EVO IX RS vs. SRT-4

Well I've always been a huge fan of the Lancer Evolution, and finally bought one. My plan was to buy a used 2003 or 2004 EVO VIII, but after reading and hearing all this stuff about the IX, I decided to shell out the cash for a brand new EVO IX RS. Well I've had the car for approx. 3 weeks, and finally got to race a SRT-4. Was heading home a couple of nights ago, when I pass by an orange SRT-4. The SRT-4 owner noticed me and played catch up to get me to race him. So I was like ok, break in is done, so let's do this. Well we went at it from a 75-80MPH roll and by the time I let off at around 105-110MPH I had approx. 3 car lengths. The SRT-4 sounded and looked stock. I expected a little closer of a race, but hey what can I say. This was my first official kill. Second kill was a Altima 3.5SE.

Nice kill, but to be honest with you he had one of two or both of these problems.

1. He's a horrible driver
2. He's got horrible boost leaks which srt's are notorious for.

You should not have pulled 3 lengths on even a stock srt within a 35 mph gap. He should have been right next to you if not passing you.

Nice car though, have fun with it. I'd love to have one.

Nice kill!

Nice kill, but to be honest with you he had one of two or both of these problems.

1. He's a horrible driver
2. He's got horrible boost leaks which srt's are notorious for.

You should not have pulled 3 lengths on even a stock srt within a 35 mph gap. He should have been right next to you if not passing you.

Nice car though, have fun with it. I'd love to have one.

hahah how hard is it to leave it in one gear? he went from 80-110mph, thats basically 4th gear pull. no shifting required.

Nice kill, but to be honest with you he had one of two or both of these problems.

1. He's a horrible driver
2. He's got horrible boost leaks which srt's are notorious for.

You should not have pulled 3 lengths on even a stock srt within a 35 mph gap. He should have been right next to you if not passing you.

Nice car though, have fun with it. I'd love to have one.

Well it is possible he wasn't the greatest of drivers, but passing me, I doubt that, EVO IXs are very strong cars, even stronger than the VIIIs. Don't get the IXs mixed up with the VIIIs, even 2005 EVO VIIIs are pretty strong. Stock SRT-4s are not faster than stock EVO IXs at any speed.

Stock IXs have been putting down anywhere from 255WHP to 280WHP on Most Dyno Jets, I also have a EVO IX RS, the lightest of the EVO. My EVO honestly feels as strong as my previously bolt-on modified 3000GT VR4, even though I doubt it's actually faster.

wow...try slowing down next time.

I hate when people want to run from ridiculous speeds.

wow...try slowing down next time.

I hate when people want to run from ridiculous speeds.

lol 80-110mph is considered ridiculous speed rolls? hmmmm over here in nyc you can only bump into cars doing 80mph cause thats the only time traffic is clear ( at night ) so we always start at 80-to 12-30mph we don't really have a choice.

wow...try slowing down next time.

I hate when people want to run from ridiculous speeds.

Yeah I tried to, I wanted to go longer and from lower speeds but he didn't want to race anymore.

lol 80-110mph is considered ridiculous speed rolls? hmmmm over here in nyc you can only bump into cars doing 80mph cause thats the only time traffic is clear ( at night ) so we always start at 80-to 12-30mph we don't really have a choice.


You could always um...... not street race?

no thanks

you... can not street race?


when was this an option?!

I missed that memo... who got the memo!? Why didn't anybody tell me?!?!

you... can not street race?


when was this an option?!

I missed that memo... who got the memo!? Why didn't anybody tell me?!?!


Doh sorry sorry. I'm the only one to get the memo, guess it was a prank! My bad people, back to terrorizing the streets!

phew... glad that scare is over.


;)

NICE KILL

they break 12's stock

Engine : 4 cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 1,997 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual, 6-spd manual(MR)
Fuel economy : city - 18 mpg
highway - 26 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 286 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque : 289 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm

Top speed : 156 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 4.4 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.9 sec @ 106.2 mph
60-0 braking distance : 110 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.98 g

Curb Weight : 3219-3285 lbs
Overall length : 178.5 in.
Wheelbase : 103.3 in.
Overall Width : 69.7 in.
Height : 57.1 in.

good kill!

But I dont see any problem with the story...:dunno: afterall its just a SRT-4 ;)

Well I've always been a huge fan of the Lancer Evolution, and finally bought one. My plan was to buy a used 2003 or 2004 EVO VIII, but after reading and hearing all this stuff about the IX, I decided to shell out the cash for a brand new EVO IX RS. Well I've had the car for approx. 3 weeks, and finally got to race a SRT-4. Was heading home a couple of nights ago, when I pass by an orange SRT-4. The SRT-4 owner noticed me and played catch up to get me to race him. So I was like ok, break in is done, so let's do this. Well we went at it from a 75-80MPH roll and by the time I let off at around 105-110MPH I had approx. 3 car lengths. The SRT-4 sounded and looked stock. I expected a little closer of a race, but hey what can I say. This was my first official kill. Second kill was a Altima 3.5SE.

I have to agree with bull dog on this one.....I havent yet raced a evo yet....thus a 9.....but to put a skittle down by three cars in one gear at those speeds is a pretty quick car.......like I said I never raced a evo yet or drove one but in my car the upper gears are my best gears....but I guess good kill......

Nice kill, but to be honest with you he had one of two or both of these problems.

1. He's a horrible driver
2. He's got horrible boost leaks which srt's are notorious for.

You should not have pulled 3 lengths on even a stock srt within a 35 mph gap. He should have been right next to you if not passing you.

Nice car though, have fun with it. I'd love to have one.

You need to back up on that one.

Evo VIII's were either even, or got pulled slightly by SRT-4's on high rolls, stock-for-stock, depending on driver. I was one of the early members of the SRTforums--I've seen the videos.

Evo IX's and Evo IX RS' pull on Evo VIII's by almost a car per gear, to about 4 cars or so, as has been attested by drivers of both types of cars in the Evo forums.

What's so hard to believe? So wait...YOU pulled on a boost leaking SRT-4 by about 5+ cars if I am remembering right. Are YOU saying that YOUR car is faster than an Evo IX???

good to see you back in here kickin ass :lol:

^^^ well with the average drivers out its probably a mid 13s car on the street.....so give it that I guess I could see it pulling a distance like that....but from those speeds with an awd car going against a car that it does best in that range i would think it would have been much closer....

i see were your coming from, but a 12 second evo against a srt-4, no matter were they start from, the evo is gonna kill it, and pretty good also

i beleive we just had a thread about awd having drivetrain loss bieng a misconception

i see were your coming from, but a 12 second evo against a srt-4, no matter were they start from, the evo is gonna kill it, and pretty good also

i beleive we just had a thread about awd having drivetrain loss bieng a misconception

Yeah... it puts down X amount of horsepower regardless of the drive type... thus it's fast ... regardless of how the power gets put down.

^^^ well with the average drivers out its probably a mid 13s car on the street.....so give it that I guess I could see it pulling a distance like that....but from those speeds with an awd car going against a car that it does best in that range i would think it would have been much closer....

When will people start getting it in their heads that it's NOT the AWD that kills the car at speed, but the boost-taper that's built into the car? :banghead:

Even then, stock SRT-4's trap at 100 to 101 with a FWD that has to "catch-up with the rest of the track", while stock Evo IX's trap at 103-105...with AWD that absolutely KILLS trap speeds, due to the massive traction at launch.

i love carrrnuttt,

redneck^^ he's the ingredient to making the S/R forums a better place once again :lol:

When will people start getting it in their heads that it's NOT the AWD that kills the car at speed, but the boost-taper that's built into the car? :banghead:

Even then, stock SRT-4's trap at 100 to 101 with a FWD that has to "catch-up with the rest of the track", while stock Evo IX's trap at 103-105...with AWD that absolutely KILLS trap speeds, due to the massive traction at launch.

well like I said before I have never raced a evo 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, or even 9 so if they are indeed that fast then I guess its a good kill.....but if awd does not kill the cars speed then why are evo 8s have more power than srts but yet we could still inch them out from a roll......boost taper maybe...

aerodynamics maybe? a EVO 8 has a co efficent of drag of .37 which is quit terrible. but a 240-250whp car is gonna beat a 230whp car, reguardless of drive train. what ever makes it to the ground makes it to the ground. okay the SRT4 with 230whp is basically a 260 crank hp car, so a EVO making 250whp is like a 320 crank hp car. you see the difference here?

speaking of such, do you know that the srt-10 has a co drag of .39??

thats horrible

well its kinda expect, the frontal area is very very wide, and it has wide ass tires to make it alot worse. what surprised me was that a supra TT has a Cd, of .33 when a STi has the same Cd, definitly not expected at all.

well like I said before I have never raced a evo 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, or even 9 so if they are indeed that fast then I guess its a good kill.....but if awd does not kill the cars speed then why are evo 8s have more power than srts but yet we could still inch them out from a roll......boost taper maybe...
Funny how you've never raced one and yet are quick to doubt it. Just because an SRT-4 can shit on a WRX at those speed, the Evo 9 is a totally different car. Not all AWD rally cars are only good at coming out of corners.

Seriously, go roll with an evo or STi and trust me they are no joke. I remember last month I was "playing" (more like being played with) a 2.5L STi and that thing really pulls hard. I never thought it could be that quick (wasn't even revving that high).

Too much emphasis is placed on peak power imo. If you think about it, an Evo is quite comparable to a Skyline GTR, on the other hand, you wouldn't even think about an SRT-4 in such a comparison. SRT-4s are fast at high speed for the price. That's about it.

well like I said before I have never raced a evo 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, or even 9 so if they are indeed that fast then I guess its a good kill.....but if awd does not kill the cars speed then why are evo 8s have more power than srts but yet we could still inch them out from a roll......boost taper maybe...

Boost taper = nearing redline, the stock peak boost of about 18.8-19.0 drops to 15-16lbs. Also, did you NOT read this part of what I said?:


Evo VIII's were either even, or got pulled slightly by SRT-4's on high rolls, stock-for-stock, depending on driver. I was one of the early members of the SRTforums--I've seen the videos.

Evo IX's and Evo IX RS' pull on Evo VIII's by almost a car per gear, to about 4 cars or so, as has been attested by drivers of both types of cars in the Evo forums.


For all I know, the original thread starter might be lying about his car, but fact is, he claims his race happened between an Evo IX, and an apparently stock SRT4.

Evo IX's have a more efficient turbo, to the point that XIII's are using them as upgrades, and also have variable-timing, which improves the car's mid-to-low range pull, while the more efficient turbo helps up top, though taper still happens, just not as dramatic.

I still say a kill is a kill.... Good job!
And there are many other variables that can affect a race other than power and blah blah blah. Maybe he had 3 300 lb fat guys in the car? Maybe his floor mat was under the gas pedal so he couldn't give it full throttle? Maybe once he saw the Evo start to pull he backed off the gas a bit or completely? That's why magazine racing isn't a highly televised sport...

No lying here about the car. I bought the car 3 weeks ago from South Coast Mitsubishi in Costa Mesa, California. That weekend they sold six EVO IXs, I made seven. Still have paper plates on the car, LOL.

I don't know what to say about the race, honestly I was surprised at how easy I was able to pull on the SRT-4, I know the IXs are strong, but didn't know they were that strong. Maybe he let off early, because there was some traffic, 3 cars? If he let off a little early, maybe that would explain the gap difference in such a short race, but the point is that my car was stronger than his and I was pulling from the start. Maybe I'll find another SRT-4 to race.

No lying here about the car. I bought the car 3 weeks ago from South Coast Mitsubishi in Costa Mesa, California. That weekend they sold six EVO IXs, I made seven. Still have paper plates on the car, LOL.

I don't know what to say about the race, honestly I was surprised at how easy I was able to pull on the SRT-4, I know the IXs are strong, but didn't know they were that strong. Maybe he let off early, because there was some traffic, 3 cars? If he let off a little early, maybe that would explain the gap difference in such a short race, but the point is that my car was stronger than his and I was pulling from the start. Maybe I'll find another SRT-4 to race.


I completely believe your story, I don't sense any BS at all. I just think there had to be something wrong with the driver or the srt itself to get pulled on by 3 lengths with a stock IX within 35 mph, which is roughly one gear for the srt and 1 1/2 gears for the EVO. The reason I say this is because I've raced a modded IX (the video of this race is on these forums) and although it pulled on me pretty good, it didn't put 3 or so lengths on me within 35 mph.

My car is also about the same speed on a roll as a stock 04+ srt so it's a very good comparison. All I'm trying to say is that you shouldnt be surprised if you race another stock srt and you don't pull nearly as hard as you did on this one. That's all.

Have you also noticed that the IX sounds more like it has jet engine in it than something with pistons? You may not notice this from inside the car, but when you're trying to keep up with one it sounds amazing.

I completely believe your story, I don't sense any BS at all. I just think there had to be something wrong with the driver or the srt itself to get pulled on by 3 lengths with a stock IX within 35 mph, which is roughly one gear for the srt and 1 1/2 gears for the EVO. The reason I say this is because I've raced a modded IX (the video of this race is on these forums) and although it pulled on me pretty good, it didn't put 3 or so lengths on me within 35 mph.

My car is also about the same speed on a roll as a stock 04+ srt so it's a very good comparison. All I'm trying to say is that you shouldnt be surprised if you race another stock srt and you don't pull nearly as hard as you did on this one. That's all.

Have you also noticed that the IX sounds more like it has jet engine in it than something with pistons? You may not notice this from inside the car, but when you're trying to keep up with one it sounds amazing.



You need to back up on that one.

Evo VIII's were either even, or got pulled slightly by SRT-4's on high rolls, stock-for-stock, depending on driver. I was one of the early members of the SRTforums--I've seen the videos.

Evo IX's and Evo IX RS' pull on Evo VIII's by almost a car per gear, to about 4 cars or so, as has been attested by drivers of both types of cars in the Evo forums.

What's so hard to believe? So wait...YOU pulled on a boost leaking SRT-4 by about 5+ cars if I am remembering right. Are YOU saying that YOUR car is faster than an Evo IX???



I later corrected my friend's bad information about his boost leak in that thread. The reason I pulled on him like that is because he was a moron and started off in 4th gear at 70 mph where I was in 3rd gear. There was no competition there at all. If he would have been in the right gear his car should have pulled on me fairly well because of the mods he had. So you can't use that in this deal.

Also you're saying that a stock Evo VIII on a roll, is even with or slightly slower than a stock SRT, right? You're also saying that a stock Evo IX pulls one car, per gear on a stock Evo VIII, right? So from a roll starting at the bottom of 4th gear to the top of 4th gear the IX will be about 1 car length ahead of the VIII(give or take a few feet), right? So from the information you have provided we can conclude that since a stock srt is roughly the same speed or slightly faster than a stock VIII that it should be within 1 car length of a stock IX within the span of 1 gear(give or take a few feet). ;)

not really, as i have stated before...through some peoples experience a srt may have killed a evo-8 by half a car
and in others experience the evo-8 may have killed the srt by a car

there's too many variables to go off of a couple peoples experience and not the other sides story

honestly the only thing the srt has going for it is aero for the most part when up against the evo

very possibly the srt-4 shut down after he seen that there was no way he was gonna beat the evo and just shut down

I later corrected my friend's bad information about his boost leak in that thread. The reason I pulled on him like that is because he was a moron and started off in 4th gear at 70 mph where I was in 3rd gear. There was no competition there at all. If he would have been in the right gear his car should have pulled on me fairly well because of the mods he had. So you can't use that in this deal.

Also you're saying that a stock Evo VIII on a roll, is even with or slightly slower than a stock SRT, right? You're also saying that a stock Evo IX pulls one car, per gear on a stock Evo VIII, right? So from a roll starting at the bottom of 4th gear to the top of 4th gear the IX will be about 1 car length ahead of the VIII(give or take a few feet), right? So from the information you have provided we can conclude that since a stock srt is roughly the same speed or slightly faster than a stock VIII that it should be within 1 car length of a stock IX within the span of 1 gear(give or take a few feet). ;)

yeah and also understand that by the end of third gear the evo-9 is 3 car lengths ahead of the evo-8
end of 4th he's 4 car lengths ahead, thats tremendous pull:iceslolan

not really, as i have stated before...through some peoples experience a srt may have killed a evo-8 by half a car
and in others experience the evo-8 may have killed the srt by a car

there's too many variables to go off of a couple peoples experience and not the other sides story

honestly the only thing the srt has going for it is aero for the most part when up against the evo

very possibly the srt-4 shut down after he seen that there was no way he was gonna beat the evo and just shut down

Precisely

Nice kill

well its kinda expect, the frontal area is very very wide, and it has wide ass tires to make it alot worse. what surprised me was that a supra TT has a Cd, of .33 when a STi has the same Cd, definitly not expected at all.

thats is crazy!! my car also has a drag co of .33 to think that a sti has the same is crazy

on that note, the evo has a drag of .37 as you stated and also the srt-4 has a drag of .37

so i stand corrected, the srt-4 doesnt even have aero on its side against a evo

bout the only thing left is the gear ratio to determine why its so good from a roll

anyone know the drag of a 240z? :)

i cant find anything

So its the higher the drag the better or worse?

yeah and also understand that by the end of third gear the evo-9 is 3 car lengths ahead of the evo-8
end of 4th he's 4 car lengths ahead, thats tremendous pull:iceslolan



That's a full race, not a 75 mph roll.

Are you all on the same planet as me here? Or are you guys all on drugs?!?

I need some of whatever you guys are smoking.




So its the higher the drag the better or worse?


by far the higher the WORSE! :banghead:


;)

i'm not on anything

you fail to realize that the evo-9 could pull 2 cars in 35mph on a evo-8 if in the right sitiuation

i'm pretty sure you can kill a svt contour by 4 cars by the end of 4th

and if you guys ran from a roll from 55mph to 90mph you could very well put a couple cars on it.

and again, its not every race were the srt-4 is even with a evo-8

many evo-8 drivers have killed srt-4 owners by a car or more, and visa versa(some how)
so if a evo has the potential to kill a srt-4 by a car or more then the evo-9 can obviously do alot more damage

were all on the same page in here...what are you smoking??

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/ss%5e%5esc/0/14E11B04-56D7-4F78-A396-E1D771957622.htm

First race starts at 65 mph and stops at 130ish. He pulls 2-3 lengths on me within this distance. When you here me shift for the first time it's at 102 mph (3rd-4th gear shift).

My car is the same speed as a stock srt-4 on a roll. Again, I say a stock IX will not pull 3 full lengths on a stock, healthy srt with a good driver within a 30-35 mph gap. My vid does all my talking for me. This is not even a stock IX either, this IX has an EXTRA 40 whp via an ecu flash. Knock 40 whp off this IX and imagine how the race would have gone.

I still ask...what are you guys smoking?

i killed a srt-4 by 2 cars in less than 35mph
an evo-9 is gonna be atleast as fast as my vr4

you have your personall experince and others have there's

DO YOU REALLY THINK YOUR THE ONLY PERSON TO RACE A EVO??

i've killed both the evo-8 and the srt-4. the evo-8 put up a whole lot bigger fight.

i seen a srt-4 run 14.8-7 consistantly...so is my personall experience the all of the srt-4??????

now wtf are you smoking??????????????

i beleive we also stated that its possible the srt shut down after a couple lengths

i tend to beleive your trying to defend the srt-4 because you car is just as fast?!?

will it make you feel better if we found out the srt-4 owner shut down after 2 cars?? will that help your heart??

it is possible bulldog for a 12 second car to kill a low 14 sec car by 3 car lengths

oh i'm sorry, let me make you feel better

2 cars in 35mph

and i'm done with you asking me if i'm on drugs lets leave that out of this for now!!

edit
i just watched your video, it seemed to me the evo pulled 3 cars on you in about 35-40mph the 2nd and third run, so what the hell are you babbling about??

matter of fact the third run he killed you by damn near 5 cars in a short amount of time

^^^ again bulldog make total sense to me......I am not doubting 3000ways kill I am just simply stating that there could have been variables to this race...just like anything on the street goes....and you guys have to understand that....but I am pretty sure you guys do cause you guys say it too.....it would be like saying if a ls1 beat a c5 on the street.....stock for stock.....of course the vette is faster but again its the street so there can be many variables and anything could happen......

Boost taper = nearing redline, the stock peak boost of about 18.8-19.0 drops to 15-16lbs. Also, did you NOT read this part of what I said?:



For all I know, the original thread starter might be lying about his car, but fact is, he claims his race happened between an Evo IX, and an apparently stock SRT4.

Evo IX's have a more efficient turbo, to the point that XIII's are using them as upgrades, and also have variable-timing, which improves the car's mid-to-low range pull, while the more efficient turbo helps up top, though taper still happens, just not as dramatic.

boost taper huh.....well if thats what kills evos at those speeds and not awd....then I wonder whats killing me at those speeds.....I spike 14 and drop 11-12psi till redline....

All I did was state that a stock Evo IX against a stock "healthy" SRT with equally good drivers will not pull 3full lengths on the SRT with the stated 30-35 mph gap. YOU guys went crazy with mag stats and other junk just to prove me wrong, but still havent managed to do so. Hell, I used your own stats and "facts" against you guys to do the opposite. I'm not defending the srt in any way, I'm backing up what I have stated and I have still not been proven wrong.


Btw, the evo pulled 3 lengths on me within a 70 mph span, not a 35-40 like you stated. The race started at 65 mph and it ended with his speedo at 138 and mine was a little over 130...WITH AN EXTRA 40 WHP in the Evo OVER STOCK. I'm done.

^^^ again bulldog make total sense to me......I am not doubting 3000ways kill I am just simply stating that there could have been variables to this race...just like anything on the street goes....and you guys have to understand that....but I am pretty sure you guys do cause you guys say it too.....it would be like saying if a ls1 beat a c5 on the street.....stock for stock.....of course the vette is faster but again its the street so there can be many variables and anything could happen......

a c5 is a LS1

though i know what you meant, you have to be more precise on what your saying, a trans am ram air is basically the same speed as c5 vette. witch are both LS1's

and we do understand that. but why the F*#k do u have to put it out there that if if if if if if if

if you know its possible????


edit, sorry for the language, i'm just kinda irritated with bulldogg wanting the 2 cars instead of 3

and we do understand that. but why the F*#k do u have to put it out there that if if if if if if if

if you know its possible????


edit, sorry for the language, i'm just kinda irritated with bulldogg wanting the 2 cars instead of 3


Whaaa??? When did I ever say anything about 2 cars instead of 3? You just made that up! Stop smokin' the chron dude, it's messin with your head man. ;)

All I did was state that a stock Evo IX against a stock "healthy" SRT with equally good drivers will not pull 3full lengths on the SRT with the stated 30-35 mph gap. YOU guys went crazy with mag stats and other junk just to prove me wrong, but still havent managed to do so. Hell, I used your own stats and "facts" against you guys to do the opposite. I'm not defending the srt in any way, I'm backing up what I have stated and I have still not been proven wrong.


Btw, the evo pulled 3 lengths on me within a 70 mph span, not a 35-40 like you stated. The race started at 65 mph and it ended with his speedo at 138 and mine was a little over 130...WITH AN EXTRA 40 WHP in the Evo OVER STOCK. I'm done.

and niether have you proven me wrong. you posted a personall experience and i stated my personall experience

now whos wrong or right????

if we go by your theory. a srt-4 will be dead even with a evo-9 from a roll every time. and they need 40whp extra to kill you by 2 cars in a 50mph run

is this what your saying?? cause if not your going to contridict yourself and i'll point it out

as 209 stated, variables, it all depends.

do we know if the evo you raced was tuned right. do we know if he was bieng easy on you??

what do we know beside your personall experience??

Whaaa??? When did I ever say anything about 2 cars instead of 3? You just made that up! Stop smokin' the chron dude, it's messin with your head man. ;)

isnt that what you want?? 2 cars instead of 3

how bout this, you tell me whats more reasonable

how many cars should the evo-9 have killed it by in 35mph??

and niether have you proven me wrong. you posted a personall experience and i stated my personall experience

now whos wrong or right????

if we go by your theory. a srt-4 will be dead even with a evo-9 from a roll every time. and they need 40whp extra to kill you by 2 cars in a 50mph run

is this what your saying?? cause if not your going to contridict yourself and i'll point it out

as 209 stated, variables, it all depends.

do we know if the evo you raced was tuned right. do we know if he was bieng easy on you??

what do we know beside your personall experience??


All I'm saying is that stock, "healthy/well driven" Evo IX does not have enough guts to pull 3 lengths on a stock "healthy/well driven" Srt-4 within the span of a 70/75-105/110 mph run. Stock for stock, 3 lengths under these conditions will NEVER happen. That's it. No more, no less.

It's my belief that the srt would be about neck & neck with the Evo under these conditions.

Whaaa??? When did I ever say anything about 2 cars instead of 3? You just made that up! Stop smokin' the chron dude, it's messin with your head man. ;)

i will not mention you on drugs anymore

i gave you a warning, leave insults of one another bieng on drugs out of this!!!

It's my belief that the srt would be about neck & neck with the Evo under these conditions.

from 70 to 105 this is your beleif and you your right to beleive


Its all yours carrrnuttt

Ive raced alot of Evo's and SRT-4's

The SRTs get owned every time, the Evo's put up somewhat a fight.

In 4th, from 4to 7.5 I will put a good 4 lengths easy on a stock SRT4

on an evo 8 I will put more like 1.5 or 2.

(this is all before my recent upgrades...)

Dude, no SRT4 stock is going to keep up with a 9 stock...its just not gonna happen...sorry

Sorry folks.

We're done here.

Go to your respective corners and cool off for a bit... capiche??



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