5 cars you hate the most

no particular reasoning, i am just not fond of these few. in some cases it has more to do with the typical driver-type ive found has them and less to do with the car itself
1. neon
2. volkswagens (gti i guess specifically)
3. camaro
4. cavalier
5. scion xb

1. honda ridgeline
2. chevy avalanche
3. hummer h2
4. honda element
5. pretty much any ricer

1. Mustang
2.Camaro
3.celica
4.trans am
5.Any riced out civics

1. Honda Element
2. Cadilliac Escalade
3. Scion xB
4. Hummer H2-H3
5. Ford Focus

All ridiculous cars!

fantastic reasoning boys.
nice to see so many good arguments and educated opinions on such matters.
keep up the good work.

Nice contribution, yourself.

In no particular order:

- Scion (all of 'em)
- Hyundai (all of 'em...most notably the Tiburon)
- Honda Element
- Any Chevy (current gen) that isn't the Corvette or a real Truck (the SSR is lame...good idea, horrible execution)
- Any Hummer that isn't the original

Dis-honorable Mention: Any car with an unpainted body-kit on it.

I know I'm about to really piss some people off.

Viper (I think it's the most over-rated car ever, the only reason it's able to stay ahead of most of the competition is because it has two extra cylinders and a good 3-4 liter advantage)

Eclipse (I see these things acting all bad ass and all, trying to take on Corvettes and crap, take a hint)

SSR (Corvette wanna-be with an un-usable bed)

Harly Davidson F-150 (what's the point of paying extra for that little emblem and then thinking that little emblem means the same as having SVT, SRT, or SS on the side?)

EVO (I could only take so much from kids saying how it kicked the shit out of that Yenko)

Now here is one I really like. I use to think it was a cool car but then I hated it due to the fan base that seemed to follow it. I then decided "fuck them" and realized that's with any car so I don't feel that way about it anymore and hopefully might be able to get one someday. That car is the Supra.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=489186


And again...

funny you people mention the mustang...

And again...

I know what you're saying Chris. Why not learn to love a good car for a good car? Well...I'm trying. I've come around on the Supra, Skyline, and STi. The Charger I no longer hate and I just have no opinion for it now. There are those few though I just can't find to like.

Chris, I understand what you're saying and for the most part agree, BUT....


There are just some cars that do thier intended purpose really badly, cars like:

The Nissan Skyline GTS: The car was supposed to be a cross between a luxury and a sports car, but came away with the comfort of a sports car and the performance of a luxury car. Poor weight distribution, no interior space and a weezy and pathetic standard engine, can't even shake off an SOHC Honda Accord.

The Nissan Serena- Unsafe, slow, unreliable, ugly, too narrow to be comfortable, unstable, the list of "uns" could go on

Lada Samara: Supposed to be a modern (For the 80's), reliable and economical car on the cheap, it missed the mark by miles, on all counts (Except cheap)

Mitsubishi Diamante: Supposed to be a spacious family car and to an extent it was, too bad they forgot that most Australians and New Zealanders (The market it was originally made for) also have boats (in the case of NZers) and caravans (in the case of Australians) and didn't give the car a transmission capable of towing without melting itself.

Suzuki Samuri: Oh come on, do I even need to explain?

1. Pontiac Grand Prix
2. Monte Carlo's with an "8" sticker
3. H2's (or any large SUV, really)
4. Buick Rendezvous
5. Rusty cars

Chris, I understand what you're saying and for the most part agree, BUT....


There are just some cars that do thier intended purpose really badly, cars like:

The Nissan Skyline GTS: The car was supposed to be a cross between a luxury and a sports car, but came away with the comfort of a sports car and the performance of a luxury car. Poor weight distribution, no interior space and a weezy and pathetic standard engine, can't even shake off an SOHC Honda Accord.

The Nissan Serena- Unsafe, slow, unreliable, ugly, too narrow to be comfortable, unstable, the list of "uns" could go on

Lada Samara: Supposed to be a modern (For the 80's), reliable and economical car on the cheap, it missed the mark by miles, on all counts (Except cheap)

Mitsubishi Diamante: Supposed to be a spacious family car and to an extent it was, too bad they forgot that most Australians and New Zealanders (The market it was originally made for) also have boats (in the case of NZers) and caravans (in the case of Australians) and didn't give the car a transmission capable of towing without melting itself.

Suzuki Samuri: Oh come on, do I even need to explain?

Compared to cars of the teens and 20s, none of those cars is worth hating. Compared to other communist block cars, even that particular lada is a polished jewel. And the Samurai has a lot of faithful followers, and actually is a good car for it's job: being a small, economical, rugged car for primitive conditions. I've seen them survive a LOT of stuff, and be much more economical to operate than Jeeps. And as such, is a good marketplace option for basic Jeeps.

Come on... There was a time when car companies came into business and went out within a year or less for building seriously utter piles of crap that make a trabant look like a Rolls. Cars like the Imp:

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1263490c.jpg

And you think the Diamante is worth hating?

Guys, hate an individual example of a car, one that is falling apart, strands you, or is otherwise a POS. But don't hate on generalizations, maes, models, etc, even of the sae type as the car that stranded you, as other examples will not be as bad, and will have loyal followers who never had problems with them. Hating on a brand or model is the same closed minded generalization that leads to racism (dislike of the other). You just think it's acceptable because it's aimed at a machine. It's unintelligent, and not a valuable goal. I can't believe anyone is defending being hateful as though it's something you should strive for.

Every Diamante owner I know ended up selling it and promising never to buy another Mitsubishi again, hence why the Mitsubishi 380 is selling so badly in the Antipodean Isles, hence why it's the end of the line for Mitsubishis Adelaide plant (Which is sad, that same plant pumped out many a Valiant :(). When a family car is unable to tow a boat without melting its' transmission, then it's a bad car. Hate is a strong word and I don't "hate" most of these cars, that's something for a more personal level, I just hold the justified opinion that it's a bad car and it'd be stupid to buy one where there are cars available that DO the intended job.

The Samara was the worst Eastern Bloc car, EVER. You see at the very least the old Lada 2014/Riva/God knows what other names it picked up on the way, were based on a tried and true platform (The Fiat 124), the Samara was just based on what Lada could find lying around, the build quality was so bad that when they first were launched in Australia, the Importer was forced to spend $2000 getting them up to the standard of the most non-discerning buyer, this is why they're a rarer sight than the Ladas of old.

I've seen too many Samuris/Holden Drovers tipped over to pretty much conclude that while they're tough, they are dangerous, I'd have much sooner bought a 10 year old 70 series Landcruiser if I were back in the 80's.

is it me or are you guys actually arguing over the mis-use of the word "hate" instead of the dislike for some cars?

BAN! I mean errrrr...... That's SORT of my point there and it SEEMED to be Chris' point.

so... really, the reality is, no one actually hates a car, they only say they do.
doesn't that then mean that this discussion is largely redundent because no one actually hates any car?

Yes, but you have to learn to translate what the average American 13-25 year old male says into terms that us of British Empire extraction can understand, e.g Hate = the world wouldn't exactly be worse off without them :p

1. Pontiac, Grand prix/am
2. Ford, Mustang
3. Chevy, Camaro
4. Honda, all of them
5. Saturn, all of them

so... really, the reality is, no one actually hates a car, they only say they do.
doesn't that then mean that this discussion is largely redundent because no one actually hates any car?

my point is, why is it so important to run around complaining about someone else's choice in cars, insulting those cars and by extention, the owner for choosing it? Why is it so importnat to defend acting that way, and why is it so importnat to actively act againsat trying to be more open minded and appreciative of all genres and types of cars?

Which is a better human trait, that should be lauded and supported?

Trom the standpoint of a person who likes some cars, it IS a pain to be diring one, enjoying your day, and have some idiot think he's being funny by insulting it and calling it crap because HE would rather own something else. This is supposed to be a hobby, something you do for enjoyment. Me owning or building what I like don't negatively impact you, but you deciding it's important to insult that which I like does negatively impact me, and makes the hobby less enjoyable.

It's about spreading a culture of tactlessness and intolerance vs promoting open mindedness and appreciation for the variety. This isn't about being PC, either. That's a separate subject.

so people aren't allowed to express their views of cars in a negative manner because it might indirectly offend you but you are allowed to directly call them ignorant and an idiot?

lets see!

1. ricer civic
2. ricer integra
3. ricer camry
4. ricer corrolla
5. Any other riced out car there is

1. http://www.evilzug.com/stuff/poopandfartjokes/pics/CivicRice.jpg
2. http://www.excessvelocity.com/rice/bigwing.jpg?176,160
3. http://www.moforacing.com/albums/rice/bustedeclipse2.jpg
4. http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Scion-Xb/Scion-Xb-036.jpg
5. http://www.excessvelocity.com/rice/vette.jpg

1. Hyundai (fake honda)
2. Ford all of them except the mustang
3. Dodge all of them
4. Scion
5. Saturn

1. Dodge/Plymouth Neon
2. Any Hummer that isn't an H1
3. Any Ford except the mustang
4. Mitsubishi Eclipse
5. Dodge/Plymouth Neon

WTF, just because someone hates something doesnt mean its an invalid point, hate is an emotion, not a primal form of fear and aggression. And ignorance is not a way to point out the fact that people as a whole are going to have emotions. Whether you have emotions of love hate fear or anger doesnt make you ingorant. If your statements are true then the fear of war is an opinion and not actual fear. Just because someones opinion isnt based on fact of your own account, or hasent been validated doesnt mean it makes them ignorant. Its the same reason peopla have the emotion of love, once again if your statements are true then love being an emotion not based on any fact makes someone who loves an ignorant person. Il agree with most of what you say as the fact that why cant anyone get the hate for man or machine out of there emotions, but emotions arent just emotions there also what makes someones personality. Your also basing your entire philosophy on the fact that car enthusiast dont hate or love cars of there own, just because a true car enthusiast doesnt like a mustang or a honda, doesnt mean that they dont appreciate the fact that these cars are what made the car industry what it is today. People will never get over basic human emotions.

Now that i got that out. I dont really hate to many cars, but there are ones that piss me off mainly due to the fact that these cars are the main platform for why everyone despises ricers. Granted most cars can be riced these same cars can be made into street legal sleepers. finishing with this not all cars are created equal.

eh, it was just to start some convo and find out a general opinion of some cars that are disliked by the general population here. i think the car itself might not be what affects my decision on what i picked but more the general drivers of the car, their attitude in my area, and maybe some drivers of a certain car in the past. i have found 95% of the volkswagen drivers in my area that are into the tuner scene believe that any car other than a german one is not worth 1/18th of the price paid. when the srt4 came out the 9 or 10 of them deemed themselves untouchable and would mock whatever challenger came their way and usually back out of a race anyway. the camaro i dont particularly 'hate' i have a few friends with them and i would particularly like the car if it wasnt for every one that comes across me in my mustang feels the need to try to make it seem like my car is inferior

my point is, why is it so important to run around complaining about someone else's choice in cars, insulting those cars and by extention, the owner for choosing it? Why is it so importnat to defend acting that way, and why is it so importnat to actively act againsat trying to be more open minded and appreciative of all genres and types of cars?

Which is a better human trait, that should be lauded and supported?

Trom the standpoint of a person who likes some cars, it IS a pain to be diring one, enjoying your day, and have some idiot think he's being funny by insulting it and calling it crap because HE would rather own something else. This is supposed to be a hobby, something you do for enjoyment. Me owning or building what I like don't negatively impact you, but you deciding it's important to insult that which I like does negatively impact me, and makes the hobby less enjoyable.

It's about spreading a culture of tactlessness and intolerance vs promoting open mindedness and appreciation for the variety. This isn't about being PC, either. That's a separate subject.

Oh shut up!


theres no particular order

- Ford Explorer...It really created the "soccer mom" mentality where fuel effecient minivans were not fashionable, and these massive gas guzzling, vheicles that were anything but practical became the fashionable product. It made Ford dependent on them so when oil concerns came about, and sales plummeted Ford really took a hit

- Toyota Camry...Only because the marketing campaign in Canada really touted (and still brag about) the performance, and sporty feel of the Camry....Its about as sporty as your oven, and feels just as much like an appliance

- Hummer H2 and H3... Very similar reasons as the explorer. with the added trait that people actually SHOULD take these off-road but they don't...Don't pretend your an off-roader, if you were you would have bought a TJ

- Honda Prelude... Their ugly, butt ugly and every kid in me neighbourhood has one customized

- BMW 318 (In north America)....I understanding having a 318 in Europe....but in North America you bought a bimmer to show off to everybody you have a bimmer. buy a 325 or a 330, and ACTUALLY own a bimmer

and 6_speed....YOU ARE MY HERO! You own the cars that I dream of having in about 5 years!

1. Hummer H2
2. Hummer H3
3. International CXT
4. Excursion
5. Civic w/ Battle Wing, Neon Paintjob, Beer Can Muffler, etc.

It's a wonder where all these Civic owners are, because hating their cars seems to be a common thread and they are usually very vocal in defending their "race mods".

Ricers

How can you hate a civic, there cheap, easy as shit to make fast, and while most the little ricers prefer these since the aftermarket is amazing for them. You cant base a whole car on the way some dumb ass kid smacked 50lbs of shit on it. And yeah i do hate them to an extent but you have to admit they can be fast as shit.

^ I never even said they were slow! Chill dude, i understand that they can be made fast, but I'm talkin about the old civics. I'm just tired of the looks. But the new civic is off the chain!

1. mustang
2. mustang
3. mustang
4. mustang
5. mustang

So, you like mustangs eh? lol

How can you hate a civic, there cheap, easy as shit to make fast, and while most the little ricers prefer these since the aftermarket is amazing for them. You cant base a whole car on the way some dumb ass kid smacked 50lbs of shit on it. And yeah i do hate them to an extent but you have to admit they can be fast as shit.

Anything can be made fast as shit, I could make a Geo Priszm fast with enought money. And no, you cant make a Civic fast as shit for real cheap. Its just cheap to take if from 130HP to 160, after that, you have to start spending real money, its the same as any other car. Civics are no different then any other car and for the most part, itd be cheaper to buy a different car then all the mods needed to make it fast.

So a 13.6 for an all motor civic coupe which has less than 2 grand into it isnt that fast. Granted yes you can make any car fast, with enough money. And yes while you would need close to 10-15k to make ANY beater car break into the low 10's. You can get civics to run 12's for (give or take) depending on how you can get your parts 5k. I already discussed this with polygon a while back, while slapping nitrous on a car would cost less than 500. TO make it reliable is a different story. Everyone of the dsm tuners syas its cheap to make a dsm fast, yes while it might be you forget that to get a nice running hardly abused 4g63 powered talon, eclipse whatever, you need to spend between 3500-12000 depending on year, mileage and which style. In the same aspect you can get a civic shell, or a decent modded civic. Once again depending on year, and so forth between 200-10000. Yes i have bought a civic shell for 200, Already had a rollcage, 17"wheels, and racing seats. Guy didnt want it anymore he was tired of working on project cars. Built that up for 1500 and had it running 13's.

I will agree with you jlad, you can make any car fast with enough money, but civics are so common that there cheaper than most other tuner cars. There like the FOX body mustang of the import world.

My latest project car is a 90 accord, im swapping in a h23a1, ive already started rebuilding it, and im going to put a turbo setup running 10 psi. One of my friends claims it should be a high 12 sec car. After i get the other parts i need IE another block im going to build it to handle 25psi, which should be enough for a mid 10sec street car. AS long as i can get traction. So far after car, engine, turbo, lsd trans, exhaust, and a few other parts ive spent about 2100, and it should be ready to go together within the next month or so.

civics shouldnt be defended because of the modabilty but because they are the perfect economy car. theres not a damn thing wrong with them, not because they can be fast but because the are so economical.

I am an automobile-enthusiast; I do not hate cars that do not appeal to my tastes.

i saw a red z06 c6 yesterday and the plate said "YU $$ WISH""
i dont hate the car, but i hate the driver and for his sake hope it gets keyed.

Any of the new 2007 SUV's that I see on the road. I'm talking about the big ones:

-Chevy Suburban
-Ford Expediton
-GMC Yukon XL
-Caddiliac Escalade
-Hummer H2

Ok, I can understand the owners of older SUV's, gas wasn't $3.30 per gallon when they bought it, more like $1.80, so I do kinda feel sorry for them. But WHO, I ask, thinks of going out & buying a NEW gas guzzler when gas prices are only going to go UP?

This is one thing that I will never understand. The problem is that now I'm seeing more and more brand new SUV's on the roads, and this number is sure to go up soon.

Any of the new 2007 SUV's that I see on the road. I'm talking about the big ones:

-Chevy Suburban
-Ford Expediton
-GMC Yukon XL
-Caddiliac Escalade
-Hummer H2

Ok, I can understand the owners of older SUV's, gas wasn't $3.30 per gallon when they bought it, more like $1.80, so I do kinda feel sorry for them. But WHO, I ask, thinks of going out & buying a NEW gas guzzler when gas prices are only going to go UP?

This is one thing that I will never understand. The problem is that now I'm seeing more and more brand new SUV's on the roads, and this number is sure to go up soon.

I understand that most dont need these cars, but the Suburban and Expedition could be for people with families that may also need to to a trailor or boat or something.

The escalade, H2, and Yukon are just for show. However, i would love to take someone elses H2 off road.

True, if you do have a family of 8 and need to transport your boat or something, there is a 'practical' purpose for these vehicles. Espically out in rural areas where travel distances are a lot longer.

However, I live in the city, the most 'off roading' that these trucks see is when they hit the curb going around a turn; and are downright hilarious to see trying to park in crowded parking lots. The majority of these vehicles are driven by 1 person, or a family of 4 which could easily fit into a minivan let alone a 4 door. I'm not saying all people who bought these new SUV's are stupid, just the ones who use them against their intended purpose, which sadly, is a lot of people that I see.

However, i would love to take someone elses H2 off road.
Hmm...you take the H2, I'll take the H1!! Lets see who wins.

^ H1 baby!

what i dont get is at what point did it become cool to drive a big suv that is set up in such a way that it is no longer capable of doing anything offroad. used to be you saw a nice sports car and said hey, nice car. now kids see a big box with 24s and say hey, nice car. i mean i think nice off-road suvs/trucks are pretty cool. a friend of mine has a lifted izuzu amigo that he off-roads regularly and i think it is a cool car. but these newer suvs are more like minivans than anything you can take offroad. every time i see an suv with big rims, i just pray that maybe they will run over something and pop a tire or something lol.

I agree with poster above, new SUVs are very far from original concept of SUV. They are soft, full of plastic parts and are not capable of any off-roading. They are made for soccer moms and no longer have an image of tough workhorse than can help a man survive in the flood and than drive him home. I also hate POS buicks worth 100 bucks riding on 24 inch chrome wheels.

I also hate POS buicks worth 100 bucks riding on 24 inch chrome wheels.
Or any car for that matter. I hate that too.

im not a big fan of the civics...
like it has been said the vipers of ovverated and the only reason they work to well is because they have 2 extra cilienders for.. what i think would be extra intake for more power..

umm.. well, im not a big fan of the beattles eather.. rediculusly ugly shapped... to british looking for my taste..

o.o im not sure about others at the moment..

1. most civics
2. srt4s
3. hummer H2/H3s
4. anything made by kia, hyundai, daewoo, or geo
5. any car with HIDs that uses them during the day time

whats wrong with the srt-4 those cars are awesome for the money. my cousin took his to the strip just the other night and smoked a mustang gt.

Ford Granada
Citroen LeCar
Pontiac Fiero
Chrylser Cordoba
AMC Pacer

Ford Granada
Citroen LeCar
Pontiac Fiero
Chrylser Cordoba
AMC Pacer

Why Fiero ?
It is one of the best american cars IMO.

Dunno. Its one of the beauty in the eyes of the beholder thing. Besides, didn't they like spontaniously combust on a regular basis?

I don't like the SRT4 either, because I don't like neons. Just because its fast dosn't mean I have to like the car. If there was a 14.0 second XB scion....I would still hate it because it looks like hell.

honda civic
dodge neon
acura integra
any ricer


last and definitly least
ford mustang

and my favorite cars,
chevy s10 && blazer s10
monte carlos
fiero
camaros
and
corvettes

the reason that the fieros "combusted" was because the moron that planned it didnt think straight enough. the gas tank is WAY too close to the engine, i mean i love the car i hate to rag on it but seriously thats a stupid idea, even I wouldnt think of that
and im pretty stupid lol

the reason that the fieros "combusted" was because the moron that planned it didnt think straight enough. the gas tank is WAY too close to the engine, i mean i love the car i hate to rag on it but seriously thats a stupid idea, even I wouldnt think of that
and im pretty stupid lol

reminds me of the pintos

yah it really sucks cuz man i love the body style on the fiero, they are such nice compact little cars and shit if i souped one of them boys up and took it out one night shit, itd smash all them cheap inky dink imports! lol:banghead:

I don't like the SRT4 either, because I don't like neons. Just because its fast dosn't mean I have to like the car. If there was a 14.0 second XB scion....I would still hate it because it looks like hell.


i guess so, i think theyre pretty attractive for a 4-door, but its just personal taste. i will agree on the xb though, those things are gay period.