99 Astro Van check engine light but no code
strunch
02-01-2006, 07:11 PM
My 99 astro van won’t start after sitting a few days. It happened about a month ago too. Both times I didn't have very much gas in the tank and the weather was around freezing and raining. Last month I eventually got it started by jumping and cranking if for about three hours. It smelled flooded.
It's a 4.3L fuel injection engine. This time after trying to jump it, it just won't start..kinda feels like it wants too. It diesels a little after each attempt.
When the key is in the on position the service engine soon light is on and the check gauges light is on. I did a scan (with my battery almost dead) and it said the scan was successful but no trouble code found and said the MIL indicator was off?
Could it be my battery just needs to be charged or replaced?
Why is the check engine light on but no error code when scanned?
Should I try a scan with a fully charged battery?
Thanks for any help.
Smokey
It's a 4.3L fuel injection engine. This time after trying to jump it, it just won't start..kinda feels like it wants too. It diesels a little after each attempt.
When the key is in the on position the service engine soon light is on and the check gauges light is on. I did a scan (with my battery almost dead) and it said the scan was successful but no trouble code found and said the MIL indicator was off?
Could it be my battery just needs to be charged or replaced?
Why is the check engine light on but no error code when scanned?
Should I try a scan with a fully charged battery?
Thanks for any help.
Smokey
maxwedge
02-01-2006, 07:49 PM
Get the battery up to par and check fuel pressure, if it is TBI 10-13 ,if it is vortech, CFPI 60-65.
strunch
02-01-2006, 08:01 PM
thanks for the tip..i will do that. I just replaced the pump six months ago.
wouldn't it show an error code for low fuel pressure?..
maybe I'll try replacing the fuel filter.
wouldn't it show an error code for low fuel pressure?..
maybe I'll try replacing the fuel filter.
sreve
02-01-2006, 08:56 PM
low fuel pressure will not set a low fuel press. code. generic code readers do not always report manufactors codes. a check eng light w\o the eng running sounds like a good sign . do you have good spark? will it run on ether? what is the fuel pressure? b.t.w. running it low on fuel is real hard on fuel pumps
strunch
02-01-2006, 09:25 PM
i think your right about running it low on fuel being bad for the pump...perhaps the fuel filter gets more clogged that way too. I think last time i got it started my friend sprayed some ether in the air filter and it helped to get it started.
"a check eng light w\o the eng running sounds like a good sign"
I guess I'm being dumb...are all the warning lights supposed to be on when the key is in the on position?
also the last few weeks the service engine light would come on once in a while...could low fuel pressure be a possible reason?
Thanks.
Smokey
"a check eng light w\o the eng running sounds like a good sign"
I guess I'm being dumb...are all the warning lights supposed to be on when the key is in the on position?
also the last few weeks the service engine light would come on once in a while...could low fuel pressure be a possible reason?
Thanks.
Smokey
strunch
02-02-2006, 08:21 PM
bought a new battery...used hairdryer on ignition coil,sprayed ether in air intake and only makes a loud popping sound...taking a beer break.
xtreme barton
02-03-2006, 01:38 AM
beer break might not be a good thing ... :)
second do you have any heat ? and can you go get some gas with a gas can/s to fill it up more ?
second do you have any heat ? and can you go get some gas with a gas can/s to fill it up more ?
strunch
02-04-2006, 02:26 PM
put more gas in and replaced fuel filter...still doesn't start.
xtreme barton
02-04-2006, 04:10 PM
fuel pressure check and a complete spark check test ..
strunch
02-04-2006, 05:07 PM
there is a spark from the coil to the distributor. I can't figure out how to access the spark plugs. I'll go buy a pressure guage to test the fuel pressure.
xtreme barton
02-06-2006, 10:40 PM
do you know what pressure you should be at ?
also yor spark plugs shouldnt be hard to get at... i highly doubt they are bad but you need to make sure all wires are shooting sparks..
also yor spark plugs shouldnt be hard to get at... i highly doubt they are bad but you need to make sure all wires are shooting sparks..
strunch
02-07-2006, 06:00 PM
i took the ignition coil out and did the ohm checks listed in repair manual. The coil passed all tests. So I hooked it back up and took one of my front wheels off to access the spark plugs. I took out one plug and hooked it back up to the wire and then cranked the engine....the spark plug didn't spark! I double checked that the wire from the coil to the distributor is sparking...it is.
Thats where im at now. Haven't checked fuel pressure yet.
Just realized that to test the plug like that i should ground it. I turned it over again with the spark plug grounded and it does spark.
Thats where im at now. Haven't checked fuel pressure yet.
Just realized that to test the plug like that i should ground it. I turned it over again with the spark plug grounded and it does spark.
corning_d3
02-08-2006, 02:58 AM
The check engine light will illuminate when the key is turned to the on position. This way it lets you know its working. Unplug the coil and remove the dist. cap. Have someone crank the engine and watch the rotor under the cap and make sure its turning. If it isn't the timing chain, timing gears, cam or dist. shaft may have broke. If it turns, then the culprit is usually a bad cap or rotor.
strunch
02-08-2006, 05:10 PM
went out to take the cap off and check the rotor but i decided to try to turn it over first for the heck of it. It started?! I turned it off and put the one plug I had out back in. I put back the air intake assembly and reconnected the air flow electric connections. I drove it to a gas station and filled up the tank. I took it to a auto parts store and did a scan. It came back PO 102 mass or volume air flow -cirucit low input. I figure the code is there because when i started the engine the electric plugs going to the air intake were not plugged in? I assume to clear or test the code i remove negative battery cable and reattach?
Don't know why it happened in the first place..seems like the engine was flooded and it just took time to dry out...or perhaps since the fuel level was so low perhaps water got in the gas somehow from condensation? Im glad I don't have to buy yet another fuel pump..im not letting it get below a quarter tank from now on.
How do you tune up these new fangled machines anyway? I can't adjust the timing on a 99 correct? What can I do if I want to do a complete tune up?
Thanks for everyones help.
Don't know why it happened in the first place..seems like the engine was flooded and it just took time to dry out...or perhaps since the fuel level was so low perhaps water got in the gas somehow from condensation? Im glad I don't have to buy yet another fuel pump..im not letting it get below a quarter tank from now on.
How do you tune up these new fangled machines anyway? I can't adjust the timing on a 99 correct? What can I do if I want to do a complete tune up?
Thanks for everyones help.
jackastro
02-08-2006, 10:18 PM
If it wont start again don't be afraid to hold the pedal to the floor. Let it go as soon as it fires. You should add some isopropal (drygas) to each fill up.
strunch
02-09-2006, 03:18 AM
yeah..i will use dry gas...thanks for that.
I like how my repair manual tells me how to test my MAF sensor...
it says to hit it with a screwdriver...i like that...that is one high tech instrument i do own.. a screwdriver.
I like how my repair manual tells me how to test my MAF sensor...
it says to hit it with a screwdriver...i like that...that is one high tech instrument i do own.. a screwdriver.
xtreme barton
02-09-2006, 09:45 AM
.. I like how my repair manual tells me how to test my MAF sensor...
it says to hit it with a screwdriver...i like that...that is one high tech instrument i do own.. a screwdriver.
hahahahahahah that is pretyy funny
it says to hit it with a screwdriver...i like that...that is one high tech instrument i do own.. a screwdriver.
hahahahahahah that is pretyy funny
strunch
03-09-2006, 09:04 AM
My van is doing it again! ...it hasn't started for a week now but this time the tank is full of gas and i put heet in it...maybe i will take the distributer cap off and look for moisture? Again, it happened when the temp was around 32 and when it is raining out or foggy and it sits for a few days.
old_master
03-09-2006, 10:06 PM
A tune up consists of AC Delco double platinum or iridium spark plugs; don't waste your money on anything else! Spark plug wires, distributor cap and rotor, fuel filter and air filter. Get good quality parts and do the job once! There are no adjustments to timing or idle speeds; they are done by the computer. In post #12 of this thread, you had spark at the coil but not at the plug. That indicates a problem with the cap, rotor or wires. Replace them all.
The P0102 code was set from starting the engine with the mass air flow sensor disconnected. After connecting it, the SES light should go out by itself, provided there are no other problems in the system. NOTE: To retrieve trouble codes, clear trouble codes, and/or turn the SES light off, all require an OBDII scanner.
The P0102 code was set from starting the engine with the mass air flow sensor disconnected. After connecting it, the SES light should go out by itself, provided there are no other problems in the system. NOTE: To retrieve trouble codes, clear trouble codes, and/or turn the SES light off, all require an OBDII scanner.
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