What does a boosted LeBaron look like ?

C'mon Polygon Im not meaning to bash but.. we wanna see it. What does a boosted LeBaron look like under the hood with a Garret turbo ? Custom manifold ? Custom downpipe ? Where's the intercooler getting the ambient air ? It wouldnt be worth it to me to get an intercooler in there b/c there is little to no grill on the front fascia. C'mon though man.. suprise us ! We wanna see what you got !! lol... Gatta get them groceries fast you know !

HyOctane

Honestly, ignorance strikes again. Let me tell you something PAL, my LeBaron is BONE stock. It came with a Garrett T3 turbo, it came with an intercooler. I can take my engine and turbo up to 30PSI if I want to, all I would have to change is the wastegate/BOV and the intercooler. Here are my mods:

Bosch Platinum plugs: They suck, I am replacing them with NGK, BIG mod there. :rolleyes:

K&N Filter: I like not having to buy another air filter, just clean this one out. Look a whopping 3HP gain there, look I have 208HP. :rolleyes:

Centerforce Clutch: I have heard these don't like higher horsepower and burn up easy, so it is being changed as well.

The rest is cosmetic, my sig reads that all the mods will come after the turbo blows, which I might add that everything on the car is original including the turbo, nothing has been replaced and the car has 150,000 miles on it and the turbo is still pumping 12-14PSI. Let me run some stuff down for you:

I paid: $3,000
Gas Mileage: 35 average
Horsepower: 205
Torque: 225 ft/lbs
0-60: 6.5
1/4 mile low to mid 14s.
Miles: 151,123

Once again these numbers are stock. Personally I think my car looks damn good, and can kick the shit out of most ANY stock four banger on the market including yours, so you sir can kiss my ASS.

Have a nice day basher. :rolleyes:

Oh and BTW, pics of everything will be up soon.

so you are running at 12 to 14psi and only making that little hp and torque? dang. b/c the alltrac runs at 7psi and produces an even 200hp and 200ftlb. so buying a ball and spring boost controller ($50 or less) and your k&n filter it would be well outproducing your specs.

and besides why would you want to post pics of a stock lebaron???

Originally posted by Polygon
Once again these numbers are stock. Personally I think my car looks damn good, and can kick the shit out of most ANY stock four banger on the market including yours, so you sir can kiss my ASS.

Care to bring it to DSMTalk.com? Or how about I-Club.com? There's some *stock* four-bangers that'll show you low 14s to high 13s from their rides. Even better, lessee one of your prized modded LeBaron bitches match this shit:

http://www.dsmtimes.org/

Or when was the last time a LeBaron won the SCCA Solo2 Nationals? :rolleyes:

-Rich

BTW, here's some info on the LeBaron:

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/usedsingleyear.aspx?modelid=595&src=vip
http://www.auto-enthusiast.com/ShelbyDodge/LeBaron/chrysler_lebaron_gts.htm

And of course, here:
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=212570&make_type_query=make%3DChrysler&model_brand_query=model%3DLeBaron&tree=Chrysler%20LeBaron

:finger:

-Rich, "Yes, I am a basher but who gives a big flying fuck!"

Originally posted by Celica Alltrac
so you are running at 12 to 14psi and only making that little hp and torque? dang. b/c the alltrac runs at 7psi and produces an even 200hp and 200ftlb. so buying a ball and spring boost controller ($50 or less) and your k&n filter it would be well outproducing your specs.

and besides why would you want to post pics of a stock lebaron???

1. Chrysler put a restrictive muffler, exaust system, and intake on the LeBarons among a couple other things which need to be changed to get it's full potential.

2. I have seen people run cars, including LeBarons with my same exect engine, turbo, and drivetrain combo running 10s and some even running into the 9s. With very little I can get my car running in the low 12s.

Why not post a picture of it? I am proud of my car, it is one of the fastest four bangers you can buy, BTW I do like your Celica it is a good performer and looks a lot better than the new ones.

And thank's for not being ignorant.

Originally posted by DragonKnight

Care to bring it to DSMTalk.com? Or how about I-Club.com? There's some *stock* four-bangers that'll show you low 14s to high 13s from their rides. Even better, lessee one of your prized modded LeBaron bitches match this shit:

http://www.dsmtimes.org/

Or when was the last time a LeBaron won the SCCA Solo2 Nationals? :rolleyes:

-Rich

Then they aren't stock moron. There is NO Talon, Elcpise, or Laser that could come right off the lot and run low 14s to high 13s, if they are they aren't running stock. I have kicked the shit out of many stock GSXs, GS-Ts, and TSis.

As for SCCA, I don't know, I wasn't watching them in 1989 jackass.

Originally posted by DragonKnight
BTW, here's some info on the LeBaron:

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/usedsingleyear.aspx?modelid=595&src=vip
http://www.auto-enthusiast.com/ShelbyDodge/LeBaron/chrysler_lebaron_gts.htm

And of course, here:
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=212570&make_type_query=make%3DChrysler&model_brand_query=model%3DLeBaron&tree=Chrysler%20LeBaron

:finger:

-Rich, "Yes, I am a basher but who gives a big flying fuck!"

1. Carpoint only has information on the non Turbo LeBarons.

2. That is a GTS not a GTC moron.

3. Go ahead and be a basher, but if you take it too far don't be suprised when they ban your ass.

What is the point of this thread? Why start a thread just to bash someone's car?

-Grendel

Originally posted by Polygon

1. Chrysler put a restrictive muffler, exaust system, and intake on the LeBarons among a couple other things which need to be changed to get it's full potential.


so in other words if you had to modify the whole intake and exhaust system then it would produce more power. as would the celica. the exhaust is very restrictive on it as well. but you mean to tell me that if a 3sgte motor with the exact same boost levels and mods would have less power than your motor?? how much hp can your bottom end handle? whats the redline on your car?

All I was saying with that was, your Alltrac might be less restrictive, also is it a 4cyl?

As for my redline, it starts at 6000 RPM.

Originally posted by Polygon

2. I have seen people run cars, including LeBarons with my same exect engine, turbo, and drivetrain combo running 10s and some even running into the 9s. With very little I can get my car running in the low 12s


I'm interested to see some running 9s...Point me in the right direction, if you would...

I have no proof, that is the sad thing. I saw this guy in an 89' Baron run 9.7, he was running the 2.2 engine and Garrett T03 from a GTC. He had a lot of heavy mods and by NO means was a daily driver anymore. I saw this at bandemiers speedway back in Colorado. I wish I had a video to show you guys.

I don't know if you did see the video of the K car "Relentless" race the Supra. He pulled a 10.4 @ 131 MPH I think, if not I will post the movie up for you guys.

mad props to polygon for two reasons:

1. Keeping it civil in here when others, >not naming names, and not even people on this thread,< are ignorant and immature.

2. Going your own way. I know you get shit from cats for rocking the baron, but i say more power to you. Its a lot harder to mod a car that has little to no aftermarket support. To tell you the truth, id like to mod my 1975 beetle. Ive seen daily driver beetles running 10s. keep ya head up dog:cool:

Travis

Originally posted by Polygon
All I was saying with that was, your Alltrac might be less restrictive, also is it a 4cyl?

As for my redline, it starts at 6000 RPM.

your redline starts at 6000rpm? redline is where you stop revving any higher. you do know what a redline is right?

oh and also i guess you don't know much about the alltrac that doesn't make you ignorant like you have called other people about not knowing anything about your car. that just makes you uninformed.

and you don't know for a fact that the alltrac is less restrictive or not. but i can guarantee you that if both cars had the exact same boost pressure, exhaust, intake, the toyota engine would be way ahead. the block is capable of handling 400hp. so they are in no case a weak motor.

the engine was designed to be used in the fia world rally championship. one of the hardest forms of motorsport racing out there. these are the specs on it.

Code: 3S-GTE
Type: Inline 4, aluminum head
ValveTrain: DOHC, 16 Valve (4 Per Cylinder)
Displacement: 1998cc (2.0 Liter)
Bore/Stroke: 86mmX86mm
Compression: 8.8:1
Output HP: 200@6000 Rpm
Output Torque: 200 lb/ft@3200 Rpm
Redline: 7200 Rpm
Turbo: Ct-26 6 Bolt Turbo With a Twin Entry Turbo System

this is a very rugged motor that was developed with rally racing in mind. due to the rules of the fia this car would have to be produced and sold so the car could be used in the rally. this motor was very well engineered for strength and reliable power output. so by claiming you have the best 4 cylinder motor and not knowing that the alltrac has a 4 cylinder seems to make you very narrow sighted. you don't want to see what competition is out there against your car so you just make claims and try to belive you have the best. but trust me there are better motors out there and its not in your lebaron.

Then they aren't stock moron. There is NO Talon, Elcpise, or Laser that could come right off the lot and run low 14s to high 13s, if they are they aren't running stock. I have kicked the shit out of many stock GSXs, GS-Ts, and TSis.
OoOo, name calling. Guess I get to call you "LeBaron Biatch". :D

Never trust magazine numbers. Bring that shit to DSMTalk and you'll get the shaft big time. It's called feather-revving your turbo to negate the bad effects of vacuum and producing major boost at launch ON ALL 4 WHEELS. Ever saw an AWD launch? It'll make your 2WD spread its butt cheeks. Only an mid-ship MR2 can match it.

Besides, the high 13s are the WRXs which you conveniently left out on that list of forums I provided. Keep talking, you're actually doing me a favor. ;)

As for SCCA, I don't know, I wasn't watching them in 1989 jackass.
:rolleyes: SCCA is every year in every season, regional and national. It doesn't HAVE to be 1989. :D


1. Carpoint only has information on the non Turbo LeBarons.

2. That is a GTS not a GTC moron.

3. Go ahead and be a basher, but if you take it too far don't be suprised when they ban your ass.
1. Turbo is listed there.

Looky here:
http://www.sonic.net/~animedx/images/carpoint01.jpg

2. I choose the car with the horsepower listed. You got evidence like a scanned brochure for your little GTC, then post it.

3. "Neener, neener! They're gonna ban you. They're gonna ban you!"

Whateverz foo. :smoker2:

-Rich

Originally posted by kidrocket
mad props to polygon for two reasons:

1. Keeping it civil in here when others, >not naming names, and not even people on this thread,< are ignorant and immature.

2. Going your own way. I know you get shit from cats for rocking the baron, but i say more power to you. Its a lot harder to mod a car that has little to no aftermarket support. To tell you the truth, id like to mod my 1975 beetle. Ive seen daily driver beetles running 10s. keep ya head up dog:cool:

Travis

Thanks a lot man. :D

Originally posted by Celica Alltrac


your redline starts at 6000rpm? redline is where you stop revving any higher. you do know what a redline is right?

oh and also i guess you don't know much about the alltrac that doesn't make you ignorant like you have called other people about not knowing anything about your car. that just makes you uninformed.

and you don't know for a fact that the alltrac is less restrictive or not. but i can guarantee you that if both cars had the exact same boost pressure, exhaust, intake, the toyota engine would be way ahead. the block is capable of handling 400hp. so they are in no case a weak motor.

the engine was designed to be used in the fia world rally championship. one of the hardest forms of motorsport racing out there. these are the specs on it.

Code: 3S-GTE
Type: Inline 4, aluminum head
ValveTrain: DOHC, 16 Valve (4 Per Cylinder)
Displacement: 1998cc (2.0 Liter)
Bore/Stroke: 86mmX86mm
Compression: 8.8:1
Output HP: 200@6000 Rpm
Output Torque: 200 lb/ft@3200 Rpm
Redline: 7200 Rpm
Turbo: Ct-26 6 Bolt Turbo With a Twin Entry Turbo System

this is a very rugged motor that was developed with rally racing in mind. due to the rules of the fia this car would have to be produced and sold so the car could be used in the rally. this motor was very well engineered for strength and reliable power output. so by claiming you have the best 4 cylinder motor and not knowing that the alltrac has a 4 cylinder seems to make you very narrow sighted. you don't want to see what competition is out there against your car so you just make claims and try to belive you have the best. but trust me there are better motors out there and its not in your lebaron.

I was merely curious about you car because, no, I don't know anything about it. It was just wondering if it was a 4cyl or a 6cyl. It is an impressive engine you have there, and from you specs I can see one thing that I forgot to mention, my engine is SOHC, I only have 2 valves per cylinder, so your car is less restrictive. As for my block, many people have run it over 500HP, the block is very durable. I have always come to think of the redline as a certain area of the power band that is unhealthy for the engine, in my case between 6000 and 7000 RPM. My tach ends at 7000RPM so that is my redline. And just remember that I said "ONE" of the best, I never said my engine was the best 4 cylinder. I would like to know how I am narrow minded and how I have demonstrated that I don't see the competition out there?

Here are my engine specs:

Type: Inline 4, aluminum head
ValveTrain: SOHC, 8 Valve (2 Per Cylinder)
Displacement: 2.2 Liter
Compression: 8.0:1
Output HP: 205
Output Torque: 225 lb/ft
Redline: 7000 Rpm
Turbo: Garrett T03

Now you can see why I only have 205 HP from 12 - 14 PSI. Maybe I'll see if I can find an aftermaket head with 4 valves per cylinder. Plus my compression is a tich lower than yours, along with my restrictive intake and exaust.

Never trust magazine numbers. Bring that shit to DSMTalk and you'll get the shaft big time.

No shit, thats because they all drive DSMs, like they are going to say "yeah my car aint' that fast." :rolleyes:

It is every year in every season, regional and national. It doesn't HAVE to be 1989.

Yeah, but don't you think they would run my car in 1989 and then the 1990 GTC in 1990? They did stop making the GTC in 1995 and by 1992 the GTC sucked. I really doubt anyone would be racing them in 2002.


1. Turbo is listed there.

2. I choose the car with the horsepower listed. You got evidence like a scanned brochure for your little GTC, then post it.

3. "Neener, neener! They're gonna ban you. They're gonna ban you!"

Whateverz foo.

1. Look under GTC and you will see that they don't have the 2.2L listed as an option. MSN Carpoint is one of the worst places to find specs, they don't even have the right engines listed for the right lines of LeBaron.

2. I hope they do ban you, you are giving your fellow Toyota drivers a bad name.

Can someone explain this?

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/22t.html

Turbo I
The most common, and generated a respectable 142 hp (better than the 3.0 V6, or, for that matter, the late-80s 318). It was relatively reliable and had good fuel economy. The turbo was quite well suited for the 2.2, which had good low end torque but did not breathe well at higher rpms; the turbo evened it out nicely. (142-150 hp depending on application)

Turbo II
The next most common; it was similar but had an intercooler, forged crank, and other performance touches, including a heavy duty transmission. An astounding 174 hp came from this reliable engine - not bad considering the original was only 93 hp. This wasn't a Honda 174 hp, either - it came with 200 lb-ft of torque! (Whereas the current top Civic engine is 160 hp and only 100 lb-ft). You can approximate a Turbo II by adding an intercooler to a Turbo I.

Turbo III
Quite rare, and was used only on the Spirit R/T and Daytona R/T (except in Mexico) from 1991 to 1992 (again, except in Mexico). Generating 224 hp from 2.2 liters, this engine was quite a trip to drive, but finding parts is difficult. The heads were designed by Lotus, and use far-too-strong valve springs, making timing belt replacement a frequent necessity unless you do a very good job of fitting it. The Turbo III was a DOHC engine with distributorless ignition and four valves per cylinder. If you buy one of these, try to have another car to drive in case of emergencies.

One Chrysler engineer wrote: "Incredible engine, not many left around here, but lots still in Mexico. Heads cracked in the '91 version because some dummy decided to use cast iron plugs in the water jacket holes instead of aluminum. Ya send these kids to college, and they still don't know that metals don't all expand at the same rate and something's gotta give.....but then again, Lotus designed the head, and my favorite oxymoron is "British Engineering" (you ever worked on a British Leyland product?)."

Click here for directions on centerlining the Turbo III cam (you'll need them!).

Turbo IV
Even more rare; this engine used variable-nozzle technology (VNT) to increase boost at lower rpms, and made 174 useful horsepower. Torque was relatively high (225 lb-ft rather than 200 in the Turbo II). This may not have been an especially reliable engine. It was used in the CSX.


C'mon Polywhateverthefuckyoucallyerself. Post some links so we peeps who are ignorant of the ever so magnificent *cough* *bullshit* LeBaron can learn. :flash:

-Rich

lower compression is better on a turbo engine anyways. if i had an option i would want it at 8.5:1 or 8.2:1 instead of it being so high.

but as you can clearly see an engine running 1/2 the boost as yours is putting out nearly the same specs. and if we had the exhaust, intake and boost levels exactly the same i will put down money the toyota would win. maybe its b/c of the dohc, but the money you spend to modify your head to get 4 valves wouldn't need to be done on the toyota engine. trust me toyota has some very potenet motors and they aren't a dime a dozen like most honda motors that float around for sale. but then every car manufacturer makes different motors for different applications. such as economy motors such as the corolla, accord, echo, civic and many more. so just b/c a company makes econo motors doesn't tarnish the company name. it has to make sales and to do that they reach a wide market and to do that they have to make performance and econo motors as well.

Originally posted by Celica Alltrac
lower compression is better on a turbo engine anyways. if i had an option i would want it at 8.5:1 or 8.2:1 instead of it being so high.

but as you can clearly see an engine running 1/2 the boost as yours is putting out nearly the same specs. and if we had the exhaust, intake and boost levels exactly the same i will put down money the toyota would win. maybe its b/c of the dohc, but the money you spend to modify your head to get 4 valves wouldn't need to be done on the toyota engine. trust me toyota has some very potenet motors and they aren't a dime a dozen like most honda motors that float around for sale. but then every car manufacturer makes different motors for different applications. such as economy motors such as the corolla, accord, echo, civic and many more. so just b/c a company makes econo motors doesn't tarnish the company name. it has to make sales and to do that they reach a wide market and to do that they have to make performance and econo motors as well.

Yes, I never disputed these things. Toyota is a great car company with some awesome engines, I never said they weren't. I hope we can find a common ground. I just made one damn comment about the looks of the new Celica and this shit happens, I'm just not going to post my thoughts about Toyota anymore, it seems you call a few of their cars ugly and suddenly you have said that the entire company and line of cars are shit.

DragonKnight, do your own damn research, I'm plain sick and tired of this debate, it has gotten out of hand and is becoming plain childish. I am done with it, I don't need to prove myself to anyone here, I know what my car can do, I know what it is capable of, and I know I like it. Is it my dream car, HELL NO, there are about 50 cars that have that title too bad I can't afford any of them right now. Get off my damn case.

Also, I wouldn't trust that source either, the Turbo I was a Mitsubishi turbo on a 2.5L I4. The turbo II was a Garrett turbo on a 2.2L I4. Just adding the intercooler doesn't make it even close to the turbo II, and Turbo II common, just try and find my car on the street or for sale. in 1989 I beleive that less than 200 of the GTC Turbo II were made.

Do you people not have lives? What do you do all day besides bashing other people's cars and spending all this time to research this shit just to prove eachother wrong... :rolleyes: And why the fuck is this in the Honda section? Too scared of the regular racing forum? Is this gang up on a chrystler in a HONDA forum day?

I am not sticking up for either the Celica newbies nor Polygon I am just sick and tired of assholes who don't respect other peoples rides. Thats what makes society look down on people with fast cars - most are stuck-up whiny ass bitches who always have to prove their maturity level by going and making fun of someone else's car. You all are just like 5th grade bullies....always making fun of someone else just to make yourself feel better. Grow the fuck up.

:mad:

Polygon, you make me laugh.. and not just me.. others too ! Keep up these BS numbers and you'll have to put us in the hospital for laughing so hard. BTW, you don't think your actually running 205 HP to the ground, do you ? I dont.. I give a 15% HP loss due to the old tranny.. and wait, what happens to an engine as it gets more miles and the cylinder walls get scortched ? What about the piston rings wearing out ? Hmm I think that you lose compression.. and what ? That is equal to power loss also.. I give you maybe 175 to the tires.. and NO you WILL not chirp 3rd or 4th gears as you stated in a prior post (that gave us a laugh !) But I will give you the benifit of the doubt so, maybe when it's raining !! lol.. go figure. Hey man, do us a favor and scrap that thing to keep it out of its misery ? But hold on.. Maybe it's a SERIOUS chick magnet ? Daym.. where can I buy a car that can run 30 PSI stock ? Geez.. you know, my car's spedometer says 170 MPH and the tach says 9,000 RPM, does that mean I can do it ? I don't think so.. there is a law of physics here, so just because your boost gauge says 30 PSI (which I doubt) It dosen't mean it will do it. And if it can.. lets see you do it man ! I wanna see a 150,000 mile car boost it like that without some internal revampment... I really do ! I wanna see what a blow head looks like on a '89 LeBaron. Go ahead.. bash on my car - but atleast it looks good while its running 14.9's with just a cat-back exhaust gettin groceries.

If you are ever in the Tampa bay area, I would love to see your car at the local strip tearing down the track at 14's stock.. lol, and what's this I hear about the block being able to handle 500 HP ? ROFL ! Thats great man ! And definatly do I wanna see this 9 second LeBaron, I wanna race him.. wait, I need to buy new running shoes first..

You are beating a dead horse here man.. get over it. Your oversized and overweighted shopping cart I guarentee will run MAYBE a 16.5 on a good day.. granted this will beat most hondas on the road, but your picking in the wrong crowd here man.. the '00+Celica 5 spd. GT's are beating your a*s then.. and thats just with about 140 HP ! Hmm.. maybe it's just the 5 spd tranny.. ugh, give me a break there. Is that why the GT-S is quick also ? Because of its close-ratio w/ a open 6th gear for crusing ? No.. its a combination of engineering for the 2ZZ-GE, the 6-Spd., and the significant light weight of the car.. heck, it weighs 60 Lbs lighter than a Type R Integra ! And lets see you take your turboed rust bucket out on a track like Seabring and turn out some good times.. I think you will have trouble even staying in the apexes.. loser. BTW, what is the 200 ft. skidpad on your car ? I doubt it is over .72 Lat. G's.. the stock GT-S wil pull .89's.. Look at the Hotchkis Celica in the current sport compact car.. wait, is that about a 1.03 Lat. G ? Hmm.. Last time I checkd, that is in Porsche territory.. for about a quarter of the money. Now braking is another thing.. how do you slow that hunk of junk down ? i bet 60 - 0 is about 145+ Ft. Celica stock is about 107 Ft. Please, Don't bash unless you can back it up.. and BTW, I am bashing on your "chick magnet" LeBaron.. I am jelous man, how do you do it.. ?

Look, I SAID THAT I AM DONE WITH THIS ARGUMENT. It is over, you have driven the fact that you have the mentality of a two year old and have flamed me to hell and back. This thread had no purpose besides flaming me from the start.

I wish a mod would close this and the other thread as that is all they are.

Maybe you Toyota people who are bashing polygon for no reason forgot (ignored) inferno's post about not flaming people. Here it is again so you can read it and maybe realize that continuing to flame polygon when he isnt even saying anything back is just plain ignorant and a waste of time.


"I hate having to worry about "editing" content in this forum. It seems that I have been getting a lot of reports from this forum about the content of certain posts. I have been working a lot more and been busy in general, so I would like the little bit of time that I do spend on this board to be good, not worrying about having to go through posts and editing or closing threads. There is no need to start needless flame wars or brand bashing. Automotive Forums has message boards for everymake, so if you feel the need to claim the superiority of your make and bash other cars, do it in your manufacturers message board. I would really appreciate it as well if people from this board wouldn't go to other boards purposely to instigate arguements....that only brings the same thing back here. It isn't no where near as big a problem as it was before, but I just want to talk about it now before it gets back out of hand. Hopefully you all can enjoy your experiences on this board without worrying about hoards of flamers descending on this forum and causing problems. Have a nice day."

Also, props to polygon for letting the arguement go, even though he was the one being flamed.

Oh no guys.. looks like we cant say another word on this thread.. or, yipes, they might delete it ! OH NO !! ugh.. give me a break. You guys are just looking for trouble when people brag about stuff that real enthusiasts know isn't true, and the daily ricer dosen't. So wow.. lock this thread.. its not like we post here often.. wow, we all have like 5 posts.. BIG DEAL.. I'll go back to where I came from, just keep the ignorance down here.. and you know, If ignorant a*sholes could fly.. this board would be an airport.. geez, lighten up people (BTW, this dosen't apply to everyone.. there are some great knowledgable people here, so don't get your pantys in a wad.)

I think we've had our fun in here.

Let's simmer down a bit and hold some civil conversations about what we love: CARS.