My Spyder project plan has become murky.....need help making decisions

This is my original thread for my project plan:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=489846&highlight=my+project+spyder

I thought I had it all figured out at the time. But after doing some thinking, I have made some changes in my plan. In case your wondering why I do so much planning and so little tuning, its because if I'm going to spend all this money on my ride, I'm going to make sure it's right! Im taking my project in steps. The first step was audio which is 95% complete. The next step is suspension which I already have completely planned and which I will be starting on soon. The first suspension mods will be added In the next few months as I will be installing some Tein SS-P coilovers and some 18 inch Enkei's with Kumho tires. I will post lots of pics upon completion, so look out. After that there will be some slight carbon fiber exterior pieces added.

After I get my car handling like its on 'roids and looking like a racecar, of course I am going to need a bad ass engine. And as most of you know my mostly stock 4G64 ain't gonna cut it. Originally I wanted to build it as a high compression all motor...uh, motor, with a 4G63 head swap. But I have been thinking that as much money as I would put into this motor I could just swap in a 4G63T motor for less money and still have more power. I just need help deciding which motor to swap in. I'm sure I could easily find a 6 bolt eclipse motor, but whats the fun in that? I was thinking something like an Evo 3 motor. I seen a whole Evo 3 front clip on the net for sale. I also saw a Galant VR-4 front clip. What engines should I consider and what do you think about these two? Whatever motor I get I want it to be powerful in stock trim because I want to keep it mostly stock for reliability purposes. Tell me what you think and give me your suggestions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if it seems like I wrote a whole novel.

vanilla gorilla

If I was in your situation I would keep the 4g64 bottom end and slap on the 63 head and build it and boost it and you would have yourself a bad ass 2.4L. Thats what I want to do with my talon but I dont have the cash for it now :(

Why would you spend the extra money on an evoIII or Galant engine? They are the same thing.

I would do as pr_ricer suggested, keep the 4g64 block, go with a 4g63 head, and boost the bitch.

ditto...

Why would you spend the extra money on an evoIII or Galant engine? They are the same thing.

I would do as pr_ricer suggested, keep the 4g64 block, go with a 4g63 head, and boost the bitch.

I thought the evo 3 motor came stock with more power than the eclipse engine...and I just basically thought it would be a better starting block.

2.4L DOHC would be bad ass man, just do it :lol:

If I was in your situation I would keep the 4g64 bottom end and slap on the 63 head and build it and boost it and you would have yourself a bad ass 2.4L. Thats what I want to do with my talon but I dont have the cash for it now :(

As much as I would like to do that, I just want a simple turbo engine that I can swap in to make easy power......At this point I don't want to have to deal with building an engine and what have you, and having my car undrivable for god knows when. And I dont want a monster engine that is going to suck as a daily driver.

I think that combo would be very streetable and probably easier than a full swap. Look into both and see whats cheaper/easier

I think that combo would be very streetable and probably easier than a full swap. Look into both and see whats cheaper/easier

I will defineatly look into both. But my thought was swap in a 4G63T to contain my power craving for now, and let my 4G64 sit in the corner of my garage, and later on if I want to ....swap the 4G63t parts onto my 64. Oh yeah!

you could always turbo the 4g64 sohc. then swap the heads later thats what I was planning on doing with my old 2.4l

I think he would run into fitment issues when he goes to swap the head if he aleady had a turbo setup on it

If you do the swap you have to pull the engine out anyway. It would be better to just rebuild the 2.4 and swap in the 4g63 head. Than you basiclly have a 2.4lt GS-T

Than you basiclly have a 2.4lt GS-T
aka my dream motor. That would own with a gt35r bolted on to it:ylsuper:

aka my dream motor. That would own with a gt35r bolted on to it:ylsuper:



Here soon everyone is going to feel my 2.2lt power!

I have the perfect solution for you.

Read. http://www.extremeevolutions.com/4G64_buildup.htm

I'm just going to think hard on this. It will atleast be a year before I even touch the engine. I'm going to get my suspension 100% first.

Here are some more questions: If I do build the 4G64, how will the stock clutch hold up? I would probably change it anyway, but I was just wondering. Also, how would the transmission, axles, etc hold up? I know I will need a limited slip because as the car is now it likes to spin alot. Is there anything else I should be concerned about?

thank you

I'm just going to think hard on this. It will atleast be a year before I even touch the engine. I'm going to get my suspension 100% first.

Here are some more questions: If I do build the 4G64, how will the stock clutch hold up? I would probably change it anyway, but I was just wondering. Also, how would the transmission, axles, etc hold up? I know I will need a limited slip because as the car is now it likes to spin alot. Is there anything else I should be concerned about?

thank you



You will definately need to change out the stock clutch. Your stocker won't hold up for very long. The tranny itself and the axles should be just fine.

You don't necessarily need a LSD just ease up on the throttle from a stop. lol

You will definately need to change out the stock clutch. Your stocker won't hold up for very long. The tranny itself and the axles should be just fine.

Thanks for the info.

You don't necessarily need a LSD just ease up on the throttle from a stop. lol

Yeah, the problem with that is......I have a heavy right foot and a very light left one. Sometimes its like I couldn't ease up if I wanted to, lol

I am planning on doing the exact same build up this spring once I get my tax return. I think it is easier and just as cost effective to do the build instead of a complete swap. I was told by an engine shop I would be looking at around 4k for the whole build but I don't know exactly. you can turbo the sohc but its not very effective at all if youre real power hungry. you'd be looking at around 10-12 psi max. Its better than nothin but it would give you the big power that I know i want. if i get it goin i will let ya know how it all works out.

I am planning on doing the exact same build up this spring once I get my tax return. I think it is easier and just as cost effective to do the build instead of a complete swap. I was told by an engine shop I would be looking at around 4k for the whole build but I don't know exactly. you can turbo the sohc but its not very effective at all if youre real power hungry. you'd be looking at around 10-12 psi max. Its better than nothin but it would give you the big power that I know i want. if i get it goin i will let ya know how it all works out.

Cool.

But my theory was: Me buy a complete 4G63. Then swap it in. This way I could go ahead and mock up all the piping and ect. While I have my 4G64 out I will slightly upgrade the bottom end with forged low compression pistons and what have you. And all this time I will drive around with the 4G63 in. Then when I have everything right: I can take out the 4G63 and bolt everything off of it onto the 4G64. Because I think it would be easier to buy the complete engine than to have to find all the little parts (ECU, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, piping, oil lines, oil pan, turbo, wiring, and everything else).

This is just what I was thinking about doing.

Cool.

But my theory was: Me buy a complete 4G63. Then swap it in. This way I could go ahead and mock up all the piping and ect. While I have my 4G64 out I will slightly upgrade the bottom end with forged low compression pistons and what have you. And all this time I will drive around with the 4G63 in. Then when I have everything right: I can take out the 4G63 and bolt everything off of it onto the 4G64. Because I think it would be easier to buy the complete engine than to have to find all the little parts (ECU, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, piping, oil lines, oil pan, turbo, wiring, and everything else).

This is just what I was thinking about doing.

I am hoping that i can buy all brand new parts direct from manufacturers so i don't think the parts will be hard to find or anything like that. To me that route sounds alot more expensive becuase you have to buy the complete engine first then still upgrade the pistons rods and everything to handle the high boost levels, seems like you'd alomost be doing it twice i dunno though. to each his own i guess.