turbo blown, time for an upgrade?
tsiskeetskeet
02-06-2006, 06:36 PM
The stock turbo on my talon tsi blew the other day..im looking to upgrade but I don't want to spend too much on parts and such...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EVO-3-16G-Ported-Turbo-DSM-1G-2g-Includes-INSTALL-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQitemZ8035114 673
i was looking at this one off ebay...anyone have any experience with this?
Will i need to upgrade anything else besides the fuel pump or get any more fittings?
And how hard would it be to install?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EVO-3-16G-Ported-Turbo-DSM-1G-2g-Includes-INSTALL-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQitemZ8035114 673
i was looking at this one off ebay...anyone have any experience with this?
Will i need to upgrade anything else besides the fuel pump or get any more fittings?
And how hard would it be to install?
DragonofBC
02-06-2006, 06:45 PM
The stock turbo on my talon tsi blew the other day..im looking to upgrade but I don't want to spend too much on parts and such...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EVO-3-16G-Ported-Turbo-DSM-1G-2g-Includes-INSTALL-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQitemZ8035114 673
i was looking at this one off ebay...anyone have any experience with this?
Will i need to upgrade anything else besides the fuel pump or get any more fittings?
And how hard would it be to install?
A big no to that one. The seller is SSAutoChrome. Do a search and you'll find TONS of bad press not only on this forum but all over the internet. You don't want to cheap out on a turbo because doing so could cost you an engine. Spend the $200 more and do it right from a reputable vendor.
I've got an EVO3 on mine with limited mods. You can do it, but you can't expect a great increase if you only raise boost to safe levels. It will require intake, exhaust, fuel and tunig upgrades to have it really wow you.
If you are looking for a solid upgrade you can grow into, go with an EVOIII or T-28. If you are looking for a track monster, go with a 50 trim or 20g. If you are looking a budget beast, go 14b.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EVO-3-16G-Ported-Turbo-DSM-1G-2g-Includes-INSTALL-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQitemZ8035114 673
i was looking at this one off ebay...anyone have any experience with this?
Will i need to upgrade anything else besides the fuel pump or get any more fittings?
And how hard would it be to install?
A big no to that one. The seller is SSAutoChrome. Do a search and you'll find TONS of bad press not only on this forum but all over the internet. You don't want to cheap out on a turbo because doing so could cost you an engine. Spend the $200 more and do it right from a reputable vendor.
I've got an EVO3 on mine with limited mods. You can do it, but you can't expect a great increase if you only raise boost to safe levels. It will require intake, exhaust, fuel and tunig upgrades to have it really wow you.
If you are looking for a solid upgrade you can grow into, go with an EVOIII or T-28. If you are looking for a track monster, go with a 50 trim or 20g. If you are looking a budget beast, go 14b.
crunchymilk55
02-06-2006, 06:45 PM
It's definitely not a legitimage mitsu turbo, that's for sure
scottsee
02-06-2006, 07:07 PM
I love talking about turbos. Would probably talk about them all day with people if I could, but it all fall's into what you want out of your car. And you know that. What do you want to spend & do you want an internal WG?
tsiskeetskeet
02-06-2006, 08:51 PM
I really don't want that much more horse, I just want a little something more so I don't blow it again. Here's a list of my mods:
Intake tube with K&N air filter
3"turbo back exhaust
Boost controller
HKS sequential BOV
Boost, air/fuel ratio, oil pressure gauges
ACT 2100 clutch
So i guess dishing out another 200 bucks would be worth it
Intake tube with K&N air filter
3"turbo back exhaust
Boost controller
HKS sequential BOV
Boost, air/fuel ratio, oil pressure gauges
ACT 2100 clutch
So i guess dishing out another 200 bucks would be worth it
TheRomer
02-06-2006, 09:42 PM
yea i def wount go with an ebay turbo personally. i like www.slowboyracing.com for their turbos. they have many kinds of turbos for a resonable price, and you know ur gonna get a good turbo. like they all said depends on what you are looking for. most will just go with a 16g turbo... sbr has a good kit for the 2g for only $1000.
scottsee
02-06-2006, 09:47 PM
See if you can't get a 14b for $100 shipped. It's logical for what your wanting to spend, and is a really good turbo! All you'll need is the J-pipe and oil line. You can file the return line, swap the water lines, bend them a smidge and your golden. Pick up a Carbide bit and port your manifold and o2 while your at it. All for under $150. Fun stuff.
tsiskeetskeet
02-06-2006, 10:33 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mitsubishi-turbo-Evo-3-big-16g-DSM-Eclipse-Talon-new_W0QQitemZ8035597136QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the same turbo they're selling on SBR? If not, has anyone heard anything good/bad about this company/turbo?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the same turbo they're selling on SBR? If not, has anyone heard anything good/bad about this company/turbo?
MexRocket
02-06-2006, 11:15 PM
Meh.... Its all up 2 you... but like everyone said get it from a reputable place... There is one good ebay turbo store, Turbochargers.com..
tsiskeetskeet
02-06-2006, 11:44 PM
yeah, that's the one that that turbo is from...
wanaplay134
02-06-2006, 11:50 PM
i got the mhi evo 3 16g from slowboy ported inlet and outlet for 643 on sale with all the supporting mods its a neck snapper thats all i got to say
DragonofBC
02-07-2006, 09:30 AM
i got the mhi evo 3 16g from slowboy ported inlet and outlet for 643 on sale with all the supporting mods its a neck snapper thats all i got to say
To add on to that, I got the flapper upgrade, an SS oil line, all gaskets for a turbo swap (exhaust to manifold, O2, j-pipe) and everything overnighted to me for about $800
To add on to that, I got the flapper upgrade, an SS oil line, all gaskets for a turbo swap (exhaust to manifold, O2, j-pipe) and everything overnighted to me for about $800
tsiskeetskeet
02-07-2006, 10:30 AM
i got the mhi evo 3 16g from slowboy ported inlet and outlet for 643 on sale with all the supporting mods its a neck snapper thats all i got to say
that sounds like a good deal....why would I need a ported inlet and outlet? And where did you find the supporting mods?
that sounds like a good deal....why would I need a ported inlet and outlet? And where did you find the supporting mods?
DragonofBC
02-07-2006, 10:36 AM
that sounds like a good deal....why would I need a ported inlet and outlet? And where did you find the supporting mods?
Porting allows for better flow. You can do it yourself if you feel comfortable and have the right tools. I think there is a VFAQ on it (www.vfaq.com). To max out the turbo, you will eventually have to port it so it is best to do before putting it on.
Supporting mods usually come from a variety of places depending on the type of mod. It also depends on what you are trying to support. I run the EVO16g and very low boost levels just fine with zero knock. Let us know what you want to get out of it, and we can all make suggestions on how to get there. Run some searches first though because there is a TON of stuff on AF about the EVO16g turbo and supporting mods.
To generate the most power, you are looking at intake, exhaust, boost control, fuel, and engine management mods to be very general.
Porting allows for better flow. You can do it yourself if you feel comfortable and have the right tools. I think there is a VFAQ on it (www.vfaq.com). To max out the turbo, you will eventually have to port it so it is best to do before putting it on.
Supporting mods usually come from a variety of places depending on the type of mod. It also depends on what you are trying to support. I run the EVO16g and very low boost levels just fine with zero knock. Let us know what you want to get out of it, and we can all make suggestions on how to get there. Run some searches first though because there is a TON of stuff on AF about the EVO16g turbo and supporting mods.
To generate the most power, you are looking at intake, exhaust, boost control, fuel, and engine management mods to be very general.
tsiskeetskeet
02-07-2006, 01:08 PM
I've been shopping around and searching all morning and I think I'm going to go with the MHI EVO III 16G off of SBR. I already have intake, exhaust, boost controller, and boost gauge. I know I'm going to need the 2g install kit. I will probably need an upgraded fuel pump, but what about injectors? The stock ones on my talon are 450cc I believe. Is it really needed to upgrade the injectors also?
I don't want to spend over 1000 all together for this, so I was thinking if the MHI EVO III 16G and everything that comes with it exceeds 1000, then maybe I would go with the small 16g. It says on SBR that it's a direct bolt on. Does this mean I don't need the 2g kit or what?!
p.s. Thanks for all your input my fellow dsm'ers!
I don't want to spend over 1000 all together for this, so I was thinking if the MHI EVO III 16G and everything that comes with it exceeds 1000, then maybe I would go with the small 16g. It says on SBR that it's a direct bolt on. Does this mean I don't need the 2g kit or what?!
p.s. Thanks for all your input my fellow dsm'ers!
scottsee
02-07-2006, 01:40 PM
SBR turbos are $$. yes you will need a 2g kit.
Go over and look at English Raceing. It's our local DSM shop, awsome guy, exta fair deals. These are real deals too, not some bullshit over marked up price becasue they can. I beleve the MITSU Evo 3 16g is $529. Compare that to SBR $569
https://englishracing.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=108_22_27
Go over and look at English Raceing. It's our local DSM shop, awsome guy, exta fair deals. These are real deals too, not some bullshit over marked up price becasue they can. I beleve the MITSU Evo 3 16g is $529. Compare that to SBR $569
https://englishracing.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=108_22_27
DragonofBC
02-07-2006, 02:34 PM
I've been shopping around and searching all morning and I think I'm going to go with the MHI EVO III 16G off of SBR. I already have intake, exhaust, boost controller, and boost gauge. I know I'm going to need the 2g install kit. I will probably need an upgraded fuel pump, but what about injectors? The stock ones on my talon are 450cc I believe. Is it really needed to upgrade the injectors also?
I don't want to spend over 1000 all together for this, so I was thinking if the MHI EVO III 16G and everything that comes with it exceeds 1000, then maybe I would go with the small 16g. It says on SBR that it's a direct bolt on. Does this mean I don't need the 2g kit or what?!
p.s. Thanks for all your input my fellow dsm'ers!
No 16g variant will bolt on directly to a 2g. That being said, get the EVO16g. The only things you really need are the SS oil line, gaskets and J-pipe. The T-25 waterlines, and oil return (with some modification) will be fine. It'll save a few bucks.
It sounds like you have a good start already as far as mods go. You don't need an upgraded fuel pump right away but you will want to get it soon. It's best to be safe and rewire your stock pump until you get a 190 or 255. The stock injectors will be fine for now. I'd say, if you do the rewire, you'll be able to safely push 14 psi. I'm at about 12 and it's a little bit more juicy than stock. 14 should be noticable.
You can do it in bits but don't get excited right away and crank the boost. No reason you'd have to drop more than $1000 in one sitting.
I don't want to spend over 1000 all together for this, so I was thinking if the MHI EVO III 16G and everything that comes with it exceeds 1000, then maybe I would go with the small 16g. It says on SBR that it's a direct bolt on. Does this mean I don't need the 2g kit or what?!
p.s. Thanks for all your input my fellow dsm'ers!
No 16g variant will bolt on directly to a 2g. That being said, get the EVO16g. The only things you really need are the SS oil line, gaskets and J-pipe. The T-25 waterlines, and oil return (with some modification) will be fine. It'll save a few bucks.
It sounds like you have a good start already as far as mods go. You don't need an upgraded fuel pump right away but you will want to get it soon. It's best to be safe and rewire your stock pump until you get a 190 or 255. The stock injectors will be fine for now. I'd say, if you do the rewire, you'll be able to safely push 14 psi. I'm at about 12 and it's a little bit more juicy than stock. 14 should be noticable.
You can do it in bits but don't get excited right away and crank the boost. No reason you'd have to drop more than $1000 in one sitting.
clipsekid99
02-07-2006, 02:39 PM
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16296&cat=426&page=1 evo 3 for $529 shipped.
tsiskeetskeet
02-08-2006, 03:42 PM
OK, so I decided to spend some $$...I bought the mhi evo 3 16g from SBR with the inlet and outlet turbine ported and also a walbro 255 fuel pump...it should come in saturday and I'll try to get it put in the following week...I'll let yall know how it is...thanks for all you're input!
DragonofBC
02-08-2006, 03:55 PM
OK, so I decided to spend some $$...I bought the mhi evo 3 16g from SBR with the inlet and outlet turbine ported and also a walbro 255 fuel pump...it should come in saturday and I'll try to get it put in the following week...I'll let yall know how it is...thanks for all you're input!
Sweet pick-up. Make sure you get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator if you are going with the 255. You'll run the car really rich and have problems if you don't.
I went with the 190 because it will flow just under what the EVO16g requires at it's maximum output when rewired. I figure I will probably never do everything required to max out a EVO16g (cams, excellent tuning, etc..) so the pump will cover all of my needs and I can save some $$ not buying the AFPR. I've also read a discussion about a rewired 190 with larger fuel lines being able to fully support an EVO16g. Don't remember where I read it though...
I don't want you to second guess your purchase but I want to make sure you know that you need to get the APFR too.
Sweet pick-up. Make sure you get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator if you are going with the 255. You'll run the car really rich and have problems if you don't.
I went with the 190 because it will flow just under what the EVO16g requires at it's maximum output when rewired. I figure I will probably never do everything required to max out a EVO16g (cams, excellent tuning, etc..) so the pump will cover all of my needs and I can save some $$ not buying the AFPR. I've also read a discussion about a rewired 190 with larger fuel lines being able to fully support an EVO16g. Don't remember where I read it though...
I don't want you to second guess your purchase but I want to make sure you know that you need to get the APFR too.
tsiskeetskeet
02-09-2006, 12:49 AM
Sweet pick-up. Make sure you get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator if you are going with the 255. You'll run the car really rich and have problems if you don't.
I went with the 190 because it will flow just under what the EVO16g requires at it's maximum output when rewired. I figure I will probably never do everything required to max out a EVO16g (cams, excellent tuning, etc..) so the pump will cover all of my needs and I can save some $$ not buying the AFPR. I've also read a discussion about a rewired 190 with larger fuel lines being able to fully support an EVO16g. Don't remember where I read it though...
I don't want you to second guess your purchase but I want to make sure you know that you need to get the APFR too.
Yeah, I can always call up SBR 2maro and change it cuz they wont send it out til 2maro afternoon...if you happen to remember where that discussion was, post it please, it would be greatly appreciated, but I'll probally be up all night looking for it...
I went with the 190 because it will flow just under what the EVO16g requires at it's maximum output when rewired. I figure I will probably never do everything required to max out a EVO16g (cams, excellent tuning, etc..) so the pump will cover all of my needs and I can save some $$ not buying the AFPR. I've also read a discussion about a rewired 190 with larger fuel lines being able to fully support an EVO16g. Don't remember where I read it though...
I don't want you to second guess your purchase but I want to make sure you know that you need to get the APFR too.
Yeah, I can always call up SBR 2maro and change it cuz they wont send it out til 2maro afternoon...if you happen to remember where that discussion was, post it please, it would be greatly appreciated, but I'll probally be up all night looking for it...
crunchymilk55
02-09-2006, 01:50 AM
Definitely need the FPR. Some people will tell you there car was running fine without it, but the car was definitely having problems.
DragonofBC
02-09-2006, 07:13 AM
Yeah, I can always call up SBR 2maro and change it cuz they wont send it out til 2maro afternoon...if you happen to remember where that discussion was, post it please, it would be greatly appreciated, but I'll probally be up all night looking for it...
It was on DSMTuners. When I get to work today, I'll try doing some searches. I remember being torn between 190 and 255 but that discussion made me 100% confident in the 190.
*Edit: Not the link I was looking for, but should help with the piece of mind going with a 190.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206887&highlight=190+fuel+lines
It was on DSMTuners. When I get to work today, I'll try doing some searches. I remember being torn between 190 and 255 but that discussion made me 100% confident in the 190.
*Edit: Not the link I was looking for, but should help with the piece of mind going with a 190.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206887&highlight=190+fuel+lines
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