beat a couple of domestics today

well this afternoon i was helping my friend with his 95 camaro v-6 manual and he said he always wanted to know how his car would hold up with an import. so i said ok and we drove until we got a red light. well we took off and i pulled on him in 1st and 2nd and kept ahead of him for the rest of the way. and i wasn't sprayin when i raced him so it was completly stock race. then one of my other friends started talkin shit and he has a 88 monte carlo. well i pulled on him through 1st and 2nd too and kept pullin a lil the rest of the way. i wasn't sprayin on that one either:D well that's about it just thought i'd share.

yea ok

Originally posted by BasicNeon
yea ok

yea i thought i would lose too. but the dude with the camaro his engine sounded wierd so i think he needed a tune up really bad. and he dosen't know how to drive that well so that helped me too.

Nice work!

I beat a V6 Camaro (93-up) with my slipping clutch, then I raced an eighties Z28 (5.0 High Output) and beat him (barely) with my slipping clutch. I pulled on the Z28 in first but he caught up to my mirror when i shifted to 2nd (clutch slipping) and once my clutch grabbed I pulled on him some more, shut it down at 65-70mph (in a 45). The best part of the Z28 race was that a bunch of guys from my carclub were standing around in the parking lot of a drive up burger place when I raced by and I was beating the Camaro when they saw. When I shut it down we were by a bunch of closed down stores where nobody saw.

Yeah, V-6 camaros are slow (heavy) and so are the late eighties V8 auto camaros. Ive ripped up many of those when my car was stock (it pretty much still is). Also, race V-6 mustangs whenever you get the chance. With all the styling they have, they look really fast. So when you beat them it looks like you are beating a fast car to the people who are watching!!!:D

heheh i'll try to. it shouldn't be too hard because there are so many around. maybe i'll spray too to make it look worse.

the camaro you raced was the 3.4l 180 hp motor. now try one of the 98-new 3.8 with 200hp. and then keep working your way up

Yeah, V-6 camaros are slow (heavy) and so are the late eighties V8 auto camaros

What V8's you talking about? The 305 or the 350?

I was talking about the 305 V8 found in the RS camaros from the late eighties. Sorry that i didnt clarify. I'm sure that a 350 would spank me.

I've raced a newer Mustang V6 (200hp) at the track after racing a '95 GT automatic, I beat both of them and the V6 gave me a better race. They're not really that fast and with an open diff. they can't launch terribly hard without doing a peg-leg burnout.

What size engine you got in the 95 Civic sedan?

just a regular d-series engine that comes with the dx.

I gotta 92 Civic Lx, stock to the bone, and I can't beat nuthin, and when I say nuthin, I mean nuthin.

that sucks. lol

Originally posted by colechaney
I gotta 92 Civic Lx, stock to the bone, and I can't beat nuthin, and when I say nuthin, I mean nuthin.

Hehe, I am sure I can think of a car that you can beat. I bet I have owned car you can beat.

What about an Accord. I have a 98 with the V6. Is it fast?

Originally posted by colechaney
I gotta 92 Civic Lx, stock to the bone, and I can't beat nuthin, and when I say nuthin, I mean nuthin.


hehe yea before i got the zex kit the only thing i ever tried to race were automatic civics.:frog:

Originally posted by PFCfutrell
I've raced a newer Mustang V6 (200hp) at the track after racing a '95 GT automatic, I beat both of them and the V6 gave me a better race. They're not really that fast and with an open diff. they can't launch terribly hard without doing a peg-leg burnout.


Just a couple things. The mustang 99-02 v6 have 190hp And run 15.5 stock in the 1/4. Unmodded GT in automatics are slow and heavy. Not much faster then 99-02 v6. If the best you can do is 15.3 in the 1/4. You better hope you do not run aginst any modded v6 mustangs/camaros.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0

Just a couple things. The mustang 99-02 v6 have 190hp And run 15.5 stock in the 1/4. Unmodded GT in automatics are slow and heavy. Not much faster then 99-02 v6. If the best you can do is 15.3 in the 1/4. You better hope you do not run aginst any modded v6 mustangs/camaros.

Are you sure that stock 99-02 mustang v6's run a 15.5??? I have beaten a few of them at the drag strip (not street actually 1/4 mile drag strip). My car only runs a 16-16.5 at best. I didn't win by a lot; probaly only a couple tenths. I was thinking that maybe it was the driver, but one time they switched drivers and I beat the dude again. Maybe they both sucked at driving a stick. Who knows.:confused:

To the dude with the 92 lx, don't worry man. Just stick to it, work hard and keep cool and you'll get what you want eventually.

I have big plans, and as soon as the tiem comes, it's going to be worth it. High 15's sucks big time, but mid to low 13's is really good to me, with Spoon replica rims and a Type R shift knob... *cough* hint hint.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Just a couple things. The mustang 99-02 v6 have 190hp And run 15.5 stock in the 1/4. Unmodded GT in automatics are slow and heavy. Not much faster then 99-02 v6. If the best you can do is 15.3 in the 1/4. You better hope you do not run aginst any modded v6 mustangs/camaros.

The average V6 Mustang owner is not going to run a mid-15 without mods, That 15.3 is with intake and exhaust. I'm about to swap in a larger motor with a T3/T4 turbo, I think that'll be enough to hand your Cobra it's ass on a platter.

I think so too.

Originally posted by PFCfutrell


The average V6 Mustang owner is not going to run a mid-15 without mods, That 15.3 is with intake and exhaust. I'm about to swap in a larger motor with a T3/T4 turbo, I think that'll be enough to hand your Cobra it's ass on a platter.

Yes, an average driver with normal skills can drive the v6 in the 15s. But, remeber that is the 99 and newer v6. Um...Okay? Your going to swap in a larger motor and a turbo and beat me eh?. I should hope so. Thats as long as I dont add aditional mods.:rolleyes: If it takes all that to beat a cobra, then why did you not just buy a fast car to start with?

I dunno, coz maybe he wants a CRX with a different motor and turbo? lol. That's the only reason I can think of. Or maybe because the total cost of this entire project, including the cost of the car will only leave his pocket's blank of about close to $7,500.00? Tell me, how many domestics can you get for $7,500.00 run mid 11's daily driven, that have no problems.

Originally posted by S2Corolla
I dunno, coz maybe he wants a CRX with a different motor and turbo? lol. That's the only reason I can think of. Or maybe because the total cost of this entire project, including the cost of the car will only leave his pocket's blank of about close to $7,500.00? Tell me, how many domestics can you get for $7,500.00 run mid 11's daily driven, that have no problems.

You can pick up a 3rd gen Camaro or Firebird somewhere, strap on an exhaust, fuel system upgrade, gears, clutch, stick tires, and a supercharger and probably squeak the whole thing in for under 8g's. But then again, I HATE 3rd gens, lol. But I'm just saying, it's possible...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


then why did you not just buy a fast car to start with?

because that takes of the joy outta makin a slow car fast

Originally posted by 95civicman


because that takes of the joy outta makin a slow car fast

I would almost agree...except that 3rd gens are HARDLY fast...high 15s, low 16s...Not fast at all...So you still get to experience the joy!!:):D

Originally posted by 95civicman


because that takes of the joy outta makin a slow car fast

Well, there is even more joy in making a fast car even faster

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


Well, there is even more joy in making a fast car even faster

not really, i mean you go to a drag strip and see a mustang cobra run mid 12's and you say "oh look there another cobra in the 12's" and you see a civic run mid 12's and you say"shit look at that civic run 12's!"

Originally posted by 95civicman


not really, i mean you go to a drag strip and see a mustang cobra run mid 12's and you say "oh look there another cobra in the 12's" and you see a civic run mid 12's and you say"shit look at that civic run 12's!"

No, its "Gosh! look at that cobra run 10's" And, " why would some one put that much money in a civic to run 12's?" That is what I hear at the local dragstrip. But, hey if you like hoppen up civics thats cool, just dont mar it up with stickers and wings. Keep it clean.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


No, its "Gosh! look at that cobra run 10's" And, " why would some one put that much money in a civic to run 12's?" That is what I hear at the local dragstrip. But, hey if you like hoppen up civics thats cool, just dont mar it up with stickers and wings. Keep it clean.

Put it in perspective. I highly doubt, from the tone of your posts, that you are in the habit of hanging out with the ones that actually spent their money on their Civic. Of course you would hear that from your camp...

...now imagine that same 10 second Cobra getting beat by a 10-second, street-driven Civic (yes, those cars DO exist)...

...PERSPECTIVE...that 12-second Cobra...beating a Corvette Z06...wow...the 12-second Civic beating the Z06...the unenlightened driver would be driving to his dealership for a check-up.

PERSPECTIVE...a Cobra costs upwards of 25 (used) to 35 large and maybe another 5 to 10 grand to get to the tens in the quarter. I can buy a used 98 (using the same year period as the Cobra price range mentioned) Civic hatch for about 9 grand (being generous...you can actually get them cheaper) and spend about 10 grand on a new engine with a turbo and boosted internals, and for less than the price of a used Cobra, I can have a car that runs 11's (maybe 10's). Of course, again in perspective, you can't beat buying a 1992 5.0 LX for about 4 grand and spending another 5 grand to have it running 11's or better...but again, it's all about perspective. Slow or not...V6 or V8...a Mustang is still a "performance car" in the eyes of most of the population. Getting an "economy car" like the Civic in the Mustang's range or better is considered an achievement in my book.

We each have picked our poison...let's run with each of them, literally. No hating, please...but talking shit when you win is acceptable...of course.

nope no stickers on mine. i'll get a pic when i get a digital camera.

nope no stickers on mine. i'll get a pic when i get a digital camera. i like to keep it clean

Originally posted by S2Corolla
I dunno, coz maybe he wants a CRX with a different motor and turbo? lol. That's the only reason I can think of. Or maybe because the total cost of this entire project, including the cost of the car will only leave his pocket's blank of about close to $7,500.00? Tell me, how many domestics can you get for $7,500.00 run mid 11's daily driven, that have no problems.


then theres guys like me.... with the Classics and throw off the entire equation... $5300 wonder baby...

I have to back my domestic friend here in the 94 SVT... (decent as all hell car btw)

All i've got to say to the CRX guy is... Bring it.
You spent all that money on all those modes... 80% of them arent even mods for the Engine.. just plastic stuff.. like clear tips.. and leather... and randoms.. OK so you got a bigger turbo... and bigger engine. Sweet, but power isnt gonna do you good of you cant hook up. Ever realise that even in a FWD car when you accelerate the car still dips in the rear? its a natural motion, you can only get so much traction with a FWD car... you'll need slicks the size of montana to launch right.

But if you think you're little Rex is fast, dont bother with us slow guys .. i know a particular '66 Chevelle with a 468ci big block that makes 700+hp ... runs easy 9's c'mon man.. you can take him!

Hmmm... a lot of banks will not finance you on an older car, so buying an early 90's Mustang 5.0 may not be a possibility for some people. My $.02

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
...now imagine that same 10 second Cobra getting beat by a 10-second, street-driven Civic (yes, those cars DO exist)...
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Just one thing, if there both ten second cars the cobra would have the advantage. Remember weight transfer to powered wheels.

So, if you want to spend your money on souping up economy cars, go ahead. You, base all your reasons on economics, why? Its seems going for class and performance is more of a deciding factor. Not, you save $1,398.45 on the civic over the cobra. It seems souping imports is more of a fad then anything else.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


Just one thing, if there both ten second cars the cobra would have the advantage. Remember weight transfer to powered wheels.



Hmmm.. if they're both 10 second cars then the Cobra obviously doesn't have the advantage as they are both running 10's. I think what you mean is that if they had equal power to weight ratios then the Cobra would win simply because it could launch harder. I have beat RWD, AWD, and other FWD's in my FWD simply because I COULD launch hard, drag racing is all about driver skill. I've stayed neck and neck to a LS1 powered Z28 through the 60' on street tires (both of us), I know that a well driven Z28 could probably knock off sub-2 second 60's with a good driver but so can a FWD. People like you make it seam like drivetrain configuration is the deciding factor in a race when it's most certainly not, it's the DRIVER that decides the race (given comprable power to weight ratios).

What I was saying is that if both cars were ten second cars, the cobra would have the advantage due to rear wheel drive. Obviously, both stated cars have the same potential of ten seconds but, the cobra would be able to be a more consistent runner. This being in part to the weight transfer aiding traction. But, above all, when running two equal cars it is going to come down mostly on driver skill, with rwd being the easiest to drive.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
What I was saying is that if both cars were ten second cars, the cobra would have the advantage due to rear wheel drive. Obviously, both stated cars have the same potential of ten seconds but, the cobra would be able to be a more consistent runner. This being in part to the weight transfer aiding traction. But, above all, when running two equal cars it is going to come down mostly on driver skill, with rwd being the easiest to drive.

Obviously the Civic has dealt with traction somehow if it's running 10's, probably with drag spring, front crossmember, slicks, etc. There are ways of limiting weight transfer in a FWD via a well setup suspension, remember we do have an engine sitting atop our drive wheels. RWD is easier to drive??? That is extremely subjective, if you grew up driving FWD cars then the logical assumption would be that FWD is easier to drive. If you were used to driving RWD then it would seem easier to drive, get my point? Sort of like how beauty is in the eye of the beholder (*cough...Mustangs...*cough*).

Originally posted by PFCfutrell


Obviously the Civic has dealt with traction somehow if it's running 10's, probably with drag spring, front crossmember, slicks, etc. There are ways of limiting weight transfer in a FWD via a well setup suspension, remember we do have an engine sitting atop our drive wheels. RWD is easier to drive??? That is extremely subjective, if you grew up driving FWD cars then the logical assumption would be that FWD is easier to drive. If you were used to driving RWD then it would seem easier to drive, get my point? Sort of like how beauty is in the eye of the beholder (*cough...Mustangs...*cough*).

So, your saying that weight transfer during acceleration is not a benefit? If it is a benefit than the ease of operation would fall to the rear wheel drive, would it not ? Seeing that you drive a CRX I dont see how you have much room to talk about beauty.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Seeing that you drive a CRX I dont see how you have much room to talk about beauty.:rolleyes:

I believe he said that it was in the eye of the beholder.

heheh you make fun of a crx yet you drive a box that has 18" wheels that market to imports:D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 95civicman
heheh you make fun of a crx yet you drive a box that has 18" wheels that market to imports:D [/QUOTE
From your sig, no doubt you know about boxes:rolleyes: As far as the wheels go, they were on it when I bought it:mad: If the person I bought it from had not sold the cobra wheels, then the Konigs would be gone.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


So, your saying that weight transfer during acceleration is not a benefit? If it is a benefit than the ease of operation would fall to the rear wheel drive, would it not ? Seeing that you drive a CRX I dont see how you have much room to talk about beauty.:rolleyes:

Sigh... what i was saying is that rearward weight transfer is undesirable in a FWD, where it would help a RWD it makes it easier to lose traction in FWD. A FWD with properly setup suspension can run side by side most RWD's, stiff rear springs/shocks, limited slip, drag slicks, MMR front crossmember, etc. will all help reduce rearward weight transfer in a FWD. I'm not talking out of my ass... I know from experience, i've been in the drag racing scene for a while and can hang with most Mustangs and Camaros off the line, when on street tires. considering they make three times the horsepower+much wider tires and they usually only beat my 60' by a tenth or two should tell you that drivetrain configuration is not the deciding factor in a race. Most V8 Mustangs and Camaros that do beat me off the line are running a LSD, much wider tires, and atleast three times the horsepower. If they had those advantages taken away then I seriously doubt they would own me like they do now.

ok... here's the point... there are fwd cars that run the same if not faster 60ft times as a rwd, so it definitely isn't a problem to get hooked up...

and come on...

let's tell people in other states that we want them to come out and race...
that's cool..

i just don't understand why people can't say "wow, a ten second car", not "oh, it's a civic, p.o.s."

why not just respect that someone likes something other than what YOU like? and maybe they like your car, and didn't buy one for whatever reason... and now they have an import that is pretty quick... so you don't like it and think it's shitty... hmm...


back to the 10sec thing...
if both cars run 10s, they have the same advantage... if you have seen a 10 sec civic run, it hooks up quick and can run right next to your 10 sec cobra... why is it so hard to admit that? if they run the same the advantage is the same. end of story.

Hmmm...
Have you ever considered you raced head to head with a car of another class? Well shyt, I've a '97 Neon and bet I could be beat up a damn import! When I say import I mean my pop's 2000 Rodeo. Hmmm... Lets take a break on what we say we beat, k?
I've got a lil toy on the side... Itsa '72 Dodge Challenger, pushin' 'bout 410 hp at the wheelz, oh yeah and its 'domestic'. So, you beat on them other domestics today, race somethin' worth racin'. I lyke rollin' out to the car shows 'round here in VA with the Chal hearin' guyz with 300 hp Acs say they dont wanna race. Truth be known, their 300 hp import would probably beat my 410 hp domestic... I dont tell them that. I wouldn't race 'em anyway. They are different classes! My Chall is 'bout 3x as heavy as that lil Ac.
I aint hatin' on your ride, it's probably got some pep for a stock civi. I aint sayin' my tricked out Neon can beat it, I'm just sayin', dont brag 'bout what'chu can beat outta class, brag 'bout what'chu can beat within' your class. There is no way of knowing what comparisons may be made between 2 cars of different classes. My Chal is 30 yrs old, your civi, 7. So mine would have a few minor things worn down on it, nothin' noticable, just probably couple hundreths of a sec. Feel me on this one?
Having said that... Anyone beat on any imports lately? ;) hehe kiddin'


Matt

all domestics get pissed off when the get spanked by an import, even they domestics are on a different level, there not un beatable:flipa:

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 95civicman
heheh you make fun of a crx yet you drive a box that has 18" wheels that market to imports:D [/QUOTE
From your sig, no doubt you know about boxes:rolleyes: As far as the wheels go, they were on it when I bought it:mad: If the person I bought it from had not sold the cobra wheels, then the Konigs would be gone.


hehheh and judging from the above statements you know nothing about shapes:D. i've said it once and i'll say it again. everyone have a bit of rice in them:D*i'm talkin about you rims btw*

Originally posted by PFCfutrell


Sigh... what i was saying is that rearward weight transfer is undesirable in a FWD, where it would help a RWD it makes it easier to lose traction in FWD. A FWD with properly setup suspension can run side by side most RWD's, stiff rear springs/shocks, limited slip, drag slicks, MMR front crossmember, etc. will all help reduce rearward weight transfer in a FWD. I'm not talking out of my ass... I know from experience, i've been in the drag racing scene for a while and can hang with most Mustangs and Camaros off the line, when on street tires. considering they make three times the horsepower+much wider tires and they usually only beat my 60' by a tenth or two should tell you that drivetrain configuration is not the deciding factor in a race. Most V8 Mustangs and Camaros that do beat me off the line are running a LSD, much wider tires, and atleast three times the horsepower. If they had those advantages taken away then I seriously doubt they would own me like they do now.

By your post I have to wonder if you have ever even been to a dragstrip. Most any car is capable of 1.9-2 sec 60ft times. Be it civic or be it pinto. The only reason you are hanging with mustangs/camaros is their lack of traction, related to torque and HP, While front wheel drive is a disadvantage in high HP vehicles, it would actualy help with lower Hp vehicles such as yours, due to the weight of engine bearing down on the drive wheels. Im assuming yor only hanging thru the 60ft? If your beating mustang/camaros in the 1/4 with only a best time of 15.3 I would have to raise the flag and assume your not telling the whole truth.

Originally posted by 95civicman



hehheh and judging from the above statements you know nothing about shapes:D. i've said it once and i'll say it again. everyone have a bit of rice in them:D*i'm talkin about you rims btw*


In case you were unable to read my explaination on the rims I well restate. They were on the car when I bought it, I would never put such rims on my car but, due high cost of rims and not realy being able to justify purchasing new ones, when the ones I have are functional, I will leave them be. For the time being that is.

i read it the first time, and it's cool i'm just giving you a hard time. but my car dose not look like a box and yours dose, a pretty fast box at that. but if i really cared about speed then i woulda bought a 90-94 mustang and put some money into it. but no i like looks better and i decided to go with a more expensive car that i thought looks better. and you know that you like the rims:D

oops i made a mistake. your car isn't a box i forgot that they changed the body style in 94 not 95.:bloated: . i was talkin about the old 5.0's. sorry bout that.

Um a civic looks more like a box then my car. How does this look like a box? assuming boxes are square, no?

yea my bad i made a boo-boo

Originally posted by 95civicman
yea my bad i made a boo-boo


When you bought a civic?:D

ouch, why ya hit sooooooo hard????:Dheheheh wait! that's not funny. maybe i'll have to go buy another bottle of NAAAWWWWSSS and show you what real power is. heheheh

So how much time does a 55 hp shot of nitrous knock off your 1/4 mile time?

i don't know yet because i've only been to a track once and i didn't have the bottle filled up so i didn't use it plus my clutch is slippin bad and i haven't used it anymore.

What did you run without the bottle?