Serious, Very Serious, Let's Talk About Rice

Now before this gets closed/locked/ or I get banned for trying to stick my head where it doesn't belong, I want to know, what you, the actual honda civic drivers(is this the EK forum? >_O) think about the word 'riceburner' or the fact that a lot of people think you, the civic public, believes that vinyl adds horsepower, :screwy: which is ridiculous. And if there are people who drive your same type of cars, that are THIS stupid, why don't the seasoned veterans try to teach them about what's right what's fast, how to correctly modify a car and not a bodykit.

Quite frankly I'M REALLY TIRED OF HEARING THE WORD RICER *sighs* now I'm guessing most of you are gonna claim you're not even ricers, so what? there's not one ricer on AF? So can someone tell me NOT what others percieve a ricer is, but what a ricer REALLY is and stands for and what you're gonna do about it? Because everyone calls you ricers.

Thankyou and please don't ban me permanently :) .....:uhoh:

Well I dislike the word 'rice' too, and i hear it alot for my 93 Civic Si Hatch. But I dunno, it's really a loose term. And whoever made u the 'vinyl adds horsepower' wasnt even a person who would be considered a 'ricer' rather just an idiot making fun of someone with a badly designed vinyl (i dont like vinyl at all unless its stripes or a little pinstripe, but custom paintjobs with pictures are sweet though). Decals are there because we like the company that the sticker represents, we dont believe it gives us any horsepower, again though i dont use decals so i cant really say 'we' or 'us'.

My point is, people like their cars, thats how it is, and odds are, it's not going to be what you like. But when it is give them props, or even more respectfully, if the look is downright dumb, but the craftsmanship and funciton is beyond perfect, you should give them just as much respect as a tuner, being they put hard knowledged time and effort into createing something they believe is unique and different.

Now if the car has just a front bumper that offsets the whole vehicle, the lighting is a different color than the paint and doesnt seem to fit any color scheme, has a huge quick-bolt-on drag-inducing aluminum wing, and vinyl that looks like it could be drawn by a 4 year old, then just dont look at it, plain and simple.

We all arent in it for the speed (i am :smokin: ) , the scene, or even for the looks.

But we all like our cars, and dislike other cars... So It'll be a loong while before muscleheads, tuners, and custom car show people all get along.

Though my ideal car is a sweet honda Si or acura type-s with some big wheels, big balls of power via turbo and internal build, a nice bright candy blue or green with a mild kit on it, custom interior in and out, is the ideal car, as i would also drive a built up any year GTO (or pontiac really) with a good huge full blown engine with a blower any day of the wek, and i think there should be more like me out there.

well to start off its not only civic/honda owners at that, that makes the import scene look bad theres plenty other car makes that ppl rice out...

Vinyl dont add shit it looks stupid, Just cause most ricer's have it dont mean they agree it adds HP. Im guessing most go for looks but it's the gay..

Body kits dont add shit, wings dont add shit..

^^That stuff right there is what gets hondas called ricers & all the teenage punks that thinks cause they have a EGAY intake there faster then a LS-1 or whatever there against...

Not every civic is Rice, maybe ones where your from or see online but there are clean swapped civics/other make cars at that...

Hell what about the camaro's/mustangs and whatnot ppl rice out come on lets talk about that, or even the mitsu's and whatnot..Ive seen plenty hell ive even seen riced out looking corvettes rolling down the highway with the gay metal wings and whatnot...Theres plenty all over the U.S. and whatnot it goes both ways so before you bring up a subject about HONDUHS as most domestics and others call them lets try and think about your own car families that ppl rice out..

I bet i could pull up plenty of websites that sells ricer parts and they have at least 1+ riced out Domestic or anything else...

Good point made right there...

Im not gonna argue or whatever but like i said it goes both ways..Theres all sorts off ppl that makes both types of vehicles look bad Imports/Domestics..

So what do you think about other vehicles besides hondas are those Ok to rice or is it just a honda that is not aloud to be included in rice are hondas to cool to rice for most ppl..

I myself dislike any sort of rice type parts...But hell i just bought myself a set of projector headlights as a temporary fix cause they was $20 dollars and i was in bad need of a set...So i guess that makes me in the ricer scene for now untill i find a good set of OEM headlights...

Later

WTF,
i dont go to your forums and ask if you like to be called red neck.

well, do you like to be called a red neck?

It's just a term. That's all. I used to drive big displacement monsters back in the days. I guess the fastest accelerating car that I had was a 64 Ford Galaxie with 390. 850 double pumper, performer RPM intake, JE 20 over pistons, storked. Headers and cut outs and all... Man that was a fun car. Anyways, back then all my buddies had stickers up the wazoo lining the windows. Call be a red neck, but that was what we did.

Now I love my "rice burner". Year, given that I don't agree with body kits and stickers, but I understand why people do it. They want to be unique and be individual. I don't think there is any thing wrong with that.

Also the fact that a kid thinks his or her car is the fastest in the world is not that bad. I used to think that my cars were the fastest, but there were many instances where I just got smoked. Once this old lady in a plymouth belvedere pulled up next to me. Of course I thought I can smoke her. But nooo. I reved my motor and when the light turned green, she was 20 yards in front of me in a few seconds. Her license plate read 66 hemi. :banghead: Anyways, all I am saying is that I was young and naive. But after awhile I learned. I think it is the same with "ricers" these days. They or we are just being kids.

WTF,
i dont go to your forums and ask if you like to be called red neck.

well, do you like to be called a red neck?

I'm both ricer and redneck and at the same time neither, I'm a learning car enthusiast who hasn't put much money into cars until now. I've driven 2 japanese cars and one american. I mostly drive american now to keep some pride in my country, knowing full well a lot of other countries dislike us, that was my decision. I don't like all cars but I like all car making countries.

btw, why is it that whenever i type the words 50hp vinyl people think i believe it?

to answer the question before this one, I came to this forum because honda is the #1 target so you guys most have the most experience, know what's up.
I initially thought rice meant anything japanese, and then others say it can mean any car ever made to look stupid, I see LT1s with whiteout tailights and i'm like wtf, you can call that rice, I call it both rice and illegal :banghead: But I'm mostly saying I think rice started out meaning asian cars/trucks/bikes.

I never liked the term, ever. Too many flaws. Let's try to keep this thread open though to get more comments, maybe I should even move it to a more popular forum, no offense, I mean a general car forum if there's one that this appeals to.

hang on i've got one more reply to read

It's just a term. That's all. I used to drive big displacement monsters back in the days. I guess the fastest accelerating car that I had was a 64 Ford Galaxie with 390. 850 double pumper, performer RPM intake, JE 20 over pistons, storked. Headers and cut outs and all... Man that was a fun car. Anyways, back then all my buddies had stickers up the wazoo lining the windows. Call be a red neck, but that was what we did.

Now I love my "rice burner". Year, given that I don't agree with body kits and stickers, but I understand why people do it. They want to be unique and be individual. I don't think there is any thing wrong with that.

Also the fact that a kid thinks his or her car is the fastest in the world is not that bad. I used to think that my cars were the fastest, but there were many instances where I just got smoked. Once this old lady in a plymouth belvedere pulled up next to me. Of course I thought I can smoke her. But nooo. I reved my motor and when the light turned green, she was 20 yards in front of me in a few seconds. Her license plate read 66 hemi. :banghead: Anyways, all I am saying is that I was young and naive. But after awhile I learned. I think it is the same with "ricers" these days. They or we are just being kids.

I mostly agree with you HX, that most of these 'ricers' are naive kids that need to learn, but then there's adults out there trying to make money off of the market. We have to get in their minds also. Why do they do it? Are those young drivers their target? Because sometimes it's for the more mature drivers. The world of 'rice' as I know it just amazes me...in a bad way.
-Quick

i drive a 98 civic. built a few hours from my house in the great state of ohio.
you cant call that a jap car.

that would be like calling half of the GMC's and others a mexican car, because they are made in mexico
i even hear that camarhoes were made in canadia?

the whole idea of imports is over, as for hondas at least.

Good point and your right. Camaro's were built in Canada the last generation and I had a BMW that was built just 2 states from my house in North Carolina. Despite how it may look I don't think quicksilver is trying to flame you guys. He is just confused on the use of the term since it did start out being mainly a Asian car manufactor term. Although like I explained in another thread, now adays if you look hard enough you (or sometimes you don't have to) you will find any car riced out.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=466290&highlight=ricer
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=231900&highlight=rice
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=267694&highlight=rice

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=466290&highlight=ricer
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=231900&highlight=rice
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=267694&highlight=rice

I only liked the third one, and even still the guy got banned, he must have really pissed people off. But it just occurred to me that this IS a problem that's not going away. Infact it's evolving.

Okay so I can't argue about the type of car because it really is all preference what you choose to drive(civic,camaro,bmw,sport truck). I have nothing against a nicely modified, or even a stock civic hatch. I used to have a CRX(did I mention this? first car)

I once did the rice thing, only performance mod was a loud muffler, atleast it added power. But i knew next to nothing about engines and transmission, I had an auto and it slipped from 1st to 3rd I believe, 0-60 was fun, I counted the seconds, for a while. But I learned and i'm still learning. Atleast I never put on a body kit..I painted the calipers/drums, had gunmetal rims from motegi, I painted the door jamb gunmetal to match..lol and had seatbelt covers..those were annoying. Nothing really slowed me down, no spoiler, but I almost bought a wide body, that black widow one had just come out, Those are my fond memories of ricehood.

the thing I hate is a lot of people call hondas and other tuner cars ricers. Even some of my redneck friends talk about how they want to buy a honda and build a little "ricer" out of it. The term has changed in the past five years. Back in the day rice was a ghetto ass car with a big spoiler, graphics, and other gay things. Now days, most people call any honda or tuner car rice just because it's a tuner car....

the thing I hate is a lot of people call hondas and other tuner cars ricers. Even some of my redneck friends talk about how they want to buy a honda and build a little "ricer" out of it. The term has changed in the past five years. Back in the day rice was a ghetto ass car with a big spoiler, graphics, and other gay things. Now days, most people call any honda or tuner car rice just because it's a tuner car....

While we're on the subject how do you define a redneck? I can more easily define myself as a ricer than a redneck because my DD is a 240sx. More so how do you compare the two? What do ricer and redneck have to do with eachother?

That's right, just call people more names, you're not making any progress. Back in 01, in high school a rice burner was any japanese/korean vehicle. And 'rice' was for the most part okay. I don't remember camaro/mustang owners fighting with compact car owners either.

What you should worry about is what the person using the word 'ricer' means by it, is it jap or crap? not a combination of the two. Same thing goes for when someone calls someone else a 'redneck', damnit now i'm going to have to make a thread about what is a redneck, thanks a lot

Interesting topic here. Personally I despise the term "rice" or "ricer." I think nowadays any car with a body kit or even rims for that matter is automatically called a ricer. If the person wants to make his car look nice that way, I dont think that person should be judged or degraded for that simple matter. Not everyone is out looking to make their car the fastest in the world. If the person wants a show car, then let them show it off and salute the person for the money and effort spent on the car to make it look nice. Don't mock the person and call him or her a "ricer" just because there is not much under the hood.

Did I just read this? That's 5 minutes I'll never get back. And 45 seconds wasted explaining my disdain for this thread.

And 45 seconds wasted explaining my disdain for this thread.
You type slow :icon16:

i think the term ricer isnt a "bad" name.. all of our cars are imports,(honda nissan, mitsu..whatever, ect.)... and whats the main crop for mont these countries... rice... so instead of "forign" the "domestic" people call us rice...

SO, technically, if you want to get anything out of rice, all thier tryin to say is that the fact that thier just jealous that somehow a 1.6 or 1.8 can come STOCK with 180hp... and the gay mustang 3.8!!! comes with like 165hp!!!! so mabe there all just glorifying us that our cars are from japan and the japaneese are so smart that they can squeese way more hp out of a motor than the "domestics" can...

oh yeah... and if you drive a neon, stealth, escort, or most other domestics, search a little, and you will probibly find that your car probibly has a forign motor. dodge-mitsubishi... ford-mazda.... so really your just HALF domestic half "rice" ahahhahahhaahhahahahhahahahahaha....

sry... i think its funny when they think they have "domestic" cars with all american hp....lol

Did I just read this? That's 5 minutes I'll never get back. And 45 seconds wasted explaining my disdain for this thread.

I'm not sure why you don't like my thread, but I am sure why it may have been a waste of your time, it's because these "rice" threads never work.

I'm even trying to compare what everyone thinks here and it's really all different, no one's agreeing, just arguing, do you just want this war to continue??

While we're on the subject how do you define a redneck?
The town I'm from has less than 4,000 people, it has 35 times more cows than people. 90% of my friends were born and raised on a farm and are either farmers or loggers. All of them drive 4 wheel drive trucks and carry an empty pop bottle with them to spit their chew into.
here's a picture at my friend's house, in the sticks.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/kicker1_solo/stix.jpg

Shall I go on?

Yeah, I think if you enjoy some chewing Tobacco. You earned your Redneck label.

Hello

I am fairly new to AF. My first thread was completely embarssing. But after help from a few members on this forum, i have a better understanding of cars and performance mods.

I have come across the term 'ricer' or 'ricer' in many thread and wasnt really sure what it meant. I got the impression tho that being 'rice' or a 'ricer' is a bad thing. So tell me which of the following is the true defination of the term 'ricer'

1] Ricer is anyone who visually modifies his/her car?

2] Ricer is anyone who modifies is car?

3] Ricer is someone who own japaneess ( spelling ) car.

4] Ricer is someone who owns japaneese (spelling) car in conjunction with point [1] or [2]

5] Ricer is someone who has a better car than you.

From my recent posts, i want to get a body kit, a nice set of rims, CAI and cat back exhaust. I would also go for a dual metallic paint. All this will be done to my 2001 Honda Coupe 1.5 VTi with 160 hp.

Am i a ricer?

From my recent posts, i want to get a body kit, a nice set of rims, CAI and cat back exhaust. I would also go for a dual metallic paint. All this will be done to my 2001 Honda Coupe 1.5 VTi with 160 hp.

Am i a ricer?Yes you are.
Body kits are rice, big flashy wheels are rice.

Hello Kicker1

Am i rice because i want ALL of the above or am i rice because i want ANY of the above? If it is the latter, then arent 85% of all the members on this board ricers?

I say do whatever you like and get whatever car you like. So if your happy with what it looks like or what type of vehicle it is. What do you care what other people label you?. Unless your the type of person that has to have everyone else like what they have. In which case thats sad.

Hello formulalt1

I feel the same. In the end of the day, it is my car and i should be able to do whatever i want to with it. I think, a better defination of the term 'ricer' would be :

An induvidual who has very low knowledge about modding car but visually modifies his/her car and talks out of his/her read end just to look cool in front of his peers.

If it is the latter, then arent 85% of all the members on this board ricers?
yes, yes they are.

Hello

I am fairly new to AF. My first thread was completely embarssing. But after help from a few members on this forum, i have a better understanding of cars and performance mods.

I have come across the term 'ricer' or 'ricer' in many thread and wasnt really sure what it meant. I got the impression tho that being 'rice' or a 'ricer' is a bad thing. So tell me which of the following is the true defination of the term 'ricer'

1] Ricer is anyone who visually modifies his/her car?

2] Ricer is anyone who modifies is car?

3] Ricer is someone who own japaneess ( spelling ) car.

4] Ricer is someone who owns japaneese (spelling) car in conjunction with point [1] or [2]

5] Ricer is someone who has a better car than you.

From my recent posts, i want to get a body kit, a nice set of rims, CAI and cat back exhaust. I would also go for a dual metallic paint. All this will be done to my 2001 Honda Coupe 1.5 VTi with 160 hp.

Am i a ricer?

some body kits actually look nice but most people only prefer a lip kit dropped with rims which is my personal favorite way of visually modding a car...to answer your questions...

1) NO almost everyone who fixes up a car has some sort of visual modification

2) NO "ricer" is a bad name to have in the automotive performance world

3) NO only to the people who hate japanese cars they might call us all that but in our terms we have a different definition

4) NO

5) OMFG NO NO NO

and to answer the last question "are you a ricer?" i honestly have no clue find a deeper definition of the word and what it means to you and see if you are or not

and to answer the last question "are you a ricer?" i honestly have no clue find a deeper definition of the word and what it means to you and see if you are or not
this is the kit he wants to put on his car
http://www.potn.co.uk/images/extremedimen/imexdimencivic01-03buddy.jpg

he doesn't wanna lower his car, and wants an intake and exhaust.
now can you answer his question? :evillol:

^^That car is a perfect example of rice...Also i hope you enjoy taking off and fixing your bodykit at least 6 times a year, you will come to find there jank as hell...

I used to actually like the NON agressive Kits but anything like that is junk to me now and im talking used to as in 6 years ago..I just like the normal small Lip kit,16"s Rota or something of that sort and mostly every bolt on i can get...

O well

hello :)

kicker1 :

yes, yes they are.
Are you are a ricer too? Infact, arent all those who posted on this thread ricer? That is if they have modded their ride; visually or performance vise?

he doesn't wanna lower his car,
Actually, yesterday, i saw this bmw 3 series and a Rover lowerd and it wasnt looking so bad. So i think i will lower the car. Also looking to 'wield grind plates' under the car where it is likely to scrape as sujjested by TurboLaxx.

iVteC_PoWeR AND everyone:

OK how about this. you have 4 cars;

1] HONDA - Visually + Performance modded
2] HONDA - Visually modded
3] MUSTANG - Visually + Performance modded
4] MUSTANG - Visually modded

Which one is the 'rice' car?

hello :)

kicker1 :


Are you are a ricer too? Infact, arent all those who posted on this thread ricer? That is if they have modded their ride; visually or performance vise?


Actually, yesterday, i saw this bmw 3 series and a Rover lowerd and it wasnt looking so bad. So i think i will lower the car. Also looking to 'wield grind plates' under the car where it is likely to scrape as sujjested by TurboLaxx.

iVteC_PoWeR AND everyone:

OK how about this. you have 4 cars;

1] HONDA - Visually + Performance modded
2] HONDA - Visually modded
3] MUSTANG - Visually + Performance modded
4] MUSTANG - Visually modded

Which one is the 'rice' car?
First, I don't think you understand at all what we have said about rice. all visual mods are not rice, go back and re-read all of our posts.
Which cars are rice, it depends on how they are visually modded. If they all have wild body kits I would personally say all of them, even the ones with performance mods. Performance mods don't cancel out the ugly visual mods.

And am I a ricer too? No, anyone who has seen my car can tell you that it's not rice. The only visual mod on the outside of my car is a paint job. My car is lowered (not done for looks) on stock integra wheels with stock bumpers. I spent my money on other mods, such as a motor swap and other little goodies along those lines.

I'll tell you all what I think about the word ricer...the people who coined the term and hate on "ricers" are just as bad as those cars deserving of the label they make fun of.

Case in point. I don't pretend to have a fast drag car, never taken her to the strip. My car gets shown, plain and simple. 10-15+ times a year, I've driven 8-9+ hours and 300 + miles to shows line HIN, SCN, etc. Still, I didn't just throw parts on like some people. I thought the car out. Now yes I have vinly logo's on the car...those are from legitmite sponsors or companies which have bent over backwards to help me out. They sort of have to be there on the window. No they don't add horsepower, and they are NOT on to be cool. They are on because they needed to be or to give those companies that went out of their way to help me some added exposer at the shows.

Now, some people see this and don't like it. If fact, someone vandalized my car yesterday night while I was stopped for dinner while I was on my way to roll in for a show in chunck of my paint out, a little smaller than 1/2" x 1/2" approx size chunk of paint out while I was parked for dinner at a fast food joint. Right at the front top corner of the door, right down to the very first spec of paint, right down to the primer. I mean, it's like 2 mils deep at least...big and nasty...and definatly done on purpose. Why do I mention this? Becuase I am sure the a-hole who screwed up my nice custom piant job saw my civic and thought vinyl, 18's, body kit, lowered all to heck...dang ricer...let's have some fun. Great...last year I placed first at HIN seattle, this year I have top re-paint my door cuz some jerk couldn't understand this was a SHOW car. Just because I sport a logo don't mean I'm rice. No logo, no sponsorship...tough world I guess...so sport a few I do. Now I gotta drop $$ to fix my car before SCN in Canada in 2 months, all because some jerk. Point being...jerks like that person are just as bad as the worst "ricers" out their.

So as I said...whatever you THINK ricer means, those who "screw" with ricers like that are just as bad as the "ricers" they are trying to mess with.

I'll tell you all what I think about the word ricer...the people who coined the term and hate on "ricers" are just as bad as those cars deserving of the label they make fun of.

Case in point. I don't pretend to have a fast drag car, never taken her to the strip. My car gets shown, plain and simple. 10-15+ times a year, I've driven 8-9+ hours and 300 + miles to shows line HIN, SCN, etc. Still, I didn't just throw parts on like some people. I thought the car out. Now yes I have vinly logo's on the car...those are from legitmite sponsors or companies which have bent over backwards to help me out. They sort of have to be there on the window. No they don't add horsepower, and they are NOT on to be cool. They are on because they needed to be or to give those companies that went out of their way to help me some added exposer at the shows.

Now, some people see this and don't like it. If fact, someone vandalized my car yesterday night while I was stopped for dinner while I was on my way to roll in for a show in chunck of my paint out, a little smaller than 1/2" x 1/2" approx size chunk of paint out while I was parked for dinner at a fast food joint. Right at the front top corner of the door, right down to the very first spec of paint, right down to the primer. I mean, it's like 2 mils deep at least...big and nasty...and definatly done on purpose. Why do I mention this? Becuase I am sure the a-hole who screwed up my nice custom piant job saw my civic and thought vinyl, 18's, body kit, lowered all to heck...dang ricer...let's have some fun. Great...last year I placed first at HIN seattle, this year I have top re-paint my door cuz some jerk couldn't understand this was a SHOW car. Just because I sport a logo don't mean I'm rice. No logo, no sponsorship...tough world I guess...so sport a few I do. Now I gotta drop $$ to fix my car before SCN in Canada in 2 months, all because some jerk. Point being...jerks like that person are just as bad as the worst "ricers" out their.

So as I said...whatever you THINK ricer means, those who "screw" with ricers like that are just as bad as the "ricers" they are trying to mess with.

Do you have pictures of your car? I wanna see it. Not because i'll make fun of it, because I want to see it.

Do you have pictures of your car? I wanna see it. Not because i'll make fun of it, because I want to see it.

I do have pics of the car but I've never posted them here on AF...a lot of haters online who don't respect anything that's not there own...a few members and ex members here and there have seen it. I might post some up though...

I do have pics of the car but I've never posted them here on AF...a lot of haters online who don't respect anything that's not there own...a few members and ex members here and there have seen it. I might post some up though...


Right on Ecko it has been a while...For alot of us as well

I feel like this. If people want to put a bunch of "crazy" stuff on their cars then that's up to them. Everyone has their own opinion on what is "rice" and what's not. I see cars with spinning hubcaps, flame stickers all over, fake cell phone antennas, 7 inch exhaust tips, aluminum wings 5 feet tall, etc all the time. What may be ridiculous and "rice" to me may be cool or just an expression of the person with the car. I have had "ricey" things on my car in the past. I don't degrade others' rides for what they have on them. I may think it's funny and laugh, but it's their perogative and should not be judged. Some like a lot of crap on their cars, some like a clean look. Some want wild body kits and some want JDM. It's all in what people like. Now the ones who cut off their exhaust and screw on a tip, put on a home-made intake, big azz jet wing and a pie-plate sized tach on the dash and revving up at every car at the stop light is a different story!

i had hoped that this thread died and would never come back

Brought back from the dead after 1 month....sigh....:frown:

As I said above, it's an attitude, it doesn't matter what type of car you drive or how nice it is...you put chrome spinning hubcaps and some chrome tails on your car and you think your bada** all of a sudden, you go revving on people...well....like I said, it's an attitude.

Who in the world would ever think that putting vinyls on their cars will make it go fast? The only people known to do that are Red Necks not ricer, just watch "The Fast and The Furious." They still use a bunch of ricer cars, and their cars have a bunch of vinyls on it for no reason.:screwy: Watch more ricer movie (BMI) and you'll know that we don't like a lot of VINYLS. (ONLY TO ADVERTISE PRODUCT).

Who in the world would ever think that putting vinyls on their cars will make it go fast? The only people known to do that are Red Necks not ricer, just watch "The Fast and The Furious." They still use a bunch of ricer cars, and their cars have a bunch of vinyls on it for no reason.:screwy: Watch more ricer movie (BMI) and you'll know that we don't like a lot of VINYLS. (ONLY TO ADVERTISE PRODUCT).

Jeez fircken man...Let this fricken thread die people...

As I said in my first post, not everyone puts vinyl emblems from manufacturs on there car to be cool and go fast. True, we don't like them but some of us have to. I HAVE to have the ones on my car when I put them on. It's the price you pay for being sponsored...others where put on there as a thanks to companies that took care of me and when above and beyond to help me out.

Yes, many people DO put vinyls on to be cool or "look fast." But IU hate this "all vinyls are rice" crap. When you see www.decah.net, dynamat or phoenix gold on my car at a show, it's because it needed to be there. Sure, I've left some on after the sponsor contract was filled, but thats because until a new company or person needs the spot, I perfer to show my apperication to the companies that showed faith in me and helped me get there.

True, many people put vinyls on for reasons we find dumb, but I hate this generalized "all ppl put them on cuz" or "the only ppl who put them on cuz" crap. It's jerks like that that f*ck with a car like mine when I park for dinner on the way to a show. Dang, I'm driving 200+ miles sometimes, so I spot to eat. Leave my fircken car alone, the logos are on the windows for a PURPOSE in my case...and they need to be for the shows. When you signa contract with decah agreeing to sponsorship, for example, you gotta put it on. Hose techinques, same thing. No logo...no deal...simple.

So buzz off when you say "only to advertise product" or "only rednecks." Some ppl do it cuz they are iditos, other cuz it's a f*ckin sponsorship...you signed a contract...a legel binding contract. Put of that contract IS you advetsie product. Thats what a spnosrhsip is...the are providing you with disconted or free product so you will provide them with advertising on the track, the street shows, etc. If you don't wanna "advertise", the don't get the sponsorship, cuz if youwant those free doors, for example, you're gonna have to rock the logo or website on your windshield. Say you will butdon't do it? You're stuck paying full for the product best case, you have a legel contract stating so..and you just trashed your name to future sponsors. They arn't a redneck, they gotta have it.

Take that movie we hate...you think then got free crap from greddy, etc for the cars with nothing in return? Heck no, these companies shell out easy 10K plus to equip a car with there parts. You think Greddy, Apexi, autometer, apc, etc want to give universal free stuff and get no advetising? Heck no, they want some advertising in return for the free stuff, so on the cars the logos go in tne movie. No logo..they end up paying 50K plus for all that crap. It doesn't make fiscal sense. Look on the doors and windows, and thats why it's there.

It's the same with sponsorships for you and me. You want that partial or full sponsorship from Phoenix Gold or Decah, you gotta attend an agreed to nuymber of shows, and fufill a set amount or agreed to cirtira, and rock their logo or website (whichever THEY choose) on your car in the spot they want in the size they want. You don't like that...no free doors or stereo equip for you, you can pay $1000-1200 instead. That adds up after awhile, and to some, it's worth the trade off, because they can get more bang for their buck product-wise.

True, there are ppl that advertise to "be cool" and crap when they don't show or race and don't have to. But stop with the "all people who do it for that reason are rices crap. some of us HAVE to, and I'd rather raock that website on my shield than pay $2000 for that crap. That windsheild banner aloows me to put that money into something else. You don't like it? Then your as can give me $2000 to spend on that crap so I don't have to agree to terms of a sponsorship to get it. Money doesn't grow on trees, sometimes it's give and take building a show car.

Now enough of this ignorance.:banghead: :nono: :screwy: