Sticks n Boost
slave
07-04-2002, 09:33 PM
I literally had a stick the width of the road on base break on my roof, bloody wind blew it off, BUT it only left a small mark which will polish out, and ok guys, just so I can whip the crapper out of pete (in 7 yrs when I can afford it!) I wanna know how much Im looking at to turbo my D16 in my lil CRXion. Ta bye.
Spunkymonkey
07-04-2002, 10:26 PM
for a decent package your looking at around 5 - 6K minimum.
Setanta
07-05-2002, 02:56 AM
Hunt around before you go to croydon - see what is available. As I recollect Worshp found a turbo kit for his Si CRX extremely cheaply (where the hell is Worshp anyway? I wan't to see if the CRX got some go to go with the show).
I'm going to wing this, but you'll need turbo/wastegate (if not internally wastegated turbo), bigger injectors, intercooler and plumbing, dump-pipe and exhaust, possibly the engine refreshed if it is getting on and maybe a piggyback 'puter. I'd ask around a few places, not just croydon. I think BD4s do turbo kits too as do a number of places. It's cheaper to rebuild a turbo than buy a new one - my Rayjay in the back room (off one of my 1st gen Civics) was a 600 buck rebuild.
Just remember that unless you decompress the motor, boost will be limited to 6-7 psi tops. Good for 160-170bhp I think. Adding a decompression plate will allow you to increase boost. Can I suggest you talk to Eric (CWCTB) on the fourth gen (88-91) forums here? He swapped a ZC into his USDM Si Civic and then added turbo.
My guess is about 5.5K.
About the same as a B16A transplant as most of that will go in labour. Getting a B16A front-cut isn't a straight swap as the EF8 CRX/EF9 Civic SiR engine bay is very different in mounts, crossmembers, gearbox, driveshafts etc.
You will need engine mounts from the US to do it properly for an engineers certificate. Place and Hasbro solid eurothane mounts (the best to get) are approx 600 US a set as I recollect. Integra driveshafts will be needed if you don't have the SiR ones, as will an aftermarket ECU if you don't have the factory one. New exhaust should be 600-1000 bucks depending on if you want headers or not.
A EF8/9 front cut will set you back approx 2000-2500 (if you can find one). I was talking to a guy at the Parramatta Honda spare parts place (Trivett?) and he said a friend did the B16A swap in, but he spent a fortune on it getting it right (having the speedo/tacho pod helps).
Cheers
Pete
(BTW - by the time you have it sorted, the SiR may just be a little quicker :p )
I'm going to wing this, but you'll need turbo/wastegate (if not internally wastegated turbo), bigger injectors, intercooler and plumbing, dump-pipe and exhaust, possibly the engine refreshed if it is getting on and maybe a piggyback 'puter. I'd ask around a few places, not just croydon. I think BD4s do turbo kits too as do a number of places. It's cheaper to rebuild a turbo than buy a new one - my Rayjay in the back room (off one of my 1st gen Civics) was a 600 buck rebuild.
Just remember that unless you decompress the motor, boost will be limited to 6-7 psi tops. Good for 160-170bhp I think. Adding a decompression plate will allow you to increase boost. Can I suggest you talk to Eric (CWCTB) on the fourth gen (88-91) forums here? He swapped a ZC into his USDM Si Civic and then added turbo.
My guess is about 5.5K.
About the same as a B16A transplant as most of that will go in labour. Getting a B16A front-cut isn't a straight swap as the EF8 CRX/EF9 Civic SiR engine bay is very different in mounts, crossmembers, gearbox, driveshafts etc.
You will need engine mounts from the US to do it properly for an engineers certificate. Place and Hasbro solid eurothane mounts (the best to get) are approx 600 US a set as I recollect. Integra driveshafts will be needed if you don't have the SiR ones, as will an aftermarket ECU if you don't have the factory one. New exhaust should be 600-1000 bucks depending on if you want headers or not.
A EF8/9 front cut will set you back approx 2000-2500 (if you can find one). I was talking to a guy at the Parramatta Honda spare parts place (Trivett?) and he said a friend did the B16A swap in, but he spent a fortune on it getting it right (having the speedo/tacho pod helps).
Cheers
Pete
(BTW - by the time you have it sorted, the SiR may just be a little quicker :p )
Moppie
07-05-2002, 03:06 AM
Well I know where at least one complete frount cut from an EF9 is over here. Your probobly looking at about 1,500 to 2,000 buy the time its landed in Aussie. Depends on what shipping and customs charges are.
But I think the Turbo is possible the best way to go.
The stock ECU should handle about 6psi with out any trouble.
But you will need to freashen things like rings etc before you do it.
I know a few ppl who have done it on an old engine its just ended up blowing smoke.
Cost really depends on how much work you can do yourself.
I have no idea where Worshp has buggered off to.
Either he got bored of the forums, he got a new women, or his situation at work changed, since thats the only internet access he has.
Ill shoot him an email and see whats hes up to.
But I think the Turbo is possible the best way to go.
The stock ECU should handle about 6psi with out any trouble.
But you will need to freashen things like rings etc before you do it.
I know a few ppl who have done it on an old engine its just ended up blowing smoke.
Cost really depends on how much work you can do yourself.
I have no idea where Worshp has buggered off to.
Either he got bored of the forums, he got a new women, or his situation at work changed, since thats the only internet access he has.
Ill shoot him an email and see whats hes up to.
Setanta
07-05-2002, 03:22 AM
Yeah - rings and head - and while you're at it might as well do the bearings :)
Moppie - I've seen just one EF8 front cut over here (and it was missing the bonnet) - no EF9s. Cost and shipping is one thing, but this country charges a fortune in import duties. I think there are a few XSi 'teg cuts areound - Chuck used a XSi B16A in his 3G - I can't remember if he said it was a cut or not.
Cool if you can contact Worshp - damn that CRX was getting better and better :)
Moppie - I've seen just one EF8 front cut over here (and it was missing the bonnet) - no EF9s. Cost and shipping is one thing, but this country charges a fortune in import duties. I think there are a few XSi 'teg cuts areound - Chuck used a XSi B16A in his 3G - I can't remember if he said it was a cut or not.
Cool if you can contact Worshp - damn that CRX was getting better and better :)
B16a4me
07-05-2002, 04:07 AM
OK....... You want to be quicker than pete.......hmmm.........new spark plugs should do it...mahhahehhehe.....hehehe.....hehe.....he...... .aahmm.
Yes, mine was a XSi front cut. Each to his own BUT if I were to do it all again..........I would do a b20z from a CRV!!!!!! You'd need a front cut from say a XSi and then the short motor from a CRV.
This is a pet of mine and I'll keep you updated on it's progress but it will be a M-O-N-S-T-E-R !!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you do a turbo and do it right, it will be a more tractable setup than a B16 conversion. You'll be able to use the torque more often than the power of a VTEC. I rarely turn my VTEC on when just driving around.
If your after a B16 look at getting one over from ENZED (a friend of mine just did this for his prelude) but be aware of the lack of warranty issue.
You don't have to spend $1500 on Place or Hasport mounts as an engineer will pass welded in front cut mounts that are FREE with a front cut.
Choose your path wisely grasshopper!!!!!!!!
Yes, mine was a XSi front cut. Each to his own BUT if I were to do it all again..........I would do a b20z from a CRV!!!!!! You'd need a front cut from say a XSi and then the short motor from a CRV.
This is a pet of mine and I'll keep you updated on it's progress but it will be a M-O-N-S-T-E-R !!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you do a turbo and do it right, it will be a more tractable setup than a B16 conversion. You'll be able to use the torque more often than the power of a VTEC. I rarely turn my VTEC on when just driving around.
If your after a B16 look at getting one over from ENZED (a friend of mine just did this for his prelude) but be aware of the lack of warranty issue.
You don't have to spend $1500 on Place or Hasport mounts as an engineer will pass welded in front cut mounts that are FREE with a front cut.
Choose your path wisely grasshopper!!!!!!!!
Spunkymonkey
07-05-2002, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by B16a4me
OK....... You want to be quicker than pete.......hmmm.........new spark plugs should do it...mahhahehhehe.....hehehe.....hehe.....he...... .aahmm.
Yes, mine was a XSi front cut. Each to his own BUT if I were to do it all again..........I would do a b20z from a CRV!!!!!! You'd need a front cut from say a XSi and then the short motor from a CRV.
This is a pet of mine and I'll keep you updated on it's progress but it will be a M-O-N-S-T-E-R !!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you do a turbo and do it right, it will be a more tractable setup than a B16 conversion. You'll be able to use the torque more often than the power of a VTEC. I rarely turn my VTEC on when just driving around.
If your after a B16 look at getting one over from ENZED (a friend of mine just did this for his prelude) but be aware of the lack of warranty issue.
You don't have to spend $1500 on Place or Hasport mounts as an engineer will pass welded in front cut mounts that are FREE with a front cut.
Choose your path wisely grasshopper!!!!!!!!
or you could always do the type R conversion...that my cousin's friend did :p
chucky...I'm sure you don't let the vtec cut in, for fear of going deaf, or losing parts of your car :p
OK....... You want to be quicker than pete.......hmmm.........new spark plugs should do it...mahhahehhehe.....hehehe.....hehe.....he...... .aahmm.
Yes, mine was a XSi front cut. Each to his own BUT if I were to do it all again..........I would do a b20z from a CRV!!!!!! You'd need a front cut from say a XSi and then the short motor from a CRV.
This is a pet of mine and I'll keep you updated on it's progress but it will be a M-O-N-S-T-E-R !!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you do a turbo and do it right, it will be a more tractable setup than a B16 conversion. You'll be able to use the torque more often than the power of a VTEC. I rarely turn my VTEC on when just driving around.
If your after a B16 look at getting one over from ENZED (a friend of mine just did this for his prelude) but be aware of the lack of warranty issue.
You don't have to spend $1500 on Place or Hasport mounts as an engineer will pass welded in front cut mounts that are FREE with a front cut.
Choose your path wisely grasshopper!!!!!!!!
or you could always do the type R conversion...that my cousin's friend did :p
chucky...I'm sure you don't let the vtec cut in, for fear of going deaf, or losing parts of your car :p
Setanta
07-05-2002, 06:30 AM
I'm always nervous of welded in mounts (yeah, I know yours are Chuck).
Still, I guess it comes down to how much you want to do yourself (wanna make me an exhaust?) ;)
I agree on the torque issue - it really what lets the B16A down - I'd go a non-VTEC B18 with turbo if I was building personally - a nice combo of the right weight for the engine bay and a good package that responds well to a turbo.
But seeing as SiRs didn't come out with the B18.... :D
Still, I guess it comes down to how much you want to do yourself (wanna make me an exhaust?) ;)
I agree on the torque issue - it really what lets the B16A down - I'd go a non-VTEC B18 with turbo if I was building personally - a nice combo of the right weight for the engine bay and a good package that responds well to a turbo.
But seeing as SiRs didn't come out with the B18.... :D
B16a4me
07-05-2002, 11:25 AM
The problem with the place or hasport kits for 3 gens is that they rely on only three mounts :eek: That and the rediculous price once you get them here
B20 weighs 4.5 kgs more than a B18!!!!! Even a weight monger like me can put up with that.............I suppose :D
B20 weighs 4.5 kgs more than a B18!!!!! Even a weight monger like me can put up with that.............I suppose :D
Spunkymonkey
07-05-2002, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by B16a4me
The problem with the place or hasport kits for 3 gens is that they rely on only three mounts :eek: That and the rediculous price once you get them here
B20 weighs 4.5 kgs more than a B18!!!!! Even a weight monger like me can put up with that.............I suppose :D
you....not likely :p
then you'd starve yourself to make up for the difference :silly2:
The problem with the place or hasport kits for 3 gens is that they rely on only three mounts :eek: That and the rediculous price once you get them here
B20 weighs 4.5 kgs more than a B18!!!!! Even a weight monger like me can put up with that.............I suppose :D
you....not likely :p
then you'd starve yourself to make up for the difference :silly2:
Oz
07-05-2002, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Spunkymonkey
you....not likely :p
then you'd starve yourself to make up for the difference :silly2:
That's why he doesn't engage VTEC much. Do you know how much his controller weighs? :eek:
you....not likely :p
then you'd starve yourself to make up for the difference :silly2:
That's why he doesn't engage VTEC much. Do you know how much his controller weighs? :eek:
Spunkymonkey
07-05-2002, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by ozriceboy
That's why he doesn't engage VTEC much. Do you know how much his controller weighs? :eek:
shhhh....that's why I took my controller out :p
next thing to go...honda badge perhaps :p
That's why he doesn't engage VTEC much. Do you know how much his controller weighs? :eek:
shhhh....that's why I took my controller out :p
next thing to go...honda badge perhaps :p
incoming
07-06-2002, 09:34 PM
hey slave!
if ur after any spares for the d16, gimme a yell.... ive got everything (engine perfect! + comp) minus gearbox pretty cheap...
ps. i was wondering does 600 sound good if i was gonna sell engine + comp + loom and whats left of a eg6 f/cut??
any takers? LOL
if ur after any spares for the d16, gimme a yell.... ive got everything (engine perfect! + comp) minus gearbox pretty cheap...
ps. i was wondering does 600 sound good if i was gonna sell engine + comp + loom and whats left of a eg6 f/cut??
any takers? LOL
ae82_3sgte
08-07-2002, 09:58 AM
throw out the POS shit it has in it....throw a B18C in to start with......and work from there.....best investment you could ever do....no point with a turbo kit unless the motor is built for it......its like pulling the pin on a grenade and not knowing when its going to go off.....spend some money replace pistons with forged JE items.....fit ARP rod bolts and head studs, copper head gasket with special sealing stuff.......then custom exhaust manifold......T28 turbo off an RB20....... and voila =]
rest you can work out...
Michael
PS SPUNKYMONKEY IS MISCHIEVIOUS!!!!
rest you can work out...
Michael
PS SPUNKYMONKEY IS MISCHIEVIOUS!!!!
ae82_3sgte
08-07-2002, 10:01 AM
HMMM welded mounts are stronger than standard if done correctly...standard mounts are spot welded and glued....my mounts are all stitch, plug and seam welded....it has to tear the chassis rail to rip the mount off.....and I havent even moved it....and my motor puts out 3x as much torque as your silly vtec motors!!! LOL and out of a 4 cyl...
around 350-360Nm =]
around 350-360Nm =]
B16a4me
08-07-2002, 10:51 AM
"silly vtec motors" tisk, tisk, tisk.....
Could you please enlighten us with your fastest 1/4 mile time for your torque monsta??
My silly vtec motor pulls 14.3.......hehehe
Sorry, Mikey but you came into a Honda Forum baggin vtec's, so.......
Could you please enlighten us with your fastest 1/4 mile time for your torque monsta??
My silly vtec motor pulls 14.3.......hehehe
Sorry, Mikey but you came into a Honda Forum baggin vtec's, so.......
ae82_3sgte
08-07-2002, 06:04 PM
Chuck Chuck Chuck,
So far you are ahead!!! But just wait, I am going to keep making excuses until I beat you!!! LOL...nah well I am going to set my rear suspension up a lot better than now....Need weight over the front wheels...!!!
Hmmm VTEC = VERY-LITTLE TORQUE Et C
hehehe
=]
I dont need to wear my main bearings out to produce torque I just punch it at 3K rpm and warp speed here I come!!! LOL.....
I call it usable torque!!!!
HEHEH
Just shit stirren ya champ, you know I love the VTEC sound =]]]] Wild cams own me...i want some 258 durations!!!! LOL...
MIchael
So far you are ahead!!! But just wait, I am going to keep making excuses until I beat you!!! LOL...nah well I am going to set my rear suspension up a lot better than now....Need weight over the front wheels...!!!
Hmmm VTEC = VERY-LITTLE TORQUE Et C
hehehe
=]
I dont need to wear my main bearings out to produce torque I just punch it at 3K rpm and warp speed here I come!!! LOL.....
I call it usable torque!!!!
HEHEH
Just shit stirren ya champ, you know I love the VTEC sound =]]]] Wild cams own me...i want some 258 durations!!!! LOL...
MIchael
Spunkymonkey
08-07-2002, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by ae82_3sgte
Michael
PS SPUNKYMONKEY IS MISCHIEVIOUS!!!!
is that right :silly2:
Michael
PS SPUNKYMONKEY IS MISCHIEVIOUS!!!!
is that right :silly2:
ae82_3sgte
08-07-2002, 07:04 PM
YES THATS RIGHT! :devil:
Spunkymonkey
08-07-2002, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by ae82_3sgte
YES THATS RIGHT! :devil:
but you don't know HOW mischievous :p
YES THATS RIGHT! :devil:
but you don't know HOW mischievous :p
ae82_3sgte
08-07-2002, 09:57 PM
this little birdy told me QUITE!!!!! LOL
Spunkymonkey
08-07-2002, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by ae82_3sgte
this little birdy told me QUITE!!!!! LOL
don't always believe what you hear ;)
this little birdy told me QUITE!!!!! LOL
don't always believe what you hear ;)
ae82_3sgte
08-08-2002, 12:13 AM
but the birdy looked so trusting!!!!!
Spunkymonkey
08-08-2002, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by ae82_3sgte
but the birdy looked so trusting!!!!!
was it a birdy...or a blue moo cow :p
but the birdy looked so trusting!!!!!
was it a birdy...or a blue moo cow :p
ae82_3sgte
08-08-2002, 02:00 AM
nAh i distinctly remember it being a BIrd =] didn't moo or have polkadot spots
:bandit:
:bandit:
Spunkymonkey
08-08-2002, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by ae82_3sgte
nAh i distinctly remember it being a BIrd =] didn't moo or have polkadot spots
:bandit:
is that right? well you don't know what my name means LOL
nAh i distinctly remember it being a BIrd =] didn't moo or have polkadot spots
:bandit:
is that right? well you don't know what my name means LOL
Oz
08-08-2002, 08:31 PM
Oh, oh, oh...pick me teacher. I'm ever so smart! I know what it means! Damn..I've been here too long.
Spunkymonkey
08-08-2002, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by ozriceboy
Oh, oh, oh...pick me teacher. I'm ever so smart! I know what it means! Damn..I've been here too long.
LOL
you sound like "donky" from Shrek...pick me...pick me... :p
Oh, oh, oh...pick me teacher. I'm ever so smart! I know what it means! Damn..I've been here too long.
LOL
you sound like "donky" from Shrek...pick me...pick me... :p
Oz
08-08-2002, 09:54 PM
;)
Close. The correct answer is Martin Prince - The Simpsons.
hehe.
Close. The correct answer is Martin Prince - The Simpsons.
hehe.
Spunkymonkey
08-08-2002, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by ozriceboy
;)
Close. The correct answer is Martin Prince - The Simpsons.
hehe.
oh is that so :p
cool.
;)
Close. The correct answer is Martin Prince - The Simpsons.
hehe.
oh is that so :p
cool.
Oz
08-08-2002, 11:25 PM
;)
...gotta love random, meaningless posts, huh?
...gotta love random, meaningless posts, huh?
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