okokok... THANKS (and update)

First of all I would like to thank all of you for the :slap: . I checked the fluid in my power steering pump... wayyyyy low. Filled it up... no squealing like... well we won't go into that again. So a very heartfelt thank you for reminding me that the f'ing p/s pump has fluid in it and that I need to check it ocassionally.

Anyhoo.. I took Red Death out for her final cruise before the big sleep falls over her and she is reborn. I found someone to help me rebuild the engine (I am really hoping he is not expecting a hummer as payment), and I am pulling the trans to rebuild it at the same time.

List of updates:

Pull 454, strip it, paint that bitch red (or yellow maybe... suggestions?), redo seals / gaskets, maybe new oil pan, Holley double pumper (not sure yet if going 750, 800 or 850) and new plumbing, new dynomax ceramacoat headers, msd wires, get the god-damned gauges hooked up and rebuild M22. Thats the plan for now. I'm certain it's going to get all f'd up and I'll wind up replacing WAY more shit than I wanted too, so throw a few prayers my way (or money) and hopefully sometime in May or June she'll be roadworthy.

Oh and whilst doing the above, I plan on listig what the hell has been done to it so I can tell you guys and actually knwo what the hell I'm talking about. I'm also going to try and get it on a dyno when done, but we'll see.

good job, lol at the power steerin pump!!!!

Shouldve took some pics, Jim.

anyway, paint it red or dont paint it at all. thats my opinion on it.

heh, I was like "noooo shit!" when I looked in there. Filled her up .. good to go. heh. I f you guys hadn't said anything I'd have NEVER noticed it, kind blends in with everything else behind them puilleys and all. hah. I suck at this.

Anyhoo, yeah Rally. I like Red on there. I was looking in the Summit and Jegs catalogs and I kinda like the blue, red and yellow.... although I think yellow would go best with a sliver maro. I like the blue, but it would look way to outa place in a red maro. It's currently black, and that sucks because you (I) can't see a damned thing in there. For instance... I didn't know about the leaking seals for 3 months after I bought it because you can't see oil on a black engine! Then I would have never tested the compression and found out my problems. I hate black. It sucks on engines and as a body color... I could NEVER keep my blazer clean. EVER.

Oh and when I get to actually doing something I'll take plenty of pictures for you brother.

hell with the 454... 572!!!!

^You're crazy.. I wouldnt even do that.

572 is small, you pussy... it's a second gen, you can fit anything in there

737ci.....:)

^OMG, can you say that?

Went over the list of shit I GOTTA get to do this... looking at about $1500 all together. Do-able, but gonna be tight.

I've got 2 issues...
1. I currently have a 4160 750 (vacuum secondaries) and was told I need at least an 800 mechanical. Do I just go to a 800 or do I go to an 850???? With the compression issues, exhaust leaks, etc being FIXED, is my gas mileage going to be about the same??? At about 8mpg now, I can;t afford for it to get much worse.

2. Do I bother going with a new water pump / oil pump while I have the engine out, or is that something I can worry about later. I realize it'll be easier to do it all at once, but are those 2 things that are relatively easy to do with the engine still in there?? I'd rather do the stuff that MUST be done while the engine is out noe and the dumb shit later.

Oh and 572, etc... I know you guys are sorta joking, but I don't want anything more powerful than what I got now. Just want to clean it up, make it reliable and driveable. This thing is borderline race only as it is... (at least to me anyway). Any more and I'm asking for trouble.

I gotta find someon with a video camera so I can post it up.

Last ride before the big sleep..... **sniff** I'm gonna miss her while she's down. GOD DAMNED that was fun. I think I'll splurge for the dyno run and sneak out and go to a strip and get some times and post them up.

Tell ya what Jim, Gimmie a couch, a stash of beer and decent grub and I'm there :thumbsup:

Man, I'm telling ya now, before you remove one bolt from that car make sure you have all your dogs ready for huntin, because if you're gonna try the 'pay as you go' ordeal, you're gonne be done in May or June alright, ten years down the road. C'mon, you know how it goes, something else ALWAYS gets in the way.

And if you are ready to go with it, definately do the oil pump while you're there. Not doing so, you might as well be pop'n a viagra on the way to the bed with a used condom.

Plus, aren't you re-ring'n it anyway? Most kits come with a new pump.

As for the carb, same answer as before. There are alot of variables that go into it. Cam, combustion chamber volume and quench are just the tip of the iceburg. Also the more the fuel you dump in there, remember you're gonna need some more in the fire department to set it off,

Gas mileage? Good luck with that. Even my friends rustang 302 with a mid-size cam dosn't win any awards in that department.

Yeah.. if you want better MPG then upgrade to fuel injection, Jim.. theres a couple of kits out there for this.

Tell ya what Jim, Gimmie a couch, a stash of beer and decent grub and I'm there :thumbsup:

Man, I'm telling ya now, before you remove one bolt from that car make sure you have all your dogs ready for huntin, because if you're gonna try the 'pay as you go' ordeal, you're gonne be done in May or June alright, ten years down the road. C'mon, you know how it goes, something else ALWAYS gets in the way.

And if you are ready to go with it, definately do the oil pump while you're there. Not doing so, you might as well be pop'n a viagra on the way to the bed with a used condom.

Plus, aren't you re-ring'n it anyway? Most kits come with a new pump.

As for the carb, same answer as before. There are alot of variables that go into it. Cam, combustion chamber volume and quench are just the tip of the iceburg. Also the more the fuel you dump in there, remember you're gonna need some more in the fire department to set it off,

Gas mileage? Good luck with that. Even my friends rustang 302 with a mid-size cam dosn't win any awards in that department.


Dylan,

Yeah I know... here's what I've decided... I think.

I'm gonna do a new water pump and oil pump/pan deal while I'm doing this. I'm gonna wait on the carb... that should be relativley easy to change with the engine in, and after I'm done, I should know enough about what's in there to make a better informed decision on what I need. That will also free up about $500 or so for contigencies. I wasn't aware that new oil pumps come with ring kits, I was looking in Jegs and Summit and must have missed that part, but wanted to go with a high volume racing pump just be sure everything was getting what it needed. Same with the water pump.

I know full well, how something like Earl taking a dump is gonna get in the way of Red Death's heart surgery, but I've got an old school engine guy helping me out, and I think he's gonna want to have it sewed up quick. Then he's probably going to want me to help him redo a 350 for a 67 maro he's working on... which is cool because I really do want to learn about all this stuff, so the more I can do the better off I'll be.. I hope. I'd eventually like to do a 65 GTO from the ground up myself... so I need all the education I can get.

Oh and Rally... EFI would be nice, but at $2,300 just for the kit, and still having to spend $1,500 to rebuld the engine I have.... a little out of my budget. Actually about $2,300 out of my budget, lol. The reliabililty gained would be great, but not at that price.





I'm still open for suggestions if anyone's got any....

Nice work Jim. Definitely paint it red, or the gm orange, looks really good.

Keep it sexy. Red.

Now that's a little more logical approach. Yes, the carb you can swtich at anytime. And again, who knows, after a little checking around you might just need to switch metering rods, or jets with some adjusting and not need a new one?

You can get a master kit that comes with the pump and the whole 9 yards. Water pump, again, cheap insurance, why not?

Just make sure your motor is in spec first, ie, what the cylinder bor eis at, has it been bored out, tapper and out of round etc.

Questions on the paint.... wait... I'll post new thread on that.

blown 504ci BBC on methanol
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/92caprice/PROSPECTOR.jpg

Nice babs, but what does that have to do with this thread????

I think he's showing you the color scheme?

Also, please note: THAT IS NOT A DAILY DRIVEN CAR!

Ahah!!! Yeah but I all I can see is chrome... Hey Babs... got a close up???

I think it might be ALL chrome, polished, and anodized.

And again, who knows, after a little checking around you might just need to switch metering rods, or jets with some adjusting and not need a new one?

No... it's a piece of shit. It's a WORKING piece of shit, but a piece of shit none-the-less. So if it works, I can get by with it until get the the extra flow... whenever the hell that's gonna happen.

So yeah... I sent back the 850 Holley my wife bought me for my Bday. Gonna start trying to order shit next weekend or so.

That's to bad ou couldn't keep the one she got you. Woulda been a nice crown for your fire-box.

Yeah well it was the classic finish and I wanted shiny anyway...

But I'm not sure whether 850 was too big or not. I read an article that said if you oversize the carb it can affect performance negatively. Not sure who to believe, but I very well may settle fo the middle and get an 800 double pumper in the shiny finish.

Yeah well it was the classic finish and I wanted shiny anyway...

But I'm not sure whether 850 was too big or not. I read an article that said if you oversize the carb it can affect performance negatively.


That's what I ve been trying to tell you, you need ot get all your specs together. From the sounds of it, I think you might be ok with a 750-800cfm, but that's guesstimating it. When you get your specs let me know, I have a chart floating around in my notes somewhere.

Did you look into the Street Avenger Series with the polished finishes? They are much easier to adjust by far and aren't too bad on price either.

Nice babs, but what does that have to do with this thread????on the topics of different engines, i said 572ci first then 92Z said 737ci so i threw that in, bet you camaro would be fast then:evillol:

That's what I ve been trying to tell you, you need ot get all your specs together. From the sounds of it, I think you might be ok with a 750-800cfm, but that's guesstimating it. When you get your specs let me know, I have a chart floating around in my notes somewhere.

Did you look into the Street Avenger Series with the polished finishes? They are much easier to adjust by far and aren't too bad on price either.

Yeah I did look at them... but considering that the engine has no vacuum to work the secondaries.... that's one of the reasons (actually the main reason) I'm looking at going to a double pumper.

I even considered adding a vacuum pump, but why buy a new carb & vaccum pump when I can just get a new carb and be done???

And yes, I need a new carb... I've noticed several drywall screws on it, and I may NOT know what I"m talking about some times, hell even most of the time, but I do know there ain't supposed to be any drywall screws on a carburetor. Rather than guess what other creative fabrications have been added to it, I'm just going to get a new one.

Yeah I did look at them... but considering that the engine has no vacuum to work the secondaries.... that's one of the reasons (actually the main reason) I'm looking at going to a double pumper.

I even considered adding a vacuum pump, but why buy a new carb & vaccum pump when I can just get a new carb and be done???

And yes, I need a new carb... I've noticed several drywall screws on it, and I may NOT know what I"m talking about some times, hell even most of the time, but I do know there ain't supposed to be any drywall screws on a carburetor. Rather than guess what other creative fabrications have been added to it, I'm just going to get a new one.
lol... tht might be a good idea

on the topics of different engines, i said 572ci first then 92Z said 737ci so i threw that in, bet you camaro would be fast then:evillol:

MEh.. right now, with one cylinder down, another with a f'd up plug wire, valve lash all f'd up..... I'll bet it runs in the low 5's now.

Seriously though, I just want to clean it up and make it reliable.

Yeah I bet.. but be glad that you dont have a stock mid 70s Camaro.. talk about WEAK

You saw the Blues Brothers... where they get out of the old cop car and the whole thing falls apart.... that is my worst fear.

She's parked and I'm gonna go through her front to back and tighten everything up, on top of the engine and trans rebuild.

that will be sweet to have it running again, early 2nd gens looked so bad ass

What year is it again Jim?

haha you know whats funny....on his profile and interests, his wife and kids come after his car and dog

haha you know whats funny....on his profile and interests, his wife and kids come after his car and dog

Heh, forgot to fix that when I added the pic's back.

1970... 454-roller cam, 11:1 compression, 4 speed, 4.11's... one ignorant bitch.

Fixed... took off my house... hate that son of a bitch.

no, thats how it should be, car and dog first lol

Lol. Nice.

4 speed auto or manual? Cause if its a manual, i'd like to drive that.. :lol:

He's only started like 10 threads in the past about his trans. :shakehead:

It's a stick.

He's only started like 10 threads in the past about his trans. :shakehead:

It's a stick.

I dont remember hearing if it was a stick or auto. so :slap:

Mr. Gideon, you're not paying attention.

:flipa:

hey jim, wanna buy a BBC roller cam setup, fairly lumpy cam and roller lifters, it can go for cheap, close up of what BTW, the engine? also a carb that is too big can kill power, i would go with something like a 750 or a 800, also clean up them headers or get new ones, takes some polish to them vlave covers, and while your at it give me your CAR DAMMIT

86'ing the headers - getting Dynomax Ceramacoats (only ones I could find for my app in ceramic), want to get new valve covers, know what style I want, but don't know if I can get them the way I want....
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1488/valvecovers1an.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Wanted chrome with red CHEVROLET. I'll figger somethin out.

I'm guessing I should get new motor mounts and all that bullshit while I'm at it, huh??? Planning on it anyway.



Dylan, lmao... 10 threads on my M22... you're close.

hey jim, wanna buy a BBC roller cam setup, fairly lumpy cam and roller lifters, it can go for cheap, close up of what BTW, the engine? also a carb that is too big can kill power, i would go with something like a 750 or a 800, also clean up them headers or get new ones, takes some polish to them vlave covers, and while your at it give me your CAR DAMMIT

Got a roller cam in it and it's REAL lopey. I'm gonna mooch a video cam when it's redone and post a clip up. If I tried it before, with my luck, the engine will blow and the tranny will let loose.

86'ing the headers - getting Dynomax Ceramacoats (only ones I could find for my app in ceramic), want to get new valve covers, know what style I want, but don't know if I can get them the way I want....
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1488/valvecovers1an.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Wanted chrome with red CHEVROLET. I'll figger somethin out.

I'm guessing I should get new motor mounts and all that bullshit while I'm at it, huh??? Planning on it anyway.



Dylan, lmao... 10 threads on my M22... you're close.
get ones like that spend some time to polish them the pull out the paint, dont forget to clear them after though. you should throw a diff intake manifold at that thing to, whats it got right now

Got a roller cam in it and it's REAL lopey. I'm gonna mooch a video cam when it's redone and post a clip up. If I tried it before, with my luck, the engine will blow and the tranny will let loose.
BTW what kind of comdition are you current headers in, any major dents? if not i would just bead blast em them put a nice coat of high temp paint on em

1. Headers have pin holes by the manifold. And I'm too f'ing lazy to clean them up. They leak like a sieve, smell like exhaust after driving it for 2 feet.

2. Was planning to get an Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake, but need to see if I'll have the money first. The current is a cast iron GM (I think)... it has a big assed "W" towards the back of it if my memory serves me correctly, I'll post all that stuff up when I get to taking it off.

3. You mean I can buy those valve covers and polish them, paint the "Chevrolet" on them and seal them??? If so... SWEET! I didn't think that was a good idea, but if it will work, then I'll give it go, cause I don't think I'm gonna find what I want anyplace.

A-We all seem to be coming unanimus on the 750-800 cfm range :D

B-That would then be a weiland intake and I was thinking air gap too.

C-You can get a set of of nice valve covers cruising the swap meets. I almost baught a set of polished Chevrolet ones with the red bow tie. Guy had em marked 45 and worked him to $20, didn't but em though.

I figured out last night what I want to get, and my buget is like $150 short... Helloooooooo overtime!

And I need a little cushion... Hellloooooooooo MORE overtime!

One question... I'm guessing I'm going to have to wait until I get the engine out and paprt to know EXACTLY what I need to order right??? Obvioulsy I can do the plug wires, and maybe the headers and intake now, but as far as gaskets, oil pump, oil pan, etc.... I'm going to have to actually have it apart and take measurements to order that stuff right???

Well, you want to be concerned with the condition of cylinders at that point to determine what you need.

1. Headers have pin holes by the manifold. And I'm too f'ing lazy to clean them up. They leak like a sieve, smell like exhaust after driving it for 2 feet.

2. Was planning to get an Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake, but need to see if I'll have the money first. The current is a cast iron GM (I think)... it has a big assed "W" towards the back of it if my memory serves me correctly, I'll post all that stuff up when I get to taking it off.

3. You mean I can buy those valve covers and polish them, paint the "Chevrolet" on them and seal them??? If so... SWEET! I didn't think that was a good idea, but if it will work, then I'll give it go, cause I don't think I'm gonna find what I want anyplace.
air gap would be good, and yes you should be able to polish them suckers up, are they aluminum? if so then yah, make sure you take your time though and take some real fine grit sand paper and smooth them out as smooth as possible, for them no look nice, i would use a 300, 800 1200, 2000, to get them as smooth as possible, then get a buffing wheel for the grinder and some different color compunds, (green white black and red) and start with the most course compund and work your way down