EVO IX RS vs. Camaro SS

Well my last thread created a lot of controvery, so I guess I'll post this race up just to show I do not BS. So I was on the 57 South Freeway heading towards the city of Orange, when a very nice Camaro SS pulls a long my side. I noticed it, but didn't do anything, but he started taking off and slowing down, not much I could do with a car in front of me. So anyways it starts to clear up and the SS is still by my side, so I decide to have a go. So I look over at him and ask him if he wants to go, and he nods yes. So I downshift to third and take off, and then shift to 4th and I have about a car on him, but he is creeping up, and by the time I shift to 5th he is ahead by half a car and pulling. At around 120mph I let off and he is about a car, maybe a car and a half in front. So I lost, but I expected too, those Camaro SS are pretty fast from a roll. I just wanted to see how I would hold up. The Camaro SS looked stock, atleast the exhaust did. Oh well you win some and you lose some. It's cool though, I was starting to think my EVO was losing power or something, I guess I just am getting use to the power. Time to mod.

evo 9 rs.......how many models are there for the new evos? rs.....is that the turbocharged one? there is also a model that comes N/A correct? is the MR models sold here in the states? yeh nice race

I believe all the new Evo's are using a turbocharged 4G63. And yes, the MR is still sold in the states.

Here's some info on the RS from their site.

Comes standard with: a factory performance-tuned (2.0-liter, MIVEC (http://www.mitsubishicars.com/#) DOHC, 16-valve, turbocharged and intercooled) engine with 286 horsepower and 289 lb-ft of torque, front-mounted air-to-air intercooler, close-ratio five-speed manual transmission with aluminum shift knob* and Teflon-coated cables, full-time AWD with an electronic Active Center Differential (with three driver-selectable modes—tarmac, snow and gravel), aluminum body panels (roof, front fenders and hood), rear-end strut bar, turbo boost gauge kit*, four-wheel ventilated Brembo® disc brakes, 17" x 8" double-five spoke Enkei® aluminum alloy wheels, speed-rated Yokohama P235/45 Advan® (high-grip, soft-compound) radial tires, front Recaro® bucket seats with premium Alcantara® fabric, leather-wrapped Momo® three-spoke steering wheel and more.


As far as I can tell, one of these would give an SS a run for their money. Aren't these posting mid-13 1320 times? An SS may have a V8, but that doesn't make it invincible.

To be honest im kinda surprised that the SS won...Ive seen vids of the Evo IX takin out ferrari's from a dig. Now this is completely different on the highway because the all wheel drive actually hurts the performance of the Evo because its splitting up all the power. I have a Lincoln Mark VIII and Ive been able to beat modded WRX Sti's on the highway but from a dig....i get my ass handed to me. The RWD V8's are more powerful on the highway and can pull a lot harder than the AWD forced induction 4 cylinders. Either way both are sweet cars and I would love to have one....:grinyes:

Nice run. Unlike a lot of previous small block V8's, the LS1 has some poop on the highway.

I believe all the new Evo's are using a turbocharged 4G63. And yes, the MR is still sold in the states.

Here's some info on the RS from their site.

Comes standard with: a factory performance-tuned (2.0-liter, MIVEC (http://www.mitsubishicars.com/#) DOHC, 16-valve, turbocharged and intercooled) engine with 286 horsepower and 289 lb-ft of torque, front-mounted air-to-air intercooler, close-ratio five-speed manual transmission with aluminum shift knob* and Teflon-coated cables, full-time AWD with an electronic Active Center Differential (with three driver-selectable modes—tarmac, snow and gravel), aluminum body panels (roof, front fenders and hood), rear-end strut bar, turbo boost gauge kit*, four-wheel ventilated Brembo® disc brakes, 17" x 8" double-five spoke Enkei® aluminum alloy wheels, speed-rated Yokohama P235/45 Advan® (high-grip, soft-compound) radial tires, front Recaro® bucket seats with premium Alcantara® fabric, leather-wrapped Momo® three-spoke steering wheel and more.


As far as I can tell, one of these would give an SS a run for their money. Aren't these posting mid-13 1320 times? An SS may have a V8, but that doesn't make it invincible.


yaeh the RS is a very basic lightweight EVO, its the second fastest EVO you can get. only the MR is faster.

they usually post times anywhere from low 13's to high 12's stock. and they trap anywhere from 103-105mph stock. very very quick cars.

you definitily did better then i thought, you must've surprised the hell out of him too.

What makes the MR faster?

Good race, staying that close on the highway with an SS speaks well of your car 's all around performance

What makes the MR faster?

Good race, staying that close on the highway with an SS speaks well of your car 's all around performance


Gearing I do believe, the 6 speed manual helps make it a bit quicker than the RS which is lighter weight.

evo 9 rs.......how many models are there for the new evos? rs.....is that the turbocharged one? there is also a model that comes N/A correct? is the MR models sold here in the states? yeh nice race

You. Car. Over cliff. Now.

Good race, I'm looking at Evos right now for a next ride, as well as STis and last gen F Bodies. I'm leaning more towards the Evo, but I kinda like the interior styling ot the STi better, and I found a Camaro with a 402 for 15k...God, decisions. Anyways, again, nice race, you win some, you loose some. Now, get a Turboback and an ECU reflash, and find that 'Maro.


Or you could be a real bad ass and take of that weak sauce hair dryer and get a GT42R...

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_camaro.jpg

check out its trap speed after running 13.4

This Camaro SS, powered by the same 320-hp LS1 V8 as our Pontiac Firebird Formula WS-6, ran a 13.42 at 106.15 mph - more than quick enough to beat archrival Mustang and assure its place on the quickest-Camaros-of-all-time list. However, it's not even close to the blistering time delivered by the Pontiac. Why?

The answer, again, is traction. The Camaro is very difficult to launch cleanly. Too many revs, like anything over 1500, and the tires go up in smoke for all of First gear. Too few and the car bogs. The Firebird, however, is very easy to launch. Tach up to 2500 rpm, ride the clutch just a bit and you're out of there. Why the difference between the two seemingly identical cars? That's like asking why two socks go in the laundry and only one comes out. It's one of the mysteries of the world, especially when you consider that both cars wear the same-size Goodyear Eagle F1 tires, have the same engine, same gearing, etc.

Despite being slower than its GM brother, the Camaro is still one of the most fun cars to blast down the track thanks to its awesome engine, its strong clutch, its short throw shifter and its musclecar soundtrack. This car rumbles up to the line. It launches with a roar from its two exhaust pipes and it sounds like Steve McQueen's Mustang running after that Dodge Charger on the gear changes.

Test Summary:
Chevrolet Camaro SS

* Base price: $20,870, Price as tested: $27,466
* Engine: 5.7-liter/346.0 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8
* HP: 320 @ 5200 rpm, Torque: 345 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpm
* Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear drive
* Rear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slip
* Curb weight: 3439 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.8
* Horsepower per liter: 56.1, Tires: 275/40ZR17
* Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.27 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.27 sec.
* 1/4 mile: 13.42 sec. @ 106.15 mph

Nice death, sounds like it could have been a whole different race if you were guys were at a stop. But you weren't and he had you beat at the top end.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_camaro.jpg

check out its trap speed after running 13.4

This Camaro SS, powered by the same 320-hp LS1 V8 as our Pontiac Firebird Formula WS-6, ran a 13.42 at 106.15 mph - more than quick enough to beat archrival Mustang and assure its place on the quickest-Camaros-of-all-time list. However, it's not even close to the blistering time delivered by the Pontiac. Why?

The answer, again, is traction. The Camaro is very difficult to launch cleanly. Too many revs, like anything over 1500, and the tires go up in smoke for all of First gear. Too few and the car bogs. The Firebird, however, is very easy to launch. Tach up to 2500 rpm, ride the clutch just a bit and you're out of there. Why the difference between the two seemingly identical cars? That's like asking why two socks go in the laundry and only one comes out. It's one of the mysteries of the world, especially when you consider that both cars wear the same-size Goodyear Eagle F1 tires, have the same engine, same gearing, etc.

Despite being slower than its GM brother, the Camaro is still one of the most fun cars to blast down the track thanks to its awesome engine, its strong clutch, its short throw shifter and its musclecar soundtrack. This car rumbles up to the line. It launches with a roar from its two exhaust pipes and it sounds like Steve McQueen's Mustang running after that Dodge Charger on the gear changes.

Test Summary:
Chevrolet Camaro SS

* Base price: $20,870, Price as tested: $27,466
* Engine: 5.7-liter/346.0 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8
* HP: 320 @ 5200 rpm, Torque: 345 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpm
* Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear drive
* Rear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slip
* Curb weight: 3439 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.8
* Horsepower per liter: 56.1, Tires: 275/40ZR17
* Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.27 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.27 sec.
* 1/4 mile: 13.42 sec. @ 106.15 mph


Mmm 345 ft.-lb's of Corvette-lickin goodness.

Mmm 345 ft.-lb's of Corvette-lickin goodness.


Corvette lickin whaaa???

It's the same motor as the vette had in those years, just with a bit less HP. The Vette is still faster by a good amount due to more power and mostly less weight...

he meant 345lbs of corvette tq, the c5 has the same amount of tq,

from the LS1 engine

he meant 345lbs of corvette tq, the c5 has the same amount of tq,

from the LS1 engine


Okay, I suppose that makes more sense. I thought he ment the Camaro was a corvette killer when he used the term "lickin".

Still, lickin' is a strange word usage.:screwy:

Good loss!?!?!

They are hardcore on the freeway, defentally good to even keep up! Fun to run with in any case!

To be honest im kinda surprised that the SS won...Ive seen vids of the Evo IX takin out ferrari's from a dig. Now this is completely different on the highway because the all wheel drive actually hurts the performance of the Evo because its splitting up all the power. I have a Lincoln Mark VIII and Ive been able to beat modded WRX Sti's on the highway but from a dig....i get my ass handed to me. The RWD V8's are more powerful on the highway and can pull a lot harder than the AWD forced induction 4 cylinders. Either way both are sweet cars and I would love to have one....:grinyes:

no thats not it at all. The SS has more rwhp, so it takes over on the highway, because in the end it is faster. The AWD seems like it hampers it on the top end, but all it does is help its low end.

AWD doesn't kill people on the high end as much as everyone says. WHP is WHP, regardless of what wheels they are going to.

Still, lickin' is a strange word usage.:screwy:

you got a problem with lickin?

you got a problem with lickin?


Who licks a Corvette though? I thought people just did that to VW's....

AWD doesn't kill people on the high end as much as everyone says. WHP is WHP, regardless of what wheels they are going to.


The only problem with awd cars is that they need more bhp than a fwd or rwd car to make a certain amount of whp. Other than that you're right, whp is whp.

Although gearing and other things come into play as well to hinder them on the highway. STi's and Evo's arent ment for the highway. They are rally cars ment for bottom and midrange quickness.

Well before I had the wonderful fortune of owning this beautiful IX RS, I was a long time EVO fan, been a very active member of evolutionm.net for over two years before I even owned an EVO, so I often wondered what was the biggest hinderous to an EVO during a high speed roll.

Well the LS1 Camaro SS is a very powerful car, but oddly enough it's power to weight is not much greater if it's at all than my EVO. Camaro SS have always been underrated and have been making anywhere from 280RWHP to 300RWHP stock, some have made even more. The EVO IXs have been making anywhere from 260AWHP to 280AWHP stock, and some have made more. The LS1 Camaro SS weighs in approx. 3400Lbs compared to my EVO IX RS that weighs in just under 3200Lbs. So as you can see the power to weight isn't as far off as some may think.

The biggest hinderous I have found for a stock 5-Speed Manual EVO, now being a new EVO owner is the gearing. 3rd gear and 4th gear are just too damn short. That is why the best modification any EVO owner can do fo his or her EVO is get a Flash or any kind of ECU tuning. Not only does it add a substantial power increase of 25-45WHP depending on the tuner and level of modifications, but it also has the capacity to up the rev limiter from 7100-7200RPM, to 7600-7800RPM. This means I am longer on the gas between shifts.

In the next couple of months I plan to add a Works Drop In Air Filter, RNR Turbo Back Exhaust w/ Test Pipe, Forge UNOS Manual Boost Controller, and EcuTek Flash and Tune. If my numbers are similiar to all the other IXs that have similiar mods and tune, I should be making close to 340AWHP on pump gas. My EVO should turn into a completely new beast, with the added power and increase in the rev limiter. Another EVO with similiar modifications just recently ran a 11.9@116MPH, but he made 355-360AWHP on 93 octane pump gas (I only have the option of 91 octane pump gas)

Who licks a Corvette though? I thought people just did that to VW's....

Not only VWs...


http://www.southperk.com/pictures2/2092.jpg

^LOL Family Guy is the best show in the world, hands down.

yea camaros have been underrated for as long as i can remember. Most people think of a camaro and think of the mid 14 second LT1 cars of the mid 90's, the 99-02 z28 and SS were totally reborn beasts. I don't car what ur driving, if you see one of these cars, get ready for a fight.

yea camaros have been underrated for as long as i can remember. Most people think of a camaro and think of the mid 14 second LT1 cars of the mid 90's, the 99-02 z28 and SS were totally reborn beasts. I don't car what ur driving, if you see one of these cars, get ready for a fight.


Im not to concerned, fasted stock camero was 13.6. 3rd gear is where my evo hurts. If we go from a dig or a slower roll it really wont be a prob unless I dont know how to drive. Gm needs to make another mainstreet street car soon (saw their releasing the camaro again? 07?) to give the awd class some real competition thats sub $45k.

1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

Im not to concerned, fasted stock camero was 13.6. 3rd gear is where my evo hurts. If we go from a dig or a slower roll it really wont be a prob unless I dont know how to drive. Gm needs to make another mainstreet street car soon (saw their releasing the camaro again? 07?) to give the awd class some real competition thats sub $45k.

1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

Haha...those times are a joke. If your Evo VIII is stock don't bother trying to race an LS1 on the highway, you'll stand much more of a chance from a dig and even then you could be beat.

yaeh the RS is a very basic lightweight EVO, its the second fastest EVO you can get. only the MR is faster...
What is your definition of faster? If it's top speed then you're wrong. Both the GSR, MR and RS hit about 160mph. If it's 1/4 mile times then you're wrong again. The RS is the quickest off the showroom floor because it's the lightest. If you're talking about 0-60mph then you're wrong again. The '05 Evo VIII RS pulled off a 4.3 in one magazine last year. I can't imagine that the more powerfull '06 IX RS could be any slower. Where is the MR faster?

Haha...those times are a joke. If your Evo VIII is stock don't bother trying to race an LS1 on the highway, you'll stand much more of a chance from a dig and even then you could be beat.


true times. and I have raced a newer camaro on the highway and won.

What is your definition of faster? If it's top speed then you're wrong. Both the GSR, MR and RS hit about 160mph. If it's 1/4 mile times then you're wrong again. The RS is the quickest off the showroom floor because it's the lightest. If you're talking about 0-60mph then you're wrong again. The '05 Evo VIII RS pulled off a 4.3 in one magazine last year. I can't imagine that the more powerfull '06 IX RS could be any slower. Where is the MR faster?

talkin about road racing. the standard EVO is too heavy, the RS is lighter, and has a helical limited slip up front. the MR has a 6 speed and bilstien shocks. however i could be wrong, do all evo's from 05 up have bilstiens? and what else did the MR come with other then the 6 speed?

true times. and I have raced a newer camaro on the highway and won.

then the driver was a joke, had problems with his car, or didnt race

then the driver was a joke, had problems with his car, or didnt race



Yup, what TV said...:iagree:


Edit: Or he was racing a tired LT1.

:1:

My friend's ws6 pulled off a 13.1 bone stock. LS1s will walk you highway if your evo is stock.

:1:

My friend's ws6 pulled off a 13.1 bone stock. LS1s will walk you highway if your evo is stock.


If both cars have compitant drivers it makes for a good 1/4 mile matchup at least. But the open road is a different story. I love the 1998 Camaro 1/4 mile time he posted...13.6 :lol: That's good stuff. This is why I don't bother with magazine times.

talkin about road racing. the standard EVO is too heavy, the RS is lighter, and has a helical limited slip up front. the MR has a 6 speed and bilstien shocks. however i could be wrong, do all evo's from 05 up have bilstiens? and what else did the MR come with other then the 6 speed?


The MR has an upgraded stereo I believe, as well as some other interior goodies. Oh yeah, the wing comes standard on the MR but it's an option on the RS and I believe the standard car as well.

If both cars have compitant drivers it makes for a good 1/4 mile matchup at least. But the open road is a different story. I love the 1998 Camaro 1/4 mile time he posted...13.6 :lol: That's good stuff. This is why I don't bother with magazine times.


got em from here:
http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

if you can find me a more complete and you believe accurate source of 1/4 mile times than post it. The times here reflect times posted and listed elsewhere exactly... so why would the 13.6 on the 98 camaro be wrong? When you consider in 1998 (7-8 yrs ago) that was damn fast whats the question of the time?

This is why I don't bother with magazine times.

True.

Instead, you rely on your crooked perception of what fast is. Like how you feel that your high-14-second car should keep up with with a low-13-second Evo.

You should try asking some of the members in here that actually own an LS1-powered car what their cars run?

High 12's is possible, but an extreme rarity for a stock LS1. Same story for Evos, especially IX's. (Mid-low 13's usually, with 12's possible with the right driver.)

Well, I've got a 01 Z28 with the godly LS1 and 6speed as many of you know... 01-02's were the strongest of the Fbody's due to the LS6 intake manifold and a few minor tweaks.

Regularly dyno out at about 310-315whp.

I've got just a few bolt ons, cat-back and a K&N Lid... I doubt the car would go much faster than 13.7 with it's current tires (245 Kumhos). If it had 275's maybe a touch faster from being able to come off the line a bit harder, so I'd say 13.4-13.5 realisticly.

True.

Instead, you rely on your crooked perception of what fast is. Like how you feel that your high-14-second car should keep up with with a low-13-second Evo.

You should try asking some of the members in here that actually own an LS1-powered car what their cars run?

High 12's is possible, but an extreme rarity for a stock LS1. Same story for Evos, especially IX's. (Mid-low 13's usually, with 12's possible with the right driver.)



So does this change the fact that an Evo stands no chance against an LS1 powered F-body on the highway? No, it does not.

I haven't raced an Evo yet, but I have raced a City Bus once, once we hit 60mph, my top end killed him.

I haven't raced an Evo yet, but I have raced a City Bus once, once we hit 60mph, my top end killed him.




Good one.

1972 Datsun 240Z 9.0 16.3

2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4

see...im soo much slower than you...wanna go for it?

:evillol:

talkin about road racing. the standard EVO is too heavy, the RS is lighter, and has a helical limited slip up front. the MR has a 6 speed and bilstien shocks. however i could be wrong, do all evo's from 05 up have bilstiens? and what else did the MR come with other then the 6 speed?
I terms of performance, the only thing the MR or GSR does better than the RS is braking in certain situations with certain amateur drivers. The RS does not have ABS or EBD like the GSR and MR. Some experienced drivers prefer NOT to have ABS and for them the RS would be the weapon of choice. For most of us the ABS/EBD in the MR and GSR would be the best way for braking in the shortest distance.

For MY '04 the USDM Evo VIII RS became the first and only Evo to come from the factory with a front LSD. The next year all models had an LSD and that is still the case for the '06 IX.

The 6 speed tranny and Bilstein shocks are specific to the MR. They make for a softer ride and slightly better gas mileage on the freeway. I've never heard anybody claim they created any sort of performance advantage though. The MR also has the vortex generator, aluminum roof (so does the RS), teflon coated linkage (so does the RS) and a factory 38mm gauge "sports" cluster with boost, oil pressure and volts (so does the RS).

:1:

My friend's ws6 pulled off a 13.1 bone stock. LS1s will walk you highway if your evo is stock.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_firebird.jpg

so did this one

This was the shocker of the day. This car just may be the quickest stock Firebird of all time. And when you consider its $26,000 price tag, the cheapest of all 13 cars, the Firebird easily wins "bang for the buck" title.

How do we explain this Formula's awesome performance? How can we explain its 13.15-second ET and 108.27 mph trap speed, which is more than two-tenths of a second and 2 mph better than the Camaro? Like we said before, we can't. However, we can guess. First: weight. This Firebird is a stripper, without heavy options like power windows, power seat, etc. Second: tolerances. Sometimes they stack up and you get a faster car. Sometimes they don't.

Whatever it was, this Ram Air Pontiac ran down the track like it was born to, spitting out the most wonderful V8 baritone tune from the tree to the traps. The LS1 engine has a wonderfully flat torque curve, but it lays down at 5500 rpm, 500 revs shy of its redline. Shifting there netted us our best time.

And what sweet shifts they are.

Flatfoot shift Second and this Formula has enough grunt to lay down two 10-ft. stripes on the asphalt. You can bark the dogs in Third as well. We did miss one shift, however, when our sweaty palm slipped off the Firebird's plastic baby-butt-smooth shift knob.

Test Summary:
Firebird Formula

Base price: $23,065, Price as tested: $26,800
Engine: 5.7-liter/346.0 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8
HP: 320 @ 5200 rpm, Torque: 345 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear drive
Rear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slip
Curb weight: 3341 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.4
Horsepower per liter: 56.1, Tires: 275/40ZR17
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.08 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.94 sec.
1/4 mile: 13.15 sec. @ 108.27 mph

The 69 would win, With some restoration and some good tuning.
And your Evolution only probably at 300 horses, while the 69 would be around 450 [with some basic add-ons].
But you would excellerate faster.
Corvettes can idle 1500 rpm while going 80 miles per hour in 6th gear.
Lots of torque.
Then comes the track, I would think the evo would beat the vette, if it was curey.

You want beat him. Add a bigger turbo new intake and get lighter pistons and rods.

The 69 would win, With some restoration and some good tuning.
And your Evolution only probably at 300 horses, while the 69 would be around 450 [with some basic add-ons].
But you would excellerate faster.
Corvettes can idle 1500 rpm while going 80 miles per hour in 6th gear.
Lots of torque.
Then comes the track, I would think the evo would beat the vette, if it was curey.

You want beat him. Add a bigger turbo new intake and get lighter pistons and rods.



69??? Whaaaa?

69??? Whaaaa? Yeah that's what I was thinking. Isn't the Burt Reynolds special like a '77 or '78 model year Camaro?

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Isn't the Burt Reynolds special like a '77 or '78 model year Camaro?

Opps...sry
But when I test drove a friends vette, I noticed I could idle at 80 miles per hour! But the gearbox is to hard. The shifting is so hard, it is not smooth. I wonder how much you can squeeze out if you got twin turbo?

Camaro are powerful. They have so much torque. I wonder if you could change some parts, to get more power than torque.
Do you guys think the 2009 Camaro will be good.

P.S. sry for jumping around.

You're an idiot. Please leave.

You're an idiot. Please leave.


Very diplomatic Matt, I like that one. I'll have to write that one down. :lol:

Hmmm...I see that being political is a tad bit overrated. Good one Matt. Took the words right out of my mouth.

You're an idiot. Please leave.Haha. We were all thinking it after the twin turbo question but when you put it so eloquently...

Well before I had the wonderful fortune of owning this beautiful IX RS, I was a long time EVO fan, been a very active member of evolutionm.net for over two years before I even owned an EVO, so I often wondered what was the biggest hinderous to an EVO during a high speed roll.

Well the LS1 Camaro SS is a very powerful car, but oddly enough it's power to weight is not much greater if it's at all than my EVO. Camaro SS have always been underrated and have been making anywhere from 280RWHP to 300RWHP stock, some have made even more. The EVO IXs have been making anywhere from 260AWHP to 280AWHP stock, and some have made more. The LS1 Camaro SS weighs in approx. 3400Lbs compared to my EVO IX RS that weighs in just under 3200Lbs. So as you can see the power to weight isn't as far off as some may think.

The biggest hinderous I have found for a stock 5-Speed Manual EVO, now being a new EVO owner is the gearing. 3rd gear and 4th gear are just too damn short. That is why the best modification any EVO owner can do fo his or her EVO is get a Flash or any kind of ECU tuning. Not only does it add a substantial power increase of 25-45WHP depending on the tuner and level of modifications, but it also has the capacity to up the rev limiter from 7100-7200RPM, to 7600-7800RPM. This means I am longer on the gas between shifts.

In the next couple of months I plan to add a Works Drop In Air Filter, RNR Turbo Back Exhaust w/ Test Pipe, Forge UNOS Manual Boost Controller, and EcuTek Flash and Tune. If my numbers are similiar to all the other IXs that have similiar mods and tune, I should be making close to 340AWHP on pump gas. My EVO should turn into a completely new beast, with the added power and increase in the rev limiter. Another EVO with similiar modifications just recently ran a 11.9@116MPH, but he made 355-360AWHP on 93 octane pump gas (I only have the option of 91 octane pump gas)


I've owned an Evo. Totally different to compare wheel horsepower numbers. You have to rev the piss out of an Evo to get the high numbers. Look at an LS1's dyno, and you'll see it has alot more power across the overall rpm gauge. Don't challenge an LS1 with a torque converter and drag radials from a dig, thinking your awd will give you an advantage. I've seen them cut a 1.6 sec. 60' time. If you run into an M6, chances are you'll murder him from a dig though.

Nice car btw. I really miss the handling of my former Evo. This car has too much body roll.

Let me know if you wanna run me, as I live nearby you.

check this evo own couple 600+ mustangs...lol

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6789380249556520180&q=evo+cobras

check this evo own couple 600+ mustangs...lol

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6789380249556520180&q=evo+cobras



Are you even on the same planet as the rest of us?

check this evo own couple 600+ mustangs...lol

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6789380249556520180&q=evo+cobras


lol... wow....


you're neat.

Not to butt in but ive seen a bone stock 01 SS run a 12.88
its currently a 8 second car

Not to butt in but ive seen a bone stock 01 SS run a 12.88
its currently a 8 second car


Yup, it happens. Not too often, but it does happen. Most any LS1 powered car can do 12.99's and a bit lower in stock form with a good track prep and "reasonable" climate. It's just up to the driver to get it there. However, for the most part they are a low 13 sec car, but are CAPABLE of 12's. Not bad at all.

Still a good match for a stock Evo in the 1320.

Yup, it happens. Not too often, but it does happen. Most any LS1 powered car can do 12.99's and a bit lower in stock form with a good track prep and "reasonable" climate. It's just up to the driver to get it there. However, for the most part they are a low 13 sec car, but are CAPABLE of 12's. Not bad at all.

Still a good match for a stock Evo in the 1320.

yes it happens but its real rare, most ls1 guys can't get into the 12's with some bolt on's, i have yet to try this task myself as i havent ran a 1/4 mile track

good match for evo in 1320,
bad match for evo on highway
*note i recently "lost" to a 350z on the highway, i would of had hime had there not been a car in front of me,but as soon as we hit it he pulled about 3-4 cars on me, (bc when i hit it clutch slipped) i pulled within a car before i had to hit the brakes

Spec stage 3 arrives tommorow, anyone know how much it costs to get your flywheel resurfaced? [/hijack]

yes it happens but its real rare, most ls1 guys can't get into the 12's with some bolt on's, i have yet to try this task myself as i havent ran a 1/4 mile track

good match for evo in 1320,
bad match for evo on highway
*note i recently "lost" to a 350z on the highway, i would of had hime had there not been a car in front of me,but as soon as we hit it he pulled about 3-4 cars on me, (bc when i hit it clutch slipped) i pulled within a car before i had to hit the brakes

Spec stage 3 arrives tommorow, anyone know how much it costs to get your flywheel resurfaced? [/hijack]


ha.. spec stage 3... just becareful breaking it in with all the clutch chatter. It blew up my rearend within a month.... and six weeks/$900 later it was fixed....