Truck Of The Year "Not"

Just wondering what everyones thoughts are about that POS Honda being named "Truck Of The Year" by Motor Trend. I think that it was a bad decision on Motor Trends part. This is kind of like calling the Chevy Aveo the car of the year.

Uhhhh... I don't even consider that a truck, so I dunno wtf they are talking about. Didn't they lump the avalanche in with the SUV's?

I think the avalanche is the best truck on the road now in my opinon its an suv more then a truck you call that a bed???

Basically, if the truck is not made by one of the big 3 (GM, Ford, or Dodge), it is not a truck, IMO (but the ridgeline doesn't even resemble one. That is my opinion, you can agree or not, but that is how I feel.

motor trend, car and driver, and all those other magazines that people read for some reason ALWAYS favor forgien junk! I HATE reading those anymore, they always put down our american made products, if only some of they're familys we're effected by american car sales. Our cars are just as good if not better those piles of shit that profits those idiots over in japan!

I saw the report from car and driver about why they chose it as the best truck. They tried to take it off road, and you can see on the video they broke something. They said it had the smallest bed and I think the lowest payload. But it had a smooth ride and "innovative features" like a tailgate that opened from the side.

To me, it sounds like they are calling it truck of the year for features that are not important for a truck.

By the way, I have seen in an earlier report the two biggest complaints car and driver has with the silverado are no tailgate lock and Swiss army style blinker, windshield wiper, and cruise control lever.

if its a truck, who friggin cares about amenities... nobody actually USES their truck for anything anymore, i hardly ever see a pickup actually hauling anything lol. they are all complaining that the leather doesnt match the turn signal lever and whatnot... go buy a friggin compact, its the same thing for what you need lol... i figure why suffer in mileage for no reason other than to be up high, then again im a hypocrite since i dont really use my truck for hauling, i dont bitch about not having a/c though lol, i treat it like it is meant for... not being pretty lol

Our cars are just as good if not better those piles of shit that profits those idiots over in japan!

truck/SUV issue aside

How many Honda or Toyotas have you owned? Purchased new? Driven for 200,000 miles?

The POS sitting in my driveway has an American brand name on it. Yes my 6 year old Suburban has been pampered but still it has broken down average every 5,000 miles since new. It has only 77,000 miles on it. It has had two water pumps so far. Intake manifold leaked twice so far. Original Delco battery ruptured acid everywhere after 20K for no reason. Had it aligned 5 times before it drove straight. Fuel pump just died at 77K. AC suction port valve (a $2 part) failed and cost $800 to fix. AC compressor is now leaking oil. Should I go on?

My father insisted on buying american. His Celebrity head gaskets blew out at 40K. The tailight assembly literally fell out driving down the freeway. His alternator was replaced - twice. His water pump failed. The power steering rack failed. The headliner came down on him while he was driving and almost caused an accident. We sold that POS for $500 with only 65K on it. I felt guilty for charging so much.

My mom's Cavalier was shot after 50K. Little old lady car. Surprising it didn't kill her.

I owned a Pinto back in high school. Remember those? Exploding Pinto's because the filler tube was so poorly designed that any rear end collision to the left rear would rupture it and led to several deaths. That car lasted me a good 65K.

The Honda Accord that replaced it I drove for 130K before I just got tired of it. It brought me $1800.

My brother in law bought a used Accord and drove it till the odometer read 210K mostly trouble free miles.

Not perfect, just far more reliable.

The Japs beat us so far because they have to. I buy best of breed. In order to survive, the Japs HAD to put in better seals, better rubber hoses, closer tolerances, tighter specs ya da ya. The American companies have exploited the brainwashed but its starting to fall apart on them. They buy the lowest bid. I wish it weren't so.

You think I want to see us loose another industry to a foreign competitor? I hate the fact that the unions have managed to strangle our domestic companies to death. Same thing happened in the UK. How many car companies do they have left? Now its happening in Germany. Their is a growing consensus that the German's have big quality problems. If I can't lower my labor cost because of the damned Union idiots, I have to buy cheaper parts. BTW, Chrysler is a German company....

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, it may be my kid who pays when that Union-built POS dies at 55mph in rush hour traffic. Supporting our domestic manufacturer's inferior quality only keeps them status quo.

Honda...Honda...Hmmmmmm Say, isn't that Japanese for "Ford Sushi"???? Thought so!!! Too bnad I don't have an oil leak anywhere or I'd use that rag to whipe it up.

nobody actually USES their truck for anything anymore

Well, I do; I'm a contractor

Ketch

Lets see I Had 91chevy 225k and dog the sh*t out of it. It had normal promblems waterpump,battery,etc. I also had a 99 2500 4x4 with 167k only promblem was a fuel pump, now just bought an 06 all these truck belong to me. Not my dad or my mom or my babymoma'sbrother'sdaddy'scousin'ssister and the reason your suburban was breaking down is b/c u did baby it. This is not a shitty jap car where have to baby it to make it last. It is a chevy it is made to run and run hard not to park in the garage!!!!!!!!!!:smokin:

Yeah, not to mention my dad had an 84 silverado that he got ~750,00 miles out of it before the engine died. No internal work had ever been done to engine/heads

thats not a truck niether was the el-camino . toyota builds a truck and the only place its built is in indiana. my 2 cents:2cents:

thats not a truck niether was the el-camino . toyota builds a truck and the only place its built is in indiana. my 2 cents:2cents:

No, nobody said the el camino was a truck. It was a car, I don't care who says otherwise. Frankly, I don't care where the Jap trucks are built, they're still built by a Jap auto company. Just like I don't care where Ford, Dodge, and Chevy trucks are built, they're still built by American companies.

And, FYI, Ketch, Chrysler is only part owned by Daimler.

blender wizard, we are on the page . i' m too lazy too type (i'm not good at it)
let me restate this toyoya is the only name plate that is not u.s. that builds a truck. the tundra is only produced in indana. that still speaks volumes about the big 3 and there handle on the domestic truck market.

It is a chevy it is made to run and run hard not to park in the garage!!!!!!!!!!:smokin:

throw enough parts and money at anything and it will run forever. Just piles of trash talk wearing a bow tie and hiding that pos you call a truck. a Chevy runs and runs - like diarrhea!!! lol

as for the guy that said his domestic vehicles all died at under 75k miles, i dont know of anyone else with that problem. My dad sold his 90 silverado with a 350 and a 700r4 a few years ago and had done no work on it, just oil changes and stuff. he never flushed the rearend and had the tranny filter and fluid changed once or twice. It was still running strong at 180 thousand miles. granted it smoked a little at startups in the morning, but other than that, the only other problem was the radio that had to be smacked a few times to turn on lol

Ketch if weedeater engines is what you like than thats you. I think the have a forum for POS cars somewhere:nono:

throw enough parts and money at anything and it will run forever. Just piles of trash talk wearing a bow tie and hiding that pos you call a truck. a Chevy runs and runs - like diarrhea!!! lol

Dude, wtf is your problem? You're pissed off because you bought a dud (I read your posts in the sub/hoe forums), but guess what? ALL auto manufacturers make duds, and you would have been as likely to get one from them as you were from Chevy. So, pack it up and get the hell outta here, because you don't even have a truck.

I looked this up and thought I would present just data. This data is a bit dated, but does give a picture of what has historically been the case with REPORTED problems. Now I'm sure most have seen this data, and will not sway anyone, but it is interesting to see. Now let's be civil.

Consumer Reports 2002 Report

Most Reliable based on reader responses for 1994-2001 vehicles

Small car Toyota Echo
Sporty car Toyota Celica
Sports car Honda S2000
Family car Infiniti G20
Large car Toyota Avalon
Upscale car Infiniti I35
Luxury car Lexus GS300/430
Coupe Acura CL
Small SUV Subaru Forester
Midsized SUV Infiniti QX4 (best overall)
Large SUV Toyota Land Cruiser
Compact pickup Toyota Tacoma
Large pickup Toyota Tundra
Minivan Toyota Sienna

Top Picks

Best car tested BMS 530i
Most fun to drive Subaru Impreza WRX
Family sedan/wagon VW Passat
Small car Honda Civic EX
"Green" car Toyota Prius
Upscale sports sedan BMW 330i
Small SUV Toyota RAV4
Midsized SUV Toyota Highlander
Pickup truck Toyota Tundra
Minivan Honda Odyssey

Most Reliable Manufacturers
U.S. Chrysler Group with 22 problems per hundred vehicles.

European Saab with 14 problems per hundred vehicles

Japanese Toyota and Subaru with 12 per hundred then Honda and Nissan with 14.




J. D. Power Long Term Vehicle Dependability
Top ten car makes based on lowest number of reported problems.
These are car makes, not individual models. 1998 study.

Lexus
Cadillac
Infiniti
Mercedes
Acura
Buick
Lincoln
Toyota
Audi
Oldsmobile

These brands have more problems than the industry average.
Listed in alphabetical order:

Chevrolet Geo Mazda
Chrysler GMC Mitsubishi
Dodge Hyundai Plymouth
Eagle Jeep Pontiac
Ford Land Rover Volkswagen

the tundra is only produced in indana.

Toyota is also building a Tunda mfg plan in San Antonio, Texas.

http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/manufacturing/texas/

Just an FYI.

Just wondering what everyones thoughts are about that POS Honda being named "Truck Of The Year" by Motor Trend. I think that it was a bad decision on Motor Trends part. This is kind of like calling the Chevy Aveo the car of the year.

Who really cares about what Motor Trend says about ANYTHING? It is a boring magazine that selects car of the year in accordance to the amount of payola received IMO. How else could you explain the 1983(?) car of the year, the Renault Alliance? I had one of these for the winter one year, purchased for $100 and it came with parts cars to keep it on the road. It even had the Motor Trend sticker in the rear window. It was in excellent appearing condition, but I soon had to find more parts cars to finish out the winter. What were they thinking? The thing ate trannys, starters, alternators, etc almost daily. Not to mention I felt stupid being seen in it.

As for the foreign vs American made, I don't want to even get into that. I personally drive American, but won't argue the fact that the quality standards are not on par with the Japanese. If we'd ever figure that out, we may be able to keep some of our own plants open and keep ourselves employed...:2cents:

Dude, wtf is your problem? You're pissed off because you bought a dud (I read your posts in the sub/hoe forums), but guess what? ALL auto manufacturers make duds, and you would have been as likely to get one from them as you were from Chevy. So, pack it up and get the hell outta
here, because you don't even have a truck.

DUDE you have serious issues. :screwy: Lose the hate.

Ketch if weedeater engines is what you like than thats you. I think the have a forum for POS cars somewhere:nono:

don't get me started about weedeaters they are junk. Stahl and Echo for me, nothing less. Oh, but Echo is Japanese boo hoo gonna get a bunch of rednecks upset agin! OK, off to the lawn trimmer forum. See ya.

Oh, but Echo is Japanese boo hoo gonna get a bunch of rednecks upset agin!

Man, don't come in here calling people names, you can take yourself right back out of this forum (and please do)

Just wondering what everyones thoughts are about that POS Honda being named "Truck Of The Year" by Motor Trend. I think that it was a bad decision on Motor Trends part. This is kind of like calling the Chevy Aveo the car of the year.

Its Motor Trend - they are not a credible authority on trucks as "we" know and consider them. They are primarily concerned with things like gas milage and comfort, ride quality, and ergonomics. However, the ignorance in dismissing foreign car/truck quality and value and calling them weedeaters and such is exactly what GM, Ford, and Chrysler are counting on you to do...paying top dollar for an inferior product only adds profit to their bottom line. Look at the other forums here. The overall frequency and severity of problems with American made brands is far higher than the foreign vehicles....and many are manufactured right here in the USA.

wow dug up a old thread. Anyways... My only complaint from my old truck was at 250K miles my 88' scottsdale tranny started slipping, and when I reinstalled a new one the speedo didnt work.

Why do all of the Toyota trucks say TURD racing on the side? I didn't even know that was a race. I'm not going to see that.

You guys are funny!!!
I really like Chevy and not just there trucks. I do watch the competitors and they all have something to offer. However the Honda does not make a truck, the Ridgeline is like the El-camino or the Ford Rancho. it doesn't it pass as a 1/2ton. So what ever Motor Trend is smoking.. I want some!!!!

Why do all of the Toyota trucks say TURD racing on the side? I didn't even know that was a race. I'm not going to see that.
TURD - funny, but Toyota Racing Development - http://www.trdusa.com/racing.cfm I have not driven a Tundra or Tacoma but the V8 4runner RUNS STRONG. It would easily eat the chevy v8s of similar displacement.

Its Motor Trend - they are not a credible authority on trucks as "we" know and consider them.

I tend to agree. I would look at "Consumer Reports" as the most credible authority. Though I enjoy reading Motor Trend, I feel that they are more of a features magazine for new cars that have just come out, are coming out, or are in development. Truck Trend might be a better place for truck related info, but they are similar in the way information is presented. Motor Trend's test drives aren't as critical as those of "Consumer Reports", maybe due to the fact that CR is non-profit. In addition, a lot of information in CR is compiled from long-term testing from a large sample of people.

Just my :2cents: .

Sincerely,
Matt

Oh well, before the next decade is out we'll all be driving Chinese made trucks as the domestics will either be out of business (bankrupt or bought out) or they will have outsourced the manufacturing to the Chinese like almost everything else is now-a-days.

Greetings Fellow Truck Enthusiasts,

This thread shows some of the problems our country faces. "Japanese" trucks like Toyota and Nissan are made in Tennesse, Indiana, and just across the border in Canada. Those Toyota Tundras, Nissan Titans, and others are made by American workers and those trucks are very impressive performers by anyone's standards in my opinion.

When I bought my Chevy V.H.O. in 2004, I had been a Ford driver and so I tried numerous brand new Ford F150s. Flat out - The Nissan Titan was much more responsive, smoother, better power, and didn't make the noises the Fords did (I test drove more than a dozen F150s).

In 2007 the Toyota Tundra is a heck of a truck too and its made by American workers with higher expectations.

While the Honda Ridgeline may not fit into a past typical mold of a "truck" - many other "foreign" 1/2 ton trucks do. We should applaud the fact they have higher quality standards, designs, and expectations for the American workers who build them than do our "big 3".

My V.H.O. is a great truck - with its special suspension, heavier transmission, and 6 liter high output motor - it hauls a pile and does it comfortably and with very decent gas mileage (22/23 HWY). But I also recognize that the new Nissan and Toyotas are just as fine a driving experience and they also are build by American workers.

By the way - my Chevy Silverado V.H.O. is built in Canada.

Also by the way - the Nissan Titan was designed and engineered by a woman engineer who worked for GM. GM wouldn't listen to her design ideas so Nissan EAGERLY hired her - and she helped design their Armada, Quest, and the Titan while GM got "kicked" in each of those categories in the same years.

Thats just what I was thinking. It's a womans truck. Must be a oxymoron.

I thought this thread was finally dead but guess not. Design, quality and "INNOVATION". The american big three (Dodge, Ford and Chevy/GMC, sat back and rested on the laurels for far to long). It took Honda, Toyota and Nissan to get the big three off their asses and re-examine their un-godly profitable pickup line and see that to stay in the game if not on top of the game they need to start thinking a little more outside the box. Nissan did it in 2004, with a big roomy cab (only the chevy had a cab as roomy), monster powertrain (still a top dog IMO) and the first to offer the utilitrak tie down system for the bed (wonderful idea). Along comes Honda, while yes I dont exactly consider the Ridgeline a truck (but given the capabilities of most half tons up until the release of the Titan most half tons by some could not be called trucks), my point being, Innovation. I would love to have a tailgate that swings both ways, sometimes you need to be able to push stuff to the front of the bed, and sometimes you need a place to sit. How bout the watertight in bed storage. Again who would really turn that down. Besides the people who so strongly believe in not buying something soley for the fact its owned by a Japanese company. Now comes Toyota, the new Godzilla of the car/truck world. This is their third incarnation of a half ton truck, while I'll admit the T100 almost an utter failure, the first tundra tried to be a niche (somewhere between midsize and half ton) vehicle and worked to some extent. The new Tundra is off and running to possibly become the best half ton on the market. One of the features I love the most is the center console that will fit hanging file folders, as a contractor myself I would love to have that. Does this make it a good pickup, absolutely not. You add the 400hp V8, big brakes, big gears, you have something going. They have addressed many problems of the half-ton segment, well at least the problems of the Chevy half ton. One being the transmission 4l60e, the brakes classic chevy spongy feel and the rear axle the venerable 10 bolt w/ the ticking timebomb known as the G80 locker. GM makes a wonderfully tough HD pickup (damn near bulletproof 4l80e and tough as nails 14 bolt. but refuse to build it in a half ton. While i If we took everything out of our lives that was either invented by or made significantly better by the Japanese, our homes would be nearly empty. Remeber the Japanese have only been making half tons for 3 years now. The domestics for nearly half a century. Im not saying anyone should dump their current pickup and go out and buy one of these new ones, Im just saying be open to new and INNOVATIVE ideas.

I was looking at the Tundra and Chevy webpage.. and to tell you the truth BigBadram51, Chevy is right there with most of the options that the Tundra is offering.. Also note that the Tundra is about $3-5k more than the chevy.

I thought this thread was finally dead but guess not.
Guess again. It is now. You can thank n8zdogg for resurrecting it after it being quiet for 19 months. You can tell who has and who has not read the Community Guidelines that everybody has to agree to follow when they sign up.
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