SRT4 or Eclipse GT

A friend of mine has the new Eclipse GT's, I doesn't think that a SRT-4 would put up any challenge to him, what do you guys think?

i think you underestimate how fast srt-4's are. those eclipses may make 260hp but they weigh like 3500lbs. the eclipses are no slouch and i think it'd be a good race, but i wouldn't be surprised if the SRT won though.

i think you underestimate how fast srt-4's are. those eclipses may make 260hp but they weigh like 3500lbs. the eclipses are no slouch and i think it'd be a good race, but i wouldn't be surprised if the SRT won though.

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best time i've seen for an eclipse 0-60 5.8 1/4 14.4

srt = teh win (with good driver)

best time i've seen for an eclipse 0-60 5.8 1/4 14.4

srt = teh win (with good driver)

Wow, I didn't think the Eclipses were even that fast. The SRT-4 with anyone who knows how to drive at all will win.

Die "Who Will Win Thread" Die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Assuming both stock, SRT4 wins.

close race but SRT 4 for the win.

i really like the new eclipse gt's but i think the cheaper one's look like shit....anyways i actually read those exact times on an eclipse too around mid 14's stock 1320. and on the same site i read a bone stock '04 srt4 runs a 13'9-14'1 and idk if anyone knows but the '04 are actually faster than the '03's ('03 srt4 - 215hp, '04 srt - 225hp) so always ask if someone is talkin about there srt if its an '03 just lettin yall know so u can keep that in mind.

the difference is barely 15whp. but yes the 04's are faster. i've been seeing the new eclipse run mid 14's too but when i first saw them tested, they were running low 14's. just like the SRT-4 it depends on the driver cause i saw alot of 04s including the ACR package running 14.5-14.6 atleast 3 times in mags too.

Thanks, I was just wondering because my friend is one of those guys who act like their car is the fastest around... and its stock. And he's always talkin sh!t because I like srt-4's.

i really like the new eclipse gt's but i think the cheaper one's look like shit....anyways i actually read those exact times on an eclipse too around mid 14's stock 1320. and on the same site i read a bone stock '04 srt4 runs a 13'9-14'1 and idk if anyone knows but the '04 are actually faster than the '03's ('03 srt4 - 215hp, '04 srt - 225hp) so always ask if someone is talkin about there srt if its an '03 just lettin yall know so u can keep that in mind.

I believe the '04+ have LSD too.

driver race...


AND DIE THREAD DIE

if they eclipse was lighter and rwd, it would be alot more competitive, but its not.
Didnt they have a ralliart version at an auto show recently? turbo and awd? i dunno if they are any plans for production, but its probably 4k pounds

if somehow u can find a combination of a good driver and a stock srt4 then the srt4 should win.but those things are so hard to launch. they are lighter and put out the same whp and more tq.

if they eclipse was lighter and rwd, it would be alot more competitive, but its not.
Didnt they have a ralliart version at an auto show recently? turbo and awd? i dunno if they are any plans for production, but its probably 4k pounds

I think it is the prototype for the evo X, even though right now its the ralliart edition

i really like the new eclipse gt's but i think the cheaper one's look like shit....anyways i actually read those exact times on an eclipse too around mid 14's stock 1320. and on the same site i read a bone stock '04 srt4 runs a 13'9-14'1 and idk if anyone knows but the '04 are actually faster than the '03's ('03 srt4 - 215hp, '04 srt - 225hp) so always ask if someone is talkin about there srt if its an '03 just lettin yall know so u can keep that in mind.

Weren't the SRT's underrated in HP. I thought I heard they were actually putting out like 240-245 at the crank.

if somehow u can find a combination of a good driver and a stock srt4

Im Right Here Buddy!

I think it is the prototype for the evo X

how so?? evo x will still be boosted 4 cylin. no? i like the evo if only it was 2 dr.
http://www.autorevue.cz/obrazky/2005/09zari/concx/01.jpg

and i've seen one of the new eclipse gt, still had the dealership plates on, looked like mid 20s guy was having fun in it cutting people off, but somehow those new eclipse doesn't turn me on......

No, im almost positive it was a Ralliart eclipse, ill try and find pics in the morning

it was a Ralliart eclipse

Do you mean this?? It's an all wheel drive Eclipse with a 400 hp tuned 4G63 rockin a Rockford Fosgate sound system. Mitsu debuted this car at SEMA not too long ago. I doubt they will sell it anytime soon though, as it would just kill the Evo sales.

http://cars.ign.com/articles/675/675906p1.html

I'd post just the pic but i dont know how to... so heres the link.

Do you mean this?? It's an all wheel drive Eclipse with a 400 hp tuned 4G63 rockin a Rockford Fosgate sound system. Mitsu debuted this car at SEMA not too long ago. I doubt they will sell it anytime soon though, as it would just kill the Evo sales.
I don't think it would. If they did make it, it would probably weigh like 4000 lbs and cost $8000 more then the EVO. I think if Mitsubishi made this car there problem wouldn’t be bad EVO sales, there problem would be trying to sell it. I think the Ralliart version would just magnify the problems with the version that’s out now.

Maybe it’s just me, but a 4000 lbs $35000 Eclipse doesn’t appeal to me.

I see your point, for that much money an Eclipse isn't really on my list of cars to buy. But same engine, same tranny, same AWD, the evo and eclipse would have a lot of similarities, but the 4 door sedan and sport coupe would prolly be enough not to compete too much against each other.

By the way how much did the 2nd gen GSX cost brand new??

if they eclipse was lighter and rwd, it would be alot more competitive, but its not.
Didnt they have a ralliart version at an auto show recently? turbo and awd? i dunno if they are any plans for production, but its probably 4k pounds

speaking of which I just went to the LA auto show like two weeks ago and the ralliart version had a 4g63 in it...........check this pics out from the show........http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/209srt/2006eclipseside.jpgI have tons of pics at the auto show....including the new camaro and alot of bad as concepts that might be in production..........sorry for the thread jack..........oh yeah the srt > eclipse gt of course and plus the eclipse gets real crappy gas milage anyways...:lol:

whoops sorry hears another one.......check out the intercooler..........tight
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/209srt/2006eclipse.jpg

yeah thats the one i was talking about, it would be pretty sweet if it didnt weigh as much as a semi

yeah thats the one i was talking about, it would be pretty sweet if it didnt weigh as much as a semi
That’s the thing if Mitsubishi can make a 400 hp version of the EVO engine it would make more sense to just put it in the lighter EVO then the heavy-ass Eclipse.

All Mitsubishi needed to do to make a good Eclipse was take the Lancer lighten it by taking off 2-door and put a cool body on it. Instead they base the thing on the Galant, I don’t get it.

Wow, the Raliart Eclipse...welcome to June of '05...

they were saying something about discontinuing the evo line and continue the eclipse line..........but I dont know............I like the evo better........but price wise I think thats the whole issue with mitsu.........

how so?? evo x will still be boosted 4 cylin. no? i like the evo if only it was 2 dr

i think the whole point of the EVO is AWD turbo on a 4 Door platform :banghead:

that is the way it has been for 7 incarnations over in japan and what...2-3 over here

the evo has been 4 doors since the evo 1. we are currently at evo 9. and the evo must run on a 4 cylinder that has a max displacement of 2 liters becasue thats the regulations for the world rally championships.

Explain to me why the eclipse is so heavy? I mean really what was Mitsubishi thinking? And why would an AWD ruin the sales of the rest of the eclipse? Did the old GSX stop people from buying the GS or RS? Does the GT mustang stop people from buying the v6 mustang? So that being said I think it would still sell.


By the way, Yea I too wish the EVOX was smaller and two door, but it looks pretty bad ass IMO :smokin:

^^^I dont know why they are so heavy.....its probably just plat form based..
but the price is the reason why people buy different models......and personal preference.....

just look at it man..it looks fat and has an iron block.. its a porker.

Who cares anyways. I just cant wait till the R32 Skyline hits 20 and we can start importing those... Kind of random I know

man,

how come srt-4 run high 13s or low 14s????? LT1 trans am runs like that.


also, l just killed one eclipse baaaddlly on the highyway yesterday with my LT1 formula..

^^^^^ one word............BOOST......hahaha

^^^^^ one word............BOOST......hahaha


oh yeah, with boost.. :iagree: then

Explain to me why the eclipse is so heavy? I mean really what was Mitsubishi thinking?
The reason it’s so heavy is it’s basically a short version of the Galant with a cool body. As for why Mitsubishi decided to base the Eclipse on the mid-size Galant instead of the compact Lancer, only thing I can come up with is that Mitsubishi is completely out of touch with the sport compact market.

You know all the “the Eclipse is Japanese” advertizing Mitsubishi is running is funny because all the good Eclipses were made back when they were still working with Chrysler.

^^^^^ yup diamond star motors and chrysler were a good team....

Who cares anyways. I just cant wait till the R32 Skyline hits 20 and we can start importing those... Kind of random I know

You wont get a GT-R for 20 but you'll get a GT-s for 18k

Who cares anyways. I just cant wait till the R32 Skyline hits 20 and we can start importing those... Kind of random I know

You wont get a GT-R for 20 but you'll get a GT-s for 18k

why dont you guys just buy the upcoming infinite version in the next couple yrs

I think he meant years not 20k

HAHAHAHAHA ha this is so funny why dont u actually find someone with a Eclipse GT and ask them. I have one, and I love imports but iam old school muscle and that this car feels like pure muscle. I have raced my car vs 350z, 3g eclipse with turbo,civics with turbo,and a SRT 4. Yes i have to say the SRT 4 is fast but with no clutch triptronic I accelerate much quiker and i completly burn him and i can tell u this running my car at 130+ it's stable extremly stable. I have never driven a car at high speed and it not radle alittle. It might be heavyer but i know other import car i have driven can get up there but is a B***h to handle. I wouldnt be surpriced once I twin turbo, AWD my car in the next 2 months, It handle upper 160's with eas. It's the funnest car i have ever driven, the bads is its not the greatest turning compaired to more nimble imports. I will say this in a strait to street race the eclipse GT will win, unless the driver s**ks. Yes i like SRT 4 i have driven one but if it was two experiance drivers and just cars i think the GT will when. I have already raced it I dont know if it was a driver error on the SRT 4 part but i accelrated alot faster than him up to 45 on 1st gear then swith at 6.5 rpm perfect shif in a eclipse GT is a boost of power u feel it. I think people under estimate the new eclipse because of its weight but the Mivec puts Out ALOT. I cant wait to see the dyno after twin turbo. =) ANd yes both car were stock. ALso still looking for a couple more sponsors.

Your automatic eclipse did not beat an SRT-4. Go drink bleach, and once again..read the damned sticky that says no who will win threads! I'm suprised this thing got to four pages...IBL.

You wont get a GT-R for 20 but you'll get a GT-s for 18k
this place has them here for anywere from $10,000US to $20,000US and shipping to the states is only $1,200. most of the GTS' are even cheaper and don't forget the silvia's.

http://www.batfa.com/usedcar-nissan-skyline-stock.htm i'd give my right nut for a 95 GTR.



and GT456SEAn i gotta call BS dude.

I highly doubt the new eclipse feels like "old school muscle". Maybe as heavy, but powerwise.... :grinno:

You wont get a GT-R for 20 but you'll get a GT-s for 18k


I meant years. And I was talking about the R32... the best sky IMO. They really aren’t that expensive. We just got to wait for them to hit classic status so we can import them with out having to conform them to US standards.

HAHAHAHAHA ha this is so funny why dont u actually find someone with a Eclipse GT and ask them. I have one, and I love imports but iam old school muscle and that this car feels like pure muscle. I have raced my car vs 350z, 3g eclipse with turbo,civics with turbo,and a SRT 4. Yes i have to say the SRT 4 is fast but with no clutch triptronic I accelerate much quiker and i completly burn him and i can tell u this running my car at 130+ it's stable extremly stable. I have never driven a car at high speed and it not radle alittle. It might be heavyer but i know other import car i have driven can get up there but is a B***h to handle. I wouldnt be surpriced once I twin turbo, AWD my car in the next 2 months, It handle upper 160's with eas. It's the funnest car i have ever driven, the bads is its not the greatest turning compaired to more nimble imports. I will say this in a strait to street race the eclipse GT will win, unless the driver s**ks. Yes i like SRT 4 i have driven one but if it was two experiance drivers and just cars i think the GT will when. I have already raced it I dont know if it was a driver error on the SRT 4 part but i accelrated alot faster than him up to 45 on 1st gear then swith at 6.5 rpm perfect shif in a eclipse GT is a boost of power u feel it. I think people under estimate the new eclipse because of its weight but the Mivec puts Out ALOT. I cant wait to see the dyno after twin turbo. =) ANd yes both car were stock. ALso still looking for a couple more sponsors.


pure muscle? no. 265 hp and fwd is hardly old school muscle
stock 350z's and stock srt-4's are faster
you arent gonna burn an srt-4 with tiptronic
im sure the conversion to awd will be a piece of cake for you, so will the twin turbo
even if u somehow do that, watch the weight balloon to a semi.
who would sponsor you?

who would sponsor you?

Probably get sued by Raliart, if that counts as a sponsor.

Also, i dont think awd conversion even exist right now for the new eclipse.

This is what you need for a 2g eclipse conversion to awd

2G DSM AWD Conversion

Before we being, there are several things to be noted about this drivetrain swap.

# It is not technically very difficult, but requires a lot of labor
# There is cutting and welding that must be done to the vehicle
# There is some wiring that will need to be fabricated

If you are not completely comfortable doing all of the above, you should not attempt this swap as some processes will be difficult to reverse. That aside, if you are confident in your ability to perform this modification, lets move on to what AWD parts you need. I decided to split this up into what you ABSOLUTELY must have and what parts make the job much easier.

Required AWD Parts
# Transmission
# Transfer case
# Front axles
# Drive shaft
# Exhaust
# Fuel tank and shield
# Rear subframe
# Rear axles
# Rear differential
# Swaybar
# Rear knuckles
# E-brake cables
# AWD Flywheel

Recommended AWD Parts (In addition to the above)
# AWD fuel tank connectors
# AWD subframe rear bolts
# AWD drive shaft and exhaust brackets (spot welded in the tunnel)
# Entire AWD rear suspension assembly (all control arms)



STARTING THE SWAP

All the custom work for the entire swap can be done in the following steps:
# Installing the gas tank
# Installing the rear suspension
# Installing the driveshaft and exhaust


Dissassembly of FWD
Assuming you have all the parts you need, we'll move onto the first step of the AWD conversion. Fortunately it's simple, the entire rear FWD suspension assembly must be taken out of the car. To save time, I took everything out as one whole piece. The e-brake cables have to be disconnected from the parking brake handle inside the car. You'll have to pull up the carpet to remove a couple bolts that hold the cables to the car, both inside and underneath. With those bolts out, you can pry the cables out of the car. This is a real pain so take your time.
FWD up in the air with the wheels removed
Once the cables are disconnected, unbolt the upper control arms and trailing arms from the frame. You need to pull the rubber plug out of the body to remove the large bolt holding the trailing arm. Next, disconnect the brakes lines. Now support the rear assembly with jacks and remove the four bolts holding the subframe to the car. (Note: If your car has ABS, you will need to unplug the ABS sensors on the top of the subframe to avoid snagging the sensor wires.) At this point, just lower and remove the subframe. Removing the FWD upper control arms and brake lines FWD rear suspension removed from the car

The next task is to remove the FWD gas tank. From inside the car, unplug the fuel pump connector and fuel level sender connector along with all of the fuel lines. Underneath the car, the filler and vent hose must be disconnected. There are several bolts holding in the tank, remove them and lower the tank. Be careful here, if there is gas still in the tank you may end up with it in your face.

Installation of AWD Gas Tank
The stamped FWD fuel tank mounts that must be cut out along witht he studsWith the rear subframe and gas tank gone, the back end of your car should be looking pretty empty. Time to fill all that space with the new AWD components. We'll get started with the AWD gas tank. The AWD gas tank mounts into the car with straps instead of bolting in like the FWD tank. To accommodate for this, the factory FWD tank mounts must be cut out. With the stock mounts removed, new bolts must be placed to support the AWD tank. The holes are already in the sheet metal, bolts just need to be placed in there. (See Figure) I used a holesaw and cut holes from the inside of the car (See Figure) from there I could drop bolts down. I placed a nut on the end of each bolt and tightened them down. (See Figure) This way if I ever have to remove the gas tank, I won't have to pull the carpet up on the inside to put a socket on the bolts. Simple enough. On to the next step!

Existing holes for the AWD fuel tank mounts Where to drill to drop in the rear mount bolts Where to drill to drop in the front mount bolts Using a nut to hold the bolt on, allowing tank to be removed without loosening bolt

6 pin AWD fuel pump connectorBefore the new gas tank can be fitted into the car, we have to build a wiring harness to accommodate the dual sender setup of the AWD tank. The FWD fuel pump connector is two pin and the FWD fuel level sender is three pin. On the AWD tank, the fuel pump connector is six pin (See Figure) and the secondary sender is two pin. What I did was wire the AWD sending units into the existing FWD sender harness. I just cut off the connector and wired them up.

Here are the pinouts:

# On the AWD Passenger Side Fuel Pump/Sender Connector

1. Thick blue/black wire is fuel pump power and is connected to the same wire on the 2 pin FWD fuel pump harness
2. Thick black wire is the fuel pump ground and is connected to the same wire on the 2 pin FWD fuel pump harness
3. Thin yellow/black wire is the sender feed to the second sender and is wired into the yellow/black coming from the other sender
4. Thin black wire is the sender ground and is wired into the ground wire on the FWD 3 pin sender harness
5. Thin yellow wire is the low gas light wire and is wired into the non-yellow wire on the FWD 3 pin sender harness

# On the AWD Driver Side Sender Connector

1. Thin yellow/black wire is connected to the yellow black wire coming from the passenger side sender
2. Thin yellow wire goes to the fuel gauge and is connected to the yellow wire in the FWD 3 pin sender harness



My AWD fuel tank harness plugged into the factory connectorsSorry that there isn't a diagram, but if you print this out and go look at the wires, it will make sense. Having the AWD fuel pump connectors makes this a snap as you simply have to solder the right wires together. Without the connectors, you will have to come up with something or possibly use crimp connectors. With the wiring harness made and the tank mounts dropped in. Lift the tank into place and bolt the support straps down. (Note: The FWD does not have a removable plate over the driver's side AWD sender. I choose not to cut a new one into the body; you may do so if you wish.) Plug up your new wiring harness to both senders, connect all the fuel lines, bolt on the gas tank shield, and you are done. At this point, I put a gallon of gas in the tank and fired the car up to make sure there were no leaks and both the fuel pump and gauge were operating correctly.

Installation of AWD Rear Suspension
The next big step is mounting the AWD subframe. This requires some cutting into the FWD body to put in the required bolts. For the rear bolts see Figure for the location in which to start cutting. I used a Dremel tool with cut off wheels to cut away the layers of metal. Be sure to have a lot of wheels handy as the steel will eat them up quickly. Once you cut away the top sheet metal you will see something like Figure. Cut off the top of the bolt holder to reveal the rear subframe bolt. Push the old FWD bolt out and drop in the new AWD bolt if you have it. If not, you will have to cut away the bolt holder so that the FWD bolt will drop down far enough to attach the thicker AWD subframe.

Same area after sheetmetal cut away and bolt removed Area to cut away to remove FWD rear bolts (before cutting) Length of AWD rear bolt compared to FWD bolt, this is how much lower a FWD bolt will need to hang to if you do not have an AWD bolt

To install the front AWD mounts is a similar process. See Figure for the approximate location to cut into the body. For these mounts I used a holesaw again to cut into the frame. I got a proper length grade 8 bolt and thick fender washer for each side. I dropped the washer down into the frame rail and then fished the bolt through it and out the bottom. (See Figure) With both new bolts installed, but out the old FWD subframe mount (See Figure) and raise the AWD subframe into place. (Note: Be careful when raising the AWD subframe as you may push the mounting bolts back up through the top of the car.) With the AWD subframe supported in position, tighten the mounting bolts to spec. Take a step back and marvel at the progress you've made so far. If you opted not to install the rear diff, axles, and control arms with the subframe (It's far easier to get the subframe in place with all that stuff removed as it weighs considerably less) now is the time to finish installing the rear end of the AWD car. (See Figure)

The bolts I used for the front mounts Area to cut away to drop in the front bolts (before cutting) Area after cutting a hole to drop the bolt through Under the FWD after the AWD bolts have been installed, you can see how short the FWD bolts are (middle), these will need to be cut off

Installation of Driveshaft and Exhaust
By now we have installed the AWD gas tank and rear suspension and drivetrain assembly. Not bad, the only real custom work left is to mount the driveshaft and AWD exhaust. THIS WILL REQUIRE A WELDER. If you have purchased and AWD parts car for this swap (as you should have!) you will need to drill off the two brackets in the tunnel that hold the driveshaft. The rear bracket is right in front of the gas tank (See Figure) and the front bracket is half way up the tunnel towards the front of the car (See Figure) Now, if you didn't get a parts car, you will have to fabricate a bracket to mount in front of the gas tank, but if you look, the FWD has the same mid-tunnel bracket as the AWD. (See Figure) The only difference is that the FWD bracket does not have exhaust hangers or studs to mount the driveshaft. If you can come up with a creative way to add studs and hangers to the existing bracket, you can save yourself some time. For simplicities sake, I chose to drill both brackets off the AWD and weld them on the FWD. (Note: The easiest way to drill of the brackets is to drill out the spot weld with a special spot weld removal drill bit 'See Figure'. I purchased mine from Pelican Parts for about $18 shipped.) Alignment is not a problem. For the mid-tunnel bracket, just weld the AWD one on right over top of the spot that you removed the FWD bracket. For the bracket in the back, it is self locating. It will fit snugly into the tunnel when it is lined up. One last thing is to add a stud to the rear drive shaft bracket in order to completely bolt up one of the AWD exhaust hangers. Adding this stud is not totally necessary as the hanger has two mounting points and one of the studs is already on the FWD (old fuel tank mount) I went ahead and added the other stud to finish the job. The two AWD driveshaft brackets already cut off This is what a spot weld removal drill bit will look like Here you can see the FWD and AWD mid-tunnel brackets side by side, the AWD one has driveshaft studs and exhaust hangers on it Both driveshaft brackets welded on the bottom of the FWD car
Once the brackets are welded on, go ahead and bolt up your driveshaft to the rear differential and the brackets and attach the AWD exhaust. At this point all of the custom work is done. You just need to swap the FWD transmission for the AWD unit along with the appropriate axles, slap on the X-case and go enjoy putting power to all four wheels!

Have fun! :loser:

hmmm looks like a 15 minute job




















( before you realize you should just give up )

Let's get that into some printable cliffnotes for this guy. Judging by his typing skills, he will need them.

Better yet, maybe a "Idiot's guide to AWD conversions" would be in order. :grinyes:

i was thinking a tall glass of drano would do the trick, but bleach doesn't have a brand and would be cheaper.

I'm up for a nice cocktail of the chems under the sink.

i thought that the weird eclipse kid was the only one that would be drinking...

Na, I'll drink too. Of course, I can survive a chemical cocktail. I'm stout like that.

Your automatic eclipse did not beat an SRT-4. Go drink bleach, and once again..read the damned sticky that says no who will win threads! I'm suprised this thing got to four pages...IBL.

well of course...............post whores like me...:grinyes:

Let's get that into some printable cliffnotes for this guy. Judging by his typing skills, he will need them.

Better yet, maybe a "Idiot's guide to AWD conversions" would be in order. :grinyes:

you forgot.....lol.....haha......and.........hehehe... ....:rofl: