Lemon Law?
ned032002
03-04-2006, 11:21 PM
So I bought a 93 Ford Thunderbird LX 3.8 V6 Automatic Tranny. I bought it on 2/27/06 for $2500, the car has 80k miles on her and has been taken care of to the fullest even as far as having the car detailed 2 times a year. The tranny is slipping all of a sudden, I drove from her house which is only about 80 miles north of here and about 20 miles around here and now it is slipping. It's not so bad if I leave it in Drive but if I leave it in Over-Drive it slips like a bitch.
My real question is there some kind of law that protects people like me even if the car was sold as is? its only been 5 days since I've had the car and on the 3 day of having it the tranny starts slipping. And I assure all of you that I was not abusing the car in any way it just started to slip. Please help.
My real question is there some kind of law that protects people like me even if the car was sold as is? its only been 5 days since I've had the car and on the 3 day of having it the tranny starts slipping. And I assure all of you that I was not abusing the car in any way it just started to slip. Please help.
95_GSX
03-04-2006, 11:26 PM
First off that sucks big time...:(
I am sure that there isn't a federal law that protects you, but you would need to check into your state laws. I highly doubt there is because it becomes a contract issue. If your state is like mine then verbal contracts are binding and who ever you bought it from has no liability if the car was bought as is. Sorry hope that helps you out.:thumbsup:
I am sure that there isn't a federal law that protects you, but you would need to check into your state laws. I highly doubt there is because it becomes a contract issue. If your state is like mine then verbal contracts are binding and who ever you bought it from has no liability if the car was bought as is. Sorry hope that helps you out.:thumbsup:
Eclipse4ever
03-04-2006, 11:29 PM
I bought a 1997 GSX. Guy told me it was safe against crankwalk. In few weeks it crankwalked on me. I told him but he acted like it was something else. Got inspection on the car and took him to court. Got my money back.
A used car is a used car. You have no warranty and it might die 2 minutes after you bought it, its yours and you have to fix it. Now if you have a greement with seller about something and he backstabs you go to court.
A used car is a used car. You have no warranty and it might die 2 minutes after you bought it, its yours and you have to fix it. Now if you have a greement with seller about something and he backstabs you go to court.
ned032002
03-04-2006, 11:31 PM
This sucks more than I ever thought cause I had to pay the sales tax which was $200 then registration $119, then to fix a wheel bearing, a tire replacement and an inspection costed me $289 bucks. Ef'n bull shit man I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm broke and now this shit is happening and It's going to cost $1200 to get a rebuild. Any other help would be great, Thanks dude
95_GSX
03-04-2006, 11:43 PM
If there is something else I can help you out with let me know.
Check the bottom of this page (http://wrenchead.carparts.com/servlets/WebEPC35?ns=Drivetrain%20Transmission+and+Parts%20 1993%20FORD%20THUNDERBIRD&cl=jcw-carparts35&vc=1993|28|THU|13001&grc=11017&grd=Drivetrain&JCWRETURN=store.carparts.com&storeId=10401&catalogId=10101&sgc=12115) there is a ACDelco tranny for around $850, I don't know much about them though.:dunno:
here is a page of used trannies, hope this helps.;) car-part.com (http://car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi)
Check the bottom of this page (http://wrenchead.carparts.com/servlets/WebEPC35?ns=Drivetrain%20Transmission+and+Parts%20 1993%20FORD%20THUNDERBIRD&cl=jcw-carparts35&vc=1993|28|THU|13001&grc=11017&grd=Drivetrain&JCWRETURN=store.carparts.com&storeId=10401&catalogId=10101&sgc=12115) there is a ACDelco tranny for around $850, I don't know much about them though.:dunno:
here is a page of used trannies, hope this helps.;) car-part.com (http://car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi)
ned032002
03-04-2006, 11:47 PM
What really sucks is that I've put $3100 dollars into a car that requires $1200 more just to stay afloat. Thanks for your help man I'm just trying to deal with it.
Talon69
03-04-2006, 11:50 PM
did you buy it from a private party or dealer? private party your fucked!!!!
Dealer you can win!!!! I live in New York also and anything under 100k has warrenty. Anything over 100k is 30 day warrenty or 1000k. I went through this 3 years ago with a grand prix that was under 100k and i won, it took me 4 months but i nailed them bitches!!!! Attorney general in NY loves this kind of shit.
Dealer you can win!!!! I live in New York also and anything under 100k has warrenty. Anything over 100k is 30 day warrenty or 1000k. I went through this 3 years ago with a grand prix that was under 100k and i won, it took me 4 months but i nailed them bitches!!!! Attorney general in NY loves this kind of shit.
ned032002
03-04-2006, 11:53 PM
I bought it from some lady that posted the car in Auto Trader, she lives 80 miles from here.
EDMUND65
03-04-2006, 11:56 PM
thats what you get with ford!! THEY SUCK ASS THUS PROVEN BY YOUR WALLET
GTPSPEED
03-05-2006, 09:09 AM
i will tell you my last car was a real shiter and when i bought it the tranny did the same as yours,what i did was i bought a seprate warrenty from wynns they are out of calli i think financed 1,000 for the warrenty and took it to the shop and they fixed it for free,only thing is this is good if your broke cuz then you just pay a little a month to them for the warrenty and it covers even more than the tranny.my 2 cents
defiancy
03-05-2006, 03:38 PM
In California there are no lemon laws. If you buy it it's your responsibility. But I am pretty sure most other states have them.
SLoe
03-06-2006, 05:19 PM
I am pretty sure that even if it is sold as is, there is a 30 day implied warranty on used vehicles. That's not going to help you now though. Isn't Scottsee a car salesman? P.M. him.
95_GSX
03-06-2006, 06:16 PM
I am pretty sure that even if it is sold as is, there is a 30 day implied warranty on used vehicles. That's not going to help you now though. Isn't Scottsee a car salesman? P.M. him.
I doubt it but that might be a local law type of thing, and probably only for used car dealerships. Which this sounds like it was a private party transaction which would fall only under contract law. And with contract law what you say is what you get, and if this was an "as is" purchase then he has no recourse unless he can prove that the car was misrepresented. That would be a very hard thing to do.:wink:
I doubt it but that might be a local law type of thing, and probably only for used car dealerships. Which this sounds like it was a private party transaction which would fall only under contract law. And with contract law what you say is what you get, and if this was an "as is" purchase then he has no recourse unless he can prove that the car was misrepresented. That would be a very hard thing to do.:wink:
SLoe
03-06-2006, 06:36 PM
I think it was dateline, or 20/20 I saw that on IDK, but you are right according to the links below( and every other site I found) that it is State law not Fed. Does not apply to private sales.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/usedcar.htm
http://www.foreignborn.com/self-help/car_buying/3-usedcar_buy.htm
Buying from a Private Individual
An alternative to buying from a dealer is buying from an individual. You may see ads in newspapers, on bulletin boards, or on a car. Buying a car from a private individual is very different from buying a car from a dealer.
Private sellers generally are not covered by the Used Car Rule and don't have to use the Buyers Guide. (See Buyers Guide, above) However, you can use the Buyers Guide list as a shopping tool. You also can ask the seller if you can have the vehicle inspected by your mechanic.
Private sales usually are not covered by the "implied warranties" of state law. That means a private sale probably will be on an "as is" basis, unless your purchase agreement with the seller specifically states otherwise. If you have a written contract, the seller must live up to the promises stated in the contract. The car may also be covered by a manufacturer's warranty or a separately purchased service contract. However, warranties and service contracts may not be transferable, and other limits or costs may apply. Before you buy the car, ask to review its warranty or service contract. (See Warranties and Service Contracts)
Many states do not require individuals to ensure that their vehicles will pass state inspection or carry a minimum warranty before they offer them for sale. Ask your State Attorney General's office or local consumer protection agency about the requirements in your state.
Check with your state's motor's vehicle department on what paperwork you will need to register a vehicle.
Make sure the seller is not a dealer posing as an individual. That might mean the dealer is trying to evade the law and there may be problems with the car. Look at the title and registration. Make sure the seller is the registered owner of the vehicle.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/usedcar.htm
http://www.foreignborn.com/self-help/car_buying/3-usedcar_buy.htm
Buying from a Private Individual
An alternative to buying from a dealer is buying from an individual. You may see ads in newspapers, on bulletin boards, or on a car. Buying a car from a private individual is very different from buying a car from a dealer.
Private sellers generally are not covered by the Used Car Rule and don't have to use the Buyers Guide. (See Buyers Guide, above) However, you can use the Buyers Guide list as a shopping tool. You also can ask the seller if you can have the vehicle inspected by your mechanic.
Private sales usually are not covered by the "implied warranties" of state law. That means a private sale probably will be on an "as is" basis, unless your purchase agreement with the seller specifically states otherwise. If you have a written contract, the seller must live up to the promises stated in the contract. The car may also be covered by a manufacturer's warranty or a separately purchased service contract. However, warranties and service contracts may not be transferable, and other limits or costs may apply. Before you buy the car, ask to review its warranty or service contract. (See Warranties and Service Contracts)
Many states do not require individuals to ensure that their vehicles will pass state inspection or carry a minimum warranty before they offer them for sale. Ask your State Attorney General's office or local consumer protection agency about the requirements in your state.
Check with your state's motor's vehicle department on what paperwork you will need to register a vehicle.
Make sure the seller is not a dealer posing as an individual. That might mean the dealer is trying to evade the law and there may be problems with the car. Look at the title and registration. Make sure the seller is the registered owner of the vehicle.
ned032002
03-06-2006, 08:16 PM
This was an individual that I bought this car from not a dealer unfortunatly. As for you Mike I am still dealing with the fact that I now own 2 fords and I hate Fords.
Well on a semi-good note, I talked to the lady and she said that she will give me back what is left of the $2500 which is only $200. Which is much better than what I expected to get considering the fact that she never had to give me anything, she actually could have just ignored me but she heard me out. O well now I only have to save $1000 dollars instead of the $1200.
Well on a semi-good note, I talked to the lady and she said that she will give me back what is left of the $2500 which is only $200. Which is much better than what I expected to get considering the fact that she never had to give me anything, she actually could have just ignored me but she heard me out. O well now I only have to save $1000 dollars instead of the $1200.
scottsee
03-06-2006, 08:40 PM
Lemon laws are only for new cars. From any dealership used cars by federal law must post an "As Is" or "lemon buyback" in the window. On the as is, anything on that sticker for warrentys emplyed are binding, even if incorrect (like listing ballance of 5y-60k mile warrenty on a Toyota). There's also a document on the buyers aggrement that states the warrentys implied at the time of purchased.
The right of resision laws are all diffrent from state to state. Here in Washington there is a Lemon Law, and a right of resision for sulisitations made door to door. Meaning if you goto a dealership, buy a car and take delivery it's yours. Unless the car was deliverd to you at your residence, You then get 3 days... One weird Washington law is if you sell an Native Indian a car, you MUST deliver it to the Reservation or the contract is not binding...I've had to do that a couple times.
Most of your qestions can be answerd by the links that were provided...
The right of resision laws are all diffrent from state to state. Here in Washington there is a Lemon Law, and a right of resision for sulisitations made door to door. Meaning if you goto a dealership, buy a car and take delivery it's yours. Unless the car was deliverd to you at your residence, You then get 3 days... One weird Washington law is if you sell an Native Indian a car, you MUST deliver it to the Reservation or the contract is not binding...I've had to do that a couple times.
Most of your qestions can be answerd by the links that were provided...
95_GSX
03-07-2006, 02:09 AM
This was an individual that I bought this car from not a dealer unfortunatly. As for you Mike I am still dealing with the fact that I now own 2 fords and I hate Fords.
Well on a semi-good note, I talked to the lady and she said that she will give me back what is left of the $2500 which is only $200. Which is much better than what I expected to get considering the fact that she never had to give me anything, she actually could have just ignored me but she heard me out. O well now I only have to save $1000 dollars instead of the $1200.
Thats is awesome that she even gave you the time of day let alone what was left of what you had paid her. :thumbsup:
Well on a semi-good note, I talked to the lady and she said that she will give me back what is left of the $2500 which is only $200. Which is much better than what I expected to get considering the fact that she never had to give me anything, she actually could have just ignored me but she heard me out. O well now I only have to save $1000 dollars instead of the $1200.
Thats is awesome that she even gave you the time of day let alone what was left of what you had paid her. :thumbsup:
gthompson97
03-07-2006, 02:16 AM
Sounds like you're gonna have to go on Judge Judy. Let me know when the show airs so I can watch your case. ;)
Gsx_hooptie
03-07-2006, 10:27 AM
Ford trannies for those years suck. They're AOD or XOD IIRC. I've personally killed four. I bought a replacement directly through Ford the first time, mostly because I was stuck out of state and had no other options. They warranty their own stuff, which is good, because by the time I made it back home I was stranded twice when the first and second replacements both blew. They each lasted about 6 hours. The fourth one lasted three more years, for about 50,000 miles.
Supposedly they're complicated enough that shops doing rebuilds is out of the question. The other problem is that with parts and install you're spending more on the car than it's worth. That's why they're called disposable cars... and why there's a neverending source of parts for them (minus trannies) at the junk yards.
I'm sorry you got screwed.
Supposedly they're complicated enough that shops doing rebuilds is out of the question. The other problem is that with parts and install you're spending more on the car than it's worth. That's why they're called disposable cars... and why there's a neverending source of parts for them (minus trannies) at the junk yards.
I'm sorry you got screwed.
ned032002
03-07-2006, 04:14 PM
Ford trannies for those years suck. They're AOD or XOD IIRC. I've personally killed four. I bought a replacement directly through Ford the first time, mostly because I was stuck out of state and had no other options. They warranty their own stuff, which is good, because by the time I made it back home I was stranded twice when the first and second replacements both blew. They each lasted about 6 hours. The fourth one lasted three more years, for about 50,000 miles.
Wow that would seriously suck ass, did all of them have a warranty? Should I try to rebuild or buy new? I guess which ever is cheaper seeings how I all ready have all of my money into this car.:banghead:
Wow that would seriously suck ass, did all of them have a warranty? Should I try to rebuild or buy new? I guess which ever is cheaper seeings how I all ready have all of my money into this car.:banghead:
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