All this JARGON - it CTHOOM !
DOCTORBILL
02-11-2006, 10:17 PM
All the Jargon in this Forum is driving me crazy - and my Lithium doesn't work anymore!
I am sure that many of the 'great unwashed' who frequent this place would
appreciate being able to print out a list of what all these "abbreviations" mean!
It CTHOOM - 'confuses the Hell out of me' !
Here is a good example from another thread:
"Reasons for the ECM to set Code 42:
- System in BYPASS mode (i.e. EST line supposedly grounded) but activity sensed on EST line
- System in EST mode (i.e. BYPASS line driven with +5 volts) but no activity seen on the EST line
Possible causes include:
1) BYPASS line is open or grounded
2) EST line is open or grounded
3) Poor connections between ignition module and ECM
4) Poor routing of EST harness and/or poor quality ignition wires (EMI induced electrical noise
5) Faulty or incorrect ignition module
6) Faulty ECM'
I know all of you Metro enthusiasts think in that language, but I am
often struggling to understand what a CEL or an MAP or a TPS or an FPR is
supposed to be. I have to try to intuit the meaning from the text of the
message - sometimes with the Chilton Bible as my guide.
Am I right folks!? Speak up! Let them know.... add your 2¢ !
So Blake, MetroMightyMouse, Crvette69, etc - give us a lesson in this cryptic language you keep using!
Is this available on some web site or do we have to study the stone tablets
from that pyramid called the Chilton Manual...?
I already know BIB (Beer in the Bottle), BIC (Beer in the Can), PWB (Pizza
with Beer), BAC (Beer and a cigarette) - not to be confused with (BACG) -
Beer and a Cigar, WDAB (Wife drank all the Beer)....etc.
DoctorBill
PS - The definition of Jargon from:
http://www.hyperdictionary.com
Definition:
1. [n] specialized technical terminology characteristic of a particular subject
2. [n] a characteristic language of a particular group (as among thieves); "they don't speak our lingo"
3. [n] a colorless (or pale yellow or smoky) variety of zircon
Synonyms: argot, cant, jargoon, lingo, patois, slang, vernacular
See Also: ecobabble, Eurobabble, expressive style, gobbledygook, non-standard speech,
psychobabble, rhyming slang, style, technobabble, zircon, zirconium silicate
I am sure that many of the 'great unwashed' who frequent this place would
appreciate being able to print out a list of what all these "abbreviations" mean!
It CTHOOM - 'confuses the Hell out of me' !
Here is a good example from another thread:
"Reasons for the ECM to set Code 42:
- System in BYPASS mode (i.e. EST line supposedly grounded) but activity sensed on EST line
- System in EST mode (i.e. BYPASS line driven with +5 volts) but no activity seen on the EST line
Possible causes include:
1) BYPASS line is open or grounded
2) EST line is open or grounded
3) Poor connections between ignition module and ECM
4) Poor routing of EST harness and/or poor quality ignition wires (EMI induced electrical noise
5) Faulty or incorrect ignition module
6) Faulty ECM'
I know all of you Metro enthusiasts think in that language, but I am
often struggling to understand what a CEL or an MAP or a TPS or an FPR is
supposed to be. I have to try to intuit the meaning from the text of the
message - sometimes with the Chilton Bible as my guide.
Am I right folks!? Speak up! Let them know.... add your 2¢ !
So Blake, MetroMightyMouse, Crvette69, etc - give us a lesson in this cryptic language you keep using!
Is this available on some web site or do we have to study the stone tablets
from that pyramid called the Chilton Manual...?
I already know BIB (Beer in the Bottle), BIC (Beer in the Can), PWB (Pizza
with Beer), BAC (Beer and a cigarette) - not to be confused with (BACG) -
Beer and a Cigar, WDAB (Wife drank all the Beer)....etc.
DoctorBill
PS - The definition of Jargon from:
http://www.hyperdictionary.com
Definition:
1. [n] specialized technical terminology characteristic of a particular subject
2. [n] a characteristic language of a particular group (as among thieves); "they don't speak our lingo"
3. [n] a colorless (or pale yellow or smoky) variety of zircon
Synonyms: argot, cant, jargoon, lingo, patois, slang, vernacular
See Also: ecobabble, Eurobabble, expressive style, gobbledygook, non-standard speech,
psychobabble, rhyming slang, style, technobabble, zircon, zirconium silicate
Crvett69
02-12-2006, 02:15 AM
ECU... electronic control unit, the computer uunder the dash
MAP........manifold air pressure sensor, thing bolted to firewall with one hose and wires going to it next to wiper motor
CEL...... check engine light, comes on when computer senses a problem or blinks out a code with diagnostic fuse plugged in
FPR.........fuel pressure regulator, inside throttle body
MAP........manifold air pressure sensor, thing bolted to firewall with one hose and wires going to it next to wiper motor
CEL...... check engine light, comes on when computer senses a problem or blinks out a code with diagnostic fuse plugged in
FPR.........fuel pressure regulator, inside throttle body
DOCTORBILL
02-13-2006, 01:34 AM
OK.
Well, I tried folks.
Maybe someone who agrees with me can 'glean' all the abbreviations or
acronyms (right word?) on this forum and combine them into a thread.
I KNOW!.......I will start a "poll" and we can all add them to that.
THEN I can, after some interim, put them all together and alphabetize them.
I have nothing better to do until the weather allows me to go back outside and
work on my non-functional '93 Geo Metro.
DoctorBill
Well, I tried folks.
Maybe someone who agrees with me can 'glean' all the abbreviations or
acronyms (right word?) on this forum and combine them into a thread.
I KNOW!.......I will start a "poll" and we can all add them to that.
THEN I can, after some interim, put them all together and alphabetize them.
I have nothing better to do until the weather allows me to go back outside and
work on my non-functional '93 Geo Metro.
DoctorBill
Metro Mighty Mouse
02-14-2006, 03:31 PM
Hey doc, thanks for including me in the list, I really appreciate it. The easiest way for those of us using the acronyms to know which ones you are having a problem with is to just ask. I have no problem answering the same question several times in the same week to clear confusion. I've done it for JDM (japanese domestic market), to me it is part of the lingo of owning a japanese vehicle, but I do remember reading it for the first time in Sport Compact Car and wondering what the hell it meant. Please, everyone, ask away, most of us are more than happy to be helpful and those that aren't leave fairly quickly.
Jon
Jon
skybren
02-16-2006, 01:47 AM
Hey, I am sitting here watchin the Olympics but when I started to read this I thought hey Nice Job!!
This is nothing against the guys you mentioned because they have been very helpful with me...But I know where you're coming from, from my era.. Right On
This is nothing against the guys you mentioned because they have been very helpful with me...But I know where you're coming from, from my era.. Right On
leonbentz
02-16-2006, 09:11 PM
Bill? Is your Metro still down? Is your thyrottle body back together yet?
DOCTORBILL
02-17-2006, 09:24 PM
Bill? Is your Metro still down? Is your thyrottle body back together yet?
Yes - still down. The weather is not copesetic to my aging corpus.
In fact, last night it was -1 °F with maybe 40 mph winds here in Spokane.
I hate this! I am driving my '91 Jeep Cherokkee with a manual 5 speed with a clutch that
feels like an 18 wheeler. 20 mpg and the clutch pedal of a truck......
Oh well - I do have a working vehicle, so 'knock on wood'....
DoctorBill
PS - why does double clutching make some gears go in so much more easily?
This Jeep needs double clutching going into second gear when its cold - especially
downshifting.......
Yes - still down. The weather is not copesetic to my aging corpus.
In fact, last night it was -1 °F with maybe 40 mph winds here in Spokane.
I hate this! I am driving my '91 Jeep Cherokkee with a manual 5 speed with a clutch that
feels like an 18 wheeler. 20 mpg and the clutch pedal of a truck......
Oh well - I do have a working vehicle, so 'knock on wood'....
DoctorBill
PS - why does double clutching make some gears go in so much more easily?
This Jeep needs double clutching going into second gear when its cold - especially
downshifting.......
Metro Mighty Mouse
02-18-2006, 04:02 PM
PS - why does double clutching make some gears go in so much more easily?
This Jeep needs double clutching going into second gear when its cold - especially
downshifting.......
It means your syncro is not working correctly. The syncro essentially matches the the speed of the 2 gears that you are trying to mesh so they will go together without grinding. Double clutching uses the engine to change the speed of the gear to better match, and hopefully allow shifting without grinding when there is no syncro. If your syncro is not totally gone double clutching helps it by making the gear speed closer to the correct speed. Keep double clutching and it could last for years, and it should get noisy before dying. You might change the trans fluid, if it hasn't been done, to remove any metal bits from whatever is wrong with the syncro.
Jon
This Jeep needs double clutching going into second gear when its cold - especially
downshifting.......
It means your syncro is not working correctly. The syncro essentially matches the the speed of the 2 gears that you are trying to mesh so they will go together without grinding. Double clutching uses the engine to change the speed of the gear to better match, and hopefully allow shifting without grinding when there is no syncro. If your syncro is not totally gone double clutching helps it by making the gear speed closer to the correct speed. Keep double clutching and it could last for years, and it should get noisy before dying. You might change the trans fluid, if it hasn't been done, to remove any metal bits from whatever is wrong with the syncro.
Jon
gumby_ct
02-18-2006, 06:21 PM
UNA= Use No Acronym(s)
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