (except taller and narrower). It weights 3150lbs. It has 5 seats, a trunk, a stereo, some luxury features (well, comfortable is more like it). It also has steel disc brakes, not the fancy ones Ferrari uses. It has a metal body and steel frame, not carbon fiber, kevlar, and aluminum. Granted, its engine is smaller, but it is made of iron and steel, and its hooked to an automatic, which is quite heavy. It also has lots of thick, heavy glass. Oh, and it cost about $19000 when new.
So why the fuck is this "Ultimate Ferrari" 3000lbs:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
It is made of the most advanced materials known, it probably has a smaller volume than the Grandam. It has 2 lightweight seats, and no stereo. It has amazing brakes that are super light.. So, where's the beef???? Why can't supercar makers make their cars light, then you wouldn't need to spend so much time engineering it, it would inherently handle better.
I think Ferrari should take notes from YES and Lotus. Slap that V12 in an elise, and it would be under 2000lbs still. That would be a supercar. All in all, I am very dissapointed.
PS, people generally don't find fat ladies attractive, but seem to be drawn to obese vehicles.
PSS: *Braces for the Flames*
Pennzoil GT-R
08-19-2002, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by Chris
Now, my rant:mad:
What is the point of making this car so goddamn heavy. My moms grandam has similiar dimensions (except taller and narrower). It weights 3150lbs. It has 5 seats, a trunk, a stereo, some luxury features (well, comfortable is more like it). It also has steel disc brakes, not the fancy ones Ferrari uses. It has a metal body and steel frame, not carbon fiber, kevlar, and aluminum. Granted, its engine is smaller, but it is made of iron and steel, and its hooked to an automatic, which is quite heavy. It also has lots of thick, heavy glass. Oh, and it cost about $19000 when new.
So why the fuck is this "Ultimate Ferrari" 3000lbs:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
It is made of the most advanced materials known, it probably has a smaller volume than the Grandam. It has 2 lightweight seats, and no stereo. It has amazing brakes that are super light.. So, where's the beef???? Why can't supercar makers make their cars light, then you wouldn't need to spend so much time engineering it, it would inherently handle better.
I think Ferrari should take notes from YES and Lotus. Slap that V12 in an elise, and it would be under 2000lbs still. That would be a supercar. All in all, I am very dissapointed.
PS, people generally don't find fat ladies attractive, but seem to be drawn to obese vehicles.
PSS: *Braces for the Flames*
its body creates downforce, so it makes up for any weight with downforce in handling. the engine is powerful enough, and Ferrari are more concerned with driver appeal than straight line speed anyway. This car has an incredibly high 1.36 (i think) lateral G rating and also has excellent handling charachteristics.
Now, my rant:mad:
What is the point of making this car so goddamn heavy. My moms grandam has similiar dimensions (except taller and narrower). It weights 3150lbs. It has 5 seats, a trunk, a stereo, some luxury features (well, comfortable is more like it). It also has steel disc brakes, not the fancy ones Ferrari uses. It has a metal body and steel frame, not carbon fiber, kevlar, and aluminum. Granted, its engine is smaller, but it is made of iron and steel, and its hooked to an automatic, which is quite heavy. It also has lots of thick, heavy glass. Oh, and it cost about $19000 when new.
So why the fuck is this "Ultimate Ferrari" 3000lbs:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
It is made of the most advanced materials known, it probably has a smaller volume than the Grandam. It has 2 lightweight seats, and no stereo. It has amazing brakes that are super light.. So, where's the beef???? Why can't supercar makers make their cars light, then you wouldn't need to spend so much time engineering it, it would inherently handle better.
I think Ferrari should take notes from YES and Lotus. Slap that V12 in an elise, and it would be under 2000lbs still. That would be a supercar. All in all, I am very dissapointed.
PS, people generally don't find fat ladies attractive, but seem to be drawn to obese vehicles.
PSS: *Braces for the Flames*
its body creates downforce, so it makes up for any weight with downforce in handling. the engine is powerful enough, and Ferrari are more concerned with driver appeal than straight line speed anyway. This car has an incredibly high 1.36 (i think) lateral G rating and also has excellent handling charachteristics.
crayzayjay
09-01-2002, 12:13 PM
It's relatively heavy because unlike a grandam, its body structure has to be capable of withstanding extreme forces and therefore has to be supremely reinforced. It could have been lighter with the use of more exotic materials, but Ferrari weren't working on a no-expense-spared basis like McLaren were with the F1.
Also, modern crash test legislations and emissions requirements are forcing cars to get heavier and heavier each year. At 1365kg, Ferrari still did miss their target of 1300kg, but with 650bhp i dont think the Enzo is a slouch ;)
Also, modern crash test legislations and emissions requirements are forcing cars to get heavier and heavier each year. At 1365kg, Ferrari still did miss their target of 1300kg, but with 650bhp i dont think the Enzo is a slouch ;)
Menu dei Motori
09-17-2002, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by hermunn123
and i'm 99% sure that the name is the Enzo Ferrari(or just Enzo). not the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. think about it.... Ferrari Enzo Ferrari? how gay is that?
name: Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
gay name
but not a gay car ;)
and i'm 99% sure that the name is the Enzo Ferrari(or just Enzo). not the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. think about it.... Ferrari Enzo Ferrari? how gay is that?
name: Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
gay name
but not a gay car ;)
Chris
09-17-2002, 06:53 PM
I was thinking about your post for awhile, CrazayJay. Then I thought about the front wings of an F1 car. They are held on by 2 little strips of material. They also generate tremoundous downforce, and hence, are under extreme pressure. The rest of the car also has to endure super extreme pressure, and they are light (yes, they are smaller). And the law of diminishing returns says that you could get close to the same strength for a lot less $$$$$, so the F60 could be made really well.
I am just upset that all these "super cars" are so heavy. Make them smaller if you have to, just lose some weight. Thats all I want:cry:
I am just upset that all these "super cars" are so heavy. Make them smaller if you have to, just lose some weight. Thats all I want:cry:
Menu dei Motori
09-18-2002, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by Chris
I am just upset that all these "super cars" are so heavy. Make them smaller if you have to, just lose some weight. Thats all I want:cry:
like a lotus with more power?? :)
I am just upset that all these "super cars" are so heavy. Make them smaller if you have to, just lose some weight. Thats all I want:cry:
like a lotus with more power?? :)
Chris
09-18-2002, 11:59 AM
Yes. An Elise weighs about 1800lbs, and the 340R is even lighter. It is plenty strong for what it does, and super fast. It would need some more strength to cope with the extra power, but its materials would be turned into carbon fiber, kevlar, and aluminum honeycomb, getting some of the weight back. And when you look at the Enzo from a lower top, you get a real sense of hugeness (The October Road and Track)
Menu dei Motori
09-19-2002, 08:33 AM
1800 lbs :confused: how much is that in "kg" ........ sorry
crayzayjay
09-19-2002, 11:30 PM
its 2.2 pounds to the kilogram...
so 1800lbs = 818kg
so 1800lbs = 818kg
Menu dei Motori
09-20-2002, 06:28 AM
well thanks a lot!
:) we don´t learn this stuff at german schools
but many other crazy things :bloated:
:) we don´t learn this stuff at german schools
but many other crazy things :bloated:
Chris
09-20-2002, 10:35 PM
Yeah, while we learn in KG (which is easier and better than pounds), when it comes to cars, I still think in pounds, because of the DAMN AMERICANS!!!!!:D
crayzayjay
09-25-2002, 10:24 PM
From my experience, all schools teach crazy things :D
S Brake
09-25-2002, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Chris
Yeah, while we learn in KG (which is easier and better than pounds), when it comes to cars, I still think in pounds, because of the DAMN AMERICANS!!!!!:D j00r a hat0r!
Yeah, while we learn in KG (which is easier and better than pounds), when it comes to cars, I still think in pounds, because of the DAMN AMERICANS!!!!!:D j00r a hat0r!
Menu dei Motori
10-06-2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
From my experience, all schools teach crazy things :D
yea !!! :)
From my experience, all schools teach crazy things :D
yea !!! :)
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