3.1 turbo

i was just wondering if it was possible to buy a turbo or supercharger for my 91 firebird. And if so whats the difference between the two of them. Because a buddy of mine suggested it

Turbo works by spinning an impeller with exhaust gasses, impeller forces air into the throttle body. Supercharger works by a pulley driven impeller, end result is the same as a turbo. Turbos require cooling lines etc. Personally, go with a supercharger, easier to install.

ok here is my question do you know where i can get either or for my 3.1 firebird

Do you have $4500?

If not...find something smaller. :wink:

i have the money i mean my car is making over 200 hp right now without one im curious as to what it will do with one and where i can get one thanx for your help

How do you know it is making over 200 HP?

My best guess is probably a custom turbo kit for that particular motor.
And there are a TON of things that can/will affect the power you would make.

just bottel feed it, cheeper and will probly get more power out of it.but don't just strap a bottel to it and run it, upgrade the fuel system as needed.

What exactly have you done to get 200+ hp out of your 3.1? If you don't mind me asking, just curious.

I would like to know also , the series 3 3800s in the Grand prix's and monte carlos are pushing 200 . but the older engines don't have the ability without serious internal mods and a custom cam for high RPMS . My 91 with a 3.1 was rated at 140hp . please enlighten us . Rob

ok here is a list of some of the things which i have done to my car, Cold air intake with a K&N air filter, headers with a flowmaster exhaust, perfomance module, performance distributor, NGK V groove (or power) whatever their called plugs, Ram hood that leads straight to where my air filter is, i messed with a specific sensor in a way it is not supposed to be messed with and makes me use alot more gas, and i have put two other things on it and the only way anyone will ever find out what they are is if they can beat me in a race

i was told that superchargers are just for front wheel drive cars is that right or not b/c when it comes to these things i have no clue

hehe supercharger just for fwd?! the original sc's were put on muscle cars...and they sure as hell aint for fwds. =) all a supercharger does is borrow pwoer from the engine crankshaft (belt) and use it to drive an impeller which forces air into the intake... =)

mm two other things eh

if one is a bottle that would make sense.. a 50 shot would put him close to 200...

ok here is a list of some of the things which i have done to my car, Cold air intake with a K&N air filter, headers with a flowmaster exhaust, perfomance module, performance distributor, NGK V groove (or power) whatever their called plugs, Ram hood that leads straight to where my air filter is, i messed with a specific sensor in a way it is not supposed to be messed with and makes me use alot more gas, and i have put two other things on it and the only way anyone will ever find out what they are is if they can beat me in a race

Uh, two other things on it that no one will find out unless they beat you? Man, somebody watch Fast and the Furious a little too much there buddy.

and i have put two other things on it and the only way anyone will ever find out what they are is if they can beat me in a race
I would beat ya.
Tell me!!! :grinyes:

hahaha thats dirty mr. luos :P you dont count..

although i would like to know whats on there :]

i bet you would theres only three ppl in this world that know what it is and it me my brother and my friend it took all three of us to put it on there and get it working right

o yea i forgot to mention something else in thee and that is a performance chip becuase all that shit is pointless if there is a rev limitor

ok here is a list of some of the things which i have done to my car, Cold air intake with a K&N air filter, headers with a flowmaster exhaust, perfomance module, performance distributor, NGK V groove (or power) whatever their called plugs, Ram hood that leads straight to where my air filter is, i messed with a specific sensor in a way it is not supposed to be messed with and makes me use alot more gas, and i have put two other things on it and the only way anyone will ever find out what they are is if they can beat me in a race
Cold air intake on a V8, +10hp
Headers + Catback on a V8, +15 HP
Perfomance module, +2-3 HP
Performance distributor, +2-3 HP

So if its true that those engines only have 140 hp sorry, your not making 200 hp. Intake and Exhaust help V8's much better than 6's, as for the ram air hood if your doing 120mph or more then maybe it will start to ram air into the motor. The Camaro forums found a story on this a little while back.

For you "secret" 2 mod's what are they... is it the dreaded Throttle Body Bypass or Gears (which don't give you any hp btw). Obviously if you don'h have a supercharger or turbo they can't be that big of mods.

I would suggest nitrous over either the supercharger or turbo, those are going to cost $3,000+ where nitrous could be a low as $500 and you should be able to run a 50 shot on stock internals. What kind of mileage does your car have on it?

120,000 and no it dont have Throttle Body Bypass or Gears im telling u u aint gonna find out unless ur able to beat me in a race

performance module 7-9 hp

have something like a turbonator but created by uncle also sorry

have something like a turbonator but created by uncle also sorry

Performance module.. hah, like those ones you get on eBay for $10 that guarantee 20 hp. Those are a joke. As for the home made "Turbonator," man.. please tell me you're kidding. You've obviously never read up on the reviews of those things, otherwise you'd realize they add just as much HP as a paperweight in your intake would.

Performance module = 0 HP
Homemade Turbonater = 0 HP

Never understood the 'keeping my mods' quiet thing.

Who cares?? It is the internet...the likelihood of you EVER meeting any of us is very small.
And I would still beat you in a race. I am 100% of this. Just tell me. :lol:

My guess, port and polished heads, that can be tricky if you are doing it yourself and have no idea whatsoever what you are doing. When I ported the head on my grand am, I used 3 junk heads for practice and still didn't get it exactly right, had someone with experience look at it and trimmed it a little more, then roughed the intake ports to give it the turbulence it needs. Still, not something I would want to try again without help.

performance module from e-bay?? no cant say it was nice try there buddy and u can believe what u want b/c this is made a bit different and is pretty nice when its it cold air intake

Mr. Luos u probably would bit of a bigger motor and ski ur pretty damn close on one thing

performance module from e-bay?? no cant say it was nice try there buddy and u can believe what u want b/c this is made a bit different and is pretty nice when its it cold air intake

Ok well you provide the dyno sheet to prove your 200 hp and I'll stop being skeptical. But I've been researching my engine (the 3.4, which is identical to your 3.1) for the past year so I'm pretty familiar with every major mod that's possible for our engines. If you did in fact do any head work, then i would hope you swapped the aluminum heads from the 3rd gen FWD 3400 engine on to yours. It's a cheap and easy mod to do, anything else would honestly have been a waste of money, time, and effort. Seeing as in how if you did port and polish your current heads, you still wouldnt have gotten the gains you would have from swapping the heads out. As for the home made turbonator, I still see it as a paperweight. I've researched it and found all it does is swirl the incoming air... no power gains whatsoever. It's more like one of those optical illusion type of mods you can buy for your car, just like that electric supercharger crap. Do a search on this forum for "turbonator." There have been a ton of discussions on that thing. As for the "performace module," if it's the Jet performance module, then honestly.. you could have just given me the money and you would have had just as much gains as you would have if you did buy that thing. Just my :2cents: man. It's not like I'm being biased or opinionated, I've looked into these type of products and have found that there's very little to no power gains from those. Besides, you can find better things to do on your car with your money than buying a performance module. I'd rather spend my hard earned money on something that doesn't take me just 5 minutes to install. That's just not satisfying enough for me to believe I just gained 15 hp.

Mr. Luos u probably would
I don't mean any offense...

But 'probably' isn't the right word. :wink:

liked that Mr. Luos here is my question for every1 though have u ever bought a turbonator or anything like that or are u just going by what people say b/c im guessing you have never bought one am i correct

how fast does a stock 91 3.1 firebird go before rev limitor and speed govenor stop it?

liked that Mr. Luos here is my question for every1 though have u ever bought a turbonator or anything like that or are u just going by what people say b/c im guessing you have never bought one am i correct

Actually, I don't go by what "people" say. I go by what the experts say.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/auto_technology/1802932.html

The Turbonator is nothing more than as I said, a paperwight which merely causes you to burn more fuel due to the restricted airflow and decreases your overall horse power. I always do extensive research before I dismiss anything completely. I've researched this Turbonator thoroughly and have concluded you can gain more HP from filling your tank up than you can from sticking this thing in your intake. There was no way I was about to blow $40 hard earned dollars on some folded up tin foil.

Stock 1992 Pontiac Firebird 3.1L V6 Info:

Rev Limiter: 7,000 RPMs
Speed Governer: 108 MPH

I'd probably beat you in a race, called out driving you ;)

I don't get the keeping your mods secret either, but to each there own. If you dont want to tell us, thats fine, we don't care.

here is my question for every1 though have u ever bought a turbonator or anything like that or are u just going by what people say b/c im guessing you have never bought one am i correct
Nope.
Wouldn't waste my money on that worthless mod.

I've done mods to the quad in my grand am, don't keep them a secret but don't broadcast that I have them either. If someone asks, I tell them. As for the turbonator, its a piece of crap, sticking a leaf blower into your air intake would do more for you.

all right well cool if you dont care then i guess there is no need for me to tell you then now is there?

I guess not. But without proper proof, I call bullshit on your 200+ hp out of a 3.1 without forced induction, or major work to the engine.

all right cool im not going to argue with u b/c i can see why u dont believe me but im still wondering how can i go about getting a turbo or supercharger for my 3.1 because i cant find one anywhere.

Turbos:
http://www.bbsdesigns.net/
http://www.force-fed-fabrications.com/index2.htm

Superchargers:
http://www.rsmracing.com/catalog.htm

The ones at Force Fed Fabrications and RSM Racing are designed for the 3.4L, but I'm sure with a little modification they can fit the 3rd gens 2.8/3.1's.

im not going to argue with u b/c i can see why u dont believe me
All it would take is a dyno sheet.
Not asking for much. Just proof. :grinyes:
I will post mine up if you post yours. I just don't understand why you can't tell us. Not like we know who you are or anything....and I bet none of us will ever line up next to you for money.


Good luck with the forced induction!

if you have 200hp, i will race you with my 92 305 tbi camaro. It is all stock for now, but i am getting ready for full exhaust from headers back. So if you have 200hp you should win.

thank u very much blind i know what i will be getting in a couple of weeks.