Paul Stewart's F1 is apparently chassis #023

This was originally a tangent in the Silverstone 97 pic thread, but I thought that was kind of rude so I separated it.

For anyone who didn't pick up on it over at PistonHeads, it turns out that Paul Stewart's silver F1 road car with the High Downforce Kit is chassis #023.

023 1994, 23rd car built, British Racing Green

Shame to hear that the only British Racing Green F1 would have been repainted silver of all colors. :rolleyes: :disappoin

Not that silver is a bad color for the F1, but there were enough silver F1s to begin with. Couldn't the owner who ordered the refit have chosen a silver car to begin with? :dunno:

>8^)
ER

BTW: Totally off topic, but for anyone who didn't pick up on it over at PistonHeads, it turns out that Paul Stewart's silver F1 road car with the High Downforce Kit is chassis #023

Can you add the link to the specific page?........Is the info credible?

I believe the info is credible - it comes from someone who claims to be the car's previous owner. Somewhat humorously he was confused as to whether the chassis number was #023 or #027 initially. Since they never made a chassis #027 and #023 was originally green as he claimed, that pretty much seals it for me.

I'll try to find the link, but it was in that huge ~40 page flemke thread.

EDIT: Here's the link: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=9&f=23&t=226933&h=0

Look for the first post on the page from Master H and continue on from there. Liam Howlett owned this car prior to Paul Stewart, so I'd venture to guess that's him posting over there. :cool:

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ER

Interesting, thanks.

Flemke mentions someone putting an F1 into the Armco at 205mph, do you think it was Thomas Bscher? Flemke also says that the person he bought the car from is on his fifth F1, but only ever owned two simultaneously, and that was for just a brief period. I am thinking it probably is Bscher? Except we know that Bscher currently owns two, so it can't be him...grrr, this is maddening, but very enjoyable.

I wish, whoever it was would post on this board or on Pistonheads. Between him, Flemke, and Mr. Selldorff, we would really learn a lot. Especially if one of them was at the heart of all the racing, as Mr. Bscher obviously was.

F1 Monster, The name Bernd Hahne, is the possible owner that you are looking for. He is a wealthy german business man, owner of a ferrari & maserati dealership. First owner of 040,(correct me if I am wrong) when it was mag/silver with high mirrors and highly polished std wheels. I have vhs tape of him at Nurburgring (GP circuit) driving 040 on Auto motor und sport (German tv channel Vox). He is also a competent racer, racing in the ferrari/maserati challenge series, against the likes of Thomas Bscher & co.

Awesome, I had never heard of him. Thanks!

That's two McLarens we can scratch off our list now...the Dawes car and this one. Do you know the chassis number of the car that got destroyed at 205mph?

Also, can you post that video on the web, or send me a copy on DVD, if it's worth watching? How long is it? Thanks!!!

F1 Monster, The name Bernd Hahne, is the possible owner that you are looking for. He is a wealthy german business man, owner of a ferrari & maserati dealership. First owner of 040,(correct me if I am wrong) when it was mag/silver with high mirrors and highly polished std wheels.

You sir, are my favorite new member. :grinyes: :thumbsup:

http://a1.cpimg.com/image/11/8C/48112401-6189-01D20127-.jpg

Even the driver looks familiar... ;)

http://www.berndhahne.de

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ER

if i remember correctly, the silver f1 with high mirrors and polished rims had british license plates, they were black, but british, as written in a magazine i read years ago...

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F1 Monster, Just been watching the video, its 3 minutes long. Pit garage shots with on track action, video quality not 100% though, but still interesting to watch. BMW V12 you are correct about the licence plates, rear has GB in bottom right hand corner.

Eric, That,s certainly the car, with Mr Hahne driving, he is also in the video. sorry to take your thread a little of track. But I found another video, when Eurosport visited McLaren Cars in 96. its 2 minutes long and shows six chassis in biuld. These are as follows.

049 mag/silver complete, 048 brilliant metallic blue, both complete.

052 dark blue mica, 055 mag/silver, near completion.

060 yellow monocoque start biuld, and 057 silver bare monocoque.

(Chassis info from DA) Anyone got pics of 048, please post.

F1 Monster, At present I do not have the hardware to transfer the video to dvd, but please bare with me, as it is on my jobs to do list. Once this is done . I shall share with everybody here. (Also on a more sombre note, I found regional news footage, about the Dawes crash, showing the burn,t out wreckage of his F1, A very sad incident).

Yup, colossal loss when you consider that 3 lives were ended abruptly, and also a sad demise for a very special car.

LM, are you aware of which chassis was the one that was backed into an Armco barrier and written off? A while ago someone (was it you, I don't remember?) was selling a wall placque from McLaren that had the chassis numbers and histories listed--if it was you, and you still it or a copy of it, would you mind looking this up?

Also, I just thought of something, and this is not aimed at just you, LM...:)
If you need to transfer VHS to digital format, and don't have a video capture card, or a DVD to VHS recorder/burner, you can use a digital video camera to simply tape the picture as it is playing on a nice screen (try to record it on a flat screen, not an older "fish-bowl" type of display), and then you can transfer it to your PC and upload to google videos or wherever.

I have never tried this, so I don't know what kind of quality you are going to end up with, or how much video editing it will need after all is said and done, it may be quick and dirty, but it will also be effective.

You could even tape it with a mobile phone video camera--we are so obsessed with the F1 that I think as a stopgap method for sharing via the web, even that would be well-received!!!

Yes, A very sad incident indeed.

As for the chassis no of the 205 mph crash car. I have not got a clue.

I definitely do not own the wall plaque, that was on Ebay a while ago. If the owner of it lurks here, maybe they should come forward with the info.

I shall try to post you some form of pics or video footage as a temporary measure of the vox video.

...BMW V12 you are correct about the licence plates, rear has GB in bottom right hand corner....


are you sure that this german guy was the first owner of this car? when you look at the photo which peloton25 posted, you can slightly see that it still wears this plates while he is driving it....

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Possibly they were put on for delivery? I am 100% sure he is the first owner, because GM admitted as much to Peloton and tvrfreak when he mentioned that whoever crashed the car ordered a brand new replacement. And since he has had five(!), I very much doubt he is the kind to buy a used roadcar. A racecar, sure, especially one with history. But not a "regular" roadcar.

Well there's one small problem here with the previous ownership details on #040 that hopefully someone can clear up

The current owner (flemke) confirmed in that PistonHeads thread that his car belonged to someone with the initials H.S. and added "To my knowledge the man has no public profile." which rules out Bernd Hahne.

Bernd may have been the original owner of the car though - and that certainly appears to be him in the photo of the silver car with high mirrors and polished wheels that I posted.

I can't recall if flemke has ever stated that he purchased the car from its original owner though. If so we have a real problem... :dunno:

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ER

Hi BMW V12, I did state, " Is the possible owner" and "First owner of 040,(correct me if I am wrong)". Maybe you could be so kind as to email Mr Hahne. To find out his connection with this car (040). Danke.

F1 Monster, Here is a few pics of the video. Sorry about the crap quality, but you get some weird results, when you take pics of the telly.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1542/p31900753vt.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p31900753vt.jpg) http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6464/p31900773ad.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p31900773ad.jpg) http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2488/p31900942qi.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p31900942qi.jpg)

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4299/p31901001st.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p31901001st.jpg) http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6721/p31901096pc.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p31901096pc.jpg) http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8286/p31901257nu.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p31901257nu.jpg)

thanks for the vidcaps...

i don't know if there is any connection between him and the car with the high mirrors and polished rims (i don't know if it's even #040)....the reason why you see him behind the wheel of this car is because he tested it for AutoWelt 1/97 against the F50 and wrote the article about it, it says text: Hahne under the article...

"Der Mann gefällt mir, denn er zahlt auch jährlich 20 Pfund Sterling Strafe dafür, dass das (englische) hintere kennzeichen nicht gelb, sondern schwarz ist." is one quotation of this article...

translation: i like the man, because he pays a 20-pound-penalty each year, because the british rear license plate is black and not yellow.

i don't know the truth, it's just speculation...

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Very interesting BMW V12, As Mr Hahne is a true car enthusiast, I am sure he will respond to a very polite email, (my German, is not very good). Danke.

Hallo and greets from Germany...

I found a link from here to Mr. Hahne´s website...so perhaps i should give some answers:

Mr. Hahne dosn´t own a McLAren F1 but he drives a lot of classic cars for their owners in historic racing - And he wins... on the tricky "Nordschleife"

Mr. Hahne is a represantant of Ferrari and Maserati, but dosen´t own a garage. Of course you can buy a car !

We will answer every question - just use the mail-adress on the personal website. He will answer !

Cheers Klaus ( webmaster http://www.berndhahne.de )

Thankyou for responding Klaus, It is very kind of you to reply.

I will forward an email with my questions soon.

Excuse my ignorance, but is this Paul Stewart Jackie Stewart's son? Just curious.

Also, I also think it's a shame that it's not BRG anymore. At least one F1 should be.

Excuse my ignorance, but is this Paul Stewart Jackie Stewart's son? Just curious.

Nah, its not ignorance, just un-tapped curiosity! :lol: and yes, he is Jackie's son

As for the colour - i know what you mean - oh look another silver one....:rolleyes:

Mind you, if i were given a silver one, i wouldnt say no :naughty:

If I were buying one, silver would be my first choice (although that darker gray is nice too); but my second one might well be BRG. Something commemorating the McLaren plaid might also be nice (or Scottish blue perhaps?).

Silver would be your first choice? Why? It's sooooo boring!

And what blue is Scottish blue? Light, medium, or dark?

Yeah, I guess it's the obvious choice, but it does look very good. Heck, if I had the bucks, I'd have a BRG one, a silver one, and a black one; but funds are low right now! Scottish blue is a bit lighter than navy blue but not light per se. I guess medium would cover it. I picture it as the color on the Scottish flag.

What would you choose?

Metallic black with a lot of gloss. Nice and simple, and if a McLaren could be understated, this would be it.

I do like the following colors as well:
Candy apple red with black interior.
Navy blue with tan/brown interior.
Orange.

All on HDF cars where the black wheels and spoiler and front lip set off the colors nicely. On the blue car, I would have the polished silver wheels, though. I think they are called a satin finish. I definitely wouldn't ever put chrome on a McLaren.

Found another pic of this F1 on ExoticSpotter.com - Spotted in Milton Keynes, so could have been on his way home from Silverstone?...........

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6714/023r9ob.th.jpg (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=023r9ob.jpg)

:)

If you have seem this yet this was taken at Silverstone F1 testing day i went to.

http://image50.webshots.com/150/1/55/85/2952155850048036277EtIIdg_fs.jpg

tak43

Found another pic of this F1 on ExoticSpotter.com - Spotted in Milton Keynes, so could have been on his way home from Silverstone?...........

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6714/023r9ob.th.jpg (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=023r9ob.jpg)

:)

Hi People,

It was me that took this pic & spoke to Paul a few weeks ago.

Could not beleive my eyes!!!!

He lives in Woburn so was prop out for a quick spin. Sounded amazing.

Rob

I am still sticking to the theme of 'if you remember a Thread on a car and you have new info / new pics on it, try to find it and add to it rather than making a new one' so here is a new pic (to me at least) of #023

http://img125.imagevenue.com/loc528/th_58336_157453928_c16fb3c2f0_b_122_528lo.jpg (http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58336_157453928_c16fb3c2f0_b_122_528 lo.jpg)

Enjoy!!

Excellent :)

where is the car now ? In UK ?

Phil

The photographer claims he found the car "parked in south kensington." It was taken on May 31, 2006. That's all the information there was with the image.

I think it was mentioned somewhere that this car was sold. If so, who knows where it ended up. :dunno:

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ER

The photographer claims he found the car "parked in south kensington." It was taken on May 31, 2006. That's all the information there was with the image.

You mean Kensington in Londond ? If yes, is it a public parking ???

Phil

You mean Kensington in Londond ? If yes, is it a public parking ???

Phil

It looks a bit posh for an NCP car park - could be a private underground garage in Chelsea, Mayfair or somewhere equally as posh

edit - DOH perhaps its South Kensington!!...

I apologize,

I post this whithou see the pic today. It seems to be private, so why only one pic ???
And there is a stair behind with a door maybe opened on the outside, so the ground of a Victorian house ?

I know, I have imagination :)

Phil

Interesting an HDF kitted car with the standard wheels.

It's the only one I have seen like that.

If you look closely you'll see that the nose piece doesn't have the wheel arch extensions like all the other HDF Kits and thus the front splitter is narrower than others as well.

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ER

Another spot - this time in Richmond apparently (sorry about the poor pic....)

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4396/1755333504247fe4de7obb4.th.jpg (http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1755333504247fe4de7obb4.jpg)

I have a feeling thats the new Coys building that got moved from Kensington to Richmond. I am going to England in April so i will be sure to check it out and confirm if nobody has done so before then

Ok. I'm 99% certain the 1st pic was taken at Coys in London. Here is a pic i took there 2 summers ago. Note the floor and stairs

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6853/dsc8068resizewp7.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8068resizewp7.jpg)

Ok. I'm 99% certain the 1st pic was taken at Coys in London. Here is a pic i took there 2 summers ago. Note the floor and stairs

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6853/dsc8068resizewp7.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8068resizewp7.jpg)

Good spot!! Looks like the same place, and as you say Coys has moved to Richmond....Just checked out their webpage but no #023 on there....mind you the photo was apparently taken in 2005......

Bravo for the investigation :)

Where is Richmond ? far from London ?
It would be cool to know where the car is today.

Phil

It has recently been seen spotted at Verdi's, a ferrari dealership over here in the UK
http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc917/th_60224_287254-2_122_917lo.jpg (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=60224_287254-2_122_917lo.jpg)

Here are some pics of it inside Verdi's



http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc206/th_47012_IMG_0627_122_206lo.JPG (http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47012_IMG_0627_122_206lo.JPG) http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc1043/th_47023_IMG_0633_122_1043lo.JPG (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47023_IMG_0633_122_1043lo.JPG) http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc608/th_47040_IMG_0642_122_608lo.JPG (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47040_IMG_0642_122_608lo.JPG) http://img217.imagevenue.com/loc214/th_47046_IMG_0646_122_214lo.JPG (http://img217.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47046_IMG_0646_122_214lo.JPG)