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Rim question


the_game_rock
01-24-2006, 10:31 AM
im get 17s do I need any wheel spacers or anything else to get them on or do they bolt on and run fine?

neon_rt
01-24-2006, 11:21 AM
If you get ones made for the Neon, they will fit properly.
I hope you realize that 17" wheels on a Neon are for show and not go.
They will slow you down a lot b/c for every pound of rotating weight you add to the wheel/tire it is equivelant to 4 pounds of dead weight. Going from the 14" factory alloy to 17" wheels can add 20 lbs to each corner (4) and at a multiple of 4 for rotating weight, you have just added an equivelant of 320lbs, this will not only slow you down, it will put extra strain on your brakes. Usually you would use the lightest wheel/tire combination to get the job done, 17" wheels are over kill for any Neon, even the SRT-4. The SRT-4 ACR (Auto Club Racer) model with the improved racing suspension comes with 16" wheels rather than the 17" 's that come on the standard SRT-4.

the_game_rock
01-24-2006, 11:31 AM
will 16s grip really good? Long as they are 40mm offset will they fit?

das2123
01-24-2006, 12:44 PM
will 16s grip really good? Long as they are 40mm offset will they fit?Here are some common tire size replacements...
195/60-14
205/60-14
195/55-15
205/50-15
215/50-15
205/45-16
215/45-16
205/40-17
215/35-18

You can run 16" tires, but try and keep the offset between 38-40mm. I think the best rim size and tire combo is 15x7" wheels with 205/50-15" tires.

neon_rt
01-24-2006, 02:30 PM
I agree with DAS2123 on the 15" wheel and tire size, 6.5" wide wheels would be acceptable. I usually only use OEM (long list of reasons, if you ask I will tell). I would look for a set of 15" alloy from a newer Neon or 4-door Stratus (not the 2-door, different pattern, Mitsubishi crap car IMO).
On my '98 R/T I used the factory R/T 14" Rims with 205/60 -14 Tires.

the_game_rock
01-25-2006, 02:38 PM
I agree with DAS2123 on the 15" wheel and tire size, 6.5" wide wheels would be acceptable. I usually only use OEM (long list of reasons, if you ask I will tell). I would look for a set of 15" alloy from a newer Neon or 4-door Stratus (not the 2-door, different pattern, Mitsubishi crap car IMO).
On my '98 R/T I used the factory R/T 14" Rims with 205/60 -14 Tires.
I think im going to get some 17s. how do you know what kind of tire to get ex. 215 85 17 or 225 85 17 I just made these up so you understand what im talking about

das2123
01-25-2006, 03:26 PM
I think im going to get some 17s. how do you know what kind of tire to get ex. 215 85 17 or 225 85 17 I just made these up so you understand what im talking aboutGo with the 205-40-17's. That will keep your speedometer close to where it should be.

the_game_rock
01-25-2006, 04:01 PM
Go with the 205-40-17's. That will keep your speedometer close to where it should be.
Hey das2123 whats your opinion on gets 17s on a neon? would it slow it down much? how good of grip would it be?

das2123
01-25-2006, 08:32 PM
Hey das2123 whats your opinion on gets 17s on a neon? would it slow it down much? how good of grip would it be?I like the way they look, but yes it will hurt your acceleration. Depends on if you want to sacrifice looks for performance. A 17" tire won't grip any better than a 16", but it depends on the tire. Like I said before a 15x7 inch rim is a great rim for the neon for handling. The above 17" combo would look nice, could give you better gas milage, but will affect performance. Will it be that noticable? Probably not unless you get some gawd awful heavy chrome rims.

TEXSRT4
01-25-2006, 10:19 PM
neon rt, 17s arnt overkill on the srt. because of the sidewall height on the srt, an 18 actually handles better. a 50series tire is huge. there is a ton of flex to that, my 40 series is significantly better with the 18s

the_game_rock
01-26-2006, 09:39 AM
I like the way they look, but yes it will hurt your acceleration. Depends on if you want to sacrifice looks for performance. A 17" tire won't grip any better than a 16", but it depends on the tire. Like I said before a 15x7 inch rim is a great rim for the neon for handling. The above 17" combo would look nice, could give you better gas milage, but will affect performance. Will it be that noticable? Probably not unless you get some gawd awful heavy chrome rims.
I found some rims I want but they have a offset of 48 could I get those?

das2123
01-26-2006, 10:10 AM
I found some rims I want but they have a offset of 48 could I get those?No! Going with anything higher than 40mm means that you are making the track of the car narrower by moving the tires further inboard.

the_game_rock
01-26-2006, 11:25 AM
No! Going with anything higher than 40mm means that you are making the track of the car narrower by moving the tires further inboard.
so whats the lowest I can go?

neon_rt
01-26-2006, 11:45 AM
I would think that if 18's were better, the SRT-4 ACR would have came with them instead of 16's. In the reviews that I have seen, the ACR handled way better then the standard SRT-4. Most of it I would think was suspension upgrade, but why the 16's unless they worked better. It would have been easier to use the 17's that already came with the SRT-4 if they got the results they wanted.

das2123
01-26-2006, 12:30 PM
so whats the lowest I can go?Keep the offset in the 35mm to 42mm range.

neon_rt
01-26-2006, 01:06 PM
If you change the offset, you will also change the scrub radius, on a fwd car the SR it very important to the driveablily and handling of the car.
Stay as close as you can to the OEM spec for offset, make sure the hub size is correct for your application. Even thought the bolt pattern may be correct, the hub size may not be. Neons are hub-centric, the weight is supported by the center hub and not the lug bolts. If you get a universal fit wheel and center hub cutout is not right (or the adapter is not good quality), you can potentially have some big problems, including the center section of the wheels cracking or breaking, leading to your wheels suddenly coming off (I've seen this, makes for a real bad day). Be Fast, Be Safe!

TEXSRT4
01-26-2006, 04:20 PM
I would think that if 18's were better, the SRT-4 ACR would have came with them instead of 16's. In the reviews that I have seen, the ACR handled way better then the standard SRT-4. Most of it I would think was suspension upgrade, but why the 16's unless they worked better. It would have been easier to use the 17's that already came with the SRT-4 if they got the results they wanted.

factory doesnt mean better. the acr doesnt handle way better than the factory srt, just better. that comes in from the adjustable struts, a larger rear swaybar and a bit of camber (remember the srt comes with 0* of camber!). dodge runs 16s on the acr because of the overall final drive ratio. the tire/wheel combo is shorter in overall height. the ACR is an autocross designed car, the shorter gear ration caused by the shorter tire allows for slightly better accelaration out of the hole. if you were to throw on the 16s from teh acr on the srt and run the proper size tire you would decrease performance because of sidewall flex. if you run stock ACR tires on the srt, you will throw off the speedo. and performance will not increase. trust me on this one, we have done it

neon_rt
01-26-2006, 04:31 PM
I will trust you on the SRT-4 info, however referring back to the original post, I still maintain that 15's on a first Gen Neon gives the best overall performance (handling/acceleration) compromise, 16's are getting too big and 17's are only good for looking at.

TEXSRT4
01-26-2006, 04:54 PM
cant argue with that, even though i LOVE to argue, your probably dead on

HPNOTIQracing
02-09-2006, 05:23 PM
hell im slapping some srt wheels on my 98 rt. not many have it around here and it looks nice as hell.

the_game_rock
02-09-2006, 10:51 PM
hell im slapping some srt wheels on my 98 rt. not many have it around here and it looks nice as hell.
this is what I bought http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/17-ADR-PHANTOM-WHEELS-RIMS-CIVIC-INTEGRA-ACCORD-XA-XB_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43957QQitemZ80368611 40QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW ill post some pics when I get them on

das2123
02-09-2006, 11:44 PM
hell im slapping some srt wheels on my 98 rt. not many have it around here and it looks nice as hell.They look nice and it seems that is what alot of first gen neons are doing.

this is what I bought http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/17-ADR-PHANTOM-WHEELS-RIMS-CIVIC-INTEGRA-ACCORD-XA-XB_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43957QQitemZ80368611 40QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW ill post some pics when I get them onThose won't fit the neon. The neon bolt pattern is 5x100, not 8x100!

the_game_rock
02-10-2006, 06:20 AM
They look nice and it seems that is what alot of first gen neons are doing.

Those won't fit the neon. The neon bolt pattern is 5x100, not 8x100!
I didnt get those exact ones I got the right bolt pattern I went to have the tires balenced and mounted but nobody had the right lug nuts I need so I have to wait till saterday for them to come in

cl1006
03-15-2006, 09:16 AM
Personally I Wouldnt Go With The 17"s I Would Go With 15 Or 16. The 17"'s Will Slow Down Your Excelleration A Bit

the_game_rock
03-15-2006, 01:40 PM
Personally I Wouldnt Go With The 17"s I Would Go With 15 Or 16. The 17"'s Will Slow Down Your Excelleration A Bit
They didnt slow my neon down very much

das2123
03-16-2006, 08:57 AM
They didnt slow my neon down very muchRun the 1/4 mile on the stock 14's and then run it with the 17's and see what your times are :wink:

neon_rt
03-16-2006, 12:28 PM
What's cool about 17's is that Neon brakes are small and not only does looking at those little biscuits through those 17" rims look cool, everyone knows that you spend a lot more time at the brake shop than they do. Actually, the other cool thing to me is, that you are going to be spending a lot more time at the stop light when it turns green than I do.

maykelcj
03-16-2006, 10:39 PM
What's cool about 17's is that Neon brakes are small and not only does looking at those little biscuits through those 17" rims look cool, everyone knows that you spend a lot more time at the brake shop than they do. Actually, the other cool thing to me is, that you are going to be spending a lot more time at the stop light when it turns green than I do.

:owned: true....

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